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SWITCH HITLER
Nov 11, 2009

eduardo please put that down

this will only end in tears


zakharov posted:

Looked to me like he was posting a direct quote, hence the quotation marks.

gently caress, missed one of his posts that kind of gave it proper context

Sorry dude!

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Meat Recital
Mar 26, 2009

the first cut
is the deepest


How did Pedro Martinez not win the Cy Young in 2001? His ERA+ was like 60 points ahead of the winner.

jeffersonlives
Jul 22, 2007

But I set fire to the Raines
Watched it pour as I stole your base


Meat Recital posted:

How did Pedro Martinez not win the Cy Young in 2001? His ERA+ was like 60 points ahead of the winner.

He was hurt and missed half the season. Mussina deserved it but Clemens got it based on wins.

Toffile
Sep 10, 2008

   'Cause she's so high
      High above me,
       she's so lovely

                - Everclear

Meat Recital posted:

How did Pedro Martinez not win the Cy Young in 2001? His ERA+ was like 60 points ahead of the winner in 100 fewer innings and 15 fewer starts.

Generally people don't win the Cy Young or MVP if they miss half a season.

Corgan
Feb 27, 2008


Meat Recital posted:

How did Pedro Martinez not win the Cy Young in 2001? His ERA+ was like 60 points ahead of the winner.

More like how did he not win MVP in 1999?

Toffile
Sep 10, 2008

   'Cause she's so high
      High above me,
       she's so lovely

                - Everclear

Corgan posted:

More like how did he not win MVP in 1999?

Because people hate voting pitchers for MVP (since pitchers have the Cy Young) and Pudge had a really great year. Even more so because he was a catcher.

It's not like he didn't come close, but I'd imagine those are the two factors that probably tipped it over.

leokitty
Apr 5, 2005

Well I had to phone his friend to state my case, and say he's lost control again.

And he showed up all the errors and mistakes, and said I've lost control again.

Jeter had a much better case for MVP than Rodriguez, who won because the vote got split a bunch of ways.

Back in those days it was weird and when Texas made the playoffs someone from their team won MVP. That's how Gonzalez got two.

The 99 MVP is one of the worst I can remember, really. I think only the Gonzalez ones irk me more.

MourningView
Sep 2, 2006


Dunk a l'Orange


Toffile posted:

Because people hate voting pitchers for MVP (since pitchers have the Cy Young) and Pudge had a really great year. Even more so because he was a catcher.

It's not like he didn't come close, but I'd imagine those are the two factors that probably tipped it over.

The dumbest part was that one of the guys who left him off the ballot completely had voted for loving David Wells the year before, so it wasn't even that he thought pitchers shouldn't get MVP votes.

ThatsMyBoye
Nov 21, 2006

I wish that I believed in fate
I wish I didn't sleep so late
I used to be carried in the arms of cheerleaders


Meat Recital posted:

How did Pedro Martinez not win the Cy Young in 2001? His ERA+ was like 60 points ahead of the winner.

Also, ERA+ is basically a ratio, not cumulative. Having a better one (or OPS+ if you're a hitter) in less time doesn't affect its value or impact.

Kimasu v2.0
Jan 19, 2001
Forum Veteran

De Nomolos posted:

I've been following baseball since I was old enough to read baseball cards. I've been a tepid Yankee fan all my life, but now that I live not far from DC, I've become a Nats fan, more so than I was ever a Yanks fan (by birthright, really). I've also made a new friend that has me researching actually becoming a Fantasy nut (rather than an observer). This girl that I know is, actually, related to Bill James. Oh, and i have a cousin in the Mariners system now, too. My questions are for a longtime fan (5-6 games a year) transitioning into the Fantasy world:

- what do you think of James?
- aside from Baseball Prospectus (which I already visit) what are some good fantasy podcasts?
- what are your favorite all-around fantasy sites?

I didn't see anyone reply to this comment, but I would be interested in reading what people here have to say. I just became a baseball fan midway through last season and I am interested in playing fantasy baseball this year. I wanted to make a post about being a fantasy baseball newbie, and wasn't sure if this thread was the best place or if I should try over in The Armchair Quarterback.

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009



Armchair QB has had an active fantasy baseball thread for the past few years. It will most likely start up soon if it hasn't already.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Boston is a cool place to visit as a tourist and Fenway is charming*. Boston is also close enough to the UK that flights are competitive (BA, Virgin, AA, Delta). I've done the reverse as a four-day weekend + 1 travel day.


*a raging shithole

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Kimasu v2.0 posted:

I didn't see anyone reply to this comment, but I would be interested in reading what people here have to say. I just became a baseball fan midway through last season and I am interested in playing fantasy baseball this year. I wanted to make a post about being a fantasy baseball newbie, and wasn't sure if this thread was the best place or if I should try over in The Armchair Quarterback.

I love both baseball And spergin and fantasy baseball is too much baseball and too much spergin even for me. My most recent strategy was draft, set and forget unless someone goes on DL, and win leagues with friends/colleagues and that was when I realized it wasn't fun anymore.

Anyway, if you're a true baller you'll play a linear weights league

tadashi
Feb 20, 2006



Kimasu v2.0 posted:

I didn't see anyone reply to this comment, but I would be interested in reading what people here have to say. I just became a baseball fan midway through last season and I am interested in playing fantasy baseball this year. I wanted to make a post about being a fantasy baseball newbie, and wasn't sure if this thread was the best place or if I should try over in The Armchair Quarterback.

There should be a mega-thread in addition to the individual league threads in Armchair Quarterback. Fangraphs has a lot of fantasy content as does hardballtimes.com.

Kimasu v2.0
Jan 19, 2001
Forum Veteran

tadashi posted:

There should be a mega-thread in addition to the individual league threads in Armchair Quarterback. Fangraphs has a lot of fantasy content as does hardballtimes.com.

Thanks for the links. I'll keep an eye on the other forum. I just hate when I go to sign up for fantasy leagues, realize I'm late so all the good leagues are filled, and then get stuck in a leftover league where half of the owners stop paying attention one month in.

Elitist Bitch
Sep 13, 2007

You can do it, we can help.


Well, I read the whole thread and I still had a question: What exactly is meant by a "N/V thread"?

All my other questions and then some were answered by the rest of the thread, so thanks!

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Elitist Bitch posted:

Well, I read the whole thread and I still had a question: What exactly is meant by a "N/V thread"?

All my other questions and then some were answered by the rest of the thread, so thanks!

news/views, which contains general news and views vs. other threads, which tend to be for specific events or purposes: like this one, the barry bonds thread, the predictions thread etc

Elitist Bitch
Sep 13, 2007

You can do it, we can help.


KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

news/views, which contains general news and views vs. other threads, which tend to be for specific events or purposes: like this one, the barry bonds thread, the predictions thread etc

Thanks! Also, I've seen a lot of posts about how great Target Field is...honestly compared to Safeco Field it seems awful. Has anyone else been to both parks? Is there something that makes for better baseball at Target Field? I've only seen games at those two parks so it's hard for me to compare.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



it's a contrast thing. the metrodome was atrocious and target field is a pretty normal new ballpark by all accounts (I have not had the misfortune of seeing the Twins play live base ball for many moons)

When comparing to Safeco, it's important to note that you're using one of the nicer parks in the league as a reference point. I think I'd put Safeco somewhere in the top 10 in terms of actually nice baseball stadia

Hipster_Doofus
Dec 20, 2003

Lovin' every minute of it.

Elitist Bitch posted:

Thanks! Also, I've seen a lot of posts about how great Target Field is...honestly compared to Safeco Field it seems awful. Has anyone else been to both parks? Is there something that makes for better baseball at Target Field? I've only seen games at those two parks so it's hard for me to compare.

What exactly about Target Field seems awful? What's great about Safeco that's not great or entirely lacking at Target? I reckon you found nothing great about Target which Safeco lacks. I'm really curious about this stuff, being a recent convert to baseball and having only been to Target so far, so I have even less of a reference point than you. Having said that, I've been to the Metrodome (for non-baseball things) and it truly is an awful place in general imo, and I've watched a lot of '87 and '91 clips of the WS in there and that looks even worse than the Metrodome does in person.

Capt. Sticl
Jul 24, 2002
TABERNAK!

Hipster_Doofus posted:

What's great about Safeco that's not great or entirely lacking at Target?

loving Sushi. There is no greater thing than eating sushi and watching live baseball. Although, eating clam chowder from a bread bowl in San Fran is close.

Hipster_Doofus
Dec 20, 2003

Lovin' every minute of it.

Capt. Sticl posted:

loving Sushi. There is no greater thing than eating sushi and watching live baseball. Although, eating clam chowder from a bread bowl in San Fran is close.

Daaaamn, and here I thought our food options were pretty swank. (loving Murray's steak sandwich hell yeah, but that's no sushi.)

screaden
Apr 8, 2009


So I'm thinking about possibly maybe following some MLB. I used to play as a kid and really enjoyed it but sort of fell out of touch with the game after awhile.

The main thing is, I'm in Australia, and I don't have pay TV, and the free-to-air channel only plays games very randomly throughout the year, however I think it mostly covers the World Series, so I was wondering what my options were about watching games, I've heard mixed things about MLB.tv and I don't quite understand the whole blackout thing either.

Also, is there some sort of team breakdown like the NBA thread? I don't know much about the american teams

tadashi
Feb 20, 2006



screaden posted:

So I'm thinking about possibly maybe following some MLB. I used to play as a kid and really enjoyed it but sort of fell out of touch with the game after awhile.

The main thing is, I'm in Australia, and I don't have pay TV, and the free-to-air channel only plays games very randomly throughout the year, however I think it mostly covers the World Series, so I was wondering what my options were about watching games, I've heard mixed things about MLB.tv and I don't quite understand the whole blackout thing either.

Also, is there some sort of team breakdown like the NBA thread? I don't know much about the american teams

There isn't one right now, but this flowchart is pretty neat

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William T. Hornaday
Nov 26, 2007

Don't tap on the fucking glass!
I swear to god I'll cut off your fucking fingers and feed them to the otters for enrichment.


MLB.TV is great. Blackout restrictions only pertain to those of us living in the US, which means that in Australia you can watch any game you want and not have to worry about any of it. Don't follow the Angels because, well, gently caress the Angels.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



as a furriner, you won't be blacked out of MLB.tv games at all, I don't think.

You can go in on a group buy of MLB.tv and it costs 20 bucks I think. Preseason always has a group buy thread.

There was formerly a Talk about Your Team thread which might help you out.

I will make you a special post about my least favorite favorite team, the Boston Red Sox, and their glorious* history.

Act 1 in which a band of ragamuffins rises to improbable prominence; or: money really does buy titles
The Red Sox were named/formed out of a variety of early baseball teams with Red Stockings in their name. I think the official start date of the Sox name is 1907/8. Anyway, this was probably the best time to be a Red Sox fan: the color pink was not yet acceptable to wear on hats, and they won four titles in fifteen years.

Then some poo poo happened, a guy name babe ruth got traded for money to finance a broadway show and the rest of the team got old. Joe Cronin, famous player-manager, turned in to even more of a dick and didn't bench himself due to being old, which he should have.

Act 2 in which we decide four championships is sufficient; or: The Curse of the Bambino
Anyway after they traded Babe Ruth the team didn't win a WS for a real long time. This was good because New Englanders are at heart masochists who can't handle praise or success without turning in to monsters(see: current Patriots fans). Since sports fans are by nature superstitious retards, they began to believe that the team was Cursed, despite some tremendously good teams in the 1930s and 40s, and a couple of good runs in essentially every decade except the 50s. The issue was that they lost on improbable bullshit such as the Enos Slaughter thing in 46 and the Bucky loving Dent thing and Buckner and Grady Little and all sorts of stuff. You're not going to be a Red Sox fan anyway so you don't really need to know this.

Act 3 in which the curse is reversed; or: Red Sox more like Pink Sox am i right
In the early 2000s the Red Sox were sold away from a group of tremendously rich but fundamentally stupid people to a group of tremendously rich, less stupid people who were in MLBs good graces. This was very shady but Red Sox fans ignore this because WORLD SERIES. Sometime in the late 1990s the rivalry with the Yankees sort of reignited after being dormant for a couple decades because finally both teams were good at the same time. Ask your average Sox fan and the rivalry has been around since John Winthrop set foot in Massachusetts, but yeah that's not true at all. Anyway, shortly thereafter they lost a terrible million inning ALCS to the Yankees because of stupidity and Aaron loving Boone. Red Sox fans everywhere killed themselves (i wish). Then they won a WS the next year against the Cardinals who were probably a way better team. Just to prove it wasn't a fluke they crushed Rocktober in 2007 like it was Poland in September.

The team has been fundamentally competitive due to an intelligent draft strategy and also spending shitloads of money in the arms race that is the AL East. However, the long time GM smart man in charge, Theo Epstein, is now trying to save the Cubs and become the most famous GM of all time and his replacement so far is a big ole retard it sure seems like.

Why you should root for the Red Sox
Fenway Park is a hovel, built in 1912 and showing its age, but it's right in the center of the city and is Historic or whatever.

The team is good, and competitive. There's lots of Glorious History if you are in to that.

you should root for the red sox if you love hating your fellow man/fan, you like success but don't cravenly want to be a yankees fan and feed off of other people's undying hatred

also if you like getting shot in the eye with pepper spray rounds and dying

edit: or you hate when the letter r occurs in the middle of a word

KYOON GRIFFEY JR fucked around with this message at Jan 31, 2012 around 14:52

leokitty
Apr 5, 2005

Well I had to phone his friend to state my case, and say he's lost control again.

And he showed up all the errors and mistakes, and said I've lost control again.

The Red Sox are the worst do not root for the Red Sox.

ManifunkDestiny
Aug 2, 2005

King


screaden posted:

So I'm thinking about possibly maybe following some MLB. I used to play as a kid and really enjoyed it but sort of fell out of touch with the game after awhile.

The main thing is, I'm in Australia, and I don't have pay TV, and the free-to-air channel only plays games very randomly throughout the year, however I think it mostly covers the World Series, so I was wondering what my options were about watching games, I've heard mixed things about MLB.tv and I don't quite understand the whole blackout thing either.

Also, is there some sort of team breakdown like the NBA thread? I don't know much about the american teams

A few questions:
1. Do you prefer excellent pitching, or hella offense?
2. Do you care about defense? Howsabout the bullpen?
3. Would you rather watch a lot of young guys grow and develop, with less chance for success, or a watch of proven veterans fighting for the World Series?
4. How important is watching a winning team RIGHT NOW to you?
5. Do you think pitchers should hit, or that designated hitters are awesome?
6. Do you care how baseball fans in general perceive fans of the team you choose to follow?

Toffile
Sep 10, 2008

   'Cause she's so high
      High above me,
       she's so lovely

                - Everclear

screaden posted:

So I'm thinking about possibly maybe following some MLB. I used to play as a kid and really enjoyed it but sort of fell out of touch with the game after awhile.

The main thing is, I'm in Australia, and I don't have pay TV, and the free-to-air channel only plays games very randomly throughout the year, however I think it mostly covers the World Series, so I was wondering what my options were about watching games, I've heard mixed things about MLB.tv and I don't quite understand the whole blackout thing either.

Also, is there some sort of team breakdown like the NBA thread? I don't know much about the american teams

The blackout rules are bullshit that is meant to drum up television ratings. Basically every team is entitled to broadcast rights in a certain geographic region in the country. For example, Boston has the entirety of New England, both New York teams share basically the entirety of the state plus Connecticut and northern New Jersey. Generally those areas encapsulate the majority of a team's fanbase.

So those teams then sell off the local broadcast rights to a network or two and if a person lives in the coverage area, they must be forced to watch the game on that network. If for some reason the game was on both ESPN and the local network, the ESPN feed would be blacked out.

There are some exceptions, ESPN, Fox, (and I guess TBS now) all carry national games. National games are exempt from being broadcast on local channels.

For whatever reason, they decided that MLB.tv had to have the same rules for blackouts that the traditional media had. Also since you live in Australia, you should know that there is absolutely no blackout market for Australia and you'd be free to watch what you want.

(Also gently caress the Angels and don't let KYOON GRIFFEY fool you about the Red Sox)

tadashi
Feb 20, 2006



As much as I like the SAS MLB posters, we rarely put together unified and nice-looking mega-threads like the NBA Meet the Team thread or the 2012 AFL preview thread. The 2012 community projections thread used about 5 different templates for team projections with some people making projections about just the starting players and rotations while others did the entire 25-man roster. Maybe this is just the result of baseball of baseball being a complicated sport with complicated fans.

Also, from the MLB N/V thread OP:

Carlton Banks posted:

30 second primer to prepare yourself to become an SAS baseball fan:
-gently caress the Angels
-gently caress the Yankees and Red Sox
-nuke Wrigley Field

tadashi fucked around with this message at Jan 31, 2012 around 16:33

Badfinger
Dec 16, 2004

Timeouts?!

We'll take care of that.


tadashi posted:

As much as I like the SAS MLB posters, we rarely put together unified and nice-looking mega-threads like the NBA Meet the Team thread or the 2012 AFL preview thread. The 2012 community projections thread used about 5 different templates for team projections with some people making projections about just the starting players and rotations while others did the entire 25-man roster. Maybe this is just the result of baseball of baseball being a complicated sport with complicated fans.

That's because baseball teams are twice the size of basketball teams, use ~20 of the players regularly as opposed to 8 or 9, and have a billion different stats and a wildly fractured stat community. Even if you don't buy into PER and Points per possession for basketball, there's only one set of fallbacks and they're rate stats per game. Rating the players by WAR, people were using different WAR calculations.

It's dumb (by which I mean it's great).


RE: MLB.TV - keep an eye out here over the next month and there will be a thread all about MLB.TV and how it can benefit you.

LtTennisBall
Apr 5, 2009


KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

Fenway Park is a hovel, built in 1912 and showing its age, but it's right in the center of the city and is Historic or whatever.

To kinda go along with this, I go to school in Boston and am (painfully) an Orioles fan. I'd like to go see the O's play the Red Sox when we come up here in May. Any recommendation on what kinda seats/tickets to get? The cheapest seem to be something like 28 bucks, but I have no idea if those seats are terrible. I don't need like AMAZING SEATS or whatever but I'd like to be close enough to see Mark Reynolds make errors and stuff.

leokitty
Apr 5, 2005

Well I had to phone his friend to state my case, and say he's lost control again.

And he showed up all the errors and mistakes, and said I've lost control again.

I think the $28 seats are the "Upper Bleachers", but I've never been to Fenway. Just sat in the Virtual Waiting Room for three straight days to get tickets as a present for someone.

LtTennisBall
Apr 5, 2009


leokitty posted:

I think the $28 seats are the "Upper Bleachers", but I've never been to Fenway. Just sat in the Virtual Waiting Room for three straight days to get tickets as a present for someone.

yeah I'm kinda used to Camden Yards where you can walk up and get good seats, so I really have no idea how to approach this. I'm assuming I should just buy them way in advance but I'll wait for a Red Sox fan to weigh in I guess.

tadashi
Feb 20, 2006



Badfinger posted:

That's because baseball teams are twice the size of basketball teams, use ~20 of the players regularly as opposed to 8 or 9, and have a billion different stats and a wildly fractured stat community. Even if you don't buy into PER and Points per possession for basketball, there's only one set of fallbacks and they're rate stats per game. Rating the players by WAR, people were using different WAR calculations.

It's dumb (by which I mean it's great).

I liked the projection thread, it just seems that history teaches us that we shouldn't wait around expecting SAS baseball threads that resemble other sports threads. It's difficult to concisely explain all the reasons why there are four different teams who could win the NL East in 2012 for example.

tadashi fucked around with this message at Jan 31, 2012 around 19:45

Toffile
Sep 10, 2008

   'Cause she's so high
      High above me,
       she's so lovely

                - Everclear

Someone made a projection for the Nats to win the NL East this year?

tadashi
Feb 20, 2006



Toffile posted:

Someone made a projection for the Nats to win the NL East this year?

I'd say it could happen but it's pretty far from likely. The Braves, Phillies, and Marlins all have key players with dicey injury histories.

Monicro
Oct 21, 2010

My wiener has never been so exhausted.

tadashi posted:

As much as I like the SAS MLB posters, we rarely put together unified and nice-looking mega-threads like the NBA Meet the Team thread

I was actually gonna do this once spring training rolled around

barkingclam
Jun 20, 2007


Does anyone know how mlb.tv blackouts work in Canada? I assume all Jays games are blacked out, but what about games on TBS or ESPN, neither of which are available up here?

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barkingclam posted:

Does anyone know how mlb.tv blackouts work in Canada? I assume all Jays games are blacked out, but what about games on TBS or ESPN, neither of which are available up here?

I'm pretty sure blackouts work the same there which means you'll be blacked out of ESPN games. I think TBS only does poo poo for the playoffs now, which of course are blacked out. Proxies are ridiculously easy to use so you shouldn't have to worry about not being able to watch a game. I check MLB.TV every day to see if the packages for 2012 are out yet, and they aren't.

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