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zakharov
Nov 30, 2002

Control the source of dingers,
and you control the universe

I had to explain baseball to a couple of Icelanders who had never seen the game, and I found it was easy to explain as you watched. It begins to make intuitive sense after awhile.

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zakharov
Nov 30, 2002

Control the source of dingers,
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DONT READ THIS POST posted:

Counterpoint

http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=2935802

gently caress the Astros forever

zakharov
Nov 30, 2002

Control the source of dingers,
and you control the universe

OPS+ is adjusted for the ballpark. 100 is average. 111 is just fine for a young guy with plenty of time to develop. I'd be optimistic.

zakharov
Nov 30, 2002

Control the source of dingers,
and you control the universe

I've always enjoyed the Oakland radio team whenever they play the Yanks.

zakharov
Nov 30, 2002

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and you control the universe

I was under the impression that all runs after a 2-out error are unearned

zakharov
Nov 30, 2002

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I'm reading a book about that season right now, and it's pretty good. It's called "59 in '84."

Keep in mind that it was a very different game. Teams usually carried two pitchers, and they were expected to complete the game barring grievous injury. Foul balls didn't count as strikes, there were six balls to a walk, and pitchers threw from flat ground 50 feet from the plate. They also only used one ball for the entire game, and hitting a batter didn't award them first base.

And yeah, Old Hoss once pitched 3 complete games in 2 days. It's amazing he died with his arm still attached.

zakharov
Nov 30, 2002

Control the source of dingers,
and you control the universe

The broken bones posted:

Wasn't 1884 also the first year pitchers began throwing overhand?

Only in the National League!

zakharov
Nov 30, 2002

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JediGandalf posted:

How come MLB has pretty much done away with double-headers? Financial reasons?

Players, managers, and owners all hate them.

zakharov
Nov 30, 2002

Control the source of dingers,
and you control the universe

wrong thread

zakharov
Nov 30, 2002

Control the source of dingers,
and you control the universe

BIZORT posted:

I still don't fully understand how the batter can run to first base if the ball bounces in front of the plate. If, with 2 outs, batter x swings at strike 3 but it bounces and he reaches first base running, does it count as an out? I never understood that. What is the origin of this rule? There must be a story behind it

edit: When I was in little league, I knew you could do this but I didn't know what circumstances you could just run to first base like that so my coach looked at me like I was retarded when I asked if I could steal first

It doesn't count as an out, but it does count as a strikeout for the pitcher. A few pitchers have recorded four k's in an inning.

zakharov
Nov 30, 2002

Control the source of dingers,
and you control the universe

What's exciting to you? Lots of runs? Shutdown pitching? If you like runs, I'd honestly recommend the Yankees who are currently hitting dingers at an absurd pace.

zakharov
Nov 30, 2002

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and you control the universe

Forget the advanced stats for a while. Sit down and watch a game with someone who knows the game. Ask questions.

zakharov
Nov 30, 2002

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and you control the universe

Traxis posted:

I'd also recommend reading Baseball Between the Numbers.

Bad idea for a new fan. It's very dense, and wouldn't make any sense if you're just learning the game.

zakharov
Nov 30, 2002

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and you control the universe

Batui posted:

I was watching the Red Sox game yesterday and saw one of the players get doubled up because he ran from first to second on a caught fly ball and didn't retag second base. It made me realize that I didn't know all the ins and outs of baserunning and when it's a force out and when a tag has to be applied. Like if its always a force out for a baserunner when a fly ball is caught and the baserunner has yet to tag up, and how an unassisted triple play can happen.

It's a force if a caught ball reaches a player's base before he tags up. Pretty simple.

An unassisted triple play is rare, but not because it's hard to do. It just requires lots of luck. Almost every UTP has taken the following form:

Runners on 1st and 2nd, we'll call them Runner 1 and Runner 2
No outs (duh)
Hit and run is on
Batter lines out to an infielder (1 out)
Infielder steps on second to force out Runner 2 (2 out)
Infielder tags Runner 1 (3 out)

zakharov
Nov 30, 2002

Control the source of dingers,
and you control the universe

Does grandstand=upper deck? I'd get a seat down one of the lines if you want to see pitching actions. Behind the plate gives you the best view of the field though.

zakharov
Nov 30, 2002

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and you control the universe

Yankees fans were the original angel haters

zakharov
Nov 30, 2002

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and you control the universe

Imasalmon posted:

I am an Astros season ticket holder. I promise you that no team is worse than the Astros.

You're missing the joke

zakharov
Nov 30, 2002

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They are Dodger fans. They are exaggerating the ineptitude of the Giants to show their disdain for their team's historic rival. I will now demonstrate this technique: RED SOX SUCK

zakharov
Nov 30, 2002

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and you control the universe

One of the dudes on Deadspin's 100 worst players had an infinity ERA for a season. Gave up 7 runs, never recorded an out, never appeared again.

zakharov
Nov 30, 2002

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and you control the universe

Indentured servants would be more apt, seeing as they're making hundreds of thousands of dollars.

zakharov
Nov 30, 2002

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and you control the universe

The Blue Caboose posted:

Actually your average A-ball scrub is making approximately the same amount as your average Wal-Mart cashier. But yeah, after that, it starts growing pretty rapidly, and if you're in the majors you're guaranteed $414,000/yr.

You're right, I was thinking strictly MLB service.

zakharov
Nov 30, 2002

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and you control the universe

The broken bones posted:

hahaha i fuckin completely forgot about that

He's pitching for the Nippon Ham Fighters right now!

zakharov
Nov 30, 2002

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and you control the universe

LordPants posted:

Two questions, which have probably already been answered but whatever.

Situation A: bottom of the 11th, scores tied at 1-1. Bases loaded and the home team hits a dinger. Is the final score 1-2? (because the game ends when the player on third crosses right?) and how many RBIs does the batter get.

Situation B: two outs, runner on first. Runner breaks for second for some reason and gets caught. Does the batter get an AB charged? Is he first up next time his team is up to bat?

A) Assuming the batter successfully rounds the bases, the score would be 5-1. The one time this didn't happen was with the Mets in the 2000 playoffs. Robin Ventura hit a walkoff grand slam, but he was mobbed after touching first and couldn't advance. He was credited with a single and 1 RBI.

B) Nope, the batter gets no AB recorded and leads off the next inning.

zakharov
Nov 30, 2002

Control the source of dingers,
and you control the universe

Rays/A's, especially in Oakland, should be quite cheap. You can even get really cheap tickets to certain Yankee games. I've gone to games at the Stadium for less than ten bucks.

zakharov
Nov 30, 2002

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and you control the universe

DannoMack posted:

Why did my coaches from grade school through high school always tell us not to rub it when we got hit by a pitch?

It made you look weak.

zakharov
Nov 30, 2002

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Meat Recital posted:

This seems like as good a place as any of post this.

On a scale from Adam Dunn 2011 to Adam Dunn 2004, how disappointed am I going to be by the Moneyball movie? I remember they canned it years ago, but haven't heard anything since.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiAHlZVgXjk

zakharov
Nov 30, 2002

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and you control the universe

Mornacale posted:

I just want to brag that MY GIRLFRIEND and I saw this when we went to see 30 Minutes or Less, and before I could say anything afterward she told me "we have to see that."

I got a similar thing. Seriously dudes if you can't get a girl to a Brad Pitt movie just give up.

zakharov
Nov 30, 2002

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lloyol posted:

Relive your childhood memory: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVGGDBEFeP0


the music is so bad

edit: that's a balk right there

zakharov fucked around with this message at Aug 31, 2011 around 16:56

zakharov
Nov 30, 2002

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Hipster_Doofus posted:

Why do most games begin at x:05, x:10 or x:15, and even more oddly, x:07 for the postseason?

To give the tv broadcasts time to do their intros, and to cram in as many ads as possible.

zakharov
Nov 30, 2002

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Craptacular! posted:

Hi, I'm typically an NHL fan but I'm doing the traditional Bay Area bandwagoning of following one of our sports teams the season after they actually win something.

Do most ball clubs make a big deal of their old days, especially in another town, the way that the Giants continually bring up their history in New York? I would think normally if you mentioned New York baseball to any crowd in California you'd get boos. I know the Yankees and BoSox do. For the Giants, is it just because Willie Mays is still alive and kinda made it a dynasty?

Most hockey teams not named Maple Leafs or Canadiens generally keep their mouths shut about their history (even Edmonton is fully out of the Gretzky haze) so it's weird to hear baseball people talk about their olden days so much. I guess this is also why baseball always seems to get the most "walking historical fact book" types.


Baseball loves its history. That's why we make a bigger deal out of records than many other sports. Baseball has a special place as the oldest American sport, and it's a part of what makes the game special for a lot of people.

zakharov
Nov 30, 2002

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Hipster_Doofus posted:

Well, poo poo, that sure seems pretty obvious in retrospect.

But still, why x:07 for the postseason, or even anything earlier than x:10 for that matter?

Different networks have different preferences. Don't read too much into it; Yankees games have a listed 1/7:05 start but I've rarely seen them start before 1:10.

zakharov
Nov 30, 2002

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Qwertyiop25 posted:

Keeping the stat of "Runs" confuses me. Wouldn't players with better hitters behind them have a higher chance of scoring a run every time they got on base? Obviously players with a higher average or OBP also have a better chance at scoring runs but don't the players hitting after them have more of an effect?

Congrats on being smarter than lots of AL MVP voters this year.

zakharov
Nov 30, 2002

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Nerokerubina posted:

I couldn't think of any other hitter who could theoretically pitch. Zambrano? D-train? TPJ?

Nick Swisher

zakharov
Nov 30, 2002

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JediGandalf posted:

Game score? What is this manner of sorcery?

e: Shame on me for not going to first. Apparently it is yet-another-pitcher-metric. If I am to believe SSI, it's a crap stat yes/no?

Much like OPS, it's good for a quick and dirty evaluation but doesn't tell you that much.

zakharov
Nov 30, 2002

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Lungboy posted:

What would be the truly important stats to look at?

You realize this is pretty much The Question?

zakharov
Nov 30, 2002

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ManifunkDestiny posted:

All MLB merchandise profits go into a pool and distributed equally among the teams, so the whole "merchandise tour" doesn't hold water

Does that include autographed stuff that the Yankees sell through Steiner Sports?

zakharov
Nov 30, 2002

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weakness posted:

As a baseball lurker/newbie, I'm curious if the World Series or any playoff series has even been ended on a walk-off home run.

I've spent the past week daydreaming of a walkoff Nelson Cruz dinger in Game 7 to win the World Series.

Besides the video that Gobias posted, Bill Mazeroski hit a homer to win it for the Pirates in 1960.

zakharov
Nov 30, 2002

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Haha I didn't know they played Orioles Magic at the end of games.

zakharov
Nov 30, 2002

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I've never heard that term in my life.

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zakharov
Nov 30, 2002

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Internet Meme posted:

I've seen people use 'morris' as a verb to describe pitchers. Does it refer to Jim Morris' game-ending walk in 2000?

EDIT:

No, in that sense it'd probably refer to his 10 inning shutout in Game 7 of the 1991 series.

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