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Die Laughing
Sep 18, 2009

You engage the Mad Duck

SMAAAAASH!

Year One is also going to be an animated movie available October 18th.

You won't believe Batman: Year One and ASBAR are by the same person. Dark Knight Returns is also really great. If nothing else, you'll love it for the Superman fight. The word "epic" could be used without hyperbole.

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prefect
Sep 11, 2001

No one, Woodhouse.
No one.


Die Laughing posted:

Year One is also going to be an animated movie available October 18th.

You won't believe Batman: Year One and ASBAR are by the same person. Dark Knight Returns is also really great. If nothing else, you'll love it for the Superman fight. The word "epic" could be used without hyperbole.

The first issue of "Dark Knight Returns" was loving awesome. The rest of it was a disappointment to me, but I still haven't figured out if that's because the first issue was so good.

Black Lighter
Sep 6, 2010

The sight of it all makes me sad and ill.

horsepeen posted:

A friend of mine recommended I pick up Frank Miller's All-Star Batman to get a good look at the character's real personality

Who is this friend and why does he hate Batman?

Quantum of Phallus
Dec 27, 2010


prefect posted:

The first issue of "Dark Knight Returns" was loving awesome. The rest of it was a disappointment to me, but I still haven't figured out if that's because the first issue was so good.

I give DKR a read every few year, it was really good. ASBAR is a horrid piece of work.

Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003

He's AWESOME!


Black Lighter posted:

Who is this friend and why does he hate Batman?
ASBAR owns.

Cadavers4Algernon
Feb 4, 2006

No, I don't want to play "Conversation Parade".


Endless Mike posted:

ASBAR owns.

But not a good depiction of how Batman is as a character outside of its own universe.

FAT BATMAN
Dec 11, 2009


I recently fell in love and ended up completely reading all of The Immortal Iron Fist. That guy, and all the surrounding lore and characters, are loving awesome.
So I want more of that awesome streetfighting mystical kung-fu stuff, right? I've heard that the thing Iron Fist is best known for is teaming up with Luke Cage as part of some team called Heroes For Hire. Is there a collection of stories about them, or somewhere to start?

Also, are there any especially awesome trade paperbacks of Doctor Strange stories? I read The Oath once and thought it was a complete blast.

I'm really glad both Iron Fist and Dr. Strange are in Ultimate MvC3.

prefect
Sep 11, 2001

No one, Woodhouse.
No one.


FAT BATMAN posted:

I recently fell in love and ended up completely reading all of The Immortal Iron Fist. That guy, and all the surrounding lore and characters, are loving awesome.
So I want more of that awesome streetfighting mystical kung-fu stuff, right? I've heard that the thing Iron Fist is best known for is teaming up with Luke Cage as part of some team called Heroes For Hire. Is there a collection of stories about them, or somewhere to start?

Also, are there any especially awesome trade paperbacks of Doctor Strange stories? I read The Oath once and thought it was a complete blast.

I'm really glad both Iron Fist and Dr. Strange are in Ultimate MvC3.

Iron Fist was an okay character before "The Immortal Iron Fist" stuff, so you may be disappointed. He's orders of magnitude more awesome than he used to be.

Probably the best trade paperback involving Doctor Strange is "Doctor Strange and Doctor Doom: Triumph and Torment", which is really more about Doctor Doom. "The Oath" is a good recent trade for the Doc, and "A Separate Reality" is a good trade of older stuff. There are "Marvel Masterworks" editions of the early Ditko-drawn stuff, and those are awesome if you like Ditko.

Big Bad Voodoo Lou
Jan 1, 2006


FAT BATMAN posted:

I recently fell in love and ended up completely reading all of The Immortal Iron Fist. That guy, and all the surrounding lore and characters, are loving awesome.
So I want more of that awesome streetfighting mystical kung-fu stuff, right? I've heard that the thing Iron Fist is best known for is teaming up with Luke Cage as part of some team called Heroes For Hire. Is there a collection of stories about them, or somewhere to start?

Also, are there any especially awesome trade paperbacks of Doctor Strange stories? I read The Oath once and thought it was a complete blast.

I'm really glad both Iron Fist and Dr. Strange are in Ultimate MvC3.

I never cared much about Iron Fist until the Immortal run, which I loved too. Make sure you read the Immortal Weapons TPB, with short stories about the other champions from Immortal Iron Fist from different writers and artists.

Beyond that, I think you will love Daredevil -- another street-level hero, best known for gritty crime-noir stories with the occasional appearances by mystical ninjas. Frank Miller, Brian Michael Bendis, Ed Brubaker, and now Mark Waid are the Daredevil writers to follow. Miller's "Born Again" is THE classic DD story, and his "The Man Without Fear" is a modern update/retelling/movie-style treatment of his origin. I recommend starting with either of those and moving on to the beginning of Bendis' epic run. Brubaker (who co-wrote Immortal Iron Fist) follows directly from Bendis, and both of them used Iron Fist as an occasional supporting character in DD.

Big Bad Voodoo Lou fucked around with this message at Oct 1, 2011 around 16:58

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009


You're also likely to like the recent Power Man stuff. Basically, an arrogant kid gets powers and decides to jack Luke Cage's old name and superhero-for-pay shtick, which gets Luke and Danny's attention. There's the Shadowland: Power Man mini and the follow-up Power Man & Iron Fist mini.

Uthor
Jul 9, 2006

Gummy Bear Heaven ... It's where I go when the world is too mean.

Not Iron Fist, but I recently read Infinite Kung Fu and it is great. If you like kung Fu movies, you'll love the book.

Ghost Boner
Jul 6, 2009


is the recent Showcase Presents: All-Star Comics worth are read, or is it like the Trial of the Flash?

TheManWithNoName
Oct 20, 2004

Cuz life sucks, kids. Get it while you can.

Ghost Boner posted:

is the recent Showcase Presents: All-Star Comics worth are read, or is it like the Trial of the Flash?

I'm not too far into it, but it's pretty fun so far. My knowledge of the JSA is pretty limited, so it's kind of nice seeing some of the new characters join like old-rear end Robin and Power Girl (I think this is her first appearance?). Star-Spangled Kid is really lame though.

Also it's not strictly chronological, it's sandwiched between some shorter stories from Adventure Comics.

Ghost Boner
Jul 6, 2009


Read X-Factor 224.1, and its gotten me interested in the series (along with Havok coming back).

Should I go from 225 or go back to the start? Is it consistently good?

I want to start reading right away instead of going back to the start, because it'll take me awhile to collect all the trades.

prefect
Sep 11, 2001

No one, Woodhouse.
No one.


Ghost Boner posted:

Read X-Factor 224.1, and its gotten me interested in the series (along with Havok coming back).

Should I go from 225 or go back to the start? Is it consistently good?

I want to start reading right away instead of going back to the start, because it'll take me awhile to collect all the trades.

You can do both. The point-one issues are supposed to be jumping-on points for new readers, so picking up there is exactly what they want you to do. And there's no law against reading the earlier issues in trades.

Edit: Although I think you might want to start with the Madrox limited-series trade before the X-Factor trades. I could swear the Madrox stuff leads into the X-Factor thing.

Big Bad Voodoo Lou
Jan 1, 2006


prefect posted:

You can do both. The point-one issues are supposed to be jumping-on points for new readers, so picking up there is exactly what they want you to do. And there's no law against reading the earlier issues in trades.

Edit: Although I think you might want to start with the Madrox limited-series trade before the X-Factor trades. I could swear the Madrox stuff leads into the X-Factor thing.

The Madrox: Multiple Choice miniseries does lead directly into X-Factor #1, and it is good, but starting with X-Factor Volume 1 won't leave you completely confused either. I love the first few years of the series and recommend all of it highly. I started to lose interest with Volume 6, when Larry Stroman provided some horrible art, Wolfsbane left, Longshot and Darwin joined the team, and they left the Mutant Town setting. After that, I think it has been hit or miss, but Madrox and the first five volumes of X-Factor are drat good.

Diet Poison
Jan 20, 2008
Hooch is crazy.

Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:

The Madrox: Multiple Choice miniseries does lead directly into X-Factor #1, and it is good, but starting with X-Factor Volume 1 won't leave you completely confused either. I love the first few years of the series and recommend all of it highly. I started to lose interest with Volume 6, when Larry Stroman provided some horrible art, Wolfsbane left, Longshot and Darwin joined the team, and they left the Mutant Town setting. After that, I think it has been hit or miss, but Madrox and the first five volumes of X-Factor are drat good.

As someone who's just finishing "Happenings in Vegas" right now, I agree with this. "Madrox" is awesome, and X-Factor is great to really good up to 6. Secret Invasion, even not counting the (worst loving art in the world) art, is not good. The tie-in to SI was pointless, and the climax of the story about Darwin happens... off camera? Crap. Crap crap crap.
However, I've been loving everything after that. It's kinda odd when they jump from issue 50 to 200 and all of a sudden everyone's wearing different costumes and they're (thankfully) back in New York... was there something I was supposed to read between those? It just seems like you're supposed to go "oh, some time passed, here's what happened in the issue that never existed".

TLDR: Slog through 6, because starting with 7 it's (imo, at least) great again.

Dr. Hurt
Oct 23, 2010

Maybe it's an early Christmas present?


I have just received a gift card to Amazon and have been thinking about getting something non-superhero. I've got two questions:

I'm a fan of Jason but I don't really know much about him. I've read I Killed Adolf Hitler, Why Are You Doing This? and Low Moon through the library. Out of all of them, I think Why Are You Doing This? was my favorite and I would love something with more of that style when compared to Low Moon which I thought was a bit hit-or-miss.

Also I read Ice Haven recently and loved it. I haven't read Ghost World (which I probably should since I want to read more Clowes) but is David Boring any good?

Any other suggestion of artists/writers similar to Daniel Clowes and Jason is appreciated too! Thanks in advance guys.

TheAceOfLungs
Aug 4, 2010


I'm quite fond of Bats/Supes, but the whole "decompressed story-telling" thing and the continuity lockout kinda kept me away from most regular comics for some time. I gravitated towards the DCAU comics and Silver Age reprints, because each issue had a complete story in itself; then when Harley Quinn came out, it seemed to combine "one story: one issue" with the decompressed over-arching plot. This worked for me; I didn't have to know 10+ years worth of story to enjoy the book I was reading.

With the latest reboot supposedly being geared toward new readers, I am almost tempted to try mainstream comics again, but fandom cries of sexism and suckitude stay my hand. (Plus, I'm afraid of plunking down money I barely have for a story that has no ending, requiring me to spend even *more* money I barely have.)

Are there any books in the reboot that are standalone, decent, and not designed to offend women on every possible level?

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009


I've heard nothing but good things about Animal Man. And Batwoman, The Flash and Wonder Woman are getting pretty good reviews too.

In terms of track record, Stormwatch and Demon Knights will probably do pretty well also.

etcetera08
Sep 11, 2008



Gaz-L posted:

I've heard nothing but good things about Animal Man. And Batwoman, The Flash and Wonder Woman are getting pretty good reviews too.

In terms of track record, Stormwatch and Demon Knights will probably do pretty well also.

None of these are even close to stand alone. And Stormwatch sucked.

TheAceofLungs, no there really isn't anything like that at this point. All the books are clearly aimed at getting readers to continue buying on a monthly basis with little regard to fitting any semblance of complete plot arc in one issue.

Ghost Boner
Jul 6, 2009


Frankenstein, Swamp Thing, Batman and Action Comics are also definitely worth a read, along with everything Gaz-L listed.


And thanks for the X-Factor help. I'll pick up #225 this week along with the first trade and start are really weird rear end reading system.

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009


etcetera08 posted:

None of these are even close to stand alone. And Stormwatch sucked.

TheAceofLungs, no there really isn't anything like that at this point. All the books are clearly aimed at getting readers to continue buying on a monthly basis with little regard to fitting any semblance of complete plot arc in one issue.

It depends on what was meant by standalone, but I'll grant that they're all ongoings. But as noted, there isn't anything that's designed as a one-off in the reboot. So it's either suggest stuff that's not tied to a bunch of other titles too much, or suggest nothing.

Lurdiak
Feb 25, 2006


Gaz-L posted:

It depends on what was meant by standalone, but I'll grant that they're all ongoings. But as noted, there isn't anything that's designed as a one-off in the reboot. So it's either suggest stuff that's not tied to a bunch of other titles too much, or suggest nothing.

If nothing fits his criteria, you're doing him a disservice by recommending anything.

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



Dr. Hurt posted:

I have just received a gift card to Amazon and have been thinking about getting something non-superhero. I've got two questions:

I'm a fan of Jason but I don't really know much about him.

I haven't read Why Are You Doing This so I can't compare it but I have read Jason's The Last Musketeer and thought it was pretty good so I'd recommend that.

Y Signal
Feb 17, 2009

Fear the vision of the renaissance man.


Dr. Hurt posted:

I have just received a gift card to Amazon and have been thinking about getting something non-superhero. I've got two questions:

I'm a fan of Jason but I don't really know much about him. I've read I Killed Adolf Hitler, Why Are You Doing This? and Low Moon through the library. Out of all of them, I think Why Are You Doing This? was my favorite and I would love something with more of that style when compared to Low Moon which I thought was a bit hit-or-miss.

Out of those, I've only read I Killed Adolf Hitler, but I'd recommend The Left Bank Gang.

TheAceOfLungs
Aug 4, 2010


Gaz-L posted:

It depends on what was meant by standalone, but I'll grant that they're all ongoings. But as noted, there isn't anything that's designed as a one-off in the reboot. So it's either suggest stuff that's not tied to a bunch of other titles too much, or suggest nothing.


Ah, I was afraid as much. For what it's worth, I did mean one-offs, but if something is good enough and sufficiently independent of other titles, I might dare to splurge on a miniseries. In this case, can anyone recommend anything pre-reboot that'd still be fairly easy to come by? One-shot, good writing, and not quite so blatantly written for an exclusively male demographic?

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



Y Signal posted:

Out of those, I've only read I Killed Adolf Hitler, but I'd recommend The Left Bank Gang.

The Left Bank Gang is good too. I just like The Last Musketeer slightly better for some reason I can't pin down (maybe it's that I think Musketeer is stronger thematically despite Left Bank Gang's more ambitious plotting...).

MrBling
Aug 21, 2003

Oozing machismo

Having finally gotten around to ordering (among other things) the Jason Aaron Ghost Rider omnibus and tearing through that in short order, I'm left wanting more Ghost Rider or at least something of a similar nature.

Are there other Ghost Rider collections that are as good or should I move on to other things?

Lurdiak
Feb 25, 2006


MrBling posted:

Having finally gotten around to ordering (among other things) the Jason Aaron Ghost Rider omnibus and tearing through that in short order, I'm left wanting more Ghost Rider or at least something of a similar nature.

Are there other Ghost Rider collections that are as good or should I move on to other things?

I love my Essential Ghost Rider volumes 1 and 2, but it's hardly comparable in any way to the Jason Aaron stuff. Crank up the pulp and melodrama and forget about long-running story arcs building up major villains. I mean, you had Blaze race Death Itself with no buildup in an awesome and dramatic issue, then like 2 issues later he gets knocked out by vagrants that resemble Laurel and Hardy and loses his memory. It's great pulp, serial storytelling, but it's absolutely nothing like the kind of saga Aaron wrote. He barely has a supporting cast for most of those stories, since he does the "wandering loner" thing.

I know Danny Ketch had some slow-burn wars with hell in his own comic in the 90s, which might be more your speed, but I can't vouch for the quality of any 90s comic. I did really love the final wrap-up issue that was never published at the time because Marvel was in panic mode because the collector's bubble had popped. It came out like... 2007? 2008? Maybe later. But the point is, they had the comic all done and ready to print in the 90s and still said "no" because they couldn't afford to print anything that wasn't a 100% guaranteed hit at the time, so it was shelved for years and years, which basically meant nobody knew what the gently caress was up with Ghost Rider's status in the Marvel U. Then all of a sudden some mini-series bringing Blaze back as the Ghost Rider with no explanation happened and the character bounced from one awful story to the next until landing in Way and Aaron's hands, where they totally retconned a ton of established history.

It was a really awesome closing to the story of Noble Kale, if nothing else, but since it had never been published (excluding that "from the Marvel Vault" reprint a decade later) it had no impact on later Ghost Rider stories and was totally ignored. A shame.

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Amdis
Jan 9, 2007



I've been reading X-Men casually for the last few years and noticed I really don't know much about Apocalypse, is there a particular series that someone could recommend for me?

Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003

He's AWESOME!


Amdis posted:

I've been reading X-Men casually for the last few years and noticed I really don't know much about Apocalypse, is there a particular series that someone could recommend for me?

He originated in X-Factor vol 1, which is as good a place as any. I'm not sure there's any really great Apocalypse stories (ignoring AoA). I guess X-Cutioner's Song is also there, but it's really mediocre.

prefect
Sep 11, 2001

No one, Woodhouse.
No one.


Endless Mike posted:

He originated in X-Factor vol 1, which is as good a place as any. I'm not sure there's any really great Apocalypse stories (ignoring AoA). I guess X-Cutioner's Song is also there, but it's really mediocre.

Yeah, Apocalypse showed up in X-Factor #4?, and Walt Simonson was doing the art back then, so it's a good recommendation on that basis alone.

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



prefect posted:

Yeah, Apocalypse showed up in X-Factor #4?, and Walt Simonson was doing the art back then, so it's a good recommendation on that basis alone.

And he had his first big storyline in X-Factor in their Fall of the Mutants bit (which technically was a crossover but X-Factor stands completely independently). That can be found in Essential X-Factor volume 2.

Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003

He's AWESOME!


Random Stranger posted:

And he had his first big storyline in X-Factor in their Fall of the Mutants bit (which technically was a crossover but X-Factor stands completely independently). That can be found in Essential X-Factor volume 2.
I'm 90% sure Fall of the Mutants was a non-crossover event. Like, the three X-books of the time ran stories with the same kind of tone, but there was no actual crossover.

FAT BATMAN
Dec 11, 2009


For me, what makes Captain America great, aside from being super-competent, is that he's got this super-enhanced intelligence, one of the sharpest minds, and he makes time to use it to be personable. He remembers the names of every man under his command, their birthdays, where they're from and probably their favorite flavor of ice cream. He wears his bright colors and stands at the front lines, not because he's looking for glory or an idiot, but so enemy fire isn't focused on his men. He can take it. He cares for his men and goes out of his way for them when he can. That all being said, I have no idea which comics I got this mental image of him from. It's all kind of a blur, because he's great in all of them.

I have a friend that is going into the military soon. I was hoping I could give her a small collection of Captain America comics before she goes, because while I have no idea what the military is like I think it'd be awesome if every soldier got to read some issues. Like, in a generic "Best Of" collection I imagine it would mostly focus on his big moments of patriotic speeches about the ideal America, but I want something more along the lines of when he has big moments showing what the ideal American soldier/officer/leader is like.

picosecond
Dec 9, 2006

one millionth of one millionth of a second

FAT BATMAN posted:

I have a friend that is going into the military soon. I was hoping I could give her a small collection of Captain America comics before she goes, because while I have no idea what the military is like I think it'd be awesome if every soldier got to read some issues. Like, in a generic "Best Of" collection I imagine it would mostly focus on his big moments of patriotic speeches about the ideal America, but I want something more along the lines of when he has big moments showing what the ideal American soldier/officer/leader is like.

That's a tough one, given there's about 70 years worth of stories to draw from. But if you want to focus on the military aspect, I'd recommend the following stories/series:

* Steve Rogers: Super Soldier mini by Ed Brubaker - it has a depowered Steve Rogers still whoopin' rear end

* Captain America: Theater Of War - mainly WWII-era stories, all done well. You really get a feel for how brave and honorable Cap is in this series. Get the whole series except for the Howard Chaykin issue.

* The Mark Waid/Dan Jurgens run from around '98-'99 - It has Cap discharged from the military but still fighting the good fight as a SHIELD agent.

* The Bucky Cap stories that ran from (I think) '07-'10 - it shows Bucky trying to live up to Steve's legacy in spite of his past, while Steve tries to build a new legacy as the world's top cop. That might be good for demonstrating how civilian life can be hard to adapt to after military life, plus it's just a good story with lots of Cold War spy stuff thrown in.

Lurdiak
Feb 25, 2006


The Captain America and Bucky comics coming out right now are pretty great, invaders-era stories. They're told from Bucky's perspective and ostensibly star him, but that just means you get the POV of a (relatively) normal kid who was Cap's biggest fan and best friend.

Happy Hippo
Aug 8, 2004

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picosecond posted:

That's a tough one, given there's about 70 years worth of stories to draw from. But if you want to focus on the military aspect, I'd recommend the following stories/series:

* Steve Rogers: Super Soldier mini by Ed Brubaker - it has a depowered Steve Rogers still whoopin' rear end

Huh? Did I miss something when I read that? How is he depowered? He's not "Captain America" but as far as I remember he's still a super soldier (like the title says).

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Cyberius
Sep 24, 2007
Totally Fake

I'm looking for more good Fantastic Four.

So far, I've only read Hickman's run and I'm halfway through Mark Waid's run, and I love both. Maybe a little more Waid, because I like the series of small stories a little more than Hickman's big giant arc.

Related to that, what are good Inhumans stories? They have popped up a bunch in FF, and I only have a basic grasp of them.

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