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If Franomatic decides to launch, their launch will actually come prior to yours (because of the lower budget. Well, currently) I assume you don't have to declare rushing until the actual launch?
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Leperflesh posted:Goondanga will attempt to launch its Gazelle rocket, placing the Click Beetle satellite into orbit, becoming the first nation to complete the Orbital Satellite Mission, in January 1957. I think you mean June 1957 which is the default (no rush) launch date. Sure you could rush to January but that would be a -10% penalty and a 10 MB cost.
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Paladin5 posted:Are the checks for an Orbital Satellite mission the same as in BARIS (one against the rocket and two against the satellite)? If so, I'd say the odds are pretty good that at least one program is going to succeed in putting up a satellite during Spring 1957 (given semi-decent R&D rolls, of course). Same checks for most missions, yep. In fact, I should go post the checks for each mission type. Noreaus posted:If Franomatic decides to launch, their launch will actually come prior to yours (because of the lower budget. Well, currently) The turn of launch, yes. Vaga42Bond posted:Launches can be Rushed on the turn they are to be launched. (ie: In Spring 1957, you can rush only Spring 1957 launches.)
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God drat this is confusing. So "spring" actually means fall? Like, you declare a launch for the spring but it happens after the fall turn starts? Ah OK the OP says launches are done in June and December. So "Spring" means June, even though the turn "starts" in January. Fine fine fine, I'll edit again. Also does R&D count for the budget? Because I guess that means, you can buy four dice instead of five and then get your launch off first? I wish I'd noticed that detail earlier... Wait no you're saying it's the "Annual Budget" (which is actually next year's income) determines launch order, so if you're lucky enough to get bonus money that means you get to be last to launch. And since of the three nations going for the orbital satellite mission, Goondanga has the largest budget, we'll certainly be last to launch. Just have to hope the other nation's rockets explode on the launchpad I guess! Leperflesh fucked around with this message at Mar 22, 2011 around 21:47 |
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Still got some numbers to run and some consultations to make before I make any declarations. I'll get something solid to you guys in a little while. Dinner first, praying to Shamash, you know the drill.
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Leperflesh posted:
Unless you rush! Be risky!
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The Scientists rigged up a pair of very, very small test models to show me what they were going for with the Fokker rocket. The demonstration was pretty good, all things considered. Only one of them exploded and I'm pretty sure R&D Bob's (that's what we all call him, you see) hair will grow back soon enough. They sold me on the idea. The Solarian Society will make an attempt to put their Speculatus into orbit in Spring of 1957.
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Wow, you folks are really on top of things. I might punch out an extra turn today for y'all, so we can get to the good part: Things
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January, 1957 =This News Broadcast was sponsored in part by RCA Victor Vinyl Records= From our studios in Los Angeles, welcome to GNN, the Goon News Network, bringing you the latest in the news of the world. Tonight, our top stories: British and French troops leave the Suez Canal region, triggering the resignation of British Prime Minister Anthony Eden. He is expected to be replaced by Harold Macmillan. Dwight D. Eisenhower is inaugurated for a second term as President of the United States. And finally, updates on the four rival "Space Programs". We bring you now to our newsroom for detailed coverage. And now your host, Douglas Edwards.  Good evening ladies and gentlemen. Tonight, we begin with the latest in the scientific world. A caffeine shortage has caused problems with the Solarian Society solar warrior training program. The head of Zlandia negotiates several major engineering contracts for their space program. A major scientist has joined the Sri Lanka space program staff. And finally, rumors of a major feminist rights breakthrough in Goondanga; what will it mean to the much talked about Afronauts program?. Now, we turn to our reporter, Herbert L. Matthews, in New York, at the UN meeting over the Suez Crisis... Briefings: quote:War Planner Frankomatic of the Solarian Society, the caffeine shortage due to the limiting of coffee at Pride of Shamash has caused several potential (name of *-nauts) to injure themselves as they stumble about sleepily. No (name of *-nauts) recruiting can be conducted this turn. (Budget Table Result: +2) quote:Chief Operating Officer ZZT the Fourth, of Zlandia, it appears that your father has applied quote:Minister of Defense Noreaus, of The Democratic Republic of Sri Lanka, a leading researcher from the Futurists' Cooperative has defected to your program, citing quote:Master Controller Leperflesh, of Goondanga, the Elder Council has heard a plea from the daughter of t!Kanga, who personally walked to (your launch site), to redeem her family's honor, and has authorized you to hire female afronauts, beginning with her. (Budget Table Result: +1) Vaga42Bond fucked around with this message at Mar 23, 2011 around 06:34 |
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This is quite an interesting result. Does this discount apply to the purchase of new programs, or only to additional units of programs we're already running?
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If it's anything like BARIS, the discount is for anything you have to purchase within the next two turns. Since you start a new program by purchasing the part, he's already got a satellite and a rocket, but if he wanted to launch another mission he'd be able to buy a second set for half off. And, of course, if he initiates any programs within the next year they're super cheap. (Assuming it still works the same way.)
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If we had more funds, I would have been able to put ~Sri Lankan Masterstroke~ in action. Alas, we can only take the obvious route.pre:Starting budget - 72 MB Equipment purchasing 2 dannēnauts - 18 + 2 = 20 1 "Vijaya" one-stage rocket - 3 1 "Kandy" one-man capsule - 2 Sub total - 25 Research 5 Research dice for "Vijaya" - 10 5 Research dice for "Kandy" - 5 Sub total - 15 Total cost this turn - 40 Remaining funds - 32
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Half off on equipment seems a bit of a strong advantage for Zlandia. Is that a relatively common event or was it a rare game changer that came out early?
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ZZT the Fifth posted:This is quite an interesting result. Does this discount apply to the purchase of new programs, or only to additional units of programs we're already running? Captain Bravo posted:If it's anything like BARIS, the discount is for anything you have to purchase within the next two turns. Since you start a new program by purchasing the part, he's already got a satellite and a rocket, but if he wanted to launch another mission he'd be able to buy a second set for half off. And, of course, if he initiates any programs within the next year they're super cheap. (Assuming it still works the same way.) Random Stranger posted:Half off on equipment seems a bit of a strong advantage for Zlandia. Is that a relatively common event or was it a rare game changer that came out early? Not as strong as BARIS, I'm afraid. (Which explains why there's like three or four of these things in the deck as opposed to one in BARIS.) It does allow a discount on programs of the hardware cost part of it. (Example: Two-Stage Rocket is normally 60 to start, but minus half the hardware part of it, (12/2=6) is 54.) There's two cards in the game that will probably blow everything out of the water if they come out at the right time, however.
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The scientists had worse news than a few of our potential Solanauts maiming themselves in cartoonish manners: one of them put some instruments into another scaled down test rocket and found that our calculations for who to keep an eye on for... "recruitment"... were a bit off. I've instructed the new data to be sent out to the worldwide surveillance and abduc-... "recruitment" teams, but it's going to take a while to get solid results again. At least we're not actually under the gun with needing any Solanauts yet. I was only recently shown the prototype for the new "Cadet" capsule program that has been thought up. Perhaps I'm being a little generous with 'Thought Up', since as far as I can tell it's just a much larger Speculatus with the guts replaced with a seat and some very small rockets to allow mobility, but hey. I'm not going to be in the drat thing, so it doesn't bother me. pre:Starting Budget : 66 Purchase "Cadet" One Man Capsule : 18 Four Research Dice for "Speculatus": 4 Five Research Dice for "Fokker E.1": 10 Five Research Dice for "Cadet" : 5 Remaining Funds : 29 Man, just getting slaughtered with bad events at the star. Streak's gotta end sometime though.
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Goondanga Master Controller Leperflesh stood atop the "Tall Giraffe" Space Control Tower overlooking the vast, mostly-empty expanse of the Afrodrome. In the distance, another tower was being erected by a small but busy swarm of eager young Goondangans, foreign contractors, visiting scientists, and various tethered drought animals. As he observed, a team of water buffalo was dragging a huge cylindrical tank towards the new launchpad, probably a water tank for spraying down the dirt around the tower to keep dust from getting into the more delicate parts of the rocket. Earlier in the week, he had approved Goondanga's first prospective candidate for Afronaut training... none other than t!Kanga's daughter, Jefepato. The press had been apoplectic. Although most pundits agreed that the Sri Lankans, with their strategy of going directly for human launch, had a good chance of putting a man into space this year, the very idea that there was a chance - however remote - that the first human in space would be a black woman was sensational. Leperflesh smiled. It was perfect. Controversy brought attention, and attention brought money. Oil diamonds could not do it alone; Goondanga needed the expertise and finances of international entities and foreign governments, if its ambitions were to be achieved. And, of course, there was the matter of centuries of racism and oppression. If a black woman could be an Afronaut, then perhaps she could be a CEO? A president? Even a pope? pre:Goondanga Space Budget Spring 1957 ---------------------------------------------------------- $ Develop "Pregnant Wildebeest" One-(Wo)Man Capsule 18 Hire Female Afronaut 18 Research One-(Wo)Man Capsule * 5 5 Research Orbital Sattelite * 5 5 Research One Stage Rocket * 5 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Total 56
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R&D Results (Except for Zlandia) Solarian Society Orbital Satellite "Speculatus" (6,3,1,2) 81%+12% = 93% One Stage Rocket "Fokker E.1" (6,5,3,6,3) 48%+23% = 71% One Man Capsule "Cadet" (6,3,6,2,2) 10%+19% = 29% The small mobility rocket idea for the "Cadet" lead to a major paradigm shift idea for the "Fokker E.1". Notably, the idea that maybe, just maybe, using a safer ignition source than "Fast running volunteer with a long matchstick" would be a good idea. (Nice roll.) The Democratic Republic of Sri Lanka One-man capsule "Kandy" (1,4,6,2,5) 53%+18% = 72% One Stage Rocket "Vijaya" (5,1,3,5,6) 48%+20% = 68% -Dannēnauts: Professor Bling (0 XP), pumpinglemma (0 XP) The nation waits with bated breath for the schedule for the first manned mission into space. The hope for the first Socialist in space will show the imperialist capitalist running pig-dogs who is boss. Goondanga Orbital Satellite "Click Beetle" (2,3,6,3,1) 76%+15% = 91% One Stage Rocket "Gazelle" (5,2,4,5,4) 54%+19% = 73% One-(Wo)Man Capsule "Pregnant Wildebeest" (3,5,6,2,5) 10%+21%=31% -Afronaut: Jefepato (0 XP) The nation cheers at the announcement that the first Afronaut has been recruited and trained. National pride swells. News crews are everywhere, almost as numerous as the mosquitoes, but far more annoying. Launches Scheduled For This Turn: (Current Launch Order, Not Including Rushing) Solarian Society (68MB)- Orbital Satellite Goondanga (72MB)- Orbital Satellite Zlandia (73MB)- Orbital Satellite Vaga42Bond fucked around with this message at Mar 24, 2011 around 06:55 |
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Well that's a rather nice result. Time to take advantage of it, I believe. ---  Son, I hope ya appreciate what I'm doin' for ya here. The less money you have to spend, the better. Well, it's going to help a lot, but you didn't use... That's none o' yer business, boy. Now get that thing up into space!--- ...So, we're still on track, then? Indeed we are, sir. However, I still recommend that the rocket be tested in the time leading up to the launch, to do all we can to prevent something... unfortunate from happening. Two of the other space programs are planning to attempt satellite launches around the same time - if ours doesn't go as planned, we'll probably be left in the dust. We can afford to research. I'll wire over the money, so let the other techs know. Very good, sir. ...And while we're at it, I'm going to wire out a little something more. There's some other projects that I want you to look into...--- pre:------ BUDGET FOR SPRING 1957:------ ==================================== Current Budget --------------- 73 MB Hardware Purchases Buy 1 "Screamin' Eagle" ------ 2 MB (?) 1-Man Capsule Program "Magnum" 17 MB Total Cost ------------------- 19 MB (?) Budget After Purchases ------- 54 MB Research "Screamin' Eagle" (5 teams)--- 10 MB "Hunter" (5 teams) ----------- 5 MB "Magnum" (5 teams) ----------- 5 MB Total Cost ------------------- 20 MB Remaining Budget ------------- 34 MB (?) ZZT the Fifth fucked around with this message at Mar 24, 2011 around 08:14 |
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R&D Results for Zlandia (PS: It's Spring 1957) Zlandia: Orbital Satellite "Hunter" (3,1,5,6,2) 72%+17% = 89% One-Stage Rocket "Screamin' Eagle" (3,4,1,4,6) 53%+18% = 71% One-Man Capsule "Magnum" (2,2,3,4,6) 10%+17% = 27% A respectable, if not overwhelming performance. Then again, it's hard to sit and think when your hide's been tanned. For ALL people launching this turn: I'm leaving it open a fair amount of time for trying to out rush each other. However, please state somewhere if you've finalize how much you wish to rush. (Or if not at all.)
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While the capitalists are fighting amongst themselves: Sri Lanka declares Manned sub-orbital for Fall 1957. Professor Bling is the primary crew, pumpinglemma is the backup.
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A quick calculation of the probabilities of success for Spring 1956 gives the following: Solarian Society: 61.41% Goondanga: 60.45% Zlandia: 56.24% Rushing is a -8% penalty per month. Odds that one or more teams succeeds in an Orbital Satellite mission (assuming no rushes): 93.32% Edit: Added the effects of rushing to the individual probabilities of success. The rush penalty is like BARIS in that it applies to every check, correct? Paladin5 fucked around with this message at Mar 24, 2011 around 18:42 |
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Paladin5 posted:A quick calculation of the probabilities of success for Spring 1956 gives the following (assuming no rushes): NEVER tell me the odds, Threepio! 
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E: Putting this back in. Someone's always going to have to go first and someone else is always going to (try to) be opportunistic and wait for everyone else to make a decision. It would work that way on the tabletop version face to face, too. Actually, I'm thinking the best way to handle it might be to force people to decide their rushes in the order the launches would go with no rushing. Stops the total dragging out of things, and still allows the others to take the chance to grab for first if they want. The surveillance teams haven't brought back any news of what the other programs are doing just yet... I guess they're doing exactly what we were trying to do. Feeling us out. We can't wait around forever for someone to make a first move, and it might be advantageous to take the initiative. The Solarian Society will rush their launch by ONE month. We will also be planning another Orbital Satellite launch for Fall of 1957 --- Explosions. Frankomatic fucked around with this message at Mar 24, 2011 around 19:25 |
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There's a silly game of chicken here, complicated by when various players show up to post. I think we ought to decide whether and how much to rush the launch in secret and e-mail our decisions to Vaga42Bond directly. Otherwise, it's to each player's advantage to wait to the last second before posting, ensuring the game is delayed as much as possible.
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Leperflesh posted:There's a silly game of chicken here, complicated by when various players show up to post. Hm. This would make it an odd guessing game with no way to know if you're actually going to get first or not. Besides, waiting to see what everyone else does isn't necessarily an advantage. If you definitely want first you're going to have to rush a lot anyway, and if you choose not to rush at all, someone else who did could still succeed. E: Not to mention that despite the temporarily redacted post above yours, it would've been to my own benefit to assume you guys were waiting on me and see if Vagabond called a Time Up on rush orders. That would've guaranteed me a first launch with my full safety rating intact.  E2: Put my plan back in. If this were being played face to face, I'm pretty sure everyone would have to state it out loud. Someone's always going to wait. I think putting down an enforced order for public rush declaration would be a better option. Make it in order of how the launches would go without rushing, opposite that, whatever. I think it would be better to have the rushes declared publicly though, otherwise you're missing a big part of the game: douchbaggish oneupmanship. Frankomatic fucked around with this message at Mar 24, 2011 around 19:28 |
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Leperflesh posted:There's a silly game of chicken here, complicated by when various players show up to post. For what it's worth - as an observer, I agree with this.
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In the BARIS thread, not a whole lot of rushing went on, but the forum-played US always had the advantage of being able to set the pace. It wasn't really much of an advantage in the end due to how the Soviet program ended up going, but I still think the stuff should be public. Most of the hilarity in this game comes from people being humongous jackasses and trying to outrush each other, causing horrible fireballs and death. You can't really reliably try to out-rush someone else unless you can see what they're planning, though. Besides, if someone's trying to force your hand by rushing, you always have the option of calling their bluff and doing nothing. If you're correct and they rushed too much, they'll fail and you'll gain the much safer benefits. Hell, trying to goad other people into rushing is really the only actual "strategy" involved in this game. Everything else is basically dice luck and card luck. Frankomatic fucked around with this message at Mar 24, 2011 around 19:42 |
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Well that's just it, really. Suppose I'm happy with second place? And suppose Zlandia is OK with third? In that case, Frankomatic is rushing unnecessarily, and would want to retract his rush by editing his post at the last second. But! What if I'm hoping he'll do so, and am planning my own rush, which I will only announce after he retracts his? E.g., I'm willing to rush, but not by much, so if he stands on his 1-month rush I won't rush at all, but if he retracts, I'll rush. We're now playing deadline-chicken. I like the idea of having a predetermined order of when you must commit to rush orders, except that if players must post anything in any given order, that always slows down the game as we wait for whoever's turn it is to post. I agree that having it done in private is not fun for observers but I don't see how to do it fairly otherwise.
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Well, the best case for both observers and sanity would be that the players can only declare what they intend to do ONCE, no more. Basically, if someone wants to rush 1 month, he is stuck with 1 month. This is basically the case with private votes anyways, since people are unlikely to change their votes once made anyways since they have no reason to without knowing what the opponent is doing.
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Leperflesh posted:Well that's just it, really. Suppose I'm happy with second place? And suppose Zlandia is OK with third? In that case, Frankomatic is rushing unnecessarily, and would want to retract his rush by editing his post at the last second. We haven't been allowing retractions up to this point, why should we start now? Rushing is always a bit of a gamble, and a challenge to the other players if you're doing it. Besides, a 1 month rush is pretty much just saying 'I'm pretty sure that if this was going to fail, it would've failed even if I hadn't rushed, and I'll bet someone else's life on it.' Frankomatic fucked around with this message at Mar 24, 2011 around 21:00 |
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It sounds fair if we take a mafia-style stance on it - No editing posts! (To do with rushing) and a hard deadline?
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How long do we have to make a decision on rushing?
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ZZT the Fifth posted:How long do we have to make a decision on rushing? Dunno. I'd love to see all these rockets E: Also going to laugh so hard if nobody answers the Solarian challenge to rush and my needlessly risky launch works fine. Frankomatic fucked around with this message at Mar 25, 2011 around 01:17 |
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I'd like to cap Friday off with a set of I'll disregard Frankomatic's rush order from earlier, since I realized I haven't thought out the ground-rules for rushing. Rushing Rules: ------ -Noon-ish, Pacific Time (California) March 25, 2011. to be the deadline. -No editing Rush Launch posts. -When deadline ticks by my time, I will make a Time Up post. -I will use the last Rush Launch post from each person for how much to rush by. -You cannot reduce the amount you rush by. Only increase. Or scrub mission. (Standard penalties and shaming apply.) -If you do not want to rush, you do not need to say anything, but I will like you more if you do say something to the "No Rush" effect.
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I'm in EST, so... 3ish my time then? Back to the thinking caps, I suppose.
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What shall we do, sir? We'll wait, of course. If the other programs want to engage in a pissing contest, that's their problem, and we'll sit back and laugh if their rockets explode. If not, well, at least we'll have something up in the air. Hopefully. --- Zlandia will not be rushing its launch.
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TIME UP! Sneak preview of possible result for these orbital satellite launches:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVeFkakURXM Actually, I'm starting to roll the dice now. Just wanted to get your blood racing. 
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Whoops! I didn't see that deadline till just now. I have too many drat threads bookmarked! Which is fine because my intention was to not rush.
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Leperflesh posted:Whoops! I didn't see that deadline till just now. I have too many drat threads bookmarked! I didn't say anything since I wasn't sure if you were planning to or not. Having the first go if nobody rushes due to the crappy budget does give a little leeway. Hopefully everyone will explode equally and we'll all be in the crapper though.
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Vaga42Bond posted:Sneak preview of possible result for these orbital satellite launches:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVeFkakURXM Actually, I'm starting to roll the dice now. Just wanted to get your blood racing. Frankomatic posted:Hopefully everyone will explode equally and we'll all be in the crapper though. Sorry for the delays. Working on the update now. (I made little symbols and flags for everyone! So now you can see things
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