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an skeleton posted:Can we make a separate rap thread just for guys like you and alansmithee and john brown who hate fun? This post is so wrongheaded and elitist I can't believe it. the black husserl posted:No. French Montana, Juicy J, Two Chains, Keef all make great music, this isn't enjoyed 'ironically" or because it is stupid. It is great. It is different. I don't think you understood what I was trying to say. Firstly, I enjoy listening to both Chief Keef and French Montana. I actually loved Keef's album and thought it was ingenious. However, you have to admit that from a musical point of view, it's not good, he's talentless and gimmicky. The music was created in the same way pop music is created, by using a tried and tested formula. In about 10 years time, you're (probably) gonna be looking at these guys the same way we look at crunk or hyphy artists. They're fads and will make way for other (and probably also talentless) individuals. I'm not saying that enjoying the music is a bad thing but I totally understand why a lot of people don't like that kinda poo poo because I don't really like some of these guys (specifically, Riff Raff and Future). Explaining why you like them is a lot more difficult than criticizing them.
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I guess the step I missed is the whole hood dvd thing, but I didn't realize that was an important thing in the rap world until they lost relevance, and the only contemporary ones I watched were from philly anyways.
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Sorry broski but from a musical perspective French is great and Keef (by way of Young Chop) is great. Also French was responsible for the Cocaine City DVD's, which AFAIK were pretty large on the streets around the time when SMACK and Sub0 were the poo poo.  @plogo
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asap-salafi posted:I don't think you understood what I was trying to say. Firstly, I enjoy listening to both Chief Keef and French Montana. I actually loved Keef's album and thought it was ingenious. However, you have to admit that from a musical point of view, it's not good, he's talentless and gimmicky. The music was created in the same way pop music is created, by using a tried and tested formula. In about 10 years time, you're (probably) gonna be looking at these guys the same way we look at crunk or hyphy artists. They're fads and will make way for other (and probably also talentless) individuals. Dude I dont think you understand how wrong you are. Hyphy rules, and Young Chop makes incredible music. I get you, I just disagree: Now LIsten to Some Hyphy you Ignorant Fool: Old: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vi__dpsPv7o New: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjzTrm3WlvU
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asap-salafi posted:I don't think you understood what I was trying to say. Firstly, I enjoy listening to both Chief Keef and French Montana. I actually loved Keef's album and thought it was ingenious. However, you have to admit that from a musical point of view, it's not good, he's talentless and gimmicky. The music was created in the same way pop music is created, by using a tried and tested formula. In about 10 years time, you're (probably) gonna be looking at these guys the same way we look at crunk or hyphy artists. They're fads and will make way for other (and probably also talentless) individuals. I mean it's not like people are gonna care about Freddie Gibbs or Action Bronson or whatever in 10 years, just like no one cares about Problemz or Natural Elements or whatever nowadays. It has nothing to do with the quality of the music, it is how the music is remembered in various forms of media (blogs or magazines or complex lists or clubs or whatever.) Like nowadays there's a lot interest in old memphis mixtapes which was a thing on blogs and forums and people in memphis for a long time, but now extends to techno dudes of all people because legowelt made some mixes of memphis rap. The music isn't any better or worse pre/post legowelt mix, but there is now a new authority of "look at this under appreciated artistic music" that spurs a new interest in the music and causes some people to view it as more artistic when they wouldn't have necessarily felt that way before. (Obviously there's more than just the legowelt mix to the way that perceptions of mephis mix tapes have changed, but simplifying the narrative to that makes my point more obvious.) Also I'm never gonna forget about hyphy cause this is one of my favorite mixtapes ever https://soundcloud.com/djbigmikeyai...phy-mix-b-cause . plogo fucked around with this message at May 21, 2013 around 03:06 |
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I will post hyphy all day it's loving great (turf talk): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6LvpGYWc1Q
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Uhh hyphy and crunk still rule. Hyphy especially never really died, there's a lot of modern Bay poo poo that sounds pretty similar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgzASOl94Y8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bH6sbrgdR4
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Haha I loving love that hyphy poo poo and yes Young Chop is loving amazing. I guess for me it comes down to lyrical content and switching your game up. I can imagine someone like Tyler The Creator possibly creating a piece of work that would be respected by both rap fans and non-rap fans (like GKMC or XXX) because of its sheer brilliance. However, I can't see some of these other geezers producing better (or different) music than what they have already produced. For a lot of people, the mumbling over a sick beat gets boring, which is why they can't stand trap or w/e. Also, Freddie Gibbs is basically raps answer to The Beatles and I will talk about him until I die. 
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I listen to keef, riff raff, waka, whatever you name it. I guess I just don't "get" French. Beyond being talentless, I just find him incredibly obnoxious. And ive listened to coke boys 2, Harry fraud/the production owns but the tape would of been waaay better without French making GBS threads up the beats
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asap-salafi posted:Also, Freddie Gibbs is basically raps answer to The Beatles and I will talk about him until I die. I prefer Prince as a Gibbs comparison because he is a one man show and doesn't need features, but this will forever be true. Midwestgangstaboxframecadillacmuzik is one of the best hip hop CDs in the past 10 years. Str8 Killa, BFK, and Cold Day In Hell aren't far behind either. I have a hard time counting Miseducation as an album because it's just a collective of mixtape tracks with five new freestyles.
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Profondo Rosso posted:Beyond being talentless, I just find him incredibly obnoxious. I mean I feel that way about all of Odd Future so whatever. Sometimes our personal taste just doesn't sync up with the rest of the world for whatever reason.
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Fly McCool posted:Did Kool G Rap do anything after 4,5,6 worth listening to? The few things I've listened to seem uninspired. I liked Half A Klip a lot, I'm pretty sure that came after 4,5,6.
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There are songs and features Kool G Rap has that are alright like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luPLS2rQqBA post 4,5,6 but it's not really worth the effort digging through all the lesser stuff in my opinion. I guess half a klip is alright. It's also worth tracking down the remixes on his older stuff if you haven't done that. Have you heard the remixes to fast life? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTiwlYvbXkk (my fav from salaam remi) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqfP2MoKYz4 (vinyl reanimators!) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRqBOgsPtyA (buckwild) plogo fucked around with this message at May 21, 2013 around 03:55 |
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Hyphy sucks, but Crunk Music owns! You've got party crunk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jokVxoc_JPk violent crunk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9saEpqhBP5M Fearless crunk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17PxXH8iVj8 Dancing crunk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zp8wJSndyd4 and event ignorant crunk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OvV6DNXWgo What more could you ask from a genre?
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Gibbs is being compared to the beatles and prince? Tyler the creator can make something as good as GKMC or XXX? Crunk sucks? ...are yall loving high?
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Personally, crunk seemed more like a fad to me than hyphy. I'm sure they both have deep roots in their specific regions, though.
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John Brown posted:Hyphy sucks, but Crunk Music owns! Substance.  Anyway, a few pages back someone mentioned something about beats switching up, I think this counts. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUWJsoHb984 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCIXfMDKyFM
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an skeleton posted:Personally, crunk seemed more like a fad to me than hyphy. I'm sure they both have deep roots in their specific regions, though. Hyphy didn't become a fad because not too many people outside that region thought it was good music. Crunk got to a point where you had East & West Coast rappers wanting to spit on those beats. ...the music is just better. E: Not to get all regional rap war-like but that was the best way to describe it. Jada, Cam, and Nas started to come down south and deliver those lyrical bars on crunk beats. gently caress, I'm not at my PC right now or I'd post Crunk Muzik by dipset right about now. John Brown fucked around with this message at May 21, 2013 around 04:42 |
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Did Europeans complain when jazz musicians made music with their cultural instruments that had existed for hundreds of years? The cultural appropriation arguments would be a lot more legitimate if they actually had merit past not liking a white artist for musical content and using appropriation as an excuse to put poo poo on them. Nobody is complaining about Eminem rapping but as soon as riff raff does its stealing culture.
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thathonkey posted:Gibbs is being compared to the beatles and prince? Tyler the creator can make something as good as GKMC or XXX? Crunk sucks? Um...yeah? edit: http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/singl....O.E.N.O.+Remix New Usher x 2chainz x Future. Gotta admit, Future does a good job on this one. asap-salafi fucked around with this message at May 21, 2013 around 06:03 |
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thathonkey posted:Gibbs is being compared to the beatles and prince? Tyler the creator can make something as good as GKMC or XXX? Crunk sucks? Surprise! People in rap thread are enthusiastic about rap artists
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Harley C posted:Did Europeans complain when jazz musicians made music with their cultural instruments that had existed for hundreds of years? Not that that's valid, but it's pretty silly to think that the relationship between a traditionally marginalized group and a traditionally dominant group is symmetrical. quote:The cultural appropriation arguments would be a lot more legitimate if they actually had merit past not liking a white artist for musical content and using appropriation as an excuse to put poo poo on them. Nobody is complaining about Eminem rapping but as soon as riff raff does its stealing culture.
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Travis Scott - Owl Pharoah finally supposed to come out today, finally. Won't believe it 'till I'm listening.
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