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Bob NewSCART posted:Can anyone who fucks with MF Doom recommend me some poo poo to get into Born Like This is probably the easiest point to jump in, Mm.. Food, and Vaudeville Villain are also dope. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKPM3hF7FUU Don't listen to that poo poo he did with Danger Mouse no matter what anyone tells you.
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Personally I think "Viktor Vaughn - Vaudeville Villain" is my favorite of his albums (and possibly the most accessible), but it doesn't feature much production from him (which I think is his strong suit, he writes good lyrics but the flow often leaves a lot to be desired). If you want Doom production + rapping, check out "Operation: Doomsday" If you want Madlib production + Doom rapping, check out "Madvillainy" Here are some of my favorite tracks, these are mostly from the Viktor Vaughn release: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4iR668Ki3I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-gslf54bTI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TETHb-ISI9o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkOmT6cU42c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdMVX3Nxti4 edit: Never really liked "Mm Food" or any of the albums following it. Especially the Dangerdoom release is pretty shoddy. He has also released a popular album under the moniker King Geedorah but I'm not very familiar with it - I just always hear good things. thathonkey fucked around with this message at 00:46 on Nov 15, 2012 |
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Wezlar posted:Born Like This is probably the easiest point to jump in, Mm.. Food, and Vaudeville Villain are also dope. IMO besides dangerdoom (not very good) Born like this is probably dooms weakest album. His recent output hasn't been that good, speaking as someone who loves doom. Operation:Dooms Day is his debut and my personal favorite of his, a lot less polished than most of his later albums but the beats are great and classic doom, with some from his late brother Subroc, and its back when Doom was still hungry. His run in 2003-2004 was also great, with Madvilliany (get this), Vaudeville Villain, MMM food and Take me to your leader all being very good to great. Most accessible is probably Mmm food which is almost entirely self produced with no real weak tracks, but skip the like 4 skits in the middle. Madvilliany & Vaudeville Villain both have producers other then doom and thus a different sound then his other stuff, but are both quality. some tracks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQnjNOWd1sI off doomsday https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqW4tKkRoOE&hd=1 off vaudeville villain https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeE4nXD-7_g&hd=1 off take me to your leader https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiYDJ432b0U off mm food Tolkien minority fucked around with this message at 00:56 on Nov 15, 2012 |
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Profondo Rosso posted:IMO besides dangerdoom (not very good) Born like this is probably dooms weakest album. I agree, I just think Born Like This sounds more... modern? than his other good albums.
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The most immortal doom track (with a very rare lord quas feature): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jytxkJUM_7U
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Game's 5 reasons his new album will be a classic: http://www.complex.com/music/2012/11/video-game-lists-5-reasons-why-jesus-piece-will-be-a-classic-album?r=mobre Can't wait to hear what a glorious trainwreck this thing will be. Huge list of features, though I'm sure it'll be much like the last one, where each and every one of them rapped circles around him. doctor thodt fucked around with this message at 02:02 on Nov 15, 2012 |
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Doom saved my life. Viktor Vaughn - Vaudeville Villain is my poo poo. From the first track to the last. I think its is the most conventional album out of his work. Madvillainy is the peak of something. I don't know what but its the most iconic, best mix of being offbeat and accessible. Operation Doomsday is just honest. Its like a demo but lyrically solid. After those, it depends on what you like about DOOM. Silly poo poo: Dangerdoom, The Prof. Meets the Super villain EP (find that) Street poo poo: King Geedorah(Take Me to Your Leader), Born like This, Monster Island Czars (Escape from Monsta Island) Sci-fi weird poo poo: Viktor Vaughn 2 (Venomous Villain), some of King Geedorah I don't gently caress with Unexpected Guests and the Doomilation, if you find those. Kinda boring remixes and lost tracks. Yikes, Sorcerers, All Out of Ale (certain remixes) are worthy singles from those compilations. There's a track, This is Dedicated to.. by this lil known producer Wale Oyejide that has a good Doom verse (Wale makes weird jazz, afrofunk, lounge type music). Black Bastards (KMD) is really good too. Its like a prototype Doom album, definitely influenced Operation Doomsday. Mr. Hood, the first KMD album, is sorta silly and whimsical. Definately an early 90's album. Peachfuzz is a good song that people have forgot about. KMD helped bring the Anaars and 5%'ers together, or so the old heads tell me. I'm pretty meh about Born like This. I bought JJ Doom, meh too. But Doom rewards repeat listening so it is hard to judge his stuff until you've had it on repeat for a month. temple fucked around with this message at 02:40 on Nov 15, 2012 |
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PSA: be careful about listening to No Love Deep Web in public places like the gym because you may get asked to leave because people think you are looking at pornography between sets. Trust me, no matter how you try to explain it, it doesn't sound good.
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Omerta posted:PSA: be careful about listening to No Love Deep Web in public places like the gym because you may get asked to leave because people think you are looking at pornography between sets. Are you so hardcore that you need to have the uncensored album cover? Just get the censored one and call it a day, nobody will think you're some porn freak.
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blitzkreig.bmp posted:Are you so hardcore that you need to have the uncensored album cover? Just get the censored one and call it a day, nobody will think you're some porn freak. Orrrr maybe because that's the image that came with the copy I downloaded and album covers automatically get copied to whatever device you upload them to from itunes. But way to be unnecessarily antagonistic -- that's an attitude this thread is sorely lacking.
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het posted:You say it's good to point out the cultural distance and then spend the rest of the paragraph criticizing doing exactly that. I don't think it's a one-or-the-other kind of deal, and I think that sites that have that cultural distance then distance their readers without their readers necessarily being aware of it. You can listen to the music and enjoy it and still be aware of the issues (the fact that this discussion is happening here is evidence of that). A lot of people buy into the white devil ruining hiphop type of discussion that isn't helpful. Pitchfork isn't the devil. Bloggers aren't the devil. Its funny for Das Racists (who are prophets) to call Rap Genius white devil sophistry. But that's the catch, they are just talking. You can take it or leave it. They aren't making a statement of fact. Its just an aside that they probably wouldn't care to defend if called to. From this morning to now, I've tried to find an analogy. I'll say hiphop is like Tom and Jerry where we watch rappers pretend beat up on each other and we know it might actually happen in reality too, but its still just a show. Its not to be taken seriously. Hiphop is like a fictional place that bloggers, Tall Israelis, strippers, and real street dudes can exist. You can't hold it all together without those forces. You can criticize it but you are only criticizing hiphop, not the people in reality. They are playing roles in the continuum. It is an art or entertainment (depending on the listener) but it separate from reality. But there are limits to the fantasy. When Pitchfork takes Chief Keef to the gun range, it offends our sensibilities. Because its blurring the line and sorta making his lyrics real. I think most hiphop citizens would have balked at the idea of taking a kid with legal issues and a love for violence to a gun range For Real and tape it. Taping it is what makes the whole thing wrong. It should have stayed on the other side, the real side that we don't get see. Taping Chief Keef, publishing the tape on their website along side the music sorta legitimizes something. I don't know what but real Chief Keef and rapper Chief Keef has to be separate. Like how Big got killed behind Tupac. It felt so wrong because the beef was supposed to stay in Hiphop land, not real life. You can say the same about Lil Reese attacking that woman. Saying all that, hiphop does exist in the real world. In the real world, hiphop is a product. I think Pitchfork confused their appreciation for Chief Keef and did what everyone else does with products. They exploited it. I think it was an honest mistake. I'm not saying stick your head in the sand and pretend bad things don't happen. But people need to recognize what perspective they are using to criticize the music. Are they looking at the art or the world that art exists? Long story short: you can exploit art or you can appreciate it. But when you exploit something, like Pitchfork taking Chief Keef to the gun range, you are taking it out of context. You are making something artistic and making it more than art. You are making it real(er) and even betraying it. But exploitation isn't really the fault of Pitchfork, exploitation is the modus operandi of a capitalistic society. So, you have to address the nature of exploitation before you address how it works in context to a particular artists or journalist.
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While we're doing the "help me get into X" I have a producer request - what are some of the best Alchemist tracks? I'm not super familiar with him, but I really like what I've heard on Mic Tyson. edit: \/\/\/\/ well yeah I looked at that but I was hoping for a small collection of highlights thathonkey fucked around with this message at 04:56 on Nov 15, 2012 |
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thathonkey posted:While we're doing the "help me get into X" I have a producer request - what are some of the best Alchemist tracks? I'm not super familiar with him, but I really like what I've heard on Mic Tyson. Honestly just go through and find rappers you like.
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Im far from an expert on the alchemist, but the solo album he released this year (russian roulette) is really good and worth checking out. The production is top notch throughout with most of the features on it killing their verses. Its in the style of like madvilliany where its lots of short, heavily sampled songs with a variety of rappers
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thathonkey posted:While we're doing the "help me get into X" I have a producer request - what are some of the best Alchemist tracks? I'm not super familiar with him, but I really like what I've heard on Mic Tyson. talk about a tall order. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoD5MwVvMnE Saigon - Stocking Cap https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABtXbshL4YI Big Noyd - Shoot 'em Up (Bang Bang) Part 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCCEQf0SL0U Jadakiss - We Gone Make It https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xc_bF4THtvQ Smut Peddlers - The Red Light http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQPrz9JjYW8 Lil Wayne - You Ain't Got Nuthin (Feat Juelz Santana and Fabolous) and lots of others.
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temple posted:I'm not saying stick your head in the sand and pretend bad things don't happen. But people need to recognize what perspective they are using to criticize the music. Are they looking at the art or the world that art exists? Long story short: you can exploit art or you can appreciate it. But when you exploit something, like Pitchfork taking Chief Keef to the gun range, you are taking it out of context. You are making something artistic and making it more than art. You are making it real(er) and even betraying it. But exploitation isn't really the fault of Pitchfork, exploitation is the modus operandi of a capitalistic society. So, you have to address the nature of exploitation before you address how it works in context to a particular artists or journalist. Also re: Rap Genius I actually saw a comment today that made me rethink things, it's got some pretty awful lows from people who I don't think realize the implications of what they're saying.
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cardedagain posted:talk about a tall order. I would also advise against listening to almost anything where he himself raps though, that's just me.
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thathonkey posted:While we're doing the "help me get into X" I have a producer request - what are some of the best Alchemist tracks? I'm not super familiar with him, but I really like what I've heard on Mic Tyson. Get 1st Infantry, Insomnia, Chemical Warfare to start. And mix in some of his old prod. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnHDjgOi2aQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjBDcGOCP4U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4DNH3P4e7s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utjOpVuKDvg TenaciousTomato fucked around with this message at 05:36 on Nov 15, 2012 |
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EATIN SHRIMP posted:I would also advise against listening to almost anything where he himself raps though, that's just me. unless it's this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GF6JpFgXlg
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here's an alt version of Kanye's track on The Man with the Iron Fists OST. doctor thodt posted:Big Boi sounds a lil sore about Andre. I'm glad there's no beef between them, but drat Dre, get your poo poo together...
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thathonkey posted:While we're doing the "help me get into X" I have a producer request - what are some of the best Alchemist tracks? I'm not super familiar with him, but I really like what I've heard on Mic Tyson. Tomorrow, Action Bronson is dropping a mixtape mostly produced by Alchemist, so if you're a fan of either it'll be worth picking up.
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I just got back from seeing Cunninlynguists and Freeway just liked a picture I took on Instagram. I feel the need to share this with the thread.
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Wezlar posted:I just got back from seeing Cunninlynguists and Freeway just liked a picture I took on Instagram. I feel the need to share this with the thread. I just saw an ad for a new Freeway album earlier but I haven't heard a Freeway track I liked since Flipside. Upon further investigation, the single is not so hot but it's not the Just Blaze track either. And what's the deal with Philly flows all being so monotonous. Freeway is a constant growl, Meek Mill is a constant whine. At least Gillie Da Kid had some pitch change. Whatever happened to him anyway, did Birdman have him bodied? Vodka might really be the best rapper out of Philly and I don't think he's ever dropped a real mixtape. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZZKpkKOWDk GET MONEY fucked around with this message at 11:07 on Nov 15, 2012 |
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thathonkey posted:While we're doing the "help me get into X" I have a producer request - what are some of the best Alchemist tracks? I'm not super familiar with him, but I really like what I've heard on Mic Tyson. Dilated Peoples - Worst Comes To Worst (Produced by Alchemist with a little GURU in there) And if you like that you should check out Dilated's Evidence as well Dilated Peoples - You Can't Hide, You Can't Run (Produced By Evidence) Not trying to start anything but I honestly can only think of this when I hear nearly anything new that people are excited about. Good flow is one thing but when you're using it to say mindless things AND the beat has no soul, I personally cannot see the appeal. Maybe I'm missing something. There are of course exceptions to this but they are rare. I suppose the question in all of that is does a good flow do enough for you by itself? Busta Rhymes feat. Q-Tip - You Can't Hold A Torch (Produced by J Dilla) Also stumbled on this jewel the other day. Adds some structure to the chaos that is ODB. Ol' Dirty Bastard - I Can't Wait (Je$u$ Remix) I wanna give a shout out to the submarines.
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GET MONEY posted:I just saw an ad for a new Freeway album earlier but I haven't heard a Freeway track I liked since Flipside. Upon further investigation, the single is not so hot but it's not the Just Blaze track either. And what's the deal with Philly flows all being so monotonous. Freeway is a constant growl, Meek Mill is a constant whine. At least Gillie Da Kid had some pitch change. Whatever happened to him anyway, did Birdman have him bodied? Gillie got arrested in connection with some drug houses 5 or 6 years ago and disappeared
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mogran posted:Not trying to start anything but I honestly can only think of this when I hear nearly anything new that people are excited about. Good flow is one thing but when you're using it to say mindless things AND the beat has no soul, I personally cannot see the appeal. Maybe I'm missing something. There are of course exceptions to this but they are rare. I suppose the question in all of that is does a good flow do enough for you by itself? Wait was this posed at me? Flow is very important, but it is probably the one element of a great rap song that can't stand on its own (the others, in my mind, being the beat/overall production, the lyrics themselves, and the rapper's voice - does this technically fall under flow?). There are rappers with a crap flow that I still enjoy because they have the other elements down, but if a rapper has poo poo beats and uninspired lyrics but a killer flow then I see very little appeal in listening to it.
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Not directed at you just trying to tread lightly. (But it does look like it looking again.)
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#RARECHANDELIERS http://t.co/g8cnn3Rg This is free/freely available, let me know if the link isn't kosher tho
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It was alright. Obviously Alc comes hard on almost every beat, but I dunno, Action's funny (can't say I don't love weed and food) but overuses Ghostface's flow  and gets killed on almost every feature.Kind of wish he wasn't even on the ScHoolboy track. Dig his verse on Sylvester Lundgren though. TenaciousTomato fucked around with this message at 19:12 on Nov 15, 2012 |
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Aaaand here is the Captain Murphy tape....in video form. http://www.captainmurphy.xxx/ There's some nsfw imagery in there.
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Anyone heard anything about Chuck Inglish's new thing? I thought it was supposed to be out already.
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Profondo Rosso posted:i dont understand why das racist blew up. I understand they rock the whole lazy rapping style but they just arent very... good at it. literally every feature I have heard from them has killed the song
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doctor thodt posted:Aaaand here is the Captain Murphy tape....in video form. I just finished watching this and....Jesus Christ, my brain hurts. That was awesome though. Apart from Tyler and Earl who I definitely heard in there, I can't get a good sense of who else was rapping (possibly Flying Lotus)? Production was real nice too (FlyLo, Just Blaze, Clams, Madlib, TNGHT, etc)
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Ugh how is it that these OFWGKTA scrubs can get such great producers to work with them? I'll get Captain Murphy just to hear those producers. And the possibility of Flying Lotus rapping sounds... horrific. I doubt that's the case. OFWGKTA probably just randomly grabbed one of their alleged 140 members to fill a feat spot. I'm especially pissed that if I want to hear FlyLo rap production, I p much have to endure some rear end in a top hat from OF trying to rap over it.
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Profondo Rosso posted:i dont understand why das racist blew up. I understand they rock the whole lazy rapping style but they just arent very... good at it. literally every feature I have heard from them has killed the song Their first two mixtapes were great. Their lyrics really clicked with me, probably because they're just a group of corny dudes who like rap, and their stable of producers are really dope. After those two mixtapes, though, they sort of fell off and I'm not checking for any of their solo projects. That Heems mixtape had dope production but I don't want an album full of Heems.
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thathonkey posted:Ugh how is it that these OFWGKTA scrubs can get such great producers to work with them? I'll get Captain Murphy just to hear those producers. And the possibility of Flying Lotus rapping sounds... horrific. I doubt that's the case. OFWGKTA probably just randomly grabbed one of their alleged 140 members to fill a feat spot. There's a lot of secrecy around the project so nobody knows exactly what the deal is, but I don't think it's like exclusively an Odd Future thing. The best theory I've heard so far is that it's a big collaborative project spearheaded by FlyLo that just features a bunch of different dudes. There's a lot of vocal distortion so it's hard to tell exactly who's on it.
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thathonkey posted:Ugh how is it that these OFWGKTA scrubs can get such great producers to work with them? I'll get Captain Murphy just to hear those producers. And the possibility of Flying Lotus rapping sounds... horrific. I doubt that's the case. OFWGKTA probably just randomly grabbed one of their alleged 140 members to fill a feat spot. The video was alright, I expected more animation and not just a big ol' video collage. The whole thing is a cool gimic and I wonder what else it's creator(s) will do with it.
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