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alansmithee posted:90% of southern rap is objectively bad, and if you disagree you're wrong. This kind of statement is just so wrong. Music is never objectively anything. I like all of this poo poo and not ironically. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRWLc6QFOP0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=592QBWrJzhQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-nX_j4pjUo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SB8NPiAxDyY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3acjhMjyIMo
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John Brown posted:So what about Cham(pre-"Good Morning"), Rick Ross, Bun B, Young Buck, Stat Quo, Jeezy, Z-Ro, Killer Mike, Field Mob(questionable), or Yelawolf? It's really a solid album if you can get over the hypocrisy and rampant homophobia. I've been giving it some pretty heavy spins.
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So I really want to get into some good hyphy music but I don't really know where to look aside from E-40. Point me in the right direction as I want to expand my hip hop knowledge.
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Cizzo posted:So I really want to get into some good hyphy music but I don't really know where to look aside from E-40. Point me in the right direction as I want to expand my hip hop knowledge. I'm not as well versed in the ways of the Bay but here's a few I like: You could try Keak Da Sneak http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0_tCIY3uFE or D-Lo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPoZWRyvqcM or even Haji Springer (yeah i like this poo poo) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMPRuyncdUk
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http://www.xxlmag.com/news/2011/03/killer-mike-to-give-live-interview-on-xxl/ Killer Mike and El-P spend 40 minutes talking about themselves and the joint album they're working on. ---- speaking of southern rappers, does anybody know much about this rapper from Memphis named marcus.? http://www.thisis50.com/profiles/blogs/marcus-the-buddy-pass-ft?xg_source=activity he released an album/mixtape that's available on datpiff and itunes called "the buddy pass" and it has david banner production and kurupt on it. plus, what's with giving out a sponsored free album download on datpiff (sponsored usually means the artist uploaded the album themself) and then also selling the same exact album on itunes for $10? cardedagain fucked around with this message at 07:18 on Mar 31, 2011 |
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Bloopsy posted:I'm not as well versed in the ways of the Bay but here's a few I like: I'd add recs for Mistah FAB and Cousin Fik. cardedagain posted:http://www.xxlmag.com/news/2011/03/killer-mike-to-give-live-interview-on-xxl/ 
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While it's not exactly living up to it's own title, I'm diggin' this one from Freeway - HAM Extreme - which was produced by Young L http://id8133.usershare.net/files/3/ui8443vzwr1rfs/freeway_-_ham_extreme_produced_by_young_l_from_the_pack.mp3
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cardedagain posted:http://www.xxlmag.com/news/2011/03/killer-mike-to-give-live-interview-on-xxl/ I'm really really excited for this album. El-P's my favorite producer ever. I hope this whole album is as dope as that snippet.
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Cizzo posted:So I really want to get into some good hyphy music but I don't really know where to look aside from E-40. Point me in the right direction as I want to expand my hip hop knowledge. Mac Dre http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xv_R6_TLoFc
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Last year I got into hip hop with A Tribe Called Quest, Midnight Marauders specifically. Since then I've been staunchly east-coast/"golden age"/New York hip hop with my favourites being Public Enemy, Quest, LL Cool J, Eric B. and Rakim, Big Daddy Kane, and the like, but lately I've been listening to 2Pac and I'm liking what I hear. Where should I go from here for more gangsta rap type hip hop?
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Sokrateez posted:Last year I got into hip hop with A Tribe Called Quest, Midnight Marauders specifically. Since then I've been staunchly east-coast/"golden age"/New York hip hop with my favourites being Public Enemy, Quest, LL Cool J, Eric B. and Rakim, Big Daddy Kane, and the like, but lately I've been listening to 2Pac and I'm liking what I hear. Where should I go from here for more gangsta rap type hip hop? Man you def gotta get on CB4 asap, west coast at it's rawest http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbzQRft7zGA heres another cut http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5-KIVrWmbM
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Sokrateez posted:Last year I got into hip hop with A Tribe Called Quest, Midnight Marauders specifically. Since then I've been staunchly east-coast/"golden age"/New York hip hop with my favourites being Public Enemy, Quest, LL Cool J, Eric B. and Rakim, Big Daddy Kane, and the like, but lately I've been listening to 2Pac and I'm liking what I hear. Where should I go from here for more gangsta rap type hip hop? Edit: You may also like Gheto Boys. Scarface had a great collab with Pac called "Smile"...add Camp Lo to that list. John Brown fucked around with this message at 14:52 on Mar 31, 2011 |
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If you really want to go down that path ("golden age") then just start going through labels, mixtapes, etc. Like, if you know you like Buckshot, etc, then listen to everything Duck Down put out, and then go through everyone who has produced for or worked with acts you like, such as, if you like Tribe, you'll probably love Pete Rock & CL Smooth.
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Sorry, maybe I wasn't clear. I've been listening to primarily east coast hip hop (political/"socially concious" amongst it, like Quest) but I just the other day found a few tracks I like from 2Pac and I'd like to start exploring west coast/gangsta rap and was wondering where to go from 2Pac.
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alansmithee posted:Couple of those I've heard before (Mac and 8ball & MJG, think my friend even had that album), wasn't impressed then and still remain unimpressed. 3 of the others were pretty much junk. Apparently having the actual ability to rap is optional for most southern poo poo. hip hop isn't always about being lyrical all the time. group home and ODB weren't lyrical but they made classic music. I sense that you're a hip hop herb that takes this poo poo way too seriously
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@Everyone who linked some good hyphy Keak Da Sneak: Awesome. Exactly what I was looking for. Coppers D-Lo: I dig it. Haji Springer: Not sure what to think here. Not a huge a fan but the beat is nice. Mac Dre: Basically AWESOME. The song 'Feelin Myself' has such a sick beat. Didn't this dude die though? Mistah FAB: Ghost ride the whip is probably going to be playing in my car about 10000x Cousin Fik: AMAZING. I love these hyphy beats. Kaboom is pretty legit. The one thing I really like about hyphy music is that bay area rappers usually have that accent when they rap and it oddly goes really well with any beat they rap over. Much appreciated for the recs.
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John Brown posted:So what about Cham(pre-"Good Morning"), Rick Ross, Bun B, Young Buck, Stat Quo, Jeezy, Z-Ro, Killer Mike, Field Mob(questionable), or Yelawolf? The 9th join is the only Banner album I've listened to, but it's pretty good. My understanding is that it's pretty different from his other stuff, so I haven't bothered to check any of that out. And gently caress a Yelawolf.
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juicy_J posted:hip hop isn't always about being lyrical all the time. group home and ODB weren't lyrical but they made classic music. I sense that you're a hip hop herb that takes this poo poo way too seriously Three 6 Mafia has influenced a lot of rap on the radio today IMO. Even if they weren't the best lyricists (except for Lord Infamous) they still put out dope albums. Same with B.G., Young Buck, Pastor Troy, many more. Just because it doesn't sound like your favorite rapper doesn't mean it's "90% objectively bad."
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Arnold of Soissons posted:
Forever and ever, amen. I'm really into this Death Grip stuff right now, enjoying the yelling industrial whateverthefuck you call it, but I like Cool Kids too so whatever.
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Sokrateez posted:Sorry, maybe I wasn't clear. I've been listening to primarily east coast hip hop (political/"socially concious" amongst it, like Quest) but I just the other day found a few tracks I like from 2Pac and I'd like to start exploring west coast/gangsta rap and was wondering where to go from 2Pac. Pretty much all the Death Row poo poo around that time-Chronic, Doggystyle, Dogg Pound, etc. "Murder Was the Case" soundtrack. It's been talked about recently and isn't really west coast, but E.1999 Eternal was a really good album (and Easy-E gave Bone their big break so there's a link). DJ Quik also has a lot of great west coast gangsta poo poo. I'm assuming you know about NWA. Really that's a bunch of music to start with, and if you need more I'm sure some other dudes could get more in-depth. juicy_J posted:hip hop isn't always about being lyrical all the time. group home and ODB weren't lyrical but they made classic music. I sense that you're a hip hop herb that takes this poo poo way too seriously It's ok if you like bad music, people (probably) won't think less of you. I sense you're insecure about your bad taste and lash out childishly whenever people call you on it. Cizzo posted:hyphy stuff Chade Johnson posted:Three 6 Mafia has influenced a lot of rap on the radio today IMO. Even if they weren't the best lyricists (except for Lord Infamous) they still put out dope albums. Same with B.G., Young Buck, Pastor Troy, many more. Just because it doesn't sound like your favorite rapper doesn't mean it's "90% objectively bad." Jock Mocken posted:it's not all hyphy stuff (I Got 5 On It is number 1), but check out this Complex list of the 50 best Bay Area songs. fwiw I agree that Super Hyphy is totally the best hyphy song: That's a cool list, but yeah it's pretty heavy on the non-hyphy stuff imo. Although I do think it really shows how a small area can have a varied, quality rap culture (NY TAKE NOTES, IT'S NOT THE 90's ANYMORE). alansmithee fucked around with this message at 19:27 on Mar 31, 2011 |
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alansmithee posted:TBH if you're gonna speak about what hip-hop is, it would add more weight if your screen name was KRS-1 rather than some southern clown. Also I don't know how you could pick Group Home and ODB as not being lyrical, that's just retarded. I agree that you don't have to be lyrical all the time, but it is good if you have at least some basic ability to rap. Most southern dudes don't even have that basic ability, sorry. On top of that, the production is hit-or-miss. you're a super regressive hip hop fan dude. hip hop was partially born in parties and clubs and a lot of down south poo poo is a modern extension of that. I like KRS 1 alot too but you're crazy if you think he's done anything relevant with his last few albums. he was the poo poo back in the c delores tucker days but he's just boring now. the only people who buy his albums today are 40 year olds and europeans also, you don't know what you're talking about if you think group home and ODB are lyrical. premier even admitted that dap and mal couldn't rhyme well, and ODB's draw was his personality not his mic skills juicy_J fucked around with this message at 20:18 on Mar 31, 2011 |
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In the Tao of Wu the RZA talks about hearing "hip hop and you don't stop" repeated over and over at a house party and falling in love with rap. If the MC had been a Canibus with "lyrical catastrophy apathy killing emcees with degrees of precision lyrical terrorism" the world might not have Wu Tang.
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juicy_J posted:if it was 1995 right now alansmithee would be complaining about mobb deep being ignorant while he listened to afrika bambaataa tapes wondering why nobody wanted to hang out with him lmao loving brilliant
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juicy_J posted:you're a super regressive hip hop fan dude. hip hop was partially born in parties and clubs and a lot of down south poo poo is a modern extension of that. Wouldn't making music now that isn't any different or better than poo poo made 30 years ago be considered regressive? The problem with south poo poo isn't that it can be played at parties, the problem is that outside of parties it's mostly unlistenable. ANY music with a halfway danceable beat is party music. The problem with the south (as I've repeatedly pointed out) is that the actual MC (the guy supposedly rapping) rarely, if ever, can do that. So you have songs that would be better as instrumentals (maybe get some R&B dude to sing a hook). I mean compare it to hyphy which is definitely party music-the vast majority of those dudes actually add something being on the track. The vast majority of southern dudes take poo poo away from being on a track. And that's why it's bad music. The KRS-1 thing was because he's also someone else who likes to spout about what hip-hop is. I haven't heard anything he's done I liked in the last 20 years. I don't think Group Home was that bad lyrically (if they grew up in the south they'd sound like Rakim or something comparatively) but ODB's first album def was lyrically nice. Second wasn't at the same level as far as rhymes go but the first was on point for sure.
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Yeah guys you're not gonna convince alansmithee of anything I've tried (though he did admit to liking at least one Gucci song). And to be fair, there are a lot of lovely southern rappers (there are a lot of lovely rappers from everywhere though), but he's wrong about one major point: most southern poo poo is made for cars, not for clubs. Have you seen how much nothing there is in the south?! anyway, it's a pointless argument but whoever bought him his new avatar made me laugh alansmithee posted:That's a cool list, but yeah it's pretty heavy on the non-hyphy stuff imo. Although I do think it really shows how a small area can have a varied, quality rap culture (NY TAKE NOTES, IT'S NOT THE 90's ANYMORE). Yeah, though he did originally mention 40, who's not really a hyphy rapper though he did make a couple songs. Jock Mocken fucked around with this message at 21:54 on Mar 31, 2011 |
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alansmithee posted:(NY TAKE NOTES, IT'S NOT THE 90's ANYMORE). Now ask me what I think about Nas after Illmatic.
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alansmithee posted:Wouldn't making music now that isn't any different or better than poo poo made 30 years ago be considered regressive? The problem with south poo poo isn't that it can be played at parties, the problem is that outside of parties it's mostly unlistenable. ANY music with a halfway danceable beat is party music. The problem with the south (as I've repeatedly pointed out) is that the actual MC (the guy supposedly rapping) rarely, if ever, can do that. So you have songs that would be better as instrumentals (maybe get some R&B dude to sing a hook). I mean compare it to hyphy which is definitely party music-the vast majority of those dudes actually add something being on the track. The vast majority of southern dudes take poo poo away from being on a track. And that's why it's bad music. swag. swag is the answer you're looking for.
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alansmithee posted:Wouldn't making music now that isn't any different or better than poo poo made 30 years ago be considered regressive? The problem with south poo poo isn't that it can be played at parties, the problem is that outside of parties it's mostly unlistenable. ANY music with a halfway danceable beat is party music. The problem with the south (as I've repeatedly pointed out) is that the actual MC (the guy supposedly rapping) rarely, if ever, can do that. So you have songs that would be better as instrumentals (maybe get some R&B dude to sing a hook). I mean compare it to hyphy which is definitely party music-the vast majority of those dudes actually add something being on the track. The vast majority of southern dudes take poo poo away from being on a track. And that's why it's bad music. http://youtu.be/3M7jMZ3iNyM
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juicy_J posted:http://youtu.be/3M7jMZ3iNyM Why would he say it to his face when the Juiceman can't rap?
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Bulging Nipples posted:I get the feeling this is gonna be decisive in this thread but A.Dd+ dropped a free album today. They're out of Dallas; I've been following these guys for a bit, and they've grown on me. It's not going to be everyone's cup of tea, it's a really weird album. I get the feeling Andre 3000 is a huge influence of theirs, though they're no where near his level. Production is nice. Going back to this, finally took the time to listen and it's real nice, liking this a lot. The ones you mentioned are nice, also really dug Erica & Jamie and Smell My Cologne. I see some of the Andre 3000 influence (a couple tracks would've fit in on Love Below imo) but it's not too heavy and they still do their own thing. You know who does the production cause it's really very varied? Jock Mocken posted:Yeah, though he did originally mention 40, who's not really a hyphy rapper though he did make a couple songs. juicy_J posted:http://youtu.be/3M7jMZ3iNyM I don't understand, are you trying to disprove me or agreeing with me? That's a great example of ridiculous Lex Luger beats being wasted on some clown. Seriously the song's better with the track and the drops, perfect example of what I was talking about. It's rare when someone's so bad at something (in this case, rap) that you can honestly say they'd be doing less harm to society going back to selling on corners (if he was actually doing that). Although I shouldn't hate too much, I'm sure these are the exact types of fools Gibbs was thinking he was better than that caused him to start rapping so that's cool. And since we're doing the whole youtube thing, I got one just for you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTEvs2gkP6U alansmithee fucked around with this message at 02:06 on Apr 1, 2011 |
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alansmithee posted:I don't understand, are you trying to disprove me or agreeing with me? That's a great example of ridiculous Lex Luger beats being wasted on some clown. Seriously the song's better with the track and the drops, perfect example of what I was talking about. It's rare when someone's so bad at something (in this case, rap) that you can honestly say they'd be doing less harm to society going back to selling on corners (if he was actually doing that). 
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Bloopsy posted:That doesn't mean poo poo these days.
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John Brown posted:That doesn't mean poo poo these days. Well that's just too bad I guess.
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Sokrateez posted:Sorry, maybe I wasn't clear. I've been listening to primarily east coast hip hop (political/"socially concious" amongst it, like Quest) but I just the other day found a few tracks I like from 2Pac and I'd like to start exploring west coast/gangsta rap and was wondering where to go from 2Pac. some things that haven't been mentioned: you mentioned liking public enemy? check out ice cube's amerikkka's most wanted and death certificate. amerikkka's most wanted especially. great production and cube spits hard. obviously the chronic. and if you want something more recent, maybe the game?
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defmacro posted:some things that haven't been mentioned: Yeah AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted was actually produced by the Bomb Squad, right? also anyone who likes Pac* should listen to some Z-Ro though it ain't that he sounds like Pac; he sounds like stress. Boosie is another rapper that draws Pac comparisons *actually everyone should listen to Z-Ro
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Jock Mocken posted:Yeah AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted was actually produced by the Bomb Squad, right? One time a girl asked me if I liked Tupac. I started laughing and said "Uhhh he's loving Tupac how is that a question" What I'm saying is if you legitimately don't like Pac you should post a loving banme.
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