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temple: Jul 29, 2006; I have actual skeletons in my closet

The Doo Do Chasers posted:

Just heard this kreayshawn track.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNoTZJInDx8

Its boring. Nothing really personal or unique about it. If you are going to talk about the same stuff as everyone else, then you need a different approach. I can't put my finger on it but she doesn't have an appeal outside of being the only white girl in the room.

temple fucked around with this message at 15:06 on Jul 26, 2011

# ¿ Jul 26, 2011 15:04

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# ¿ Apr 25, 2024 17:49

temple: Jul 29, 2006; I have actual skeletons in my closet

Kreayshawn is a hiphop act on the Internet. Disregarding dudes listening to hiphop on the Internet is like disregarding half the audience for her music.

edit: If anything, she's like a white MIA except MIA makes good music.

temple fucked around with this message at 16:44 on Jul 26, 2011

# ¿ Jul 26, 2011 16:27

temple: Jul 29, 2006; I have actual skeletons in my closet

There's room for Kreayshawn but I can't even begin to care about YET ANOTHER YOUTUBE RAPPER just because she's a white girl from Oakland that uses bad language.

I like this song more, so that's 1 for 3 at least.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMFsJiAcELY

temple fucked around with this message at 22:41 on Jul 26, 2011

# ¿ Jul 26, 2011 22:29

temple: Jul 29, 2006; I have actual skeletons in my closet

I think 9/11 ushered in a lot of conspiracy nuts.

# ¿ Sep 3, 2011 10:44

temple: Jul 29, 2006; I have actual skeletons in my closet

Bluetooth human being posted:

What do I call the kind of stuff that Gucci does? I'm in an argument with someone at work that says Gucci is awesome and he flows like a mofo. I play him Das Efx, Lupe, Royce or whatever and he just calls me old. I'm fine with him liking Gucci, I just want to go, no this is "so and so" and this is "mad loving flow."

Either way, what do I call the stuff he does? I want a name to search for while I do research.

Ok, I lied the boy does not appreciate flow and I want to shove his face in it. I've played him all sorts of things, and it's getting to the point where I really do think I'm just old.

Gucci does have flow. It the way he ties the words together more so than the words themselves. All rappers have it but most are either boring or biting someone else. Gucci is entertaining in the small doses I've taken him.

temple fucked around with this message at 16:30 on Sep 5, 2011

# ¿ Sep 5, 2011 16:27

temple: Jul 29, 2006; I have actual skeletons in my closet

Mos Def suffers from Nasty Nas syndrome as neither one can recapture their initial charm.

# ¿ Sep 8, 2011 04:36

temple: Jul 29, 2006; I have actual skeletons in my closet

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lu1glrMvsPo

The originator

# ¿ Sep 11, 2011 20:34

temple: Jul 29, 2006; I have actual skeletons in my closet

Charles Hamilton has a new mixtape out, C.A.T.S. Can

Charles dissing everyone, saying stuff we already know
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYSjdhn9iKM

# ¿ Sep 24, 2011 21:20

temple: Jul 29, 2006; I have actual skeletons in my closet

nbv4 posted:

http://www.karmalooptv.com/2011/10/weezy-f-baby-public-service-announcement

oh wheezy...

Lil Wayne is too old for this poo poo. "The Barack Obama of Bugatti." I'm the glad the Internet is here to archive all this ignorance.

# ¿ Oct 9, 2011 23:42

temple: Jul 29, 2006; I have actual skeletons in my closet

The best way for me to explain Pac is comparing him to Jay Z now. You may not like Jay Z but to say he sucks or isn't relevant is pretty moronic. Pac in the 90's was a trend setter and a huge influence on pop culture at least in hiphop circles. Too much revisionism has been written about him and it's really annoying.

There are no true elements in hiphop. A lot of NY culture or urban culture was integrated into hiphop. The elements that people associate with hiphop would have still been around. Its the whole DJ+MC thing that makes it something different. The rhyming that was just carry-overs from funk, soul, and blaxploitation merged into something different when DJs started looping beats. In a lot of ways, the whole DJ'ing aspect of hiphop is in its own catagory because it would have existed whether or not people rapped or not. The synergy of the two makes hiphop was it is. When people talk about elements, they are either talking about stuff said in Beat Street or something KRS-ONE said. But if you look at hiphop nationally or even globally, there isn't a clear unity in the culture or music outside of DJ'ing and emceeing.

warzero. posted:

well, i've seen a lot of people post that hip hop is made of four things; mc'ing, dj'ing, dancing and something else (i think),

edit: not dress but beatbox....and graffiti, its five. But people are subjective about that because I remember BEP first came out, they were true to most of that and people knocked them for being corny. The same for Soulja Boy. He had his own style of dress, dance, produced, rhymed, and had graffiti on his glasses. But people still rag on him. That's why I don't respect the idea of hiphop elements because people change the rules to suit them.

temple fucked around with this message at 08:31 on Oct 30, 2011

# ¿ Oct 30, 2011 08:26

temple: Jul 29, 2006; I have actual skeletons in my closet

Who Gotch Ya posted:

Because he can't spit. You don't have to change any rules to know that a dude can't rap for poo poo. You could have every hip hop element tattooed on your dick but if you're a weak MC you're a weak MC.

Missy can't spit, Biz Markie can't spit, a lot of rappers are beloved and aren't the best lyricists. Hiphop doesn't have to be about lyricism and this is why I hate when people bring up elements or aspects. Because it leaves out people or gets warped to fit people's individual taste. I don't want to be the champion of Soulja Boy by any means but he just as much hiphop as Joe Ski Love doing the Pee Wee Herman.

warzero. posted:

not being a dick, but can you clarify? i just don't really know what you mean by that.

I grew up with 2Pac and until Biggie and Jay Z, I can't imagine a bigger person in the hiphop culture in the 90's. Even people like Nas or Snoop had to show respect.
Since he passed; people have said Pac wasn't honestly living the gangster lifestyle, Pac wasn't a lyricist, Pac had only one flow, Pac never had a classic, Pac was gay, Pac was all hype/no musical prowess. I think his back log of music wasn't up to par as his studio albums and that dimmed his legacy. Deathrow whored out his music and left him and his mother bankrupt. Then, a lot of critics and NY sympathizers have said things about Pac which would have been heresy or scoffed back at in the 90's. Funk Master Flex something about Pac last winter and it would have never flown when Pac was living. Not in a rapid ICP fan retaliation kind of way. It was that EVERYONE liked 2Pac on some level and he was a household name. Your mother knew about 2Pac and this was before the social media explosion. Pac was huge in an everyman way. I have a chip on my shoulder at how the media has exploited his music and image to represent something smaller than what he was. He also got the rap for instigating the East/West rivalry when that was mostly Suge Knight and the media's fault. Badboy has also white washed a lot of their role in the 90's but they played along with the beef.

# ¿ Oct 30, 2011 19:49

temple: Jul 29, 2006; I have actual skeletons in my closet

alansmithee posted:

So you hate when people bring up "elements or aspects" but your whole defense of Soulja boy being "hip-hop" is he supposedly checks all the arbitrary boxes on some list of elements you made up? :Cmonson:

This is dense. I brought that up because people don't actually care about those elements. Otherwise, they would like Soulja Boy.

But about Pac, if you can't see his influence, then I guess you just wasn't around in his heyday. Pac made it cool to be introspective. Pac made it cool to be political but not in an academic or in a militant way. It made it cool to criticize America from a common man kind of way that I can't describe. It was more like the Gil Scott Heron than the Black Panthers. Pac made it cool to have a shaved head, bandanas, and tattoos. I mean, you can't remove his influence because time has passed. And he made it cool to be crip which isn't good but whatever.

I mean, who had a more emotional delivery than Pac? The only person from his era I could you see name is Scarface. Who had a deeper influence on other rappers and culture? Biggie? Who would you say rivaled him legitimately?

edit: You named Scarface, which I predicted. LOL.

temple fucked around with this message at 02:21 on Oct 31, 2011

# ¿ Oct 31, 2011 02:17

temple: Jul 29, 2006; I have actual skeletons in my closet

Scarface was cool but the Gheto Boys were national occasionally and regional most days. Outside of Scarface's solo stuff, which was much later, and Minds Playing Tricks on Me, Scarface wasn't on most people's consciousness. Like who can name 3 songs by Scarface that aren't Minds Playing Tricks on Me, Smile, and My Block?

# ¿ Oct 31, 2011 02:24

temple: Jul 29, 2006; I have actual skeletons in my closet

I'm from the South. NY is insular so NY doesn't count in my book. I'd be surprised if a NY person to listened to something from outside their borough. But I have a lot of friends from Harlem and the Bronx and they don't like anything outside their hometown favs.

# ¿ Oct 31, 2011 02:32

temple: Jul 29, 2006; I have actual skeletons in my closet

alansmithee posted:

Lots of dudes have a delivery that's as or more emotional that Pac. That wasn't my point though, my point was that it wasn't his delivery or w/e that lead to his success, it was all the extraneous BS around him (which Ras Het essentially summarized in his comment earlier).

What I'm asking is who else made it prominent? Who was bigger as far as influence than Pac?

As far as introspection, maybe Nas. But Nas is a whole different discussion that's appropriate for the Immortal Technique vein of pseudo intelligent rap. And Pac and Nas were pretty much peers in that.

# ¿ Oct 31, 2011 02:34

temple: Jul 29, 2006; I have actual skeletons in my closet

alansmithee posted:

You're totally missing the point. The point isn't that Tupac wasn't/isn't influential. The point is WHY he was influential.

And Tupac is WAY closer to Immortal Technique in pseudo-political BS than Nas. Nas only sounds retarded when he speaks, his songs are usually quite good for that (because for a large part they tend to avoid trying to sound "political"); when he falls into that though he's mostly just as bad as the other two.

I take issue with the revisionism I've seen trotted out time and time again that Pac was popular due to hype. But there wasn't a hype machine around him other than his talent. The hype came after his death, as did the criticism. But like I said, no one would have criticized Jay Z after Vol 2 up until recently because you would have been laughed out of the discussion. Likewise for Pac, no one questioned his talent or his popularity in the 90's until after he died. Then the critics came out the wood works.

# ¿ Oct 31, 2011 02:45

temple: Jul 29, 2006; I have actual skeletons in my closet

Who Gotch Ya posted:

I'm in NYC and I don't know anybody who only listens to people from their hometown or even gives half a poo poo about where somebody is from as long as they can rap.

Well I treat NY as one sphere and everyone else as another. Just going back down the hiphop history, Big L was huge in NY but he wasn't really known outside of the Ebonics song. My friends from Harlem go on and on about Big L but honestly, casual listeners and people outside of NY didn't feel that hype. But the difference is big in NY will leak out whereas big in another region doesn't mean much.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzyaAuPh1lE

I think hiphop fans have no sense of scope and it won't come for a while. I see the same discussions about Nirvana and grunge. Its who gets on the national stage that ultimately has the impact. Regional players might invent something but if it doesn't grow, no one cares. I could say the same about Face but I don't even want to get into a pissing contest about who had more emotion or first. I'm just going to say that Pac's intensity and Face's were different. But Pac was the one that really made the national stage and made it his.

# ¿ Oct 31, 2011 03:45

temple: Jul 29, 2006; I have actual skeletons in my closet

Its more like girls liked 2pac and he played into it therefore he was all hype. Unless the guy is morbidly obese or has huge embarrassing lips, then he can't possibly be successful from his talent.

# ¿ Oct 31, 2011 04:36

temple: Jul 29, 2006; I have actual skeletons in my closet

farmtrill posted:

the production for some of that asap dude was ok but his raps are nothing special. kinda feel like people are becoming a lot more accepting of southern type poo poo but only in a more familiar context. an ny dude doing it southern style with some clams casino beats and people hail him as the saviour of NY

If you listened to what was coming out of Texas 10 years ago, ASAP Rocky doesn't have anything to offer you.

# ¿ Nov 12, 2011 04:55

temple: Jul 29, 2006; I have actual skeletons in my closet

the black husserl posted:

Here is a link to the "rack city" music video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCFnewbghps

I did the vibe of this song. I had to consciously start listening to rappers younger than me and they have some singles. But I can't listen to a whole album by anyone under 30. There are exceptions of course (like Charles Hamilton).

# ¿ Nov 13, 2011 02:06

temple: Jul 29, 2006; I have actual skeletons in my closet

dethkon posted:

Actually I spent most of this morning thinking about Drake and why his success bothers me so much, and how there aren't any more real rap hero's or superstars for the new generation. Great article, gives me some more to think about.

Drake won't last. See: JaRule, Nelly, LLCooL (post Mama Said Knock You Out), and every female friendly rapper. Fab has lasted a while but he switches back and forth between super thug-ladies man enough to still have some credibility.

Might as well leave this here. "Ghost Face" on Take Care. Easily the funniest poo poo this year http://bigghostnahmean.blogspot.com/2011/11/big-ghost-presents-take-care-review.html

# ¿ Nov 14, 2011 22:59

temple: Jul 29, 2006; I have actual skeletons in my closet

Wale seems like a really solid dude but he's just boring to me. He doesn't have a hook. Like Drake, as corny as he is, has a gimmick and every now and then I'm in the mood for it. But I can't figure out where Wale fits into the rotation. He's from the DMV but that means gently caress all to hiphop and he's not go-go enough for his own region. He's like a stepchild.

# ¿ Nov 15, 2011 02:56

temple: Jul 29, 2006; I have actual skeletons in my closet

Peedi Crakk is cool in my book. Chris and Neef are one of the most underrated duos in the past 10 years. Jay bit Chris's style straight up. The rest aren't popping. The problem with State P is that they came out at the tail end of the rapping rear end thug dude era. The Lox started the whole notion of a JV team to the label's varsity crew. But the Lox had 2 solid rappers (Kiss and Styles) that still get love. I never expected State P to be top 40's but they should have been relevant longer. Even Beans faded and let himself get caught up in the streets. Freeway was a gimmick and he rightfully fell off. All that beard swinging and whiny voice poo poo was cool for a hot second.

G-Unit surprisingly had hits but they were the swan song IMO. I dig Banks, Game, and Buck. But without 50's rise, they wouldn't be poo poo. Game has had success but without 50, he'd be Bishop Lamont.

This is pure speculation but I gotta guess plenty of those dudes are still doing dirt to make ends meet. Or they are ghostwriting. Or both. If they came from the streets, I can't see them waiting around for Puff or Dame to feed them when its time to eat. Wu talks about it all the time. They want to put people on but people are hustling backwards.

temple fucked around with this message at 22:48 on Nov 15, 2011

# ¿ Nov 15, 2011 22:43

temple: Jul 29, 2006; I have actual skeletons in my closet

http://www.xxlmag.com/bangers/2011/11/ludacris-bada-boom/
Luda dissing Drake and Big Sean over the hastag flow. That hashtag stuff isn't hot to begin with. I loved Luda when he came out (pause) but he's really feeling himself.

# ¿ Nov 16, 2011 06:02

temple: Jul 29, 2006; I have actual skeletons in my closet

Someone mentioned Field Mob: Shawn J has issues with Luda, calls him a bitch, says Luda stole his ringtone royalities, and bunch of other stuff. Worldstar link

# ¿ Nov 17, 2011 06:37

temple: Jul 29, 2006; I have actual skeletons in my closet

The only white rapper I like is Simon Rex.

temple fucked around with this message at 16:58 on Nov 19, 2011

# ¿ Nov 19, 2011 16:55

temple: Jul 29, 2006; I have actual skeletons in my closet

Yeah I listened to Big Sean on Kanye's GOOD mixtape. He isn't someone that I'm dying to hear more from or even curious about.

# ¿ Nov 20, 2011 16:15

temple: Jul 29, 2006; I have actual skeletons in my closet

Medicine show is the poo poo. But only the short ones. The long rear end 40 beat collection stuff is hit and miss.

I've avoided Gibbs. He's nice but I guess I have to listen to him. Madlib makes everything better.

# ¿ Nov 22, 2011 03:11

temple: Jul 29, 2006; I have actual skeletons in my closet

New Common. Celebrate. Meh

# ¿ Nov 22, 2011 04:04

temple: Jul 29, 2006; I have actual skeletons in my closet

That's a good song. The transformers part was funny.

# ¿ Nov 24, 2011 03:19

temple: Jul 29, 2006; I have actual skeletons in my closet

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkHjH0gKI3Y Shawn J of Field Mob responding to Luda's Bada Bing

# ¿ Nov 26, 2011 16:21

temple: Jul 29, 2006; I have actual skeletons in my closet

No Ticket posted:

Stream the new Roots album... http://www.npr.org/2011/11/28/142873013/first-listen-the-roots-undun

e: welp, can't see myself listening to that ever again.

I'm checking this out. Does anyone still like the Roots? I read a big argument over this at a SOHH surrogate forum. The Roots haven't been inspired in a while.

# ¿ Nov 30, 2011 05:50

temple: Jul 29, 2006; I have actual skeletons in my closet

UP AND ADAM posted:

I've liked all the Roots' recent albums. Do you mean that they haven't been inspired while performing on the Jimmy Fallon show? Because they played a song entitled Lyin Bitch when Michelle Bachmann came on the show, so.

Their latest albums have been pretty boring and they should have hung it up after Phrenology. I know I've listened to them all at least once and couldn't name any song they've done in a long time.

The Bachmann stunt wasn't impressive, creative, or mature. I don't see the value in musically calling a woman a bitch on national TV even if it is true.

# ¿ Dec 1, 2011 04:32

temple: Jul 29, 2006; I have actual skeletons in my closet

Producers have been shying away from samples since hiphop started. I'd say this is the lowest point for samples, outside of maybe break beats or if you are someone like Kanye with a huge budget. Note: Mixtapes don't count as they aren't commercial and you can't sell them without getting into a poo poo load of trouble.

# ¿ Dec 5, 2011 05:57

temple: Jul 29, 2006; I have actual skeletons in my closet

That slick rick song is noice. He's in my town but I can't go

# ¿ Dec 8, 2011 03:37

temple: Jul 29, 2006; I have actual skeletons in my closet

quote:

The pop world has left rap behind, save four or five rappers, and it's opened a door for someone like Mac Miller to seize the college-aged, white-male fanbase. If that fanbase is interacting less with rap music, then maybe they've rallied around Miller because he also barely engages with the wider rap world.

That's my whole gripe with the current Frat Rap phenomenon. If you want to suck, fine. But can we agree that some of this stuff sucks without being labeled a hater.

# ¿ Dec 8, 2011 22:42

temple: Jul 29, 2006; I have actual skeletons in my closet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5M7MZh_bvjg

KRS-ONE trying to scare the poo poo out of people. I like it though. Quoting numbers makes it true.

# ¿ Dec 11, 2011 00:51

temple: Jul 29, 2006; I have actual skeletons in my closet

Forever on the late bus but I'm digging Danny Brown
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzhtHZmPvxg

# ¿ Dec 15, 2011 00:37

temple: Jul 29, 2006; I have actual skeletons in my closet

Danny Brown sounds like the dude from Pharcyde. Infinite cred points.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAfrhmIvZ_s

# ¿ Dec 15, 2011 11:49

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# ¿ Apr 25, 2024 17:49

temple: Jul 29, 2006; I have actual skeletons in my closet

Yeah its funny to criticize Oh Boy and but ignore Hey Ma. Like, who doesn't know all the words to Hey Ma?

# ¿ Dec 17, 2011 19:24

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