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Roymega
Oct 10, 2004

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Cobra Commander posted:

Listening to Oneirology for the first time, I'm about halfway through Predormitum and it's pretty cool so far. I'm a fan of backpacker Rhymesayers stuff so this should be pretty up my alley right?

Definitely.. And if you haven't already, check out Kno's solo project released back in October -- Death Is Silent

Can't praise that album enough

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Roymega
Oct 10, 2004

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Royce Da 5'9'' is great at riding a beat..
Royce Da 5'9'' - Dinner Time [feat. Busta Rhymes]

Tech N9ne spits insanely fast, best example of this is ~2:30 of:
Tech N9ne - Crybaby

Speaking of Tech... Anyone hear about the collabo he's doing with Tyler the Creator? Definitely looking forward to that

Roymega
Oct 10, 2004

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When I think southern rap I think Nappy Roots.. Not necessarily their sound, but their content and overall vibe. I'm also a white kid from the midwest so take it for what it's worth... A friend turned me on to this song awhile ago though, Collective Efforts - Let It Alone.. It's relatively old, but captures the same vibe I get from Nappy Roots. Again, I don't claim to be any sorta Dr. of hip-hop, I just like what hits my ear drum right

Edit: Where'd this B.o.B diss even come from? He just trying to feed off Tyler's hype? I never took him for a diss track type of artist.. And yeah, I can see why.. Just a lame track lyrically, the beat wasn't bad though.. Bet Tyler would tear it up haha

Roymega fucked around with this message at 12:00 on Mar 28, 2011

Roymega
Oct 10, 2004

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Bluetooth human being posted:

Royce Da 5'9" and Slaughterhouse is actually the reason I started listening to rap in the first place. It started with The One, and just grew from there.

Is Tech N9ne the guy who does that song about Malibu, Pineapple or something else (basically rapping about a mixed drink or something)? Cause I hate that song, but never heard anything else by him. Crybaby is pretty good so far though.

Edit: Found it just after I posted. Caribou Lou. Was there another version of it? My sister-in-law would play it all the damned time.

Yeah Royce is a good start into hip-hop honestly; not too-mainstream, but not exactly underground, and he keeps good company. As far as good Tech songs, I agree with caveman, Anghellic is vintage Tech, he's got a lot of hidden gems too...

Rock N' Rollin'
Leave Me Alone
Red Nose
I'm A Playa
poo poo Is Real

I respect the hell outta the guy, being an aspiring musician myself, building his label from the ground up and selling a million albums without a major label is admirable no matter if you like his music or not

Roymega
Oct 10, 2004

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alansmithee posted:

The other thing I almost always say is like what you like. You can choose to defend it or not, but I'd say 99.97% of people like something that could def be considered suspect by someone so it's not unusual.

This x1000, so many people are worried about what they like and what people will think about it... OR they basically like the "safe" choices (i.e. what just played on the radio/CD/iPod/what have you).. Like what YOU like, I hate people that are intolerant of other people's tastes..

..Now that's not to say quit bashing everyone that just *LOVES* Lil' Wayne lololz... and I'm all for educating the ignorant, but stuff hits people's ears different.. and everyone's entitled to their own opinion (except Lil Wayne, shut him & his ghost writers up immediately please)

Oh and did I mention how much I don't like Lil' Wayne?

Edit: On the topic of Raekwon -- Snake Pond -- beat is sick

Roymega
Oct 10, 2004

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Cee-Lo & Ben Harper are supposed to headline a music festival in my hometown this summer..

And on the topic of OFWGKTA, new track: Domo Genesis & Hodgy Beats - Tang Golf

Roymega
Oct 10, 2004

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Whoever recommended the new Self-Scientific EP a couple pages ago (I think it was this thread?), thank you. Shits on repeat.

On an unrelated note, Pusha T - I Still Wanna Rock [feat. Rick Ross & Ab-Liva] is such a sick song... "You know what fame is? Sittin' with the woman of your dreams and forgettin' what her name is/You know what pain is? Flushin' two bricks and tryna have a n-gga strain it out the drainage"

Roymega
Oct 10, 2004

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vanbags posted:

Why isn't Pusha T bigger than he is? I mean the guy raps about the same poo poo as anyone else: girls, money, cars, and cocaine. "Alone In Vegas" was my favorite track off Fear of God and the video is just as great.

"Alone In Vegas" video.

Such a sick song

Roymega
Oct 10, 2004

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robin hoodz theory posted:

I just booked a couple tickets for the Rhymesayers tour in London but it occurred to me I am shamefully ignorant when it comes to Atmosphere, what albums/tracks do you guys recommend I listen to so I wont be standing around like a oval office during their set.

Trying To Find A Balance
Always Coming Back Home To You
Your Glasshouse
Feel Good Hit Of The Summer 2
Don't Forget
The Woman With The Tattooed Hands

Roymega
Oct 10, 2004

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Derv1sh posted:

I think it's fair to say Phrenology and Game Theory were low points, but Rising Down, How I Got Over and the latest disc are very, very good albums. They don't have the same feel as the early stuff with Malik, but they still stand up to other discs released at the same time. IMO, How I got over is the very definition of a sleeper. The more I listen to it, especially PORN's flow on Walk Alone, the better it gets.

New album is no different. Even if the intro song is a waste of time.

I actually liked the intro..

@Agreed: as far as "instrumentation" being a gimmick, what do you mean?

Roymega
Oct 10, 2004

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Agreed posted:

There are people who (usually don't like rap, but) think that they've got something really special because they play instruments, unlike other rappers who just steal pieces of real music. It's a lovely viewpoint and the wikipedia sourced statement introducing them as "famed for still including live instruments" or something to that effect is 15 years old, so I'd hope that it's not seen as invalidating other rappers, just what they're on. Legitimate and cool, not better than "just because" though.

Ahh ok, yeah I feel ya.. Invalidating a rapper for using live instruments? Nahhh, I always give mad props for artists that actually play instruments at their shows.. That's what music is.. I mean don't get me wrong, I love hip-hop, but it is (nowadays anyway) a genre overrun with samples and people that don't even bother learning anything other than how to chop other people's music to their liking

Roymega
Oct 10, 2004

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temple posted:

Producers have been shying away from samples since hiphop started. I'd say this is the lowest point for samples, outside of maybe break beats or if you are someone like Kanye with a huge budget. Note: Mixtapes don't count as they aren't commercial and you can't sell them without getting into a poo poo load of trouble.

Ok, I admit I over-generalized to try and make a point. Basically what I wanted to say was a lot of artists don't take the time to learn how to play an instrument anymore because it's easier to use a VST or sample to produce the same result.

Roymega
Oct 10, 2004

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alansmithee posted:

Yeah man all those lazy porch monkeys, just too busy with their 40s and marijuana cigarettes to learn how to play music like a REAL MUSICIAN. "Like" this if you believe in REAL music like Def Leppard and no autotuned garbage and jungle music 3 days ago

Why take my words out of context like that? I didn't imply that at all..

Roymega
Oct 10, 2004

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Agreed posted:

The history of "rappers just use _______, they should play real instruments" is kinda racist. There's a term for it that gets used, "rockist," because it diminishes the effort and legitimacy of hip-hop and sampling (which has a really rich history, you should check out the kind of effort that used to go into combing through record shops for old funk and soul records especially, finding a great, rare record could mean having a seriously hot beat) and promotes REAL musicians instead. But sampling is a form of musical expression. You don't just end up with the same thing that you had before, it's a new synthesis of the sample, everything around it, and the rapper's vocals.

Sampling is an art form too, the tools have gotten more sophisticated but that's true of every other musical field too except classical, where it's sort of genre-bound to stay the same minus some experimental folks (e.g. the interesting experiments done with heavily curved bows under the inference that they were likely considered when a piece was composed).

Since there is a history of discrimination wrapped up in the language used to diminish sampling, expect reactions like (maybe not that extreme, it's alansmithee, but with the same basic premise) when you say things like that. You're not a shithead just because you said something uncool, but it's an opportunity to learn why that's not so accurate :)

Right, I understand that.. I wasn't trying to say that sampling isn't a legit way of making music, I produce myself, so I understand a lot of what goes into producing good music.. I just don't appreciate when words are put in my mouth so-to-speak. Guess I just gotta get to know the posters a little better

Roymega
Oct 10, 2004

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snyprmag posted:

It is pretty obnoxious how any amount of critique can get one called on "hating." It seems to give a reason for dude's to brush off any complaints without any self reflection.

Yup

Roymega
Oct 10, 2004

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Yeah I been diggin' Danny Brown for awhile but agree with everyone on his voice... It's an acquired taste.. Kinda like Pusha-T and Kendrick Lamar

Roymega
Oct 10, 2004

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bows1 posted:

I can't stop listening to that cartoons and cereal joint

ditto

Roymega
Oct 10, 2004

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farmtrill posted:

they arent out smoking blunts with lil wayne and doing songs with waka

if that's your depiction of the rap scene then I feel very sorry/bad for you

Roymega
Oct 10, 2004

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farmtrill posted:

you know exactly what i mean so get off your high horse fight music guy, wayne and waka are 2 relevant cultural signifiers i used as an example, to properly define the 'rap game' is going to be an essay long post.

we can all sit here and pretend that anything with a rap in it automatically makes it part of the 'rap game' but that would make for some confusing admissions. for example limp bizkit have a much more solid claim to being part of the rap game than death grips do, they are signed to cash money and have collabed with quite a few rap dudes, hell, fred durst has even rapped over a premo beat.

is saul williams part of the rap game? is kid rock part of the rap game? do blondie get a pass because of that one cars n bars n stars song? does anyone care? what does the 'rap game' mean to you?

While I agree I still say just because you're in the "game" doesn't mean you're a "player".. You think these guys are sitting around arguing about what genre their music falls into? gently caress no

Roymega
Oct 10, 2004

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alansmithee posted:

well to use your nonsensical analogy death grips aren't in the game, they're not a player, and they are only vaguely aware there's some activity going on.

also i've not seen one actual "rap dude" bring up their album whatsoever. in the "rap game world" it might as well not have existed (hell, i heard about it from some indie rock list)

And to see your nonsensical correlation between my "nonsensical" analogy and what I was actually referring to, I can see why you may think that. I was talking about the OP in which you depicted rap as "smoking blunts with lil wayne and doing songs with waka". Just because Drake is considered in the game, does not in fact make him a rapper, dude is an actor playing the part.. And vice versa with Death Grips.. Just because some people may think of them as a rap group, does not in fact put him in the rap game.

Labeling music goes against everything music stands for, which is the overall message I was trying to relay here

Roymega
Oct 10, 2004

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40 lbs to freedom posted:

every single analogy or talking point of hopsin has been said or been done to death. he might be able to rap but the fact that he is still saying things like "rap is dead and i'm its savior" like there havent been 500 different people saying that is just annoying. he can rhyme/flow i guess but his subject matter just isnt compelling at all. danny brown on the other hand is a unique character that is saying and rapping about things that are surprising/funny which is why he is worth listening to.

This.

It's like he's a good cover band of Led Zeppelin.. Yeah he's good, but whens he gonna play some of his own poo poo? He's trying to hard to live up to a gimmick

Roymega
Oct 10, 2004

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thunderthief posted:

Sometimes people got run over during the ever popular ghost riding of the whip, and I was definitely threatened with death over a turkey sandwich, a guy killed himself jumping off the Metreon, one time a tweaker pulled a syringe on me and got away with $13...good times for sure

How you gonna get stuck up with a syringe? Do you weigh 110 lbs?

Roymega
Oct 10, 2004

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thunderthief posted:

Haha, I was like 19 (this was like 2002) - the dude stole tips off some tables while I was working night cashier at Mel's diner. Dude sat down right next to the door with a reciept hanging out of his pocket. I said "are you ready to pay your bill sir?". He jumped up all tweaky and was like "I don't have a bill", at which point the russian waiter dude came running over and yelled "you steal my loving tips!". The crack smoking gentlemen insisted he did not when it was quite clear that he had swiped the tips from the far table. The russian body blocked him, and we both proceeded to stomp him and kick him. At which point I mentioned we were being recorded by the store security camera, the russian replied he didn't give a poo poo, but this provided an opportunity for the tweaker to squirm out and pop up like a crack snake. He whipped out a syringe, stabbed at each of us a few times from quite close. I decided my tip money wasn't worth AIDS but the russian still kinda wanted to fight him, he chased him like another block. The police never came when we called them, as was thr routine on Friday/Saturday night.

ahaha touche.. I'm from the meth capital in Iowa so I know all about tweakers, best believe.. Used to work overnight at a Kum n Go in a so-so neighborhood and bounced at a bar for a couple years.. I'm a huge night owl so that shift is honestly not that foreign to me (11-7am-ish), so I'm never surprised by the characters you run into late at night.. Crazy rear end out of their skull drug users have no set demographic, I don't care where you're from

Roymega
Oct 10, 2004

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goldblums eyes posted:

have you ever seen Prof live? his music isn't the best but he has probably the most energetic stage presence here (to my knowledge)

Quoted for truth.. I always liked Rocketman (feat. Yelawolf) but until I saw him live I didn't really "get" Prof.. And the show sold me.. I don't care if you're the most critical-I-hate-anything-I-don't-already-listen-to rap critic out there, he woulda had you bobbin' your head.. This song is especially nice live --> A Month From Now

e: I suck

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Roymega
Oct 10, 2004

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Cool Buff Man posted:

Yeah definitely let's speculate about which rap boys like to get naked with other boys and kiss them too

This..

TenaciousTomato posted:

Lold IRL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWXcUfyN_yo

Frank ocean is gay.

Whoda thought.

and, this.

Made my summer. That is all.

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