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ElwoodCuse
Jan 11, 2004

we're puttin' the band back together
Vice City Stories actually had commercials for Evacuator, the movie Vice City said Exploder was the sequel to.

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Jupiter Jazz
Jan 13, 2007

by sebmojo
I wish they'd make fake radio stations again.

"Let's hope those missing witnesses turn up safe and sound!"

kri kri
Jul 18, 2007

They really should do Hong Kong or Tokyo, but it will probably be Miami or LA again :(

Wungus
Mar 5, 2004

kri kri posted:

They really should do Hong Kong or Tokyo, but it will probably be Miami or LA again :(
Tokyo would work in the same way that London 1969 worked; there's honestly not that many iconic cities in the world that you could parody and still have it be obvious where you're parodying. Like how Vice City was obviously Miami, San Andreas was obviously LA, GTA4 was obviously New York. People who have never been to these places can tell what they're based on from pop culture. Honestly, the only other "iconic" places I can think of that they haven't done are Tokyo and a generic "Europe" which would have a Sicilian/Grecian coastal town, a Venice knockoff, a bunch of weed cafes, an Eiffel Tower parody and a whole lot of assholes who think they're better than you because over half their pay gets taken in taxes.

Stay Safe
Sep 1, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
You can't make fun of America well in those cities.

Jupiter Jazz
Jan 13, 2007

by sebmojo

Whalley posted:

Tokyo would work in the same way that London 1969 worked; there's honestly not that many iconic cities in the world that you could parody and still have it be obvious where you're parodying. Like how Vice City was obviously Miami, San Andreas was obviously LA, GTA4 was obviously New York. People who have never been to these places can tell what they're based on from pop culture. Honestly, the only other "iconic" places I can think of that they haven't done are Tokyo and a generic "Europe" which would have a Sicilian/Grecian coastal town, a Venice knockoff, a bunch of weed cafes, an Eiffel Tower parody and a whole lot of assholes who think they're better than you because over half their pay gets taken in taxes.

What about Washington DC?

Wungus
Mar 5, 2004

Latis posted:

You can't make fun of America well in those cities.
Europe's been making fun of America just fine for a long while now. Besides, National Lampoon's European Vacation made pretty good fun of America despite being entirely not set in America. I'd rather it get set in a parody of

Himuro posted:

What about Washington DC?
but it's not like it would be impossible to set it in Europe.

DC would be pretty cool, so long as you accurately depicted how loving confusing the Metro system is the first time you use it. Also all the political monuments and locations would be fantastic to steal a motorbike and ride it over. If they set one in DC I would really want an accurate depiction of Dupont Circle because I'm awesome with learning roads and streets and when I was there a couple years ago it was so confusing. Triangle-shaped city blocks mess with my head.

WHOOPS
Nov 6, 2009

Whalley posted:

Europe's been making fun of America just fine for a long while now. Besides, National Lampoon's European Vacation made pretty good fun of America despite being entirely not set in America. I'd rather it get set in a parody of
but it's not like it would be impossible to set it in Europe.

DC would be pretty cool, so long as you accurately depicted how loving confusing the Metro system is the first time you use it. Also all the political monuments and locations would be fantastic to steal a motorbike and ride it over. If they set one in DC I would really want an accurate depiction of Dupont Circle because I'm awesome with learning roads and streets and when I was there a couple years ago it was so confusing. Triangle-shaped city blocks mess with my head.

Really? Of all the subway systems I have used, the DC Metro has been by far the easiest to understand. Is it that they charge your fare based on distance traveled that you think is confusing for first timers?

And I think a DC knockoff with all the monuments and what not would be very distinctive and fun, albeit small. I can only imagine the new wave of poo poo that would come about from people being able to gun down politicians and what not, though.

fuckpot
May 20, 2007

Lurking beneath the water
The future Immortal awaits

Team Anasta
They need to get rid of airports. They are a total waste of space.

Iacen
Mar 19, 2009

Si vis pacem, para bellum



KFCB posted:

Really? Of all the subway systems I have used, the DC Metro has been by far the easiest to understand. Is it that they charge your fare based on distance traveled that you think is confusing for first timers?

And I think a DC knockoff with all the monuments and what not would be very distinctive and fun, albeit small. I can only imagine the new wave of poo poo that would come about from people being able to gun down politicians and what not, though.

I would love it if Donald Love returned in such a world. I liked Donald Love and him as a crooked politician with presidential dreams would be neat!

Wungus
Mar 5, 2004

KFCB posted:

Really? Of all the subway systems I have used, the DC Metro has been by far the easiest to understand. Is it that they charge your fare based on distance traveled that you think is confusing for first timers?
It was my first subway and the sheer number of bridges and platforms facing all different directions, combined with having to pre-purchase tickets for distances that I had no idea I'd be travelling sent me into sensory overload :ohdear:

I even came from a city that had totally bangin' public transport!

Friar Zucchini
Aug 6, 2010

fuckpot posted:

They need to get rid of airports. They are a total waste of space.

Disagreed. Half the fun in GTA4 MP is the airport. And if you don't mind tweaking handling.dat a bit, you can make your car indestructible so you can have all the fun you want in SP regardless of that ridiculous 4-star wanted rating.

Someone mentioned that consoles have good driving mechanics and PC has good shooting mechanics - I got a XBox 360 controller for my PC and I can switch between that and the keyboard/mouse at will. The little "push this button to do something" messages change too.

Friar Zucchini fucked around with this message at 16:46 on Apr 8, 2011

That Awful Nick
Oct 7, 2008

"I've got the knowledge!"

nerdly_dood posted:

Disagreed. Half the fun in GTA4 MP is the airport.

Absolutely. Getting a group of friends together playing the free play multiplayer, getting everybody in Annihilators, and just going back and forth strafing the waves of police ineffectively chasing you along the tarmac at the airport is the most fun thing you can do without having to use your brain. We have a couple of Xbox's and TV's in our house, so sometimes on weekends we just group up and go nuts on the NPC's. It takes no brain effort whatsoever. Drunken GTAIV helicopter parties were a highlight of my undergrad gaming experience.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius

nerdly_dood posted:

Disagreed. Half the fun in GTA4 MP is the airport. And if you don't mind tweaking handling.dat a bit, you can make your car indestructible so you can have all the fun you want in SP regardless of that ridiculous 4-star wanted rating.

Someone mentioned that consoles have good driving mechanics and PC has good shooting mechanics - I got a XBox 360 controller for my PC and I can switch between that and the keyboard/mouse at will. The little "push this button to do something" messages change too.

I did this in Mafia 2 and it worked great. The only problem is that I wanted to play GTAIV so bad, and at the time it seemed like it would never come out for PC that I bought a 360 and GTAIV. I wish they would just do all three at once next time. It's BS that the PC version is always released later. The only reason why the PC version sells less than the console version is because by the time it comes out, everyone has already played the console version.

WHOOPS
Nov 6, 2009

Whalley posted:

It was my first subway and the sheer number of bridges and platforms facing all different directions, combined with having to pre-purchase tickets for distances that I had no idea I'd be travelling sent me into sensory overload :ohdear:

I even came from a city that had totally bangin' public transport!

That is understandable, actually. However you can purchase the rest of your fare at the end of your ride so long as your card has minimum fare. There is always a bank of fare machines at the exits.

LvK
Feb 27, 2006

FIVE STARS!!

Himuro posted:

I wish they'd make fake radio stations again.

"Let's hope those missing witnesses turn up safe and sound!"

One thing I hated about GTA IV was the radio. I loved the soundtrack to death, it had so much good music from all over the spectrum. What I didn't like was that they dropped any pretense of being real. Like, the old ones (outside of music) at least pretended to be FCC compliant. GTA IV has all sorts of cursing every which way and it's honestly a bit offputting. Not even the cursing, just the fact it's on the radio.

Also the guest voices on the radio, they stopped even pretending to be fun and unique characters (that were not-so-secretly more than a little based on the real artists portraying them) and just yelled "I'm a celebrity musician and I'm fulltime DJing for some reason! Here's my song!"

Old Grasshopper
Apr 7, 2011

"Patience, young grasshopper."

LvK posted:

One thing I hated about GTA IV was the radio. I loved the soundtrack to death, it had so much good music from all over the spectrum. What I didn't like was that they dropped any pretense of being real. Like, the old ones (outside of music) at least pretended to be FCC compliant. GTA IV has all sorts of cursing every which way and it's honestly a bit offputting. Not even the cursing, just the fact it's on the radio.

Also the guest voices on the radio, they stopped even pretending to be fun and unique characters (that were not-so-secretly more than a little based on the real artists portraying them) and just yelled "I'm a celebrity musician and I'm fulltime DJing for some reason! Here's my song!"

I wasn't a great fan of the radio stations in most of the games, however when "Integrity 2.0" came in on GTA IV I couldn't stop myself from giggling :) Lazlow is a very funny man, after listening to that I had to check out the actual radio show he did. So so so funny... If they have more like "Integrity 2.0" in whatever the next game is I'll be happy!

Jupiter Jazz
Jan 13, 2007

by sebmojo

LvK posted:

One thing I hated about GTA IV was the radio. I loved the soundtrack to death, it had so much good music from all over the spectrum. What I didn't like was that they dropped any pretense of being real. Like, the old ones (outside of music) at least pretended to be FCC compliant. GTA IV has all sorts of cursing every which way and it's honestly a bit offputting. Not even the cursing, just the fact it's on the radio.

Also the guest voices on the radio, they stopped even pretending to be fun and unique characters (that were not-so-secretly more than a little based on the real artists portraying them) and just yelled "I'm a celebrity musician and I'm fulltime DJing for some reason! Here's my song!"

Well to be fair, DJ Stretch Armstrong in GTA3 is a real DJ.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
The problem with Integrity 2.0 is that the whole thing is about five minutes long. And no matter when I tune into it, it's always at the hotdog vendor part. An actual full fledged station with Lazlow would be amazing.

Jupiter Jazz
Jan 13, 2007

by sebmojo
Just bring back Maurice Chavez and his Pressing Issues talk show.

VCPR - The whole thing here

LvK
Feb 27, 2006

FIVE STARS!!

Himuro posted:

Well to be fair, DJ Stretch Armstrong in GTA3 is a real DJ.

So was Mr. Magic in VC. I guess I have less problem when they're DJs in real life, or maybe I have double standards.

Scalding Coffee
Jun 26, 2006

You're already dead

Cojawfee posted:

The problem with Integrity 2.0 is that the whole thing is about five minutes long. And no matter when I tune into it, it's always at the hotdog vendor part. An actual full fledged station with Lazlow would be amazing.
I had the same issue with GTAIII and driving a vehicle in the third island. It is always "rush, rush" like it was the only song rich people listened to.
VC had the best songs anyway and driving anywhere wouldn't result in random instant death.

Books On Tape
Dec 26, 2003

Future of the franchise
Las Vegas setting, 1970s, doing jobs for/going up against mafia-run casinos.

Make it happen.

K8.0
Feb 26, 2004

Her Majesty's 56th Regiment of Foot
GTA4 + TLAD + BOGT is $9.95 at Direct2Drive today only. If you don't own it, and you don't buy it, you're a certifiable dumbass.

Hank Morgan
Jun 17, 2007

Light Along the Inverse Curve.
One thing I really hope they implement in future games is the police evasion system from Chinatown Wars. Unlike most of the other games where you had to avoid the cops in order to reduce the wanted level, in Chinatown Wars you had to disable the cop cars. The higher your level the more cop cars you had to disable. It was a lot more fun and you had to be a lot more proactive when being chased.

Jupiter Jazz
Jan 13, 2007

by sebmojo
Thank reminds me.

GTAIV's wanted system sucked rear end.

It was like The Warriors except not good.

Cage
Jul 17, 2003
www.revivethedrive.org

Hank Morgan posted:

One thing I really hope they implement in future games is the police evasion system from Chinatown Wars. Unlike most of the other games where you had to avoid the cops in order to reduce the wanted level, in Chinatown Wars you had to disable the cop cars. The higher your level the more cop cars you had to disable. It was a lot more fun and you had to be a lot more proactive when being chased.
Yeah, GTA4 was a step in the right direction in that you could actually lose the cops just by driving well, but its still not perfect.

Soupballin
Mar 27, 2011
I remember playing GTA so much I started to try and drive everywhere going the speed limit, stopping at stop lights, not hitting other cars. It was actually kind of fun for a little bit.

Jupiter Jazz
Jan 13, 2007

by sebmojo

Cage posted:

Yeah, GTA4 was a step in the right direction in that you could actually lose the cops just by driving well, but its still not perfect.

I thought it was terrible. You get right right outside the circle and a cop car spawns, making you start all over again. I thought it made chases just busy work instead of being fun. What's more, I can't think of one chase in GTA4 where I had to memorize routes.

In the older games, I memorized routes for bribe locations so I could strategically plan out my escapes.

Playing like that is unnecessary in IV.

War Pig
Nov 14, 2007

Civilization is crumbling.

Himuro posted:

In the older games, I memorized routes for bribe locations so I could strategically plan out my escapes.

Playing like that is unnecessary in IV.

Thank god.

Cage
Jul 17, 2003
www.revivethedrive.org

Himuro posted:

I thought it was terrible. You get right right outside the circle and a cop car spawns, making you start all over again. I thought it made chases just busy work instead of being fun. What's more, I can't think of one chase in GTA4 where I had to memorize routes.

In the older games, I memorized routes for bribe locations so I could strategically plan out my escapes.

Playing like that is unnecessary in IV.
That sounds lot a lot of trouble, what happens when you get 5 or 6 stars? How long does it take to drive around to collect all those? Seems like it would be boring taking the same route everytime to lose the cops.

If you get outside the circle and a cop spawns then you weren't paying attention to the radar. Cops won't just spawn in the middle of it, they'll always come from the edges. Its more than enough time to stop and change directions so that they never see you.

Jupiter Jazz
Jan 13, 2007

by sebmojo
I don't see how it's a lot of trouble; half the fun of GTA games is memorizing every street, every layout, picking with the cops, and having a big badass chase where you outrun or drive by knowing every single street.

It's why taxi missions exist in GTA games: to help get a feel of the city and memorize streets.

When you have 5 or 6 stars, it's still easy to get down to zero stars by just knowing where bribes are. It doesn't get boring because you never know where you may encounter some cops in a mission and have to get rid of your wanted level.

I find IV's system far more repetitive and less engaging because it's usually just "drive out of the circle", except this is arbitrarily extended by random cop spawns which ruins the thrill of the chase.

Jupiter Jazz fucked around with this message at 00:53 on Apr 9, 2011

King Vidiot
Feb 17, 2007

You think you can take me at Satan's Hollow? Go 'head on!

Cage posted:

If you get outside the circle and a cop spawns then you weren't paying attention to the radar. Cops won't just spawn in the middle of it, they'll always come from the edges. Its more than enough time to stop and change directions so that they never see you.

Yeah, the cops aren't just magically appearing. The cops you run into outside of the patrol circle are cops that just happened to be driving around, or were on their way to the circle. The higher your wanted level, the more likely there'll be cops surrounding the circle or driving around. It actually feels more like an escalating police manhunt than just "oh that guy hit a police car with his car, send every single police patrol after him, one at a time, on a city-wide chase... also all our cops are psychic".

As far back as GTA 3 I wanted to be able to actually lose the cops instead of using a Pay n' Spray or police bribe. I wanted the challenge of having to outmanuever the cops chasing me and take new routes on-the-fly instead of memorizing a bunch of hidden icons. GTA IV finally delivered, and I think that most people were satisfied, even the ones that insisted the game was horrible because it was "too serious".

Jupiter Jazz
Jan 13, 2007

by sebmojo
I dunno. It always seemed like I was home free, and then some cop spawns out of nowhere and I have to play the goose chase all over again.

And in later missions, it just becomes too easy because all it is,"drive outside the circle."

I definitely preferred where they were going when they did The Warriors.

Car Stranger
Feb 16, 2005

Whalley posted:

a whole lot of assholes who think they're better than you because over half their pay gets taken in taxes.
Funnily enough, this is one of the reasons why (educated) Europeans make fun of (uneducated) Americans.

But yeah thanks for displaying your amazing ignorance of the rest of the world. I think a GTA set outside of America would be pretty fun so long as it didn't degenerate into taking advantage of stereotypes (which it couldn't, because an entire game with humour based on that would be boring as hell).

Zigmidge
May 12, 2002

Exsqueeze me, why the sour face? I'm here to lemon aid you. Let's juice it.
Himuro is just a masochist. I just started playing GTA:SA because of this thread and after having played IV so much, running from the cops now loving sucks rear end. I don't know if I can bother memorizing all the bribe spots again.


Driving well should be the only way to escape wanted levels for ever and ever into the future. I would say that car spawning just beyond the last known location range is supposed to represent them cutting you off because you're taking an obvious route. Dodging left and right down side streets worked pretty consistently at shaking the fuzz.

Red_Mage
Jul 23, 2007
I SHOULD BE FUCKING PERMABANNED BUT IN THE MEANTIME ASK ME ABOUT MY FAILED KICKSTARTER AND RUNNING OFF WITH THE MONEY
Some people on the first page suggested Pacific Northwest GTA, Some people also suggested the Future as a setting.

Why has microsoft not licensed Shadowrun to Rockstar for a 360/GFWL exclusive yet? Someone get on that.

Zigmidge
May 12, 2002

Exsqueeze me, why the sour face? I'm here to lemon aid you. Let's juice it.
For the record, driving aside, everything else about SA has been so much more fun than IV.

ElwoodCuse
Jan 11, 2004

we're puttin' the band back together

LvK posted:

One thing I hated about GTA IV was the radio. I loved the soundtrack to death, it had so much good music from all over the spectrum. What I didn't like was that they dropped any pretense of being real. Like, the old ones (outside of music) at least pretended to be FCC compliant. GTA IV has all sorts of cursing every which way and it's honestly a bit offputting. Not even the cursing, just the fact it's on the radio.

The rap station in San Andreas played everything uncensored, although Julio G at least referenced the FCC when he played I Just Don't Give A gently caress.

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Wungus
Mar 5, 2004

Car Stranger posted:

Funnily enough, this is one of the reasons why (educated) Europeans make fun of (uneducated) Americans.

But yeah thanks for displaying your amazing ignorance of the rest of the world. I think a GTA set outside of America would be pretty fun so long as it didn't degenerate into taking advantage of stereotypes (which it couldn't, because an entire game with humour based on that would be boring as hell).
I'm not an American~

Also every GTA game takes every opportunity it can to take advantage of stereotypes and expand upon them what are you talking about

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