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ElwoodCuse
Jan 11, 2004

we're puttin' the band back together

Vice City Stories actually had commercials for Evacuator, the movie Vice City said Exploder was the sequel to.

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Himuro
Jan 13, 2007

by Y Kant Ozma Post


I wish they'd make fake radio stations again.

"Let's hope those missing witnesses turn up safe and sound!"

kri kri
Jul 18, 2007



They really should do Hong Kong or Tokyo, but it will probably be Miami or LA again

Whalley
Mar 5, 2004

i'll kill who you hate
take off that dress you won't freeze

kri kri posted:

They really should do Hong Kong or Tokyo, but it will probably be Miami or LA again
Tokyo would work in the same way that London 1969 worked; there's honestly not that many iconic cities in the world that you could parody and still have it be obvious where you're parodying. Like how Vice City was obviously Miami, San Andreas was obviously LA, GTA4 was obviously New York. People who have never been to these places can tell what they're based on from pop culture. Honestly, the only other "iconic" places I can think of that they haven't done are Tokyo and a generic "Europe" which would have a Sicilian/Grecian coastal town, a Venice knockoff, a bunch of weed cafes, an Eiffel Tower parody and a whole lot of assholes who think they're better than you because over half their pay gets taken in taxes.

Dead Man Posting
Sep 1, 2008

You know nothing, TVIV.


You can't make fun of America well in those cities.

Himuro
Jan 13, 2007

by Y Kant Ozma Post


Whalley posted:

Tokyo would work in the same way that London 1969 worked; there's honestly not that many iconic cities in the world that you could parody and still have it be obvious where you're parodying. Like how Vice City was obviously Miami, San Andreas was obviously LA, GTA4 was obviously New York. People who have never been to these places can tell what they're based on from pop culture. Honestly, the only other "iconic" places I can think of that they haven't done are Tokyo and a generic "Europe" which would have a Sicilian/Grecian coastal town, a Venice knockoff, a bunch of weed cafes, an Eiffel Tower parody and a whole lot of assholes who think they're better than you because over half their pay gets taken in taxes.

What about Washington DC?

Whalley
Mar 5, 2004

i'll kill who you hate
take off that dress you won't freeze

Latis posted:

You can't make fun of America well in those cities.
Europe's been making fun of America just fine for a long while now. Besides, National Lampoon's European Vacation made pretty good fun of America despite being entirely not set in America. I'd rather it get set in a parody of

Himuro posted:

What about Washington DC?
but it's not like it would be impossible to set it in Europe.

DC would be pretty cool, so long as you accurately depicted how loving confusing the Metro system is the first time you use it. Also all the political monuments and locations would be fantastic to steal a motorbike and ride it over. If they set one in DC I would really want an accurate depiction of Dupont Circle because I'm awesome with learning roads and streets and when I was there a couple years ago it was so confusing. Triangle-shaped city blocks mess with my head.

DangerKat
Nov 5, 2009

i'm lovin' it!


Whalley posted:

Europe's been making fun of America just fine for a long while now. Besides, National Lampoon's European Vacation made pretty good fun of America despite being entirely not set in America. I'd rather it get set in a parody of
but it's not like it would be impossible to set it in Europe.

DC would be pretty cool, so long as you accurately depicted how loving confusing the Metro system is the first time you use it. Also all the political monuments and locations would be fantastic to steal a motorbike and ride it over. If they set one in DC I would really want an accurate depiction of Dupont Circle because I'm awesome with learning roads and streets and when I was there a couple years ago it was so confusing. Triangle-shaped city blocks mess with my head.

Really? Of all the subway systems I have used, the DC Metro has been by far the easiest to understand. Is it that they charge your fare based on distance traveled that you think is confusing for first timers?

And I think a DC knockoff with all the monuments and what not would be very distinctive and fun, albeit small. I can only imagine the new wave of poo poo that would come about from people being able to gun down politicians and what not, though.

fuckpot
May 20, 2007

Lurking beneath the water
The future Immortal awaits

Team Anasta


They need to get rid of airports. They are a total waste of space.

Iacen
Mar 19, 2009

Si vis pacem, para bellum



KFCB posted:

Really? Of all the subway systems I have used, the DC Metro has been by far the easiest to understand. Is it that they charge your fare based on distance traveled that you think is confusing for first timers?

And I think a DC knockoff with all the monuments and what not would be very distinctive and fun, albeit small. I can only imagine the new wave of poo poo that would come about from people being able to gun down politicians and what not, though.

I would love it if Donald Love returned in such a world. I liked Donald Love and him as a crooked politician with presidential dreams would be neat!

Whalley
Mar 5, 2004

i'll kill who you hate
take off that dress you won't freeze

KFCB posted:

Really? Of all the subway systems I have used, the DC Metro has been by far the easiest to understand. Is it that they charge your fare based on distance traveled that you think is confusing for first timers?
It was my first subway and the sheer number of bridges and platforms facing all different directions, combined with having to pre-purchase tickets for distances that I had no idea I'd be travelling sent me into sensory overload

I even came from a city that had totally bangin' public transport!

Friar Zucchini
Aug 6, 2010



fuckpot posted:

They need to get rid of airports. They are a total waste of space.

Disagreed. Half the fun in GTA4 MP is the airport. And if you don't mind tweaking handling.dat a bit, you can make your car indestructible so you can have all the fun you want in SP regardless of that ridiculous 4-star wanted rating.

Someone mentioned that consoles have good driving mechanics and PC has good shooting mechanics - I got a XBox 360 controller for my PC and I can switch between that and the keyboard/mouse at will. The little "push this button to do something" messages change too.

Friar Zucchini fucked around with this message at Apr 8, 2011 around 15:46

That Awful Nick
Oct 7, 2008

Excuse me, sir. Can I see your license and registration?


nerdly_dood posted:

Disagreed. Half the fun in GTA4 MP is the airport.

Absolutely. Getting a group of friends together playing the free play multiplayer, getting everybody in Annihilators, and just going back and forth strafing the waves of police ineffectively chasing you along the tarmac at the airport is the most fun thing you can do without having to use your brain. We have a couple of Xbox's and TV's in our house, so sometimes on weekends we just group up and go nuts on the NPC's. It takes no brain effort whatsoever. Drunken GTAIV helicopter parties were a highlight of my undergrad gaming experience.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006

THE CLAMPS!
or clamp like device


nerdly_dood posted:

Disagreed. Half the fun in GTA4 MP is the airport. And if you don't mind tweaking handling.dat a bit, you can make your car indestructible so you can have all the fun you want in SP regardless of that ridiculous 4-star wanted rating.

Someone mentioned that consoles have good driving mechanics and PC has good shooting mechanics - I got a XBox 360 controller for my PC and I can switch between that and the keyboard/mouse at will. The little "push this button to do something" messages change too.

I did this in Mafia 2 and it worked great. The only problem is that I wanted to play GTAIV so bad, and at the time it seemed like it would never come out for PC that I bought a 360 and GTAIV. I wish they would just do all three at once next time. It's BS that the PC version is always released later. The only reason why the PC version sells less than the console version is because by the time it comes out, everyone has already played the console version.

DangerKat
Nov 5, 2009

i'm lovin' it!


Whalley posted:

It was my first subway and the sheer number of bridges and platforms facing all different directions, combined with having to pre-purchase tickets for distances that I had no idea I'd be travelling sent me into sensory overload

I even came from a city that had totally bangin' public transport!

That is understandable, actually. However you can purchase the rest of your fare at the end of your ride so long as your card has minimum fare. There is always a bank of fare machines at the exits.

LvK
Feb 27, 2006

HA, Too-Ticki! We haven't been to the wild west for nothing!


Himuro posted:

I wish they'd make fake radio stations again.

"Let's hope those missing witnesses turn up safe and sound!"

One thing I hated about GTA IV was the radio. I loved the soundtrack to death, it had so much good music from all over the spectrum. What I didn't like was that they dropped any pretense of being real. Like, the old ones (outside of music) at least pretended to be FCC compliant. GTA IV has all sorts of cursing every which way and it's honestly a bit offputting. Not even the cursing, just the fact it's on the radio.

Also the guest voices on the radio, they stopped even pretending to be fun and unique characters (that were not-so-secretly more than a little based on the real artists portraying them) and just yelled "I'm a celebrity musician and I'm fulltime DJing for some reason! Here's my song!"

Erslich
Apr 7, 2011

'Sup bitches?


LvK posted:

One thing I hated about GTA IV was the radio. I loved the soundtrack to death, it had so much good music from all over the spectrum. What I didn't like was that they dropped any pretense of being real. Like, the old ones (outside of music) at least pretended to be FCC compliant. GTA IV has all sorts of cursing every which way and it's honestly a bit offputting. Not even the cursing, just the fact it's on the radio.

Also the guest voices on the radio, they stopped even pretending to be fun and unique characters (that were not-so-secretly more than a little based on the real artists portraying them) and just yelled "I'm a celebrity musician and I'm fulltime DJing for some reason! Here's my song!"

I wasn't a great fan of the radio stations in most of the games, however when "Integrity 2.0" came in on GTA IV I couldn't stop myself from giggling Lazlow is a very funny man, after listening to that I had to check out the actual radio show he did. So so so funny... If they have more like "Integrity 2.0" in whatever the next game is I'll be happy!

Himuro
Jan 13, 2007

by Y Kant Ozma Post


LvK posted:

One thing I hated about GTA IV was the radio. I loved the soundtrack to death, it had so much good music from all over the spectrum. What I didn't like was that they dropped any pretense of being real. Like, the old ones (outside of music) at least pretended to be FCC compliant. GTA IV has all sorts of cursing every which way and it's honestly a bit offputting. Not even the cursing, just the fact it's on the radio.

Also the guest voices on the radio, they stopped even pretending to be fun and unique characters (that were not-so-secretly more than a little based on the real artists portraying them) and just yelled "I'm a celebrity musician and I'm fulltime DJing for some reason! Here's my song!"

Well to be fair, DJ Stretch Armstrong in GTA3 is a real DJ.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006

THE CLAMPS!
or clamp like device


The problem with Integrity 2.0 is that the whole thing is about five minutes long. And no matter when I tune into it, it's always at the hotdog vendor part. An actual full fledged station with Lazlow would be amazing.

Himuro
Jan 13, 2007

by Y Kant Ozma Post


Just bring back Maurice Chavez and his Pressing Issues talk show.

VCPR - The whole thing here

LvK
Feb 27, 2006

HA, Too-Ticki! We haven't been to the wild west for nothing!


Himuro posted:

Well to be fair, DJ Stretch Armstrong in GTA3 is a real DJ.

So was Mr. Magic in VC. I guess I have less problem when they're DJs in real life, or maybe I have double standards.

Scalding Coffee
Jun 26, 2006

You're already dead.


Cojawfee posted:

The problem with Integrity 2.0 is that the whole thing is about five minutes long. And no matter when I tune into it, it's always at the hotdog vendor part. An actual full fledged station with Lazlow would be amazing.
I had the same issue with GTAIII and driving a vehicle in the third island. It is always "rush, rush" like it was the only song rich people listened to.
VC had the best songs anyway and driving anywhere wouldn't result in random instant death.

jerkstore77
Dec 26, 2003

Future of the franchise

Las Vegas setting, 1970s, doing jobs for/going up against mafia-run casinos.

Make it happen.

K8.0
Feb 26, 2004

I love DLC, and enjoy visually progressive Diablo armor sets for my tiny penis

(Unrelatedly, I am also a RACIST)


GTA4 + TLAD + BOGT is $9.95 at Direct2Drive today only. If you don't own it, and you don't buy it, you're a certifiable dumbass.

Hank Morgan
Jun 17, 2007

Light Along the Inverse Curve.


One thing I really hope they implement in future games is the police evasion system from Chinatown Wars. Unlike most of the other games where you had to avoid the cops in order to reduce the wanted level, in Chinatown Wars you had to disable the cop cars. The higher your level the more cop cars you had to disable. It was a lot more fun and you had to be a lot more proactive when being chased.

Himuro
Jan 13, 2007

by Y Kant Ozma Post


Thank reminds me.

GTAIV's wanted system sucked rear end.

It was like The Warriors except not good.

Cage
Jul 17, 2003



Hank Morgan posted:

One thing I really hope they implement in future games is the police evasion system from Chinatown Wars. Unlike most of the other games where you had to avoid the cops in order to reduce the wanted level, in Chinatown Wars you had to disable the cop cars. The higher your level the more cop cars you had to disable. It was a lot more fun and you had to be a lot more proactive when being chased.
Yeah, GTA4 was a step in the right direction in that you could actually lose the cops just by driving well, but its still not perfect.

Soupballin
Mar 27, 2011


I remember playing GTA so much I started to try and drive everywhere going the speed limit, stopping at stop lights, not hitting other cars. It was actually kind of fun for a little bit.

Himuro
Jan 13, 2007

by Y Kant Ozma Post


Cage posted:

Yeah, GTA4 was a step in the right direction in that you could actually lose the cops just by driving well, but its still not perfect.

I thought it was terrible. You get right right outside the circle and a cop car spawns, making you start all over again. I thought it made chases just busy work instead of being fun. What's more, I can't think of one chase in GTA4 where I had to memorize routes.

In the older games, I memorized routes for bribe locations so I could strategically plan out my escapes.

Playing like that is unnecessary in IV.

War Pig
Nov 14, 2007

Civilization is crumbling.

Himuro posted:

In the older games, I memorized routes for bribe locations so I could strategically plan out my escapes.

Playing like that is unnecessary in IV.

Thank god.

Cage
Jul 17, 2003



Himuro posted:

I thought it was terrible. You get right right outside the circle and a cop car spawns, making you start all over again. I thought it made chases just busy work instead of being fun. What's more, I can't think of one chase in GTA4 where I had to memorize routes.

In the older games, I memorized routes for bribe locations so I could strategically plan out my escapes.

Playing like that is unnecessary in IV.
That sounds lot a lot of trouble, what happens when you get 5 or 6 stars? How long does it take to drive around to collect all those? Seems like it would be boring taking the same route everytime to lose the cops.

If you get outside the circle and a cop spawns then you weren't paying attention to the radar. Cops won't just spawn in the middle of it, they'll always come from the edges. Its more than enough time to stop and change directions so that they never see you.

Himuro
Jan 13, 2007

by Y Kant Ozma Post


I don't see how it's a lot of trouble; half the fun of GTA games is memorizing every street, every layout, picking with the cops, and having a big badass chase where you outrun or drive by knowing every single street.

It's why taxi missions exist in GTA games: to help get a feel of the city and memorize streets.

When you have 5 or 6 stars, it's still easy to get down to zero stars by just knowing where bribes are. It doesn't get boring because you never know where you may encounter some cops in a mission and have to get rid of your wanted level.

I find IV's system far more repetitive and less engaging because it's usually just "drive out of the circle", except this is arbitrarily extended by random cop spawns which ruins the thrill of the chase.

Himuro fucked around with this message at Apr 8, 2011 around 23:53

Tewratomeh
Feb 17, 2007



Cage posted:

If you get outside the circle and a cop spawns then you weren't paying attention to the radar. Cops won't just spawn in the middle of it, they'll always come from the edges. Its more than enough time to stop and change directions so that they never see you.

Yeah, the cops aren't just magically appearing. The cops you run into outside of the patrol circle are cops that just happened to be driving around, or were on their way to the circle. The higher your wanted level, the more likely there'll be cops surrounding the circle or driving around. It actually feels more like an escalating police manhunt than just "oh that guy hit a police car with his car, send every single police patrol after him, one at a time, on a city-wide chase... also all our cops are psychic".

As far back as GTA 3 I wanted to be able to actually lose the cops instead of using a Pay n' Spray or police bribe. I wanted the challenge of having to outmanuever the cops chasing me and take new routes on-the-fly instead of memorizing a bunch of hidden icons. GTA IV finally delivered, and I think that most people were satisfied, even the ones that insisted the game was horrible because it was "too serious".

Himuro
Jan 13, 2007

by Y Kant Ozma Post


I dunno. It always seemed like I was home free, and then some cop spawns out of nowhere and I have to play the goose chase all over again.

And in later missions, it just becomes too easy because all it is,"drive outside the circle."

I definitely preferred where they were going when they did The Warriors.

Car Stranger
Feb 16, 2005



Whalley posted:

a whole lot of assholes who think they're better than you because over half their pay gets taken in taxes.
Funnily enough, this is one of the reasons why (educated) Europeans make fun of (uneducated) Americans.

But yeah thanks for displaying your amazing ignorance of the rest of the world. I think a GTA set outside of America would be pretty fun so long as it didn't degenerate into taking advantage of stereotypes (which it couldn't, because an entire game with humour based on that would be boring as hell).

Zigmidge
May 12, 2002

"You got to be one of the good guys, cause there's way too many of the bad."


Himuro is just a masochist. I just started playing GTA:SA because of this thread and after having played IV so much, running from the cops now loving sucks rear end. I don't know if I can bother memorizing all the bribe spots again.


Driving well should be the only way to escape wanted levels for ever and ever into the future. I would say that car spawning just beyond the last known location range is supposed to represent them cutting you off because you're taking an obvious route. Dodging left and right down side streets worked pretty consistently at shaking the fuzz.

Red_Mage
Jul 23, 2007

I should probably keep to posting about grognards in TGD, because when I discuss actual real-world politics with people who know what they're talking about, it becomes clear that I have trouble seeing things without a ruleset and character sheets.

Some people on the first page suggested Pacific Northwest GTA, Some people also suggested the Future as a setting.

Why has microsoft not licensed Shadowrun to Rockstar for a 360/GFWL exclusive yet? Someone get on that.

Zigmidge
May 12, 2002

"You got to be one of the good guys, cause there's way too many of the bad."


For the record, driving aside, everything else about SA has been so much more fun than IV.

ElwoodCuse
Jan 11, 2004

we're puttin' the band back together

LvK posted:

One thing I hated about GTA IV was the radio. I loved the soundtrack to death, it had so much good music from all over the spectrum. What I didn't like was that they dropped any pretense of being real. Like, the old ones (outside of music) at least pretended to be FCC compliant. GTA IV has all sorts of cursing every which way and it's honestly a bit offputting. Not even the cursing, just the fact it's on the radio.

The rap station in San Andreas played everything uncensored, although Julio G at least referenced the FCC when he played I Just Don't Give A gently caress.

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Whalley
Mar 5, 2004

i'll kill who you hate
take off that dress you won't freeze

Car Stranger posted:

Funnily enough, this is one of the reasons why (educated) Europeans make fun of (uneducated) Americans.

But yeah thanks for displaying your amazing ignorance of the rest of the world. I think a GTA set outside of America would be pretty fun so long as it didn't degenerate into taking advantage of stereotypes (which it couldn't, because an entire game with humour based on that would be boring as hell).
I'm not an American~

Also every GTA game takes every opportunity it can to take advantage of stereotypes and expand upon them what are you talking about

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