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Rondino posted:No no you see the other guy forced my hand by posting slightly inaccurate spoilers Yeah sorry guys, didn't think it was such a big deal.
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Valsu posted:Or any of the scenes where Haruhi gropes Mikuru. Thats like 2 episodes with that content tops... And also ironic considering what Okabe pulled in episode 10 on the Not!Trap. e: The ED definately fits with the show, the OP is kinda in the category where its great to watch but not very interesting to listen to in isolation.
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| # ? Jun 15, 2011 03:02 |
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Zahki posted:I wonder if we're going to get the story on Shining Finger soon as well, from the talk Mayuri and Okabe had, and Moekas reaction when he mentioned memory transfer seems like she's involved somehow. She was taking pics to reassure herself that she really did see what she saw if I remember, so possible she was the first candidate for the memory transfer? I like that a lot; I figure it's likely the case. Also, though it may be stupid for Okabe not to tell anyone about the deep poo poo he's in, at least his silence there is consistent with his overall character. Normally I get frustrated when writers make characters do stupid things for the sake of adding tension to the plot, but in Okabe's case, it makes sense in a way because of his MADDO SAIENTISTO mindset. At least that's how it feels to me. Though the writers are going about the usual ways of adding tension in this show, I have to really hand it to them for doing so in a way that does not make the characters feel arbitrary or inconsistent. In general, I'd say that even though this show isn't doing anything super unique, and it's hitting a lot of the typical tropes, the execution is simply marvelous. It just keeps getting more enjoyable, and Episode 11 is my favorite yet, I think. The next episode cannot come soon enough.
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| # ? Jun 15, 2011 03:03 |
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There's also the whole boy crying wolf aspect as well that he might be genre savvy enough to know.
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I think it's more of Okarin trying to shoulder the burden himself rather than risk hurting the people close to him. He's clearly concerned about them enough to run through the street at color-warping speeds and barge into the clearly occupied shower. Still, I won't be entirely convinced it's actually SERN sending him the threatening messages until a squad of lazer-armed chrono-ninjas invades Future Gadget Labs. I think it's just as likely to be Moeka or Suzuha. Also, who's taking bets that Kurisu's dad is the president of SERN or something?
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Markkei posted:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EI2yXdQ7vQQ Thanks, Internet, because I was just about to make something like this if it wasn't made immediately, and now I do not have to.
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Markkei posted:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EI2yXdQ7vQQ Literally started humming this when it changed, so good. Such a good series so far. This has become my weekly can't wait to watch anime this season.
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Redcrimson posted:I think it's more of Okarin trying to shoulder the burden himself rather than risk hurting the people close to him. He's clearly concerned about them enough to run through the street at color-warping speeds and barge into the clearly occupied shower. Yeah, mostly this. They're sending HIM messages, saying HE knows too much. The others are not getting these messages, or are at least not letting on that they are. He probably assumes that if he doesn't say anything, his friends won't get time-murdered. Really liked this episode. poo poo has gotten real. Vincent Valentine fucked around with this message at Jun 15, 2011 around 16:34 |
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Of course It might be his future self loving with his past self all along. That is my favorite way to look at events.
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I've thought for a while the biggest problem for Kyouma with the Reading Steiner power is that Kyouma doesn't have memories from the new timeline when he alters the past and changes world lines. This isn't just a practical problem; it alienates him from his friends since they don't share the same memories of the new timeline anymore. This is how I interpreted what Mayuri said in episode 9 about feeling like Okarin was leaving her. I think the dialogue between Mayuri and Kyouma about the time leap indirectly acknowledged this issue, which makes me like the writing even more and appreciate it in a new way. Here she comments on how sad it would that she would remember a version of reality he would no longer share, even though she would know everything that happens in the new timeline. However, I'm sure the viewer is supposed to make a connection with Kyouma's experience with Reading Steiner, which is even worse: not only does he have memories his friends don't share, he even lacks the knowledge of the new timeline they share. (Mayuri probably hasn't figured out what Kyouma is going through with this during the timeline changes.) From their point of view he must be constantly forgetting things, hence the line about him drinking that Suzuha made last episode before eventually cluing him in about the cell phone video he had of what happened in the new timeline. So I had been thinking about the emotional or personal side effects of Reading Steiner for a bit, but now I'm going somewhere else with it. Zahki posted:Episode 11; Okabe is in deep poo poo now. Is he even going to inform the others that SERN is sending him pictures of severed heads and stuff? Seems like it'd be something you'd want to tell people. I wonder if we're going to get the story on Shining Finger soon as well, from the talk Mayuri and Okabe had, and Moekas reaction when he mentioned memory transfer seems like she's involved somehow. She was taking pics to reassure herself that she really did see what she saw if I remember, so possible she was the first candidate for the memory transfer? You might be on to something, or you might have gotten me on to something else. Maybe I should have realized this based on episode 10 and some prodding from recent Doctor Who viewing [DW episodes The Impossible Astronaut and Day of the Moon for the curious] but your post really brought this idea together for me. By the way, this is pure speculation: what if Shining Finger has the Reading Steiner power? What would you do if some sci-fi power kept robbing you of memory of the world around you? Record fricking everything! Then the pics wouldn't be just to remind her of what she saw; they would be to tell herself what happened in the past of a new timeline after she jumps worldlines, just as Kyouma needed that video of the party to reliably know what happened there. Moreover, you wouldn't just take pics. Oh no. You would try to carry on all your conversations with people in a recordable way, like text messages to and from your cell phone. This strategy can't help if the past is changed at a point before when you resolve to record everything. However, if you experience Reading Steiner and figure out what's happening, you can start recording everything. You would have a record from then on of what happened in any new timelines created by world line jumps that take effect after your initial resolution. We don't seem to know enough about Reading Steiner to say whether Kyouma only has it for changes in the past that he and the Phone Microwave (name subject to change) are involved with. It might work for changes to time made by anyone, and if Shining Finger has it then it could work the same way for her. This could explain something I was wondering about : why did she seem to expect Kyouma to have stopped using the time machine in episode 11? Maybe she didn't really expect it so much as hope he had. If she had Reading Steiner she might know the dangers of the butterfly effect and unforseen changes to the timeline. More importantly, she might be pissed off at him for continuing to use the time machine. She would have to check all her new records of history each time he uses it, not to mention risk losing any gains she has made. If this theory turns out to be true, it's sly and, to me, good writing for a particular reason. The original VN (and thus the anime) seems to me like it was made by starting with a harem premise, taking out the boring protagonist the player is supposed to insert himself into, and injecting the greatness of Hououin Kyouma, which by itself is enough to take the story out of stereotypical harem/dating sun territory. However, as Rising-Grandpa said, it's still got a lot of familiar tropes. One that stands out is that the mostly female cast seems like it was created based on different fetishes or on various stereotypical characters from a typical harem setup. Shining Finger Moeka fits the bill of a super shy girl, maybe someone with social anxiety disorder. I had her pegged as that and thought little more of it, but maybe the writer was just playing with me. If she has Reading Steiner and her habits are just strategies for dealing with its problems, then she might not be shy at all. Even if the Reading Steiner or time leap theories on Shining Finger are wrong, it still seems that as Kyouma keeps using the time machine to change the past he will either have to adopt some of her habits or become even more alienated from his friends and events in the new timelines he creates. As Mayuri intuited, some of that alienation will be inevitable. Onomarchus fucked around with this message at Jun 16, 2011 around 04:57 |
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That's a drat good theory. And Doctor Who  It's pretty much the only thing I watch on TV right now (or was... stupid 3 month hiatus)
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Onomarchus posted:genius I really enjoyed reading that. Usually I don't like speculating too much about shows I watch, but this is fun. Another note about the tropes this show somewhat adheres to: I don't know what exactly it is about this show, but it has a moe girl who doesn't drive me up a wall, and a tsundere who doesn't make me angry. I view this as an accomplishment. Maybe it's simply because these tropes are auxiliary and aren't really the defining characteristics of the interactions in the show. The sort of harem-style aspects of some of the characters certainly aren't taken that seriously, and it goes to show you that good writers can milk quality stuff out of themes that might seem tired in the hands of a less talented crew. edit: And as Onomarchus alluded to above, Steins;Gate might also be using the stereotypical harem aspects to lull viewers into a sense that they know what's going on, only to surprise and delight them when things turn out to be more complex. Rising-Grandpa fucked around with this message at Jun 16, 2011 around 05:21 |
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We're almost at the point where even Primer will seem flat and 2 dimensional compared to Steins;Gate  And I completely agree with the guy above me; this show is a shining example of "tropes are not bad", you CAN have all the character types that are typically overused or flat, and actually get really great writing out of them.
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Rising-Grandpa posted:
Possibly the reason why the tsundere is more likable is because the main character is really loving annoying half the time. Not to us because we're watching his antics not being directed at us. Usual tsundere in anime just seem completely bipolar, whereas Christina mostly seems to be friendly towards, even attracted to Okabe Rintarou, and being driven insane by Hououin Kyouma who at times act like quite the jerk.
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| # ? Jun 17, 2011 09:22 |
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Best part of the episode: part time soldier's line about poisons.
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Exercu posted:Possibly the reason why the tsundere is more likable is because the main character is really loving annoying half the time. Not to us because we're watching his antics not being directed at us. Usual tsundere in anime just seem completely bipolar, whereas Christina mostly seems to be friendly towards, even attracted to Okabe Rintarou, and being driven insane by Hououin Kyouma who at times act like quite the jerk. It helps that she approaches the build and maturity of an adult rather than an adolescent. I wonder why adult heroines are so unpopular these days.
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It helps that the characters she interacts with aren't limited to oblivious jelly-boned wimps or hyper-competitive female love-rivals.
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Redcrimson posted:oblivious jelly-boned wimps Hopefully none of our characters will end up (literally) jellied either 
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nielsm posted:Hopefully none of our characters will end up (literally) jellied either
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DerDestroyer posted:It helps that she approaches the build and maturity of an adult rather than an adolescent. I wonder why adult heroines are so unpopular these days. I have a hunch that the characters are 18 because the writers wanted to write for an adult cast but were convinced that nobody would buy a visual novel/anime with a cast in their 20s/30s, so they settled for an age where the cast could be reasonably expected to live and behave like adults but would still occasionally complain about classes.
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DerDestroyer posted:z Rampant pedophilia. I'm not even joking. It's really ridiculous.
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DerDestroyer posted:It helps that she approaches the build and maturity of an adult rather than an adolescent. I wonder why adult heroines are so unpopular these days. I don't think it's ever really changed that much. Anime's aimed at young people mainly, so you get young heroines. It's manga where you get a more diverse age since it's more accepted with adults.
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Well I mean at least at 18-19 you can still hit the young people while also getting a bit more maturity out of it and get the best of both worlds. I'm just sick and tired of the same old characters being repackaged in a different scenario. For me Makise Kurisu is just fresh enough to be likable while still maintaining some aspects that might appeal to the extremely conservative otaku crowd who are very much resistant to change. I don't even think Anime is aimed at young people anymore, maybe the big name titles like Gundam are but for the most part I think it's to appease creepy men in their late 20s-early 30s who think their favorite archetypal tsundere loli characters are their wives.
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The bigger ones are that are more popular are aimed at young people. But yea, it's pretty depressing that many of ones aimed at older people have to please the otakus who will buy the dvds regardless of price. Back on topic: In ep 11 when Daru says they've been connected to the heart of SERN all along what he means is that (game spoilers that just add background detail)their internet is directly connected to SERN's network with no additional hops in the middle. As shown in the image below. http://i.imgur.com/hDcPx.jpg
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L-O-N posted:The bigger ones are that are more popular are aimed at young people. But yea, it's pretty depressing that many of ones aimed at older people have to please the otakus who will buy the dvds regardless of price. Wow... somehow, that is just as disturbing as more directly creepy stuff from other anime, such as what is featured in your avatar.
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| # ? Jun 19, 2011 21:29 |
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I would kill for a 3ms ping. 
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Raskolnikov posted:I would kill for a 3ms ping. but a 3 ms ping to someone who wants to kill you probably isn't the greatest.
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I don't get it, what's the significance? I'm not very good at computers. Does it mean that Daru isn't behind forty firewalls or something?
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pandaK posted:I don't get it, what's the significance? I'm not very good at computers. If it follows real world rules, it's probably best you don't know about it and people don't explain it.
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I don't know if this means anything, but in episode 11 the desktop on the computer by the TV in the Future Gadget Lab still has the logo for that May Queen maid cafe, the one that never existed in the transformed Akihabara after the end of episode 9. (In episode 10 Kyouma did change the past by sending a message back one day, but I doubt that could change back the whole area or the cafe.). I suspect it's a simple continuity error (or whatever kind of error you call it), just like there was also a pretty minor error of inconsistency with the ears of the Upa cushion in episode 9.cisneros posted:How come they know aboutthe SERN experiments, if they never had the IBN 5100 in the first place? I have to partially retract my previous defense on this. I still maintain they could have known that the time travel experiments failed in general without the IBN 5100, but they did need the IBN 5100 to find out about the lifter in episode 5. (I don't think they learned about it anywhere else.) However, in episode 9 they have never had the IBN 5100, and yet they know about the importance of a lifter since Kurisu mentions it. I suppose Kyouma could have mentioned it to her and been believed by her beforehand, but in that timeline she seems like she hasn't had a discussion about him remembering previous timelines until after she mentions the lifter. The most likely explanation was provided by Rondino. It's a game spoiler for a minor difference in the anime at a point the anime already passed. The discrepancy is probably a continuity error, an understandable one given the complexity of the show by this point. Rondino posted:In the game, the Jelly Man's Report was on the regular server, only in a part of it that required higher access than Daru's first hacked account had. They hadn't used the IBN5100 at this point. Maybe in the anime the file's supposed to be on both servers? I dunno. I was wondering about this when I first saw episode 5 too. Also, I think a past theory of mine about Shining Finger possibly stealing the IBN 5100 from the shrine was invalidated by something or other--something a couple of episodes back, nothing new--but I forget the details.
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Exercu posted:but a 3 ms ping to someone who wants to kill you probably isn't the greatest. Oh poo poo I didn't even look at the ping. 
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I wonder, the guy who played Kira in the English dub for death note do you think he could dub Kyouma?
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Vincent Valentine posted:If it follows real world rules, it's probably best you don't know about it and people don't explain it. Why?
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pandaK posted:Why? It means it's close
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cisneros posted:It means it's close More accurately, it means two things: firstly, that there literally exists a direct connection from the Future Gadget Laboratory to a SERN server; secondly, that the SERN server is very, very close. The fact that the connection is so direct (bypassing any of the typical internet gateways) implies that the SERN server may be interposed between the lab's computer and the internet at large, monitoring and/or modifying any traffic that passes through itself.
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I like how these may or may not be video game spoilers but like they're actually the kind that if you have a solid understanding of the internet works you would realize anyways, so this is a clear case of where having it explained to me makes the realization pretty awesome. As I wouldn't have been able to make the connection.
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God loving dammit Steins;Gate. Since I think there a multiple Okarins, he better figure out a way to come to that world line and save everyone. Also, I think it would be safe to say that Okarin has been followed through different world lines by Moeka and Suzu LaTex Fetish fucked around with this message at Jun 21, 2011 around 19:50 |
| # ? Jun 21, 2011 19:42 |
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Holy crap, that episode. poo poo just got super real. Mayushi... ;_;
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| # ? Jun 21, 2011 20:06 |
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http://i.imgur.com/LizBJ.jpg If you strike me down, I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine
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jonjonaug posted:Holy crap, that episode. I'm hoping that Part Time Soldier ran off to prepare for what was coming, and she's gonna come back in a giant mech suit and just start tearing poo poo up. Or at least three or four assault rifles and a bazooka. Shipon posted:http://i.imgur.com/LizBJ.jpg If you strike me down, I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine Dammit, they shouldn't have left it on the roof!
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