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My understanding was HK got it's big break with the Iranian embassy siege in London. The SAS were using MP5s and all of a sudden everyone had a boner for them.
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ah could be, makes since. I got my Walther P99 AS and PPS out tonight, both in 9mm.God i love those guns.
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Mishaco posted:ah could be, makes since. I went to the range last weekend with a buddy and he brought his new P99 AS and let me shoot it. I went from being underwhelmed about Walthers in general to REALLY REALLY REALLY wanting one. Too bad I'm poor and can't afford another gun for like 3-4 months.
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Mishaco posted:Frankly, putting a flash light onto a pistol is rediculous, unless you have a very specific need. It adds bulk and some weight and just destroys the lines of the gun and makes holstering and unholstering just that much more cumbersome. This is a ridiculous statement. Just so you know.
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On that note, I may be getting my second Phantom LC, this time for an HK. 
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Black Stormy posted:This is a ridiculous statement. Just so you know. lets be fair, a flashlight is all but superfluous to mishaco
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Thepossiblelight posted:lets be fair, a flashlight is all but superfluous to mishaco Well sure, but that doesn't make my statement any less true.
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| # ? Apr 21, 2011 13:15 |
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People super freaked out about making sure lights are on guns are, more likely than not, way too excited to have someone break into their house just so they can shoot them, while in reality they'll be too scared to grab a gun at all, pissing all over themselves under the blanket while the invader Flanker has his way with them.
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Ninja Rope posted:I forgot to include this image in the op, but here's a shot of an HK conference room known as the "Grey Room". I work at the wrong place.
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DJExile posted:People super freaked out about making sure lights are on guns are, more likely than not, way too excited to have someone break into their house just so they can shoot them, while in reality they'll be too scared to grab a gun at all, pissing all over themselves under the blanket while the invader Flanker has his way with them. Well I'd have a light on my gun in this scenario. Also urine is a huge turn off.
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How would the light be attached? Zipties cut off circulation!
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i see your rediculous and raise you another Sir! most police officers i know, (and i know a lot of them because of my family) put lights on their pistols and end up taking them off after a time. As for needing a light to target someone breaking into your house? that's just ammiture poo poo. You need my special super great night time operation skills.....and i still insist that 6 year old was selling smack to the 5 year olds so he deserved what was coming to him! Next thing you will be telling me is that those strobes people put on their guns are neccessory! Oh yeah and the P99? Once you shoot one, you will like it...if you have good taste. Hey, its German too and i actually visited their factory in Ulm in 2007. Friendly folks...as far as Germans go that is (i.e. you need to drink beer with teh men and its all good, but some of the women can really be prudes)
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Mishaco posted:Frankly, putting a flash light onto a pistol is rediculous, unless you have a very specific need. It adds bulk and some weight and just destroys the lines of the gun and makes holstering and unholstering just that much more cumbersome. I typed a bunch of stuff and deleted it. I disagree with you.
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I'd argue that H&K lines actually benefit from lights. Yeah I went there.
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Propagandalf posted:I'd argue that H&K lines actually benefit from lights. I'll one-up you: I think my 1911 looks cooler with a flashlight mounted to it. Boom.
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roymorrison posted:I typed a bunch of stuff and deleted it. I disagree with you. I find weapon mounted lights insanely useful, when doing stuff like clearing compounds in Afghanistan. You go from inanely blinding sunlight to near total darkness. Removing tinted eyewear and using a weapon light is good counter to that. I also prefer having a separate handheld for reasons already discussed. Just because weaponlights are silly for person X doesn't mean they're useless for person A. How it makes the gun look is totally subjective. Let's shut the gently caress up about weaponlight usefulness and get back to praising/bashing HK.
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I know the Mk.23 is silly and all but I still really want one. And it definitely looks cool as hell with that flashlight/laser unit and a suppressor. It's so big it should be considered a non-restricted firearm in Canada 
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infrared35 posted:Or LEM. The LEM is the worst loving trigger on the planet I *hated* my P2000 with it and tried desperately to trade it for a V3 with the decocker. That trigger ruined an otherwise solid gun.
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Packard Goose posted:The LEM is the worst loving trigger on the planet I *hated* my P2000 with it and tried desperately to trade it for a V3 with the decocker. That trigger ruined an otherwise solid gun. The reset on the P2000 LEM is mysteriously 2? 3? times as long as that on the USP. Why. Why HK, why.
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The p2000 and ump are probably the two worst things hk has built and sold
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The Automator posted:The p2000 and ump are probably the two worst things hk has built and sold Take that back, bitch!
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Packard Goose posted:The LEM is the worst loving trigger on the planet I *hated* my P2000 with it That's because your LEM experience was on the P2000. On any other, it's the best trigger you could ever want on a combat handgun. Theoretically, the P2000 is mechanically identical to the USPc. Why the trigger is so different between the two guns is beyond me.
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The Automator posted:The p2000 and ump are probably the two worst things hk has built and sold What's the UMP's deal? I know drat near nothing about that gun.
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DJExile posted:What's the UMP's deal? I know drat near nothing about that gun. I've never shot one but I've read that the recoil is really choppy and it's just an overall inferior gun to the MP-5. It's a shame because it's one of the coolest looking guns that HK makes.
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I've shot the UMP 40 and I've shot an MP5/40 and I vastly prefer the MP5. The UMP seems really chattery and harsh to fire, maybe because it's a straight blowback gun. It felt like it jumped around a lot more, maybe partly because of the blowback thing and maybe partly because of its lighter weight. During our weapons trials it was reported that if you fired two magazines straight on full auto, the polymer barrel trunnion would melt. Also, the extractor is the flimsiest little piece of metal they could get away with, and always seems to bend or break.
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I remember hearing someone say that the UMP .45 had a single-stack magazine. Is this true?
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Young Freud posted:I remember hearing someone say that the UMP .45 had a single-stack magazine. Is this true? nope
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Young Freud posted:I remember hearing someone say that the UMP .45 had a single-stack magazine. Is this true? That would be the civilian HK USC
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Young Freud posted:I remember hearing someone say that the UMP .45 had a single-stack magazine. Is this true? The USC has a single-stack.
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Reforger posted:That would be the civilian HK USC CAT ON THE COUCH!! posted:The USC has a single-stack.
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HK HK HK WOHOOO! 
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Mishaco posted:I can't talk too much about overpriced though as i like FN stuff. Back in the '80s the FNC was quite pricey and the steyr aUG was way up there too. Its probably why pre-ban HK91s go for $2k and pre-ban AUGs are $3.5k+ and FNCs???? haha...if you have to ask, you can't afored one. Mishaco, I was under the impression that FNCs commanded such high prices because of the fact that they are a rare host for a relatively common and inexpensive auto sear.
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Reforger posted:HK HK HK WOHOOO! Your second round seems to be backwards, sir.
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shovelbum posted:Mishaco, I was under the impression that FNCs commanded such high prices because of the fact that they are a rare host for a relatively common and inexpensive auto sear. They really don't have much else going for them, for people in the US at least.
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Nick L posted:Your second round seems to be backwards, sir. What kind of moron does a thing like that 
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Young Freud posted:Ah, that's why I'd confuse it with the UMP. I thought it was weird to have a single-stack carbine-type weapon in this day and age. But then, the USC was designed to fulfill just about every element of the AWB. It even meets CA OAL requirements which incidentally (and maybe ironically) made it unappealing to me as a Californian.
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beanieson posted:What kind of moron does a thing like that someone who wants to compromise actually feeding and firing the weapon for a photo op
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Flikken posted:someone who wants to compromise actually feeding and firing the weapon for a photo op Sorry but that's BS. A very prominant firearms manufacturer provides a gun for their catalog cover and they don't have a handful of dummy rounds laying around? It's pretty obvious to me that it's a case of a photographer not knowing any better, considering the fact that it's so prominently in the foreground.
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infrared35 posted:I've shot the UMP 40 and I've shot an MP5/40 and I vastly prefer the MP5. The UMP seems really chattery and harsh to fire, maybe because it's a straight blowback gun. It felt like it jumped around a lot more, maybe partly because of the blowback thing and maybe partly because of its lighter weight. During our weapons trials it was reported that if you fired two magazines straight on full auto, the polymer barrel trunnion would melt. Also, the extractor is the flimsiest little piece of metal they could get away with, and always seems to bend or break. All of this is true, but we need to remember that the UMP was never designed to replace or even compete with the MP-5. It was a low-cost alternative for agencies and nations who couldn't afford the MP-5. Which is why it's blowback, uses lots of polymer, and has some cheaper and flimsier parts. I think they also retailed for something like half the price of an MP-5.
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DrakeriderCa posted:All of this is true, but we need to remember that the UMP was never designed to replace or even compete with the MP-5. It was a low-cost alternative for agencies and nations who couldn't afford the MP-5. Which is why it's blowback, uses lots of polymer, and has some cheaper and flimsier parts. I think they also retailed for something like half the price of an MP-5. Shoulda just bought uzis instead.
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