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Hey guys, I'm looking for some good glass to shoot at 100 yards with. After looking through some store display models I was impressed with the Nikon Buckmaster(s?) line, but the Nikon ProStaff scopes look nice too. Is there a major difference between the two lines? Also, do you think a 3-9x is good or will I have better times with one that goes up to 12x/14x.
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| # ? May 13, 2013 22:10 |
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| # ? May 21, 2013 12:24 |
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3-9 is a pretty good range for a hunting scope at that kind of range. Lower mag will let you see much more and will also transmit more light, so I don't see much point in going any higher unless you allocated more for your budget. Less expensive glass is usually not so great at higher mags anyway. Alternatively, you might look at SWFA's offerings... Their mil-mil 6x would do you pretty well I imagine.
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| # ? May 13, 2013 22:25 |
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Steak Flavored Gum posted:I'm saying that for the purpose of a combat optic at typical engagement distances, there is no benefit of any magnification. Just use a red dot. If someone really needs deaded at ranges beyond what people are comfortable engaging at with a red dot, there are DMs for that. Until there isn't a DM, but in that case they'll just call their air support and whatever other imaginary conditions you want to bring up to fit the made-up scenario in which your statement is correct. But the continued use of low-powered variable scopes, especially among three-gun competitors, suggests that they do have their applications.
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| # ? May 13, 2013 22:37 |
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Steak Flavored Gum posted:I'm saying that for the purpose of a combat optic at typical engagement distances, there is no benefit of any magnification. Just use a red dot. If someone really needs deaded at ranges beyond what people are comfortable engaging at with a red dot, there are DMs for that. You are not very persuasive
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| # ? May 13, 2013 22:53 |
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ACOGs are still cheaper (half the price?) and weigh considerably less than the SpectreDR, plus the SpectreDR has a weaker mount (though you can pay more for a better one). Apparently the elevation/windage adjustments are in the base rather than the optic, though I have no idea if that has a practical implication. It seems like all options have reasons they suck.
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| # ? May 13, 2013 23:10 |
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Drav posted:So are ACOGs basically obsolete now for all intents and purposes? They're still cool in that, besides the HAMR, there's not really a quality magnified optic that is as light/compact. They do have a bunch of flaws but *shrug* The HAMR looks cool. I'd buy the poo poo out of an Elcan tomorrow if a) I didn't keep hearing that it has poi shift between 1x and 4x and b) it didn't cost $2000 and c) it didn't weigh so much. drop 150 grams, slightly thinner reticle without the circles, and I'd definitely buy one regardless of the cost
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| # ? May 13, 2013 23:48 |
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Steak Flavored Gum posted:I don't see the point of low-power variable scopes. They're heavier and larger than red dots, are less forgiving with awkward position shooting/eyebox, are easier to blow up, and don't really give you much of a benefit in normal combat ranges. "for stuff that isn't combat" Also they're pretty sweet except no-one really makes one I'm happy with. Ninja Rope posted:ACOGs are still cheaper (half the price?) and weigh considerably less than the SpectreDR, plus the SpectreDR has a weaker mount (though you can pay more for a better one). Apparently the elevation/windage adjustments are in the base rather than the optic, though I have no idea if that has a practical implication. It seems like all options have reasons they suck. I haven't ever seen anything about an Elcan mount actually breaking
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| # ? May 13, 2013 23:50 |
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Foehammer posted:Hey guys, I'm looking for some good glass to shoot at 100 yards with. After looking through some store display models I was impressed with the Nikon Buckmaster(s?) line, but the Nikon ProStaff scopes look nice too. Is there a major difference between the two lines? Also, do you think a 3-9x is good or will I have better times with one that goes up to 12x/14x. 3-9 will let you shoot out pretty far, but if you're trying to shoot relatively small targets you're going to want magnification. If you're punching paper at 500 yards you'll definitely be happier with something that goes to 12x or 16x, if not higher. fake edit: I just re-read and saw that you said you're shooting at 100 yards. Parallax adjustment isn't that big of a deal at that range, and 9x is plenty, but if you're trying to shoot tiny groups on static targets you won't be disappointed with more magnification if you can get it.
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| # ? May 14, 2013 00:13 |
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I'm morally opposed to people buying 3-9x scopes, because that's some 1980's poo poo. 3x zoom. Stop buying products with outdated specs and hopefully manufacturers will have more incentive to make better stuff. Lots of people already make 4x, 5x, 6x zoom range scopes. 2-10. Bam. Leupold try get away with being sneaking and calling their 3-9 vxiii a "3.5-10" and hoping we don't notice, but I know what they're up to
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| # ? May 14, 2013 00:17 |
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I put a 3-9 Mark AR scope on mine. Its decent but I wish I would have gone higher magnification. I just picked up a Vortex 6-18 crossfire II for the cz I bought from craptacular. Way overkill for a rimfire. But it seems solid for the money.
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| # ? May 14, 2013 10:30 |
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Nothing seems overkill for CZ rimfires, honestly. As long as you have the elevation range for it, I swear the CZ 45X series can plant a bullet out there. I crank my Brno sights up and blast at the 200 yard plate at my range pretty regularly. With optics on there, I could probably do the 300 yard plate, too (with a hilarious mount).
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| # ? May 14, 2013 16:17 |
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| # ? May 21, 2013 12:24 |
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Steak Flavored Gum posted:Nothing seems overkill for CZ rimfires, honestly. As long as you have the elevation range for it, I swear the CZ 45X series can plant a bullet out there. I crank my Brno sights up and blast at the 200 yard plate at my range pretty regularly. With optics on there, I could probably do the 300 yard plate, too (with a hilarious mount). IIRC I was hitting the 300 yard plate at mcsa with my Marlin and its 3-9x with not much difficulty, although you were helping me walk it in.
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| # ? May 14, 2013 19:45 |
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