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Frankosity
May 1, 2008

I've got the abattoir blues

To this day I can't remember how I managed to get Silent Assassin on A New Life without disguising myself. I think I got as far as the Playboy Mansion level before I gave up on the disguiseless run.

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SovietSteel
Sep 11, 2010


This thread inspired me to finally get past Curtains Down. But now I plowed right on to the loving boat mission and I god drat hate it. For the life of me I cannot figure out how to get to the 4th(?) floor. I've tried using the sailor, waiter, and a guest disguise but none of them worked. I'm getting closer and closer to just wanting to blast through that mission with my silverballer and not giving any fucks. Other than that mission this whole game has been really fun.

And are there any more assassins that try to kill you in Blood Money? So far I ran into the one in the playboy mansion but was wondering if I missed any or can expect more.

Dr Snofeld
Apr 30, 2009


SovietSteel posted:

This thread inspired me to finally get past Curtains Down. But now I plowed right on to the loving boat mission and I god drat hate it. For the life of me I cannot figure out how to get to the 4th(?) floor. I've tried using the sailor, waiter, and a guest disguise but none of them worked. I'm getting closer and closer to just wanting to blast through that mission with my silverballer and not giving any fucks. Other than that mission this whole game has been really fun.

That's such an annoying level. To get to the floor with Skip Muldoon and the three or so other targets you need a First Class Purser disguise, which is in the room next to the kitchen.

fleshweasel
Aug 23, 2004

Weasels Ripped My Flesh


Or if you're not a bitch you can just shoot the guard at the door in the face. Most of the people on the top floor are targets anyway.

edit: argh you guys are going to make me bootcamp this game :I

Gazmachine
May 22, 2005

Happy Happy Breakdance Challenge 4

SovietSteel posted:

This thread inspired me to finally get past Curtains Down. But now I plowed right on to the loving boat mission and I god drat hate it. For the life of me I cannot figure out how to get to the 4th(?) floor. I've tried using the sailor, waiter, and a guest disguise but none of them worked. I'm getting closer and closer to just wanting to blast through that mission with my silverballer and not giving any fucks. Other than that mission this whole game has been really fun.

And are there any more assassins that try to kill you in Blood Money? So far I ran into the one in the playboy mansion but was wondering if I missed any or can expect more.


This is how you should go about that level

(moderately amusing series, all should watch)

Jut
May 15, 2005

Great Leader shall defeat all the untrained and pathetic rebel infidels! See how he rolls his eyes at their impudence! With his might as a prophet of God, we shall let the desert stain red with the blood of these lowly dogs! For every one of us killed by NATO, we shall kill 100 with our sleepers!


Just reordered blood money for the 360, I have the PC version, but the DRM hates my PC, and I deleted my workaround copy:(

Cowman
Feb 14, 2006

Beware the cow


As awesome of a level as A Murder of Crows is, I cannot for the life of me beat it. I almost am able to get the boss and woman, but then the guy shoots who I'm supposed to protect. If I try to hurry, I always end up pissing some random chef or waiter off who then gets the cops on me and they flip out. I'm not sure how I keep on managing to piss everyone off just by walking around.

fleshweasel
Aug 23, 2004

Weasels Ripped My Flesh


You can actually kill the woman at the very beginning if you run straight there and kill her in a back alley very easily. Once you get her walkie it reveals the man's position and from there it's pretty easy depending on which bar he stakes out.

SovietSteel
Sep 11, 2010


^^^^^^^^^^
Also if you hold the briefcase doesn't it postpone the assassination? I ran around that whole mission with it in hand while killing all the others with a silverballer. In the end I think it took me around 30 minutes to find them all.

Dr Snofeld posted:

That's such an annoying level. To get to the floor with Skip Muldoon and the three or so other targets you need a First Class Purser disguise, which is in the room next to the kitchen.

Thanks. Just got through that mission now.


Gazmachine posted:

This is how you should go about that level

(moderately amusing series, all should watch)

This blows my bomb in the poisoned cake out of the water, I just wished it showed what the newspaper would have said afterwards. It also makes me want to go back through some earlier levels using only poo poo I can find.

SovietSteel fucked around with this message at May 1, 2011 around 20:28

Snak
Oct 10, 2005


Cowman posted:

As awesome of a level as A Murder of Crows is, I cannot for the life of me beat it. I almost am able to get the boss and woman, but then the guy shoots who I'm supposed to protect. If I try to hurry, I always end up pissing some random chef or waiter off who then gets the cops on me and they flip out. I'm not sure how I keep on managing to piss everyone off just by walking around.

Every time I get pissed at this level I just throw a mine onto the politician's float and blow the fucker up.

But yeah getting the woman before she gets to her nest makes the level pretty easy. Can't you also say something to the guy on the radio and make him pissed that you killed his girlfriend?

Swartz
Jul 28, 2005



SovietSteel posted:

It also makes me want to go back through some earlier levels using only poo poo I can find.

This is my favorite way to play this series. Sure, 47 ought to be a well-prepared assassin, but it's more fun utilizing what's available to find.

I started doing that in Codename 47 by never bringing weapons with me and only using guns, and knives that I could find.

It's too bad that some items are always in his inventory. I'd like the option of bringing nothing if I feel like it. Whenever I start a play-through I like to dump my syringes & remote bomb somewhere and then pretend I don't have the fiber-wire in my inventory. Killing people with hedge-clippers, screwdrivers, hammers, shovels, and other odds and ends is way more fun than it should be.

drat, I really need to re-install Blood Money. It's a shame Codename 47 has aged so much because I have really fond memories of it.

I'm counting down the days for the reveal of Absolution at E3. Hopefully they didn't gently caress it up somehow, but that would be pretty difficult to do.

Another fun thing to do in Blood Money: only use the remote bombs (without rigging them to traps) and nothing else to take out targets. It can actually be difficult in some instances.
An old favorite is pretending to be a terrorist, putting the remote bomb in a briefcase, and then detonating it in a crowded bar in the mardi gras level.

csidle
Jul 31, 2007

I'm trying to organize a prison break.

I hope that you've had enough to drink. It's going to take courage.


So, am I the only one who thought Traditions of the Trade was the best missions in C47, and who spent dozens of hours just playing around on that? I would sometimes give not a poo poo about my targets and just spend my time ridding the hotel of guests or have small fictional targets of my own. The actual targets, too, there were a lot of fun ways to kill, and I loved the Contracts remake of the map.

Knives and Hot Dust
Feb 20, 2010

metal gear??!?

Frankosity posted:

To this day I can't remember how I managed to get Silent Assassin on A New Life without disguising myself. I think I got as far as the Playboy Mansion level before I gave up on the disguiseless run.

Perhaps you did something similar to this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOaNRv5zpSw

Crappy Jack
Nov 21, 2005

We got some serious shit to discuss.



csidle posted:

So, am I the only one who thought Traditions of the Trade was the best missions in C47, and who spent dozens of hours just playing around on that? I would sometimes give not a poo poo about my targets and just spend my time ridding the hotel of guests or have small fictional targets of my own. The actual targets, too, there were a lot of fun ways to kill, and I loved the Contracts remake of the map.

Blood Money is the best game in the series, but Traditions of the Trade is the best mission in the franchise.

Knives and Hot Dust
Feb 20, 2010

metal gear??!?

Is "A new life" 2nd?

Dr Snofeld
Apr 30, 2009


I have a soft spot for the Vegas hotel mission in Blood Money, since I have it timed so well that I can go through it like clockwork. Though I've never actually tried a run where I didn't strangle the dealer and the scientist in the elevators, so I'm not sure of other ways to kill them. Well, could bust into the dealer's room in a staff uniform with a master key, if there is one.

Bobby The Rookie
Jun 2, 2005

Flipmode is the greatest.


Swartz posted:

Another fun thing to do in Blood Money: only use the remote bombs (without rigging them to traps) and nothing else to take out targets. It can actually be difficult in some instances.
An old favorite is pretending to be a terrorist, putting the remote bomb in a briefcase, and then detonating it in a crowded bar in the mardi gras level.
One of my favorites is tossing a bomb in the suspended jacuzzi on the Christmas level.

After reading this thread a few days ago, I tried going back to Contracts and seeing how it held up, since it was my favorite game in the series up until Blood Money came out, but it was really difficult to get used to the less-refined gameplay and highly suspicious AI, even though some of the level designs in it were brilliant.

I don't think there's a whole lot that needs changing in Blood Money's gameplay mechanics, but it would be nice to see a similar jump in quality, like that between basically each game in the series that came before and after one another. Regardless, with the ground work set by Blood Money, it's a pretty hard formula to screw up at this juncture, but I'm still going to be erring on the side of caution while I'm anticipating the poo poo out of Absolution.

In summary: Blood Money rules, reinstalling right now. Also, while Blood Money has a ton of great levels, and "A New Life" is absolutely up there, I also really enjoy the Heaven & Hell party level, barring the stupid hitman deathmatch in the store room.

Darkhold
Feb 19, 2011

No Heart
No Soul
No Service

SovietSteel posted:

I've tried using the sailor, waiter, and a guest disguise but none of them worked.
Going off memory there's a part you can climb to get to the third(?) floor just outside the kitchen. Run straight through the kitchen (people will bitch and tell you to leave but it won't blow your cover) if you then take a left then another left you can get a disguise that will let you go up to the fourth level You can kill most of the rest of the gang by circling around the outside of the main cabin and killing them off. Just watch out for the cake delivery guy while you're stashing bodies. I don't remember if you can walk around inside the cabin or not I think so but by the time you've finished everyone else a little keyhole spying and you should be able to sneak up even if it doesn't work

Supplanter
Jan 1, 2008
Hello

Dr Snofeld posted:

I have a soft spot for the Vegas hotel mission in Blood Money, since I have it timed so well that I can go through it like clockwork. Though I've never actually tried a run where I didn't strangle the dealer and the scientist in the elevators, so I'm not sure of other ways to kill them. Well, could bust into the dealer's room in a staff uniform with a master key, if there is one.

I grab the scientist using a my gun just as he opens his own door, knock him out, take his clothes, and push him over the balcony. Then, after taking care of the guy downstairs I assemble the sniper rifle in the scientist's room, and use it as a vantage point to shoot the dealer. I still get silent assassin this way, and I look for any excuse to use the sniper rifle.

edit: added spoilers just in case.

Supplanter fucked around with this message at May 1, 2011 around 21:38

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006


I'm another one now replaying Blood Money after reading this thread. I was playing the tutorial mission earlier, reminding myself of the controls, and thought to myself "Why doesn't 47 just swim to the end of the pier and avoid all those guards?"

So I want to be able to swim in Absolution. It could open up some cool new stealthy approaches, especially if you have some scuba gear to stay submerged for extended amounts of time. But make it so that you have to change out of your wet clothes afterwards to avoid looking suspicious.

Dr. Video Games 0031
Jul 16, 2004



Pwnstar posted:

Its a gameplay concession otherwise every mission ever would be failed the second a guard saw a dead guy at the bottom of a stairwell or whatever.

Well, I'm coming off the idea that you wont just instantly fail. I think the game could benefit from the guards being more cautious after finding a dead body somewhere, at least more than they already do. It would encourage you to hide them better, and force you to change up your approach if they put the place on lockdown. I don't want it all to be harder, like I said earlier, I think the AI needs to not freak out upon seeing a lot of player behavior, like looking through keyholes or holding syringes. Instead they should just ask you to stop/confiscate your suspicious item.

bees everywhere
Nov 18, 2002



csidle posted:

So, am I the only one who thought Traditions of the Trade was the best missions in C47, and who spent dozens of hours just playing around on that? I would sometimes give not a poo poo about my targets and just spend my time ridding the hotel of guests or have small fictional targets of my own. The actual targets, too, there were a lot of fun ways to kill, and I loved the Contracts remake of the map.

Yeah, I played and replayed that mission over and over in C47 and Contracts, it's definitely my favorite just ahead of the English mansion.

Kieselguhr Kid
May 16, 2010

WHY USE ONE WORD WHEN SIX FUCKING PARAGRAPHS WILL DO?

(If this post doesn't have at least one italicised French word please report it.)


Traditions of the Trade was amazing, and still the best mission of the series. I used to like trying to kill every single person on the level without once being seen. It never worked as well as I'd hoped and I gave up.

Pwnstar
Dec 9, 2007

Who wants some waffles?



Fat drunk woman seduction in the casino level is the best/worst thing.

Ara
Oct 18, 2003





Cowman posted:

As awesome of a level as A Murder of Crows is, I cannot for the life of me beat it. I almost am able to get the boss and woman, but then the guy shoots who I'm supposed to protect. If I try to hurry, I always end up pissing some random chef or waiter off who then gets the cops on me and they flip out. I'm not sure how I keep on managing to piss everyone off just by walking around.

Follow and kill/sedate the red chicken courier as soon as he leaves the hotel bar at the start. Take his briefcase and stick it in the hotel's closet where the coffin-looking gun drop thing is, nobody goes in there the whole mission so nobody will pick it up. If you do that, the assassination will never happen because the assassins wait for that payment before they'll act.

Canary Yellow
Sep 18, 2006



I just pulled the series from my pile of shame based on this thread. I'm two missions into Blood Money and it's a lot better than I remember.

Silentgoldfish
Nov 5, 2008


The Jason Statham movie "The Mechanic" is essentially Hitman: The Movie (yes I know there's an actual movie but it sucks). Scuba diving into a rich man's pool and then drowning him from underneath while the guards are oblivious should totally be a level in the new game!

blackguy32
Oct 1, 2005

FLAVA FLAV!!!!!

Snak posted:

Every time I get pissed at this level I just throw a mine onto the politician's float and blow the fucker up.

But yeah getting the woman before she gets to her nest makes the level pretty easy. Can't you also say something to the guy on the radio and make him pissed that you killed his girlfriend?

I think if you kill the guy first and take his crow costume, the woman flips the gently caress out because she knows you killed her boyfriend.

Iacen
Mar 19, 2009

Si vis pacem, para bellum



Most of you've probably seen this, but I'll post it anyway.
It's a video of David Bateson, the guy 47 was modeled on in the first game and who voiced 47 in all the games.
(I'm still a bit annoyed they never considered him for the role in the movie.)

dr.gigolo
May 9, 2006


I loved how many different ways there were to kill people in blood money. A lot of them I didn't even figure out until I read the walkthrough afterwards. Like shooting the bottom of the hot tub in the Playboy mansion one. I really hope IO can make the game that interesting.

I also liked the newspapers, but even if I went on a bloody rampage and got caught on camera, they usually didn't get a good description of me. "10 of the victims brutally died of headshot wounds"

Ara
Oct 18, 2003





Canary Yellow posted:

I just pulled the series from my pile of shame based on this thread. I'm two missions into Blood Money and it's a lot better than I remember.

I think a lot of people get turned off at the tutorial mission. It's totally different from the whole rest of the game, but it does accomplish its goal of forcing you to do each of the things you're able to do at least once.

Jut
May 15, 2005

Great Leader shall defeat all the untrained and pathetic rebel infidels! See how he rolls his eyes at their impudence! With his might as a prophet of God, we shall let the desert stain red with the blood of these lowly dogs! For every one of us killed by NATO, we shall kill 100 with our sleepers!


So does anyone know why the series was shelved for so long? I really hope it wasn't so they could work on kane & lynch, and mini ninjas

Orthogonalus
Feb 26, 2008
Right angles ONLY

csidle posted:

So, am I the only one who thought Traditions of the Trade was the best missions in C47, and who spent dozens of hours just playing around on that? I would sometimes give not a poo poo about my targets and just spend my time ridding the hotel of guests or have small fictional targets of my own. The actual targets, too, there were a lot of fun ways to kill, and I loved the Contracts remake of the map.

Agreed, I remember being pretty proud of coming up with a way to do that mission without bringing any items with me into the hotel at all, and not causing any alarm. Strangely enough I never enjoyed trying to get a Silent Assassing rank in the later games. It felt much more rewarding when I did it on my own.

Canary Yellow
Sep 18, 2006



Ara posted:

I think a lot of people get turned off at the tutorial mission. It's totally different from the whole rest of the game, but it does accomplish its goal of forcing you to do each of the things you're able to do at least once.

Absolutely, I didn't complete it before.

DangerKat
Nov 5, 2009

i'm lovin' it!


Does anyone use a controller for Blood Money on PC? If so, did you just use Xpadder or something else?

DropsySufferer
Nov 9, 2008

Impractical practicality


I'm also worried the new hitman game will be terrible due to switching teams, but here's hoping!

The tutorial mission sucks.

By the way was I the only person that didn't realize you could get up at the very end of the game and kill the guy in the wheelchair, everyone else and escape? I tried pressing buttons but nothing happened so I figured that was it. Ave Maria. A month or two later I read that you need to move the sticks in a circular motion to revive.

I also really like the psych ward mission. There are many different ways to finish the mission. You can sneak in as a patient. Or just sneak in and there are numerous ways to assassinate your targets. No other mission gives you that much of a variety.

WebDog
Jun 14, 2006


DropsySufferer posted:

A month or two later I read that you need to move the sticks in a circular motion to revive.
It's far more confusing on a PC, for some weird reason it was coded to the arrow keys not WSAD that you'd been using all the time.

Iacen
Mar 19, 2009

Si vis pacem, para bellum



I loved that final mission. After killing everybody but the journalist, I found a screwdriver and just calmly went for him. Every time he looked back, I was just a bit closer to him, up until I jabbed the screwdriver into his jugular. So entertaining.

Tewratomeh
Feb 17, 2007



The only thing I hope they fix in the next Hitman game is the stealth mechanic. I want some sort of indication as to whether or not I can be seen in the shadows, behind a wall or whatever. A simple "visibility meter" would work, basically I want the option to actually sneak around completely undetected and keep my original sharp-looking black suit if I want to. Don't get me wrong, I love the disguise system, but there should be the option of just being a sneaky bastard instead of having to switch between a bunch of different outfits to get anywhere.

Also I hope they give you a chance to silence a target before they can raise an alarm. So if you're right behind the target ready to strangle them or shove them off a balcony and they turn around, you're not completely hosed by every enemy in the level who suddenly becomes psychic and hones in on your location. I just want to be able to grab my target from the front and force my hand over their mouth, subdue them, whatever. It'd look badass and it'd give you another chance to complete your objective without having to restore a saved game and re-do half a level.

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Ara
Oct 18, 2003





Tewratomeh posted:

Also I hope they give you a chance to silence a target before they can raise an alarm. So if you're right behind the target ready to strangle them or shove them off a balcony and they turn around, you're not completely hosed by every enemy in the level who suddenly becomes psychic and hones in on your location. I just want to be able to grab my target from the front and force my hand over their mouth, subdue them, whatever. It'd look badass and it'd give you another chance to complete your objective without having to restore a saved game and re-do half a level.

This was probably my biggest problem with Blood Money. No don't punch him why'd you punch him NOOOO you were supposed to push him off the edge! *restarts the goddamn level again* Grabbing their mouth and trying to pin their arms while kicking and struggling with them and maybe losing some health as they fight back would be a good compromise, I think.

Actually this would lead into a neck-twisting death that would look pretty cool.

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