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poopinmymouth posted:If you want dslr image quality, it is the only option. M4/3 is a great step up from P&S cameras, but the small sensor just doesn't deliver the goods, especially in low light, or high dynamic range settings. And that ignores the OVF which is an experience all by itself. The difference in IQ may be technically huge, but it's still negligible for many people in practice. I edit my raws just fine and have made nice large prints. My argument was simply that I have been very happy with my (now ancient in technological terms) camera and that the poster would also be if he bought further into that system. I don't want to get into the pixel peeping garbage where you "prove" how inferior my camera system is compared to your choice, especially when my choice gives me more than enough image quality for my purposes. Enjoy your x100, it's an amazing camera, but I think this thread is doing a disservice by telling people it's the only valid option.
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poopinmymouth posted:If you want dslr image quality, it is the only option. M4/3 is a great step up from P&S cameras, but the small sensor just doesn't deliver the goods, especially in low light, or high dynamic range settings. And that ignores the OVF which is an experience all by itself. Sony NEX image quality is comparable to most DSLRs on the market today. The sensors used in NEX cameras(or closely related) are also used in Nikon D3100 and D7000, which are very competitive imgage quality wise amongst current APS-C DSLRs.
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Lon Lon Rabbit posted:The difference in IQ may be technically huge, but it's still negligible for many people in practice. I edit my raws just fine and have made nice large prints. There is a reason people are "spooging" about it, and it's because of actual quality in design, and image quality, it's not being overstated cause it's new or has a retro design. The M4/3 are nice cameras, but people have made good large prints from small sensor point and shoots too. There is something the X100 brings to this niche that none of the others do. I won't post anything about pixel peeping, I don't do that myself, but you don't need to pixel peep to see the difference. If you need interchangeable lenses, m4/3 or Nex is a good choice, but if you don't (need different focal lengths) there isn't a contest. No one is disparaging the m4/3, they are nice cameras, some great lenses, but the guy was asking about the x100 and if people still liked it. Seems the answer (among those who actually own one) is a resounding yes. DoLittle posted:Sony NEX image quality is comparable to most DSLRs on the market today. The sensors used in NEX cameras(or closely related) are also used in Nikon D3100 and D7000, which are very competitive imgage quality wise amongst current APS-C DSLRs. The Sony nex does have a great sensor, and it does come extremely close to the X100 in image quality, but the lenses are huge compared to X100 and M4/3, and the only ones with autofocus are f/2.8, making you need a stop higher in ISO for the same exposure, taking the similarities further apart. When they release the 24mm f2, if it's not humongous, the Nex will compare more favorably, but even then, there is no optical viewfinder. I think people are missing the importance of the OVF for some people. Someone coming from only point and shoots using the screen to compose, or entry level dslr bodies with tiny dim viewfinders might not get it, but the X100 has a viewfinder of equal size and brightness to a full frame camera. If an optical viewfinder is important for your photographic experience, the x100 delivers, and nothing else does without caring a lunchbox sized lead boat anchor. the spooge is justified. poopinmymouth fucked around with this message at 11:21 on Jul 19, 2011 |
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poopinmymouth posted:I think people are missing the importance of the OVF for some people. Someone coming from only point and shoots using the screen to compose, or entry level dslr bodies with tiny dim viewfinders might not get it, but the X100 has a viewfinder of equal size and brightness to a full frame camera. If an optical viewfinder is important for your photographic experience, the x100 delivers, and nothing else does without caring a lunchbox sized lead boat anchor. I've been flipping back and forth between using my NEX-5 and my 40D and the viewfinder is the #1 thing I miss. I'm reserving judgement until the NEX-7 or whatever comes out. An X100-like camera with an EVF and interchangeable lenses is what I think I'm looking for (if it ever does come out)
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Hey guys, a mate who is at the moment strictly a casual photographer dropped his ricoh p&s onto rocks and is looking for something decent and closer to DSLR quality but without the bulky bodies with hand-grips and lenses to carry around. I recommended him the NEX-3 over the NEX-5, as it's more in his price range and I couldn't tell the difference between the two, besides 720p HD video vs 1080p. Also suggested the Olympus E-PL2 and the Samsung NX100, due to their convenience with size and form factor. Are these decent, good-value suggestions, or are there any other recommendations that ought to be thrown his way?
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poopinmymouth posted:If you need interchangeable lenses, m4/3 or Nex is a good choice, but if you don't (need different focal lengths) there isn't a contest. ...I think we're agreeing then? Of course the x100 is an amazing camera that it's worth being excited about but it's not the ONLY valid choice out there, which a bunch of the early adopters here have been claiming is the case. You said yourself m4/3 or NEX are a better choice in certain circumstances. I guess I just wish people would keep that in mind rather than advise everyone in this thread (and others, it comes up very often in the general thread for example) that they should not consider anything other than the x100. Especially if someone is already invested in a lens system like (m)4/3, it seems kinda crazy to me to say the x100 is the only correct choice.
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Lon Lon Rabbit posted:...I think we're agreeing then? I haven't seen anyone proclaim the x100 as the only correct choice, maybe you could quote the posts that have done that? I've seen numerous posts suggesting that a person consider the x100, but even the most ardent X100-vangelists (me) understand that no interchangeable lens means it's not for everyone.
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poopinmymouth posted:I haven't seen anyone proclaim the x100 as the only correct choice, maybe you could quote the posts that have done that? I've seen numerous posts suggesting that a person consider the x100, but even the most ardent X100-vangelists (me) understand that no interchangeable lens means it's not for everyone. poopinmymouth posted:If you want dslr image quality, it is the only option.
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That's because I forgot about the sony Nex cameras, all the previous posts were about m4/3. If you're willing to go without a viewfinder, the NEX bodies also offer up incredible IQ. Edited to fix. because I was wrong poopinmymouth fucked around with this message at 15:50 on Jul 20, 2011 |
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poopinmymouth posted:That's because I forgot about the sony Nex cameras, all the previous posts were about m4/3. If you're willing to go without a viewfinder, the NEX bodies also offer up incredible IQ. http://www.amazon.com/Sony-FDASV1-Optical-Viewfinder-Black/dp/B003UU3KFO There's definitely an OVF available for current NEX models. No EVF until the NEX7 drops and brings its' own hybrid sexiness to the debate. I'm sorry I stirred up such a hornet's nest by asking about x100 v. M4/3. Tiny camera folks are a little touchy, it seems. This goes for overpriced point and shoot owners as well :P I appreciate the debate and the advice, but quit tossing stats around and measuring your DxO-peen's and get back to taking the awesome photos I've seen you all take with your respective kit.
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krackmonkey posted:I'm sorry I stirred up such a hornet's nest by asking about x100 v. M4/3. Tiny camera folks are a little touchy, it seems. This goes for overpriced point and shoot owners as well :P Sounds like somebody has never been in a thread of Canon and Nikon DSLR owners.
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Costello Jello posted:Sounds like somebody has never been in a thread of Canon and Nikon DSLR owners.
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All this talk is seriously making me reconsider bringing my DSLR on my upcoming extended trip through India/SE Asia...though as much as I would like it, not having a telephoto lens probably means that it cannot be a replacement, and the lack of a viewfinder on the NEX kinda kills me; though it would be nice to be able to use my LTM lenses.
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Studebaker Hawk posted:All this talk is seriously making me reconsider bringing my DSLR on my upcoming extended trip through India/SE Asia...though as much as I would like it, not having a telephoto lens probably means that it cannot be a replacement, and the lack of a viewfinder on the NEX kinda kills me; though it would be nice to be able to use my LTM lenses. I haven't taken my 5D on either of my last two trips. I'm thinking of doing some research and seeing what the smallest 200mm lens I can find is (maybe Leica Visoflex or something?) and adding that to my NEX kit.
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krackmonkey posted:http://www.amazon.com/Sony-FDASV1-Optical-Viewfinder-Black/dp/B003UU3KFO Yes, but... the add on hot-shoe OVFs for the Leica X1 (another good sensor small camera I forgot about, probably because it costs 2k) NEX, and others, not only make the camera less small and more bulky/awkward, but none of them have any kind of information displayed in them. Having to take your eye away everytime you want to check aperture, or shutter speed or confirm AF is annoying. not to mention on the X100, after you take a photo, the EVF engages for 1.5 seconds to show you the image you just took, removing the need to chimp
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poopinmymouth posted:removing the need to chimp FWIW I have a GH1 and it is alot of fun. I am looking to downgrade/sidegrade/upgrade to a smaller m4/3 body sometime in the near future. Esp because they can all be hacked now.
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What hacking can you do to the m4/3 cams?
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Evilkiksass posted:Isn't this still effectively chimping? Also, why are you spoilering stuff? It just looks like the FREEDOM loving CIA got their hands on your post or something. I just like using the spoiler tags, they're fun. Yeah, it is still sort of chimping, but it takes less time. You don't take the camera away from your eye. The term I'm assuming refers to the photographer looking like an enamored chimpanzee goggling at this wonder-tech after every shot, disappearing from taking photos. If you don't take the camera away from your eye, seems less likely to fit the original intent of the word.
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Hey PIMM, get ready to deal with it  NEX-7 to have X100-style viewfinder
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Pompous Rhombus posted:Hey PIMM, get ready to deal with it If it really is 24mp, it would be so tempting. A built in EVF is great, but I do find myself using the OVF 80% or more. I will be watching the Nex7 closely. :-D
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Pompous Rhombus posted:Hey PIMM, get ready to deal with it quote:As you see the NEX-7 has a rangefinder style a là Fuji X100 (Click here to see that camera)! As you know the NEX-7 will feature the same A77 24 Megapixel sensor and a 3 million dot OLED EVF (it is not a hybrid viewfinder!). A 3 million dot OLED EVF would catch my interest. I find myself using EVF almost as much as the OVF because I like to see exposure/live histogram/DOF (with x100 the DOF isn't that useful, it's pretty easy to get everything you want in focus) but I could definitely see myself picking this up as my next ILC.
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It has been a while since I really read any post in this thread but I don't remember reading about the NEX focus peaking which seems like a pretty elegant solution until there is a viewfinder. Combined with a viewfinder this will be badass http://www.popphoto.com/news/2011/06/sony-firmware-update-brings-peaking-to-nex-3-and-nex-5
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Studebaker Hawk posted:It has been a while since I really read any post in this thread but I don't remember reading about the NEX focus peaking which seems like a pretty elegant solution until there is a viewfinder. Combined with a viewfinder this will be badass I've played with it a little and have been completely impressed by how elegant a solution it really is. This is something that everyone should be ripping off and using as a standard feature in any camera that offers manual focusing.
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So focus peaking should work with a manual lens when it's stopped down too, right? Finally an easy to read DOF preview! Now I just need to buy a NEX 
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It worked pretty well! I could even judge dof while intoxicated... ...and then I lost my NEX :sob:
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It really is inspired. When using old glass on my Oly E-420, I often have to resort to using the LCD and judging the pixel shimmer for accurate focus since the OVF is so small and dark. This is basically a reliable extension of that and I agree that everyone should start ripping it off.
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plasmoduck posted:Thanks a lot =), I thought the film thread was more about developing, but now that I see people also talk about gear I will give it a try. Costello Jello posted:Sounds like somebody has never been in a thread of Canon and Nikon DSLR owners. Shmoogy posted:A 3 million dot OLED EVF would catch my interest. ChiTownEddie posted:It worked pretty well! I could even judge dof while intoxicated... evil_bunnY fucked around with this message at 13:08 on Jul 22, 2011 |
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evil_bunnY posted:The film P&S thread will have what you need. Yeah actually, reading through that thread basically answered my questions XD - I ended up getting a Yashica GSN (for 40$ shipped) which should arrive next week. I've been praying that everything is functional as the seller claimed...
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The ovf on the x100 is awesome. Forgot my glasses one day and ended up having to use the ovf as a monocle, which worked out reasonably well I thought.
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I don't know how many of you saw this, but these releases are looking pretty exciting. I for one am excited about the NEX-7 and the new lenses for the NEX system. Sony Alpha Rumors posted posted:
And the news that makes me most excited, a hands on of the NEX-7 and the new Zeiss lens. Sony Alpha Rumors posted posted:http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr3-a-nex-7-one-minute-hands-on-report-zeiss-with-leaf-shutter/ Rontalvos fucked around with this message at 06:58 on Aug 9, 2011 |
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I just had all my gear stolen and am seriously considering the nex-7 as my primary camera and a cheap dslr for macro. Unfortunately, I am planning a lengthy trip overseas beginning Oct.1 and don't think the timing will work. I have been refreshing for a release date like an idiot. I might just get a nex-5 and some lenses and wait...or an x100 Also leaf shutter 
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Leaf shutter owns, overpower the sun with built in flash on the x100, it's ridiculous.
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evil_bunnY posted:Pretty sure that's the back screen, not the one in the EVF. I don't think anyone makes anything that good in such a sall package.
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I just got a free art canvas printing offer for registering my x100 and for being an early adopter. it is $100 value so I am pretty happy. If you guys havent registered your x100's do so now.
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The NEX-7 and the EP-3 were seriously tempting me into selling my x100 for an interchangeable system, but then I looked through the x100 viewfinder again and I wouldn't trade that for anything less. I don't even care that I need to menu dive sometimes and the autofocus is slow as gently caress. There is also a rumor going on about an X50 being announced soon. It has a small sensor, but keeps the ovf. http://www.petapixel.com/2011/08/22/fujifilm-x50-coming-soon-sleekness-of-the-x100-for-half-the-price/
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I'm a little iffy on the larger size of the NEX-7; while I'm sure it's not going to be massive, the biggest draw of the NEX-3 for me was the size. If it's bumping up on Rebel territory, I'd be more likely to just carry a DSLR. I'm sure they bulked it up a bit for the new viewfinder, but I imagine some of it was just to nip the inevitable "OMG TOO SMALL FOR ME" complaints from pros/semi-pros in the bud. The whole point of the system is to have something small (otherwise, just get a DSLR), so compromises like that irk me, especially since I'm 6'1" with proportionally-sized hands and haven't had an issue yet with any camera I've shot with. Quit complaining, you shovel-fisted babbies. On the other hand, my NEX-3 gets a ton of use, and while I don't have any major complaints on it, a professional/prosumer type upgrade would be sorely tempting. I'm going to wait until it hits stores to see if I can live with the size, and if I like it, order one from the US (Japanese version only has Japanese menus, and more importantly, costs like US$500 more).
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Pompous Rhombus posted:I'm a little iffy on the larger size of the NEX-7; while I'm sure it's not going to be massive, the biggest draw of the NEX-3 for me was the size. If it's bumping up on Rebel territory, I'd be more likely to just carry a DSLR. I'm sure they bulked it up a bit for the new viewfinder, but I imagine some of it was just to nip the inevitable "OMG TOO SMALL FOR ME" complaints from pros/semi-pros in the bud. The whole point of the system is to have something small (otherwise, just get a DSLR), so compromises like that irk me, especially since I'm 6'1" with proportionally-sized hands and haven't had an issue yet with any camera I've shot with. Quit complaining, you shovel-fisted babbies. I'm amused by Amazon listing it at 6.2 pounds.
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