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Crackbone
May 23, 2003

Vlaada is my co-pilot.


lenoon posted:

Counterpoint again:

Take maximum heroes, arm them with daggers or slings (if you can), then spend the first games trying to keep them alive - don't worry too much about killing the enemy. Use money made from this strategy to buy all henchmen with ranged weapons.

Win games. Mordheim is all about backing your men off slowly while shooting.

Counterpoint: It's loving Mordheim. Take a group of guys and smash them together, drink some beers.

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Manifest
Jul 7, 2007

HELLO THERE I COME FROM THE FUTURE


Crackbone posted:

Counterpoint: It's loving Mordheim. Take a group of guys and smash them together, drink some beers.

EXACTLY. If you're trying to powergame Mordheim, you should not be playing Mordheim.
I've always had the most fun when we treated it as a hybrid of a pen and paper RPG and tabletop strategy, doing campaigns and naming everyone.

Joebungaloe
Apr 3, 2007


Just bought 10 chaos warhounds off e-bay so I can convert them into sabretusks with gnoblars on top for my OK army.

Cause gently caress paying GW $60 for the 6 of em I need for my 3k army when they look so drat retarded.

Business Gorillas
Mar 11, 2009



Joebungaloe posted:

Just bought 10 chaos warhounds off e-bay so I can convert them into sabretusks with gnoblars on top for my OK army.

You should have the ogres standing on the warhounds (one under each ogre foot) like waterskiis instead.

Fast_Food_Knight
Nov 23, 2007

Be nice, He's a knight!
He's just a fast food knight.


Business Gorillas posted:

You should have the ogres standing on the warhounds (one under each ogre foot) like waterskiis instead.

Properly executed this would be real awesome (do it)

Joebungaloe
Apr 3, 2007


Fast_Food_Knight posted:

Properly executed this would be real awesome (do it)

Alas I need to have them as single drops, but maybe I'll do a cool conversion on them with the last four.

Manifest
Jul 7, 2007

HELLO THERE I COME FROM THE FUTURE


Joebungaloe posted:

Just bought 10 chaos warhounds off e-bay so I can convert them into sabretusks with gnoblars on top for my OK army.

Cause gently caress paying GW $60 for the 6 of em I need for my 3k army when they look so drat retarded.

Conversions are ALWAYS cooler on the table anyway.

So GW put a sample of the first turn of play for Dreadfleet up on g-w.com.

Seems like it's going to be fun for farting around with your buddies over beer/reefer/plastic glue fumes.

serious gaylord
Sep 16, 2007


Winner, Best Scale Model Painter on SA, 2013


Manifest posted:

That doesn't sound like a very fun game of Mordheim.

Theres a reason the elf faction vanished.

Business Gorillas
Mar 11, 2009



So my roommate and I are to the point where we just evaporate each other's armies and we're looking for some new people to play with.

Any goons around the Cincinnati area that wanna play 2500 points?

SolidRed
Jan 23, 2008
and if you didn't know.... NOW YOU KNOW - Christian Cage

lenoon posted:

Counterpoint again:

Take maximum heroes, arm them with daggers or slings (if you can), then spend the first games trying to keep them alive - don't worry too much about killing the enemy. Use money made from this strategy to buy all henchmen with ranged weapons.

Win games. Mordheim is all about backing your men off slowly while shooting.

I'm playing with a bunch of my friends, some of which have wanted to play warhammer in the past but never got past the painting your army stage. I don't want to cheese them to death and have them never want to play again!


Just trying to get everything clear for when I'm attempting to run this campaign. So far I have 1 Night Goblins, 2 Orcs, 1 Chaos, 1 Tomb King, 1 Kislevites(Old empire models, planning to have him use my Carnosaur as a trained bear) so 6 players total which should be pretty good. Here comes the questions!

So you want to take the maximum amount of heroes possible? I was reading in the rulebook that if you take your maximum amount of heroes (so in this Night Goblin army 6 for example) then if a henchmen levels up into a hero, you can't make him one as you are maxed out. Have I understood this correctly?

Also are there any rules or scenarios for 2v2 or 3v3 matches or does Mordheim not really work that way?

I can't seen to figure out where it says the models stat increase limit either. Am I just not looking in the right place?

http://www.mordheimer.com/warbands/...ght_goblins.htm



SolidRed fucked around with this message at Sep 22, 2011 around 03:52

Baruch Obamawitz
Feb 15, 2002

Human with its head split open.


Can we talk Blood Bowl modelling in here?

Miles O'Brian
May 22, 2006

We don't fight fer food, fer teef, or for gunz. We fight cos we woz born to fight. And win.


Absolutely. Blood Bowl is heavily based on the Fantasy universe and its kicking rad to boot.

Feeple
Jul 17, 2004

My favorite part of this hobby is the rules arguments.


Anyone looking to bolster a HE army? I'm thinking of getting Skaven, and would love to arrange a deal. Ideally, we each buy one Island of Blood kit, and send each other the others bits. Anyone down for that let me know at screenname at g mail dot com, please. Thanks!

Not a viking
Aug 2, 2008

Feels like I just got laid


Baruch Obamawitz posted:

Can we talk Blood Bowl modelling in here?

Let's! I just finished building an orc team right now from AoBR orks. I painted one lineorc just to see what it would look like. I'll take pictures when I get home.

e: And here he is. The blitzers will have orange shoulder pads and white helmets while the line orcs will have metal pads and helmets and none of them will have both. Throwers have top knots and the black orcs are the old metal models I got from a friend for cheap.

Not a viking fucked around with this message at Sep 22, 2011 around 20:15

Booley
Apr 25, 2010


Feeple posted:

Anyone looking to bolster a HE army? I'm thinking of getting Skaven, and would love to arrange a deal. Ideally, we each buy one Island of Blood kit, and send each other the others bits. Anyone down for that let me know at screenname at g mail dot com, please. Thanks!

Sent you an email.

Lungboy
Aug 23, 2002

NEED SQUAT FORM HELP

Manifest posted:

So GW put a sample of the first turn of play for Dreadfleet up on g-w.com.

Seems like it's going to be fun for farting around with your buddies over beer/reefer/plastic glue fumes.

It does sound like quite a good game. Hopefully they will have a few games going in the local store to give it a good try.

ineptmule
Dec 3, 2005

[i]Part time Oath Breaker. Full time brogy![.i]


Edit: Doh, replied too late.

Reading that article on Dreadfleet makes me pretty excited. Although I thought this little quote was pretty funny: "The Swordfysh is one of my favourite ships in the game and there are few characters in Warhammer as bizarre as Aranessa - she cut off her own mutated fish tail and replaced it with peg legs made from swordfish blades. You can't get much more Warhammer than that."

ineptmule fucked around with this message at Sep 22, 2011 around 10:12

Shadeoses
May 31, 2011

In the end we shall make thoughtcrime literally impossible, because there will be no words in which to express it. Every concept that can ever be needed, will be expressed by exactly one word, with its meaning rigidly defined and all its subsidiary meanings rubbed out and forgotten.


~uguu~


Is that a Dark Elf character? I can't think of any other group that has both magic and prominent female characters...

Radish
Aug 13, 2003

not so ruff onichan

I'm trying to picture what that means. Did she mutate a tail, cut off the tail, then stick spikes coming out of her butt? I don't quite get it...

I think he means that she grew a big fish tail, then she attacked the spikes to the end to make it some kind of extra attack in combat otherwise it doesn't make any sense.

Radish fucked around with this message at Sep 22, 2011 around 11:14

Baruch Obamawitz
Feb 15, 2002

Human with its head split open.


So I'm making a Lizardmen team. Just buy a box of skinks, or shell out $50 for the metal blood bowl dudes?

e: Based on the website pics, I really don't like the blood bowl sculpts

Radish
Aug 13, 2003

not so ruff onichan

We have a league going right now and like 75% of the teams are based on non BB models. Mostly plastics cobbled together from other kits. I really don't like most of the sculpts myself either.

Also gently caress skinks.

Baruch Obamawitz
Feb 15, 2002

Human with its head split open.


I was playing blood bowl on the computer against elves. Top of turn 16, it's a 1-1 tie. I get the ball with a skink, but don't have enough MA to get him into the endzone; I'm just a square outside. Bottom of 16, they have a catcher downfield, and they set up a two die block on the skink intending to knock the ball down, and get a throw to the downfield catcher. Die roll defender stumbles and push. Sucks for them; skink's got block and sidestep, and I score on their turn.

Prefect Six
Mar 27, 2009



Simpo posted:

bearing in mind that the original warbands in the book werent really balanced against each other at all, I'm sure it doesn't really matter. I've actually heard that a lot of the unofficial stuff is actually more balanced.

Actually, looking at it it might perform a bit worse initially since it only has max 4 starting heroes.

Well, my concern was someone would look at it and go 'these unofficial rules are bullshit over powered' or something, but sounds like they're reasonable.

Thanks guys!

Radish
Aug 13, 2003

not so ruff onichan

In my experience Mordheim leagues last long enough for one person to breach the "I'm not going to abuse the rules" cold war and make some kind of sniper team or load up on the best mutations and then it breaks down as everyone tries to compete until it's no longer fun.

ineptmule
Dec 3, 2005

[i]Part time Oath Breaker. Full time brogy![.i]


How are shooting hits distributed against a unit containing a champion and no characters?

The example I am thinking of: I have a unit of High Elf swordmasters with a Bladelord as its champion. The Bladelord is allowed to take 25 points of magic items. If I give him magic items which improve his armour save, can shooting hits against the unit be allocated to him with his higher chance of saving them?

Edit: Now that I think about it, this is more a question about different armour saves within units, in which case I think all wounds must have saves attempted with the majority save value, so I think I have answered my own question. If I'm wrong though, please tell me!

Fast_Food_Knight
Nov 23, 2007

Be nice, He's a knight!
He's just a fast food knight.


I thought all shooting and 'hits distributed as per shooting' never hit the command group until the rest of the unit have been wiped out.

Blade_of_tyshalle
Jul 12, 2009

If you think that, along the way, you're not going to fail... you're blind.

There's no one I've ever met, no matter how successful they are, who hasn't said they had their failures along the way.



Radish posted:

I'm trying to picture what that means. Did she mutate a tail, cut off the tail, then stick spikes coming out of her butt? I don't quite get it...

I think he means that she grew a big fish tail, then she attacked the spikes to the end to make it some kind of extra attack in combat otherwise it doesn't make any sense.

I think it means she had a fish tail instead of legs, like a mermaid, and chopped it off to replace with peglegs so she can pinwheel madly across the deck, glowering furiously at anyone who dares look at her when she inevitably becomes lodged in a knot in the deckboards.

Meanwhile, her enormous hat floats gently out to sea, the immense plume sodden with salt water.

Manifest
Jul 7, 2007

HELLO THERE I COME FROM THE FUTURE


Radish posted:

I'm trying to picture what that means. Did she mutate a tail, cut off the tail, then stick spikes coming out of her butt? I don't quite get it...

I think he means that she grew a big fish tail, then she attacked the spikes to the end to make it some kind of extra attack in combat otherwise it doesn't make any sense.

I took it to mean that one of her legs mutated into a fish tail or something, and she hacked it off and replaced it with shark bits for a peg leg.

KingFisher
Oct 30, 2006
WORST EDITOR in the history of my expansion school's student paper. Then I married a BEER HEIRESS and now I shitpost SA by white-knighting the status quo to defend my unearned life of privilege.

Are any of you UK goons going to Gamesday UK?

If so is there anyway I could pay you to buy me a copy of tamurkhan and the GD only Hellsmith?

Khorne Flakes
Apr 30, 2008



I need some TK advice. I've been playing them for a few months and really enjoy their play style, but what do people do with their heriophants ( yours or maybe someone you've faced )?

The regen with tomb guard is great, but its too risky since TG usually take on the nasty poo poo and will end up dragging him into it as well.

Warriors are pussies, and unless you run 60+, they will get run over with him in it.

I've tried archers units, and they don't do it for me. This is probably my better option, but I've tried large units of them before and bs 2 ( even with no mods ) str 3 doesn't kill a drat thing. People talk them up, but I have never seen archers do anything to merit taking them, even with Khalida.

Last option is small warriors squad to just hide in. Never assault, just cast from the safety of a 20 block behind your lines.

I have tried all of these set ups, but still cant find the right way to hide him. I usually run a Necrotect for my constructs, a 2nd caster either light or death ( sometimes arkhan, and I usually rotate a herald BsB or tomb prince for tomb guard. So I have even a harder time properly placing every character where they need to be.

Not a viking
Aug 2, 2008

Feels like I just got laid


ineptmule posted:

How are shooting hits distributed against a unit containing a champion and no characters?

The example I am thinking of: I have a unit of High Elf swordmasters with a Bladelord as its champion. The Bladelord is allowed to take 25 points of magic items. If I give him magic items which improve his armour save, can shooting hits against the unit be allocated to him with his higher chance of saving them?

Edit: Now that I think about it, this is more a question about different armour saves within units, in which case I think all wounds must have saves attempted with the majority save value, so I think I have answered my own question. If I'm wrong though, please tell me!

Unless the unit has five models or less (or less than five, I can't remember) it won't matter, the shots will hit the rank and file models.

If its five (or less than five) models in the unit, the shots are randomized.

Flippycunt
Apr 27, 2006

History has shown us that the love of power will always exceed the power of love. Plan accordingly.


ForKhorne posted:

I need some TK advice. I've been playing them for a few months and really enjoy their play style, but what do people do with their heriophants ( yours or maybe someone you've faced )?

The regen with tomb guard is great, but its too risky since TG usually take on the nasty poo poo and will end up dragging him into it as well.

Warriors are pussies, and unless you run 60+, they will get run over with him in it.

I've tried archers units, and they don't do it for me. This is probably my better option, but I've tried large units of them before and bs 2 ( even with no mods ) str 3 doesn't kill a drat thing. People talk them up, but I have never seen archers do anything to merit taking them, even with Khalida.

Last option is small warriors squad to just hide in. Never assault, just cast from the safety of a 20 block behind your lines.

I have tried all of these set ups, but still cant find the right way to hide him. I usually run a Necrotect for my constructs, a 2nd caster either light or death ( sometimes arkhan, and I usually rotate a herald BsB or tomb prince for tomb guard. So I have even a harder time properly placing every character where they need to be.

I usually roll with him in my largest unit of Skeleton warriors so they can roll for regen against shooting and magic, then have him bail before contact with the enemy.

It is tricky keeping him alive though.

Radish
Aug 13, 2003

not so ruff onichan

Blade_of_tyshalle posted:

I think it means she had a fish tail instead of legs, like a mermaid, and chopped it off to replace with peglegs so she can pinwheel madly across the deck, glowering furiously at anyone who dares look at her when she inevitably becomes lodged in a knot in the deckboards.

Meanwhile, her enormous hat floats gently out to sea, the immense plume sodden with salt water.

I'm imagining her something like Captain K'nuckles with a half pegleg body but made out of fish parts.

Joebungaloe
Apr 3, 2007


ForKhorne posted:

I need some TK advice. I've been playing them for a few months and really enjoy their play style, but what do people do with their heriophants ( yours or maybe someone you've faced )?

The regen with tomb guard is great, but its too risky since TG usually take on the nasty poo poo and will end up dragging him into it as well.

Warriors are pussies, and unless you run 60+, they will get run over with him in it.

I've tried archers units, and they don't do it for me. This is probably my better option, but I've tried large units of them before and bs 2 ( even with no mods ) str 3 doesn't kill a drat thing. People talk them up, but I have never seen archers do anything to merit taking them, even with Khalida.

Last option is small warriors squad to just hide in. Never assault, just cast from the safety of a 20 block behind your lines.

I have tried all of these set ups, but still cant find the right way to hide him. I usually run a Necrotect for my constructs, a 2nd caster either light or death ( sometimes arkhan, and I usually rotate a herald BsB or tomb prince for tomb guard. So I have even a harder time properly placing every character where they need to be.


One of my opponents hordes his TG, and sticks his heiro on the very edge. If he charges anything but a horde, he has enough width to place his caster out of b2b, and even if he doesn't, being on the very end alongside another character means that your opponent must actively select which model they are striking. It doesn't work great, but its the best I've seen anyone do while keeping him in the unit and not having him bail prior to combat.

Deino
Dec 14, 2010



Goddamnit. I just modeled a cool-looking standard for a Wargor BSB, and am having second thoughts about taking a BSB at all in a 1000pt army when I could just give him the Crown of Command and make his unit of Bestigor have Stubborn. Would you rather be Ld 8 with Stubborn, or Ld 8 with a re-roll?

Prefect Six
Mar 27, 2009



So ordered dreadfleet and two direct-order minis (Chakax and the Old Blood Standard Bearer) from GW and the direct order stuff is still being processed. That was on the 16th. Are they going to wait until dreadfleet launches to send me my stuff? So much for 'ships within 24 hours'.

SolidRed
Jan 23, 2008
and if you didn't know.... NOW YOU KNOW - Christian Cage

Deino posted:

Goddamnit. I just modeled a cool-looking standard for a Wargor BSB, and am having second thoughts about taking a BSB at all in a 1000pt army when I could just give him the Crown of Command and make his unit of Bestigor have Stubborn. Would you rather be Ld 8 with Stubborn, or Ld 8 with a re-roll?

Have they changed the rules so BSB's only work for the unit they are in? I used to run a BSB in my Bestigor unit and it worked well in sixth.

If you made a cool unit use it unless you're going to a tournament you'll enjoy it more.

Powergaming wise if you're just considering the Bestigor unit (or they changed the rules) Stubborn seems much better. Do you still lose 100 points if your BSB is run down?

Flippycunt
Apr 27, 2006

History has shown us that the love of power will always exceed the power of love. Plan accordingly.


I thought the BSB effected everyone in like a 12" radius or something

Not a viking
Aug 2, 2008

Feels like I just got laid


It does. It also affects all Ld based tests, not just break tests.

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Lungboy
Aug 23, 2002

NEED SQUAT FORM HELP

Prefect Six posted:

So ordered dreadfleet and two direct-order minis (Chakax and the Old Blood Standard Bearer) from GW and the direct order stuff is still being processed. That was on the 16th. Are they going to wait until dreadfleet launches to send me my stuff? So much for 'ships within 24 hours'.

You should have had the option to "split and process" the order, so that the preorder stuff is sent when it's available and the current stuff gets sent straight away. It seems to be a way of them stopping people getting free shipping on low value stuff by bundling it in with preordered stuff of a high enough value.

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