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happyhippy posted:The sorts that say 'its a plan you can not imagine' are the ones who are trying to get you to shut up and continue believing. Why even stop there. If he made us all as part of his ongoing plan, then you're destined to go to hell/heaven no matter what you do to try and change that. Guavanaut posted:And that's where you start heading down the road into Christian Antinatalism. Well, the bible also has God saying be fruitful and multiply... SocketWrench fucked around with this message at 17:03 on Nov 20, 2014 |
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quote:Ferguson Race War and What Could Possibly Go Wrong?.[4] quote:Anyone who honestly understands what Margaret Sanger (in conjunction with John D. Rockefeller) tried to do in the early days of America realizes that her efforts at eugenics was done to eliminate “inferior races” from American society. quote:Sanger met with groups like the Ku Klux Klan, a terrorist group started by the Democrats and used to terrorize blacks and Republicans as well. quote:This is the legacy of Democrats, which is still being fostered today, carried on by the likes of Rockefeller’s ancestors and people who either believe Sanger was one of the good people or knows her actual intent and agree with it, while pretending she was one of the good people.  Then we veer into  quote:For too long now, the rumor has persisted that globalists want to shrink the world’s population down to a manageable 500 million, from its current 7 billion (and growing). It would seem that there are many things happening in the world that would verify this rumor. Wars eliminate people. Pestilences and diseases (like Ebola) eliminate people. Race wars will even eliminate people.
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It's true, I did very recently hear a rumor like that. On conservapedia.
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The entire system of market capitalism is predicated on continual growth. Why would globalists want to rapidly deplete the population? Answers in the form of conservapedian conspiracy BS.
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Political Whores posted:No I know. I'm saying they took a trend noticed only over the last 40 years and inexplicably extended it over 6000, claiming 40 years as a doubling because that's the point we have extremely accurate seismic data to go back to. Because "entropy". It's amazing how tortured their conclusions are. You want tortured conclusions? I'll give you tortured conclusions. Conservapedia's Counterexamples to an Old Earth posted:Land is sinking into the oceans at a rate of at least 7 inches per century,[47] which would have rendered most of the United States under water if the Earth were not young. So, what's that reference? The article linked as reference to that claim posted:While the economy may be the most immediate issue, climate change is on our doorstep, said Melanie Reding, education coordinator for the Jacques Cousteau Coastal Education Center in Little Egg Harbor. That article has sunk into the paid archives of the site, but I'm relatively sure that if we kept reading, we'd find the prediction that, based on the current rate of global warming, sea levels are expected to rise roughly 7 inches over the next 100 years. Andbert Schlafstein took an article about global warming's estimated effect on the future, and extrapolated it backwards as his proof of YEC. This article is a very deep rabbit hole.
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Guavanaut posted:The entire system of market capitalism is predicated on continual growth. Why would globalists want to rapidly deplete the population? The massive dying-off caused by the Black Death gave the surviving commoners far more bargaining power which allowed them to drag themselves out of serfdom. And that was after only half or so of Europe's population dying. If there was reduction to 500 million (or an over 93% death toll) then there is no way that the alleged conspirators, governments, or whatever behind it would have any power left. If anything the elites would benefit far more from unfettered population growth, causing the common folk to fight among themselves for dwindling scraps.
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Looking at Freep, it seems like the reason they say stuff like this is that this conspiracy allows them to pretend that things like genocide, and in particular the Holocaust, are rooted in leftist ideas of social engineering, rather than originating in the type of racial supremacism that is one of the mainstays of reactionary conservatism. Conservepedians are Freepers, the type of people will segue from talking about how Obama is planning to kill millions of innocent Americans, to discussing the need to round up the urban ferals and be rid of them once and for all with no self awareness whatsoever. But don't forget that abortion rights are black genocide. Political Whores fucked around with this message at 09:45 on Nov 21, 2014 |
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Nov 21, 2014 09:42
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Furgeson is making Helter Skelter come true at the same time Charles Manson is getting married. Coincidence?
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Political Whores posted:Looking at Freep, it seems like the reason they say stuff like this is that this conspiracy allows them to pretend that things like genocide, and in particular the Holocaust, are rooted in leftist ideas of social engineering, rather than originating in the type of racial supremacism that is one of the mainstays of reactionary conservatism. Genocide only counts if the victims are people. Urban ferals aren't people. QED. Everything the left does is wrong. The fact that they advocate extermination via abortion just proves they're a bunch of racist liars. ToxicSlurpee fucked around with this message at 11:37 on Nov 21, 2014 |
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Political Whores posted:Looking at Freep, it seems like the reason they say stuff like this is that this conspiracy allows them to pretend that things like genocide, and in particular the Holocaust, are rooted in leftist ideas of social engineering, rather than originating in the type of racial supremacism that is one of the mainstays of reactionary conservatism. This is Conservatism and evangical christianity in a nutshell. Push all the bad stuff away and blame it on the other side (leftists, atheists, muslims, etc) and take credit for all the good. I assure you if the holocaust was deemed as right they'd take full credit for it.
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SocketWrench posted:This is Conservatism and evangical christianity in a nutshell. Push all the bad stuff away and blame it on the other side (leftists, atheists, muslims, etc) and take credit for all the good. quote:Liberals deny that Hitler and the Nazi party were in fact Liberals (anti-Semitism is a well-documented characteristic of Liberal Christianity as is the PETA-like Green wing of the Third Reich[8]) You are not kidding.
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The day will come when liberals are the real homophobes.
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RagnarokAngel posted:The day will come when liberals are the real homophobes. quote:Homophobia would be an irrational fear or hatred of homosexuals, if it really existed. The current usage of terms like "homophobic" and "homophobe" imply that all opposition to homosexuality is crazy. Actually there are many sociological, psychological and medical reasons that many logically-thinking people oppose homosexuality. It'll be a while, because they are loving reveling in it.
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http://www.conservapedia.com/Talk:Bill_Cosby posted:As a conservative I may not agree 100% with Dr Cosby's political views but he is a great comedian and a wonderful human being. (of course, the article has been untouched since 2008, but it's just an indicator of how stale Conservapedia lets their articles get.)
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RagnarokAngel posted:The day will come when liberals are the real homophobes. "Homosexuality is a sin, yet liberals refuse to acknowledge this fact and tell homosexuals that their lifestyle is fine and to continue to live it. This will cause all homosexuals who listen to them to be condemned to Hell, where they will burn for all eternity for their wickedness. If liberals truly loved homosexuals, wouldn't they tell them to stop their homosexual ways so that they would avoid Hell and come to the loving arms of Jesus Christ? The fact that they do not do this, but encourage homosexuals to condemn themselves to Hell shows that they secretly hate homosexuals. Therefore, liberals are the real homophobes."
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Liberals let homosexuals marry each other which guarantees they will not reproduce, wiping them out. As you can see, the most dangerous place for a homosexual is in a lesbian's womb.
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happyhippy posted:The sorts that say 'its a plan you can not imagine' are the ones who are trying to get you to shut up and continue believing. Let's see…. Plan A: Create the universe, put Adam in the Garden to tend it. Oops, he needs a helpmeet. Plan B: Leave two innocents in the Garden with only one rule. Oops. Anyone who's raised kids knows how that was likely to work out. Plan C: Kick 'em out of the Garden. Oops, don't like how the developed, kill everyone except Noah and his family. Plan D: Send Jesus down to fix everything and usher in the Kingdom. We all know how well that worked out. Plan E: There's this guy in a cave, let's give him a new set of instructions. Welp. God isn't good with plans. Which is all you can expect from a demiurge who can't find Adam and Eve hiding in the Garden.
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There seems to be a vast difference between how Jews and Christians view God which makes some of the OT seem really weird from a Christian perspective. From what I understand, Judaism doesn't necessarily view God as omniscient, and if you view the OT that way it makes sense. God didn't know Adam and Eve would disobey, God didn't know where they were hiding, God didn't know if Abraham really would sacrifice Isaac, and so on. These actions make sense if you take the view that God didn't know the future and wasn't even aware of everything in the present. The problem comes in when Christianity decides to say God is all-knowing. This basically requires you to frame everything God did where he seemingly didn't know the outcome as "Well, he knew the outcome, but it was a test." Or that God totally knew where Adam and Eve were, he was just pretending he didn't to see if they'd reveal themselves to him.
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Twelve by Pies posted:There seems to be a vast difference between how Jews and Christians view God which makes some of the OT seem really weird from a Christian perspective. From what I understand, Judaism doesn't necessarily view God as omniscient, and if you view the OT that way it makes sense. God didn't know Adam and Eve would disobey, God didn't know where they were hiding, God didn't know if Abraham really would sacrifice Isaac, and so on. These actions make sense if you take the view that God didn't know the future and wasn't even aware of everything in the present. The three most common omni-traits given to God, omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent, each has their own set of problems about them and they don't exactly get better when you start piling them on.
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Who What Now posted:The three most common omni-traits given to God, omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent, each has their own set of problems about them and they don't exactly get better when you start piling them on. Oh it's easy: he's a sadist, that's all.
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Twelve by Pies posted:The problem comes in when Christianity decides to say God is all-knowing. This basically requires you to frame everything God did where he seemingly didn't know the outcome as "Well, he knew the outcome, but it was a test." Or that God totally knew where Adam and Eve were, he was just pretending he didn't to see if they'd reveal themselves to him. But what's the point of testing people when you know the outcome? It just makes no sense. God is all, He is limitless; how could He not know absolutely you will turn left instead of right at the fork in the road?
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:But what's the point of testing people when you know the outcome? It just makes no sense. God is all, He is limitless; how could He not know absolutely you will turn left instead of right at the fork in the road? God's a jerk.
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How all-knowingness relates to predestination and whether predestination is true has a lot of writing and a lot of different Christian sects. Not sure if Conservapedia has an official stance on that issue but one doesn't necessarily demand the other.
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Shbobdb posted:How all-knowingness relates to predestination and whether predestination is true has a lot of writing and a lot of different Christian sects. Not sure if Conservapedia has an official stance on that issue but one doesn't necessarily demand the other. How can being all knowing not also necessitate predestination?
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Who What Now posted:How can being all knowing not also necessitate predestination? How can a mechanistic universe not necessitate predestination?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predestination http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_free_will Plenty of different ways.
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today in the conservapedia thread we've learnt that multiple millennia worth of theology is somewhat complex
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Shbobdb posted:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predestination Right. the arguments equally apply for omniscient god and complete absence of god.
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BBJoey posted:today in the conservapedia thread we've learnt that multiple millennia worth of theology is somewhat complex That puts us at least one step ahead of Andy[1]. 1. Fact.
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Jack Gladney posted:Oh it's easy: he's a sadist, that's all. Will you be having your scenery salted or plain, mr. Pacino? Who What Now posted:How can being all knowing not also necessitate predestination? Knowing everything d oesn't mean you know everything true. I know if I flip this coin it will either come up heads or tails. God knows every possibility, but free will dictates what possibility will happen.
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Fulchrum posted:Will you be having your scenery salted or plain, mr. Pacino? If God doesn't know the outcome, he doesn't know everything. Omniscience doesn't mean knowing all the possibilities, it means knowing everything.
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An omnibenevolent, omniscient and omnipotent being in this reality is irreconcilable and all the thought directed towards making them fit together is just tap dancing around the issue.
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:An omnibenevolent, omniscient and omnipotent being in this reality is irreconcilable and all the thought directed towards making them fit together is just tap dancing around the issue. thanks for contributing your opinion on religion in this, the "The Best (Worst) Of Conservapedia" thread. 
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BBJoey posted:thanks for contributing your opinion on religion in this, the "The Best (Worst) Of Conservapedia" thread. Everyone else was doing it, I just wanted to be cool.
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You imitated goons in an attempt to be cool? 
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SMBC already did it. http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=2292
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:But what's the point of testing people when you know the outcome? It just makes no sense. God is all, He is limitless; how could He not know absolutely you will turn left instead of right at the fork in the road? He's really, really loving bored. He's immortal and all-knowing. About the only thing he can do for fun is gently caress around with his ant farm. I.e, us.
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Nintendo Kid posted:Right. the arguments equally apply for omniscient god and complete absence of god. Not really. Those arguments all take the existence of God as a given.
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quote:The girly man vs. the sheriff: Who will win? [4] quote:Although it has not yet been verified through documentation, in a private conversation with a Reagan speech writer I was told that Reagan warned the Ayatollah Khomeini that he would nuke Mecca if the captives were not released the day he took office. This is held as a good thing, having the threat of nuclear bombardment be taken seriously. quote:When the President speaks of justice he has no understanding of the concept. America’s Founding Fathers understood it well, however. Their response would have been quick and final: Goodbye Mecca, goodbye Tripoli, goodbye Cairo – parking lots one and all…  : Just fuckin' kill him. Fuckin' kill him. Kill him already, kill him.quote:Media Silent As Third Oklahoma Muslim STABS Christian.[5] Teapartycrusaders.com is reveling in islamohpobia. It's a sight to see.
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:
There are literally two clear examples of how the founding fathers reacted to Muslim aggression in the First and Second Barbary Wars and, oh no, neither of them ended with mass killings. In fact as wars go they were barely of note based on the casualties both sides sustained.  e: That's not to mention the multiple treaties signed with the Barbary states beforehand less than two decades after the revolution.
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