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cuedotcom
Jun 16, 2009

The devil's name is dullness.


Penguissimo posted:

If you're interested in streamlining this process, there's a setting on the GV webpage that lets you forward calls to Google Talk. Then you just leave a Gmail tab open and you can receive calls in the browser too.

Thanks for the heads up.

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Penguissimo
Apr 7, 2007



cuedotnet posted:

Thanks for the heads up.

No problem. One heads-up: it's been an awesome service and pretty reliable for me, but just make sure to refresh the tab every couple of hours or so to make sure it's still connected. I've only ever had it fail to catch a couple of calls (and of course I had my phone as a fallback), but if you're expecting an important call, it can't hurt to have a fresh tab ready.

Mighty Horse
Jul 24, 2007

Speed, Class, Bankruptcy.


Or you can run the google talk app on your desktop

Penguissimo
Apr 7, 2007



Mighty Horse posted:

Or you can run the google talk app on your desktop

Does that let you receive GV calls, or just do voice/video chat to other Talk users? I have a Mac so I have no experience with that program.

Alarbus
Mar 31, 2010


Cheekio posted:

I live in nowhere Vermont, and visiting family brought up a tablet with a verizon data plan.

Now my phone is only 3g capable, but the tablet (capable of 4g) was receiving 4g signal despite my location not being on any 4g maps.

So... what the hell? I went to speedtest.net and confirmed that it was a significantly higher data rate (12 mb/sec down, 5 mb/sec up, ping around 65 ms). Is this likely an area they are testing and opening soon, with that one day being a fluke, or if I got 4g over the weekend should I be able to count on 4g til the map updates?

I just bought a Nexus and had 4G this week. Verizon rep said target turn on of 4G is June or so for Vermont. It'll come and go until the official announcement.

Goon Matchmaker
Oct 23, 2003

I play too much EVE-Online

cuedotnet posted:

I'm not even sure though how much data 5000+ texts a month using Google voice generates. Not that it matters to me really.

Texting, as far as I know anyways, is essentially free for the carriers. They put the SMS in a packet (not sure that's the right word) in space that would go completely unused.

waffle iron
Jan 16, 2004


Goon Matchmaker posted:

Texting, as far as I know anyways, is essentially free for the carriers. They put the SMS in a packet (not sure that's the right word) in space that would go completely unused.
SMS messages are sent and received on the control band transmissions that a cell tower uses to know that you're connected to it.

DailyDOZO
Oct 14, 2009

SWAG

Anyone know how much it really costs to send MMS messages for the carrier?

Goon Matchmaker
Oct 23, 2003

I play too much EVE-Online

DailyDOZO posted:

Anyone know how much it really costs to send MMS messages for the carrier?

More or less nothing.

Edit: That's for SMS. MMS is probably still more or less nothing though but I can't find anything.

Edit2: MMS according to this should cost less than SMS.

Goon Matchmaker fucked around with this message at Mar 12, 2012 around 04:04

ExcessBLarg!
Aug 31, 2001


Goon Matchmaker posted:

Edit2: MMS according to this should cost less than SMS.
Given that an MMS is delivered via an SMS that contains the message URL, it costs at least as much as an SMS.

But really, it's hard to attach a price to SMS messages because the vast majority of their cost is in providing the service infrastructure. The actual cost of sending one message, assuming the infrastructure is in place and has sufficient bandwidth, is "nothing" except when sending messages to another carrier and the other carrier charges a per-message fee for transit.

20 a message is an absurd price point, but the idea for the crazy-high per-message SMS fees is to encourage folks who make significant use of SMS to pay a monthly rate for an SMS plan. See, it doesn't really make sense to charge per SMS because the costs aren't incurred per SMS at the carrier. In constrast, a monthly SMS plan is stable, predictable revenue that enables the carrier to build out their network infrastructure. Although frankly, if you're already paying for a data plan, I see absolutely no reason to either pay, or make use of SMS services. Thankfully Google Voice agrees with that opinion.

A few other notes: SMS messages are transmitted on the cellular network control channels. Historically these channels are much more bandwidth constrained, and have much greater access demand (since handsets are listening to them all the time), than bulk data channels. This is why direct bandwidth cost comparisons between SMS and bulk data isn't really fair.

One consequence of this is that, if there's a lot of texting traffic within a cell, the control channel can/will run out of bandwidth even though there's unused voice/data channels. Of course, that's not really a great reason to charge a poo poo-ton for messages. QoS texts with low priority is one solution. Another is to implement a data-based messaging protocol for handsets (like Google Voice does) that folks silently make use of who are having "text conversations", and leave legacy SMS as a notification service for handsets that don't have active data connections. But that kind of thinking is "engineering a solution" instead of "raise costs to drive down demand and make even better margins."

Let's hope LTE fixes all this.

Auron
Jan 10, 2002

Drunken Robot Rage

Just a heads up, Verizon does infact charge you for outgoing texts from Google Voice. They are considered out of network texts. So...yeah..you're not getting free texting with google voice as I've found out.

edit: I'm dumb

Auron fucked around with this message at Mar 13, 2012 around 00:44

8-bit Miniboss
May 24, 2005

Settin' the world on
FIRE!


Auron posted:

Just a heads up, Verizon does infact charge you for outgoing texts from Google Voice. They are considered out of network texts. So...yeah..you're not getting free texting with google voice as I've found out.

But it's supposed to be data...

Edit: Hang on, are you using the actual Google Voice app? I know for sure that's data only.

TheSleeper
Feb 20, 2003


Auron posted:

Just a heads up, Verizon does infact charge you for outgoing texts from Google Voice. They are considered out of network texts. So...yeah..you're not getting free texting with google voice as I've found out.

You're entirely incorrect. As long as you're using the app and have it configured not to forward texts to your phone(because you get them in the app) it's free.

Auron
Jan 10, 2002

Drunken Robot Rage

8-bit Miniboss posted:

But it's supposed to be data...

Edit: Hang on, are you using the actual Google Voice app? I know for sure that's data only.

At first I was replying using the stock SMS which obviously racked messages up, then switched to GV app and made sure that "received texts on this phone" was disabled on the GV settings and I"m still watching texts rack up on my verizon account.

TheSleeper
Feb 20, 2003


Auron posted:

At first I was replying using the stock SMS which obviously racked messages up, then switched to GV app and made sure that "received texts on this phone" was disabled on the GV settings and I"m still watching texts rack up on my verizon account.

People are probably texting your phone number rather than your google voice number.

edit: Just to be absolutely clear, I use google voice and do not pay for texts so you are definitely doing something wrong.

8-bit Miniboss
May 24, 2005

Settin' the world on
FIRE!


Auron posted:

At first I was replying using the stock SMS which obviously racked messages up, then switched to GV app and made sure that "received texts on this phone" was disabled on the GV settings and I"m still watching texts rack up on my verizon account.

This is my current text usage for this period:



I text far more than that through GV. Those 8 are from me using shortcodes (because Google Voice doesn't support it) for that Taco Bell/PS Vita thing and the local transit authority schedule and one from VZW.

You're doing something wrong.

Auron
Jan 10, 2002

Drunken Robot Rage

TheSleeper posted:

People are probably texting your phone number rather than your google voice number.

edit: Just to be absolutely clear, I use google voice and do not pay for texts so you are definitely doing something wrong.


Edit: Well I'm a dope, i didn't realize VZW messages would be counted on the message count. I've received a ton since I just activated today. The rest are from replying through the stock SMS app.

Auron fucked around with this message at Mar 13, 2012 around 00:43

stormrider
Sep 18, 2003

Absolut Awful

I'm 8 months out from my next upgrade, and my Droid x is getting super flaky.

I see Amazon now does phone upgrades, not just new contracts, and I could upgrade to the galaxy nexus for about $100 less than through verizon.

Any downsides to doing an upgrade through amazon? Do I need to worry about account changes that could jeopardize my unlimited plan or anything?

Casual Racist
Aug 5, 2004

Repeat after me: I am not a pleasure unit.

I just upgraded to a Nexus through Amazon, the only downside is you have to keep the phone activated on your number for at least 6 months or you have to pay a $250 ETF to Amazon, but other than that it's the same as with Verizon. I got to keep my unlimited data with no problems.

Ciabatta
Aug 20, 2008

by Y Kant Ozma Post


Casual Racist posted:

I just upgraded to a Nexus through Amazon, the only downside is you have to keep the phone activated on your number for at least 6 months or you have to pay a $250 ETF to Amazon, but other than that it's the same as with Verizon. I got to keep my unlimited data with no problems.

You have to keep the plan for at least 6 months. The phone you have on your plan shouldn't matter.

indigenous nudity
Jun 17, 2004

we like to watch


I wasn't sure if this should go in this thread or the iPad thread, so I'm rolling the dice. I bought a Xoom about a year ago and did the 2-year contract thing (yeah, yeah, I know). I want to get the 4G iPad 3 to use on my data plan instead. Will there be any hassle on swapping out devices on my data plan in this situation?

chocolateTHUNDER
Jul 19, 2008

GIVE ME ALL YOUR FREE AGENTS

ALL OF THEM


If I buy an Incredible 2 locally through craigslist, I have pretty much no warranty right?

Verizon wouldn't exchange it if something broke, and neither would HTC?

8-bit Miniboss
May 24, 2005

Settin' the world on
FIRE!


chocolateTHUNDER posted:

If I buy an Incredible 2 locally through craigslist, I have pretty much no warranty right?

Verizon wouldn't exchange it if something broke, and neither would HTC?

Nope, most manufacturer warranties do not move on new owners if the product is used.

When buying used Verizon phones, insist on getting the phone's ESN to check with Verizon. You don't want to get burned on buying a blacklisted phone.

Mark Larson
Dec 27, 2003

Interesting...

chocolateTHUNDER posted:

If I buy an Incredible 2 locally through craigslist, I have pretty much no warranty right?

Verizon wouldn't exchange it if something broke, and neither would HTC?

Yeah, unless you get the $1.99 extended warranty. You might still be able to warranty it through HTC though.

Casual Racist
Aug 5, 2004

Repeat after me: I am not a pleasure unit.

Ciabatta posted:

You have to keep the plan for at least 6 months. The phone you have on your plan shouldn't matter.

Well I just glanced it over but here is what Amazon says,

"When you purchase your device with service from AmazonWireless.com, we automatically pass along an instant discount from the carrier to you. This discount has been provided to you based on your agreement to (a) activate a new, or extend an existing, line of service for this device with the carrier, and (b) maintain this service in good standing for a minimum of 181 consecutive days. If you do not activate or extend a line of service in connection with this device, or if your service is canceled/disconnected before 181 consecutive days, AmazonWireless.com will charge you $250 per device, plus applicable taxes."

Ciabatta
Aug 20, 2008

by Y Kant Ozma Post


Casual Racist posted:

Well I just glanced it over but here is what Amazon says,

"When you purchase your device with service from AmazonWireless.com, we automatically pass along an instant discount from the carrier to you. This discount has been provided to you based on your agreement to (a) activate a new, or extend an existing, line of service for this device with the carrier, and (b) maintain this service in good standing for a minimum of 181 consecutive days. If you do not activate or extend a line of service in connection with this device, or if your service is canceled/disconnected before 181 consecutive days, AmazonWireless.com will charge you $250 per device, plus applicable taxes."

Right, they say you need to actually follow through with the new line/contract extension and keep that service for at least 181 days. It's changes in the plan that will trigger that. Same goes for the carrier, although their ETF extends much longer obviously.

Jake Gittes
Jul 11, 2006

My attitude is leave me the fuck alone.

I'm got getting data of any sort (4g,3g, or otherwise) this morning in the Houston area. Anyone else having any problems?

nickhimself
Jul 16, 2007

I GIVE YOU MY INFO YOU LOG IN AND PUT IN BUILD I PAY YOU 3 BLESSINGS


What's the likelihood of bringing my thunderbolt to verizon and complaining about the battery life / myriad poo poo performance problems enough to have them give me a discount on a new phone?

When I first got it, I was okay. The battery life is HORRIBLE with the standard battery and stock ROM. You have to turn off so many features that it's barely a smart phone anymore, it's more of a phone that has some apps you can use if you're near a charger.

rooting and getting an extended battery helped me out immensely, but I hate carrying around this fat rear end phone in my pocket just to ensure it doesn't kill itself halfway through the day without a charger.

I want the droid razr maxx and am willing to pay the renewal price, but not retail. Retail pricing for phones is hilarious

Don Lapre
Mar 28, 2001

If you're having problems you're either holding the phone wrong or you have tiny girl hands.


nickhimself posted:

What's the likelihood of bringing my thunderbolt to verizon and complaining about the battery life / myriad poo poo performance problems enough to have them give me a discount on a new phone?

When I first got it, I was okay. The battery life is HORRIBLE with the standard battery and stock ROM. You have to turn off so many features that it's barely a smart phone anymore, it's more of a phone that has some apps you can use if you're near a charger.

rooting and getting an extended battery helped me out immensely, but I hate carrying around this fat rear end phone in my pocket just to ensure it doesn't kill itself halfway through the day without a charger.

I want the droid razr maxx and am willing to pay the renewal price, but not retail. Retail pricing for phones is hilarious

Are you still under warranty? We had a droid 2 global that was having tons of issues. I called and the rep said there was a patch being worked on but he had no idea when or if it would come out, I eventually got them to send me a refurb droid 3 as replacement.

nickhimself
Jul 16, 2007

I GIVE YOU MY INFO YOU LOG IN AND PUT IN BUILD I PAY YOU 3 BLESSINGS


If the warranty lasts months and months, sure. I got the Thunderbolt shortly after it came out, prior to 4G even being available in my city.

Like I said, I don't have a problem paying upgrade pricing on a new phone; I'm just sick of this piece of poo poo.


edit: I just remembered the HTC update that added some data mining file that took all of your entered information and reported it back to HTC. Is that still a thing? Could I use that in my case as well?

Codiusprime
Mar 17, 2006


Jake Gittes posted:

I'm got getting data of any sort (4g,3g, or otherwise) this morning in the Houston area. Anyone else having any problems?

Weird, I've had no data issues in the Pasadena, La Porte area.

kitten smoothie
Dec 29, 2001



nickhimself posted:

edit: I just remembered the HTC update that added some data mining file that took all of your entered information and reported it back to HTC. Is that still a thing? Could I use that in my case as well?

Verizon phones didn't have Carrier IQ.

nickhimself
Jul 16, 2007

I GIVE YOU MY INFO YOU LOG IN AND PUT IN BUILD I PAY YOU 3 BLESSINGS


kitten smoothie posted:

Verizon phones didn't have Carrier IQ.

So...

Called Verizon support, told them about my battery life problem explaining that I don't think it's unreasonable to expect my smart phone to last 8 hours with less than moderate usage. Currently with the standard battery I have to turn almost every data usage feature off or set to manual and still barely get 8 hours out of it with less than average use.

The level 2 support tech I'm currently on the phone with is pushing an early upgrade through to give me the upgrade pricing for the Razr Maxx.

See ya later, shitstorm Thunderbolt!

Cocks Cable
Jul 11, 2001



I have to buy a new phone today. What is the consensus on the top android phones currently out? I was looking at the RAZR Maxx but didn't want to pass up other considerations.

Don Lapre
Mar 28, 2001

If you're having problems you're either holding the phone wrong or you have tiny girl hands.


Buy something with ice cream sandwich, means means the galaxy nexus.

Codiusprime
Mar 17, 2006


Cocks Cable posted:

I have to buy a new phone today. What is the consensus on the top android phones currently out? I was looking at the RAZR Maxx but didn't want to pass up other considerations.

Unless you absolutely have to have a feature that is specific to the Razr you should get the GNex.

yamdankee
Jan 23, 2005

~anderoid fragmentation~


Cocks Cable posted:

I have to buy a new phone today. What is the consensus on the top android phones currently out? I was looking at the RAZR Maxx but didn't want to pass up other considerations.

Consensus would tell you to consider the Galaxy Nexus. The whole "Nexus:Android::iPhone:iOS" axiom has been repeated over and over again here, but it's never really hit me until I bought the GNex and have been using that every day coming from a Droid X. Using a phone that ICS was designed specifically to run on is really nice. I might be wording that wrong but I think you get the idea.

I was in your shoes a few weeks ago trying to decide between the Maxx and Gnex. Ultimately it came down to which phone will hold its value in the long run, and which will get supported down the road. Motorola as of late seems to be on a trend of releasing a flagship phone every 6 months or so and kind of dropping support for anything but their top devices.

The Maxx's battery life was quite appealing, but then I realized I really don't need my battery to be at 40% when I charge it at the end of the day overnight. If it's at 40%, 10%, or 5% when I plug it in at night it makes no difference. My GNex has been lasting me all day with pretty heavy use including GPS. I am rooted though, running LeanKernel and Liquid.

indoflaven
Dec 10, 2009


Apparently I can get $100 off any 4g device right now. Anybody else being offered this? Might pick up a Droid 4 for $100.

butt dickus
Jul 7, 2007

top ten juiced up coaches
and the top ten juiced up players

indoflaven posted:

Apparently I can get $100 off any 4g device right now. Anybody else being offered this? Might pick up a Droid 4 for $100.

There's been a lot of discussion in the Android thread about how the Droid 4 has a really terrible screen. Go check one out at a store before you buy one.

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Codiusprime
Mar 17, 2006


Doctor rear end in a top hat posted:

There's been a lot of discussion in the Android thread about how the Droid 4 has a really terrible screen. Go check one out at a store before you buy one.

Truly awful in my opinion, and I had an X2 for a while. Though as someone who sympathizes with the keyboard crowd, when you need a keyboard, you need a keyboard.

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