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Paper Lion posted:I remember as a little babby reading this, I predicted that he would put the yellow flash tag on himself, then kage bunshin a billion of himself and just warp around from bunshin to bunshin rather than having to toss kunai everywhere when he inevitably learns the move. This does sound fun but only Naruto could use the power of hard work and determination to turn "being where he already is" into a superpower.
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| # ¿ Jun 27, 2011 12:18 |
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Advice posted:Yeah, they never explained Gaara's control of sand. I guess it just turned out to be his bloodline limit or something? With how often Kishi throws that term around, I'm surprised he never came out and said it. I'd have to guess it's along the lines of a bloodline limit. It seems pretty easy to explain if you stretch the given explanation of bloodline limits slightly in a reasonable direction. Assume that combining two chakra elements is so complicated it's essentially impossible to learn, unless you have some kind of genetic abnormality that causes you to combine them automatically. Then the accepted wisdom would be "Only genetic freaks can combine elements," and nobody except maybe highly-knowledgeable medical ninja would know that it's even a theoretical possibility for other people. Enter Gaara, who's had the one-tail inside him creating sand-element chakra for most of his life. He probably has a fair idea how the stuff works; hence, exception to the rule.
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| # ¿ Jul 11, 2011 01:49 |
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Nice, the fight's over and Itachi's still here. I like this business of him teaching Naruto not to suck, too. Come on, training arc before the next fight. There's time for Tsukuyomi.
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| # ¿ Aug 17, 2011 12:53 |
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Serious Frolicking posted:Even if he wasn't actively trying to kill Jiraiya, planning to use him as a zombie after he died seems like something Big O would be drooling to do. Well, not that he didn't drool all the time anyway. Didn't Orochimaru look down on Jiraiya most of the time? It seems like that's a big part of the parallel they tried to draw between the Orochimaru/Jiraiya and Sasuke/Naruto relationships. Orochimaru was surely intelligent enough to recognize that Jiraiya was a world-class ninja, but I think his ego would prevent him from going far out of his way to obtain Jiraiya's powers for himself.
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| # ¿ Aug 25, 2011 23:46 |
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Zahki posted:The teamwork theme was forgotten after like chapter 15, you're a few years late to complain about it. It's been DBZ with ninjas for like 400 chapters now. I've always said the whole point of the teamwork theme, like half of the other details of Naruto combat, was to facilitate marketing. Licensed RPGs in particular. You absolutely HAVE to have a 4-man team. Anything else is unthinkable for some unexplained reason. One of those really ought to be a healer, even though in the manga these characters never do anything. Oh, and there exist
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| # ¿ Sep 23, 2011 20:21 |
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onii posted:Also, Madara said to Kabuto, "Do you know our plan as well?" and I assumed he was referring to him and Tobi, but then Kabuto said "...though I am unsure if the fake Madara will act as planned" which is confusing because now I'm not sure what's going on. Are Madara and Tobi working together or not? Or did they used to work together but Tobi is now doing his own thing? What? Until stated otherwise I would assume that Madara's been dead since before Tobi was born, unless I missed something.
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| # ¿ Oct 27, 2011 11:31 |
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Zexerous posted:http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/66193960/1 Sweet. Bonus points for the word "Malice." I assume this is that same Japanese word that is always translated in the most awkward possible way as "The will to kill." I always thought something like "Bloodlust" seemed more appropriate, but doesn't really fit here. Anyway three cheers for a translator who isn't insane. Alca posted:Im not sure, it has to be someone we already seen. Obito's looking more and more likely I think. Certainly has enough reason to be pissed off and hate the world and war and etc.
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| # ¿ Nov 23, 2011 03:12 |
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I've been hoping the last big reveal in Naruto is that the moon's eye plan was carried out centuries ago, and the entire show is an illusion which Naruto is going to break by punching Tobi in the face. Basically I want for every anime to be Gurren Lagann.
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| # ¿ Nov 25, 2011 03:07 |
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MadiTC posted:Sasuke joined the battle and contributed absolutely nothing but look like a pretty boy. What was he even doing on the front page? Did he cut up Kimimaro for some reason? Or is that just some random rib cage looking thing behind him while he swings his sword for some reason?
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| # ¿ Dec 15, 2011 04:11 |
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Was it just anime filler, or didn't Naruto use that same mass shadow clone trick to get out of Orochimaru's snake's stomach back in the Chuunin exam? I've never seen anyone struggle so hard to figure out something they already figured out when they were like 12. Edit-I guess this was the new nonlethal version? But still, come on. McNerd fucked around with this message at Jan 11, 2012 around 12:40 |
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Jiro posted:I'm still expecting the fox to be an rear end in a top hat and betray Naruto, and get captured somehow. But those last few pages all I could hear in my head was the old guitar awesome Naruto music. Yeah when Naruto said he was going to ask the fox for a favor, I thought he was going to ask him not to try to kill all his friends. I think it would have been worth checking on this perhaps? McNerd fucked around with this message at Jan 18, 2012 around 15:44 |
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onii posted:No, because if Naruto had said "Hey if I release you, can you not kill everyone?" then it would have implied that Naruto didn't fully trust Kurama, and Kurama would have been offended. "Oh because we tailed beasts are just mindless killers, right? gently caress you" I would think everyone involved (i.e. Kurama) would realize that based on past experience it's sort of a reasonable concern. But I guess that's why I'm not qualified to become the inspirational leader of five pretend ninja nations.
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| # ¿ Jan 22, 2012 05:52 |
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AtomikKrab posted:
The translation I saw held that it isn't the case, and that Shukaku hated Kurama for always claiming that it was the case. It seems more sensible to me that way anyhow.
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| # ¿ Jan 26, 2012 13:56 |
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Schubalts posted:I don't think there will be a redemption for Sasuke. Kishi's been going out of his way to show that Sasuke is a complete shithead in part 2, even having him try to kill Sakura. He does that for all the villains, though. I mean, Gaara was literally a serial killer, and Pain murdered Jiraiya and nuked Konoha for the sheer purpose of making people experience misery. If there was any possible further way to make these guys less sympathetic and their redemption less predictable then Kishi would have done it. And to do the same with Sasuke he needs to pull out all the stops since it's very predictable from the start (and on top of that you have Naruto constantly saying he intends to redeem him).
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| # ¿ Jan 27, 2012 14:18 |
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Serious Frolicking posted:Naruto had a handicap in the form of unstable chakra growing up. Basically, a ninja learning disability. It was only after he got his seal adjusted that he became able to properly use chakra. All of his hard work had only middling returns, while Sasuke's moderate effort left him much more skilled than Naruto in every way. In fairness, is there any actual reason to think that Sasuke's effort was "moderate"? You never really see him train but then you never see anyone train except Naruto (because he's the main character) and Lee (because it's the only thing he thinks about). In the one real training arc where he and Naruto are training together he works plenty hard; just not as hard as Naruto because a) he learns the desired lesson without having to, and b) he doesn't actually have the superhuman endurance/chakra necessary to outlast Naruto. Sasuke has literally cared about almost nothing since he was a child except "reviving my clan and killing THAT MAN." What else would he do in his free time but train, play golf? (Realistically you'd expect it to be a 50/50 split between training and chasing women but I guess he never had a family to teach him where clans come from.)
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Exercu posted:And no one disagrees that he's good at fighting. He's just incredibly untalented, like the comment you're quoting says. To be fair, IIRC Lee's objective was never to be the world's strongest ninja or even reach the power level of Kages and Jinchurrikis and the other characters who actually matter at this point in the plot. He just wanted to be the world's first ninja who couldn't mold Chakra, and prove that it was actually possible to be competent. He's out there on the battlefield with the other cannon fodder so I guess we got closure on that one. Of course the fact that Lee was the first Chakra-free ninja logically entails that Gai can mold Chakra. He just decided not to I guess so that he could make a handicapped kid look like a chump? SPRINGTIME OF LIFE McNerd fucked around with this message at Jan 30, 2012 around 01:10 |
| # ¿ Jan 30, 2012 01:04 |
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onii posted:No, what I meant was the trope of "the protagonist obtaining huge powers and then throwing it away". I agree; actually it's really easy to imagine he would just reunite them, make them friendly so they wouldn't go on rampages and then simply set them free to live in peace like the giant frogs and everyone else. But that's rather different from everyone losing their ninja powers, as was originally discussed. Far from being an overworn trope, I literally can't think of anything comparable to the latter in fiction, especially fantasy. Tolkien's Elves leave Middle-earth a bit less magical than it was before, but the Elves still exist elsewhere and also humanity gets an extra little dose of magic from Aragorn and Arwen's Ubermenschen bloodline. (Anyhow that's sort of inevitable to the extent that it's supposed to resemble a mythic history of England). And everyone has to come home from Narnia eventually I think? But that's a stretch too. McNerd fucked around with this message at Feb 2, 2012 around 01:41 |
| # ¿ Feb 2, 2012 01:38 |
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nib posted:Also, why does everyone think Naruto is going to kick Sasuke's rear end, no question? I would agree that Sasuke has no chance in hell on any other day, but not right now in the story. Naruto just used up all his cards against not-Madara. He's got nothing left to pull out of his rear end against Sasuke and he's about to fall over. So, unless Tsunade pops up and heals him up all-instant-better, then I'd say Sasuke has the edge right now. Because we're on the final stretch and Sasuke can't win the manga?
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Pyrotoad posted:At least Itachi showed up, and I'd been wondering what Karin and Co. were up to. Except they're implying Sasuke is going to meet Itachi, and likely kill him because plot armor, so we may not get to see an Itachi/Kabuto fight. And what Karin is up to is becoming an even worse character than Sakura. "He tried to kill me...but he's so cool...waahh I don't know how I feel!" It blows my mind that anybody could write this poo poo with a straight face. Maybe Mangastream's translators just decided to quit and preserve their dignity. McNerd fucked around with this message at Feb 15, 2012 around 15:11 |
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Prison Warden posted:Unless Sasuke has suddenly developed sealing powers or Kakashi's banishment sharingan move or something, he can't kill Itachi because he is an immortal zombie-man. At this point almost everyone in this manga has some sort of way to seal a zombie if the plot demands it. Besides, Naruto's the only person so stupid that it's a plot hole every time he knows something without prior explanation. It's really not a stretch to imagine Sasuke has studied such things or has ever seen a sealing technique with his Sharingan. (Even if that technique wasn't suitable he could plausibly just reverse-engineer it and apply Genius Powers). Prison Warden posted:And I'm pretty sure Karin was mostly faking that so she could smuggle in her lockpicks and escape. It's nice to see one of the Kunoichi in this manga act like an actual Ninja, even if no other characters do. Wow, read right past that. McNerd fucked around with this message at Feb 15, 2012 around 15:29 |
| # ¿ Feb 15, 2012 15:21 |
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Serious Frolicking posted:The fist bumping bros aspect was only ever found in that OP. The manga never had anything of the sort. They were only ever friends in Naruto's head. Eh I wouldn't say that. They always had a friendly rivalry sort of thing going on, and Sasuke did almost get himself killed to save Naruto's life. He also seemed genuinely concerned for Naruto's safety when Itachi was after him, though I guess that might have been only in the anime. Also isn't Sasuke always saying that the whole point of killing Naruto is that he considered (considers?) him a friend? That was the reason he expected to get the Mangekyou by killing him in Part I, and I vaguely recall he reiterated it somewhere in the last few chapters. McNerd fucked around with this message at Feb 19, 2012 around 19:38 |
| # ¿ Feb 19, 2012 19:36 |
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Jefepato posted:In any case, since all the Kage know who and what he is now, they would have to be horribly irresponsible to let him fight kids who are legitimately genin. None of them, even if they're not always nice, seem like the types to do that. If he does get promoted before actually becoming Hokage, it'll probably be by fiat. Alternately the ending of the series could just be that Kakashi is Hokage but Naruto is the unofficial head Chuunin Exam instructor. Every year he gets entered in the Chuunin exam and he kicks the asses of every kid from every village, teaches them the power of friendship, but still fails the exam because he's an idiot. And thus peace was brought to the land.
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| # ¿ Feb 19, 2012 21:47 |
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Didn't Itachi just program himself to protect Konoha at all costs? I'd imagine that if they talk and Sasuke can't be dissuaded from attacking Konoha, Itachi will actually have to attack him.
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| # ¿ Feb 22, 2012 18:24 |
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Prison Warden posted:It's possible he doesn't have access to their corpses. They're generally pretty big on destroying those corpses too, unless someone else gets them first and takes them who-knows-where. One can imagine he only got Itachi and Madara because they were rogues with no friends.
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| # ¿ Feb 23, 2012 14:44 |
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Angry Grimace posted:
Well, to be fair, Orochimaru could have had Sasuke's Sharingan if that's all he wanted. But he got greedy and had to have the body to go with it. On the other hand Orochimaru's plan to learn every technique looks really stupid once it was revealed that almost none of the techniques worth knowing can be copied via Sharingan. Everything that wins fights is either a bloodline technique, bizarre mutation, or something totally simple supported by insane physical attributes/chakra capacity like the Raikage or Kisame.
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| # ¿ Feb 24, 2012 16:15 |
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Angry Grimace posted:I suppose you could argue that his theory was that he wanted to evolve the sharingan into the Rinnegan (since Kabuto explains that Orochimaru knew of this) Say, for that matter, wouldn't Orochimaru have rather had Sasuke's eyes in a Senju body like Naruto's if he knew so much about this? My assumption was he was pretty ignorant but now that you remind me of the above, I'm not so sure. I guess it's probably hopeless to look for plot consistency this long ago though.
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| # ¿ Feb 24, 2012 20:09 |
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Lyon posted:Minus the terrible sentence structure Is anyone doing half-decent translations anymore? This is awful. Not just the grammar; I really doubt this corresponds well to what is actually being said. Also is Sasuke seriously still complaining that Itachi used to poke him in the head? What is this, kindergarten? I always thought this was the dumbest thing; it did make for a cool moment when Itachi died but okay that's done, why are grown people with serious business still talking about it? If Kishimoto really wants to go this direction, it should have been written such that Itachi was habitually giving Sasuke wedgies. Then Itachi could die with Sasuke's underwear up his crack and halfway to his head, and everyone would have known who really won that fight. (Though I guess we should count ourselves lucky we escaped kancho jokes).
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| # ¿ Feb 29, 2012 15:03 |
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Shindragon posted:UGH, really? loving hell. This chapter was eh. Way to lay thick on the woman are weak line though Kishi. As if we didn't know that was how you portray women in this series. I love how he adds insult to injury here. A woman can't even be the most competent medic in this series. Why not? Because of some idiocy about hand seals, which have been the main factor in determining a character's skill since exactly never.
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| # ¿ Feb 29, 2012 19:44 |
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Angry Grimace posted:I quite like the idea you're throwing out here that Orochimaru didn't do Edo Tensei "perfectly." It makes for a very acceptable retcon as to why the Third was capable of killing both Hashirama AND Tobirama at the same time, which really doesn't make sense given how much hype we've gotten of Hashirama by now. BizarroAzrael posted:Just to clear it now, is it now explicitly stated that the third casket that Orochimaru tried to summon against Sarutobi contained Madara, not Minato? Did Sarutobi know this or just assume it was The Fourth? McNerd fucked around with this message at Mar 1, 2012 around 14:24 |
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SeanGaffney posted:Ramen bait laced with sleeping pills, some leather straps, and a pair of the scissors that EMTs use to remove clothing from emergency patients.
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| # ¿ Mar 5, 2012 20:09 |
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Urdnot Fire posted:It would be hilarious if it just didn't work during the day and he hadn't planned for that, though. Also, how are all these people going to eat? Do they just walk around and carry out their normal lives but their minds are elsewhere? Do they all get fresh Zetsu juice?
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| # ¿ Mar 6, 2012 15:40 |
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Willsun posted:I'm pretty sure she's still safe at this point because she hasn't even spent 2 panels explaining what her new technique does. I'm going to pitch for the idea though, that it'll be some kind of self-sacrifice technique and she'll gain absolute invincibility for 5 minutes before she dies. Then she can finally go join her Dan in death. Plus, we need a reason for Naruto to become the next Hokage anyway. I'm pretty sure she's just talking about the same technique she used in the fight with Orochimaru, especially since it had the word "mitosis." The one that heals her rapidly by forcing her cells to divide rapidly, but decreases her lifespan because cells can only divide so many times.
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| # ¿ Mar 7, 2012 21:06 |
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Serious Frolicking posted:Medical ninjas avoid combat so that they can heal everyone else. Tsunade's thingy isn't just self-healing like the 1st could do, but rather it heals her and all of the kages. That's something the 1st couldn't do, and she needs to surpass him in some way for all of this inherited will talk to be justified. Best technique ever: Tsunade learns to use her mitotic regeneration technique on other people, and kills them with rapid aging. You know, like the guy who drank from the wrong Grail in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. Honestly though she doesn't even have to do that. If she can manage to make the Tsuchikage twelve hours older without immediately killing him, she'll have surpassed any other medical ninja in history.
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| # ¿ Mar 8, 2012 18:22 |
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blastron posted:You know, if there's an easy way to turn off Edo Tensei, why doesn't Kabuto just do it right now? It would save him a lot of effort in fighting Itachi. Presumably he can't without destroying *all* the zombies simultaneously. (The method he told Tobi was just a simple series of hand seals to destroy all zombies, though that could have been a lie or there might be alternative methods.) Of course he might be able to summon new zombies again, but who knows how much work it took to assemble Madara's special body? He might not be able to do that again, or at least not before Tobi pulls off his master plan. Edit: vvv Itachi's technique is just a genjutsu; it doesn't make much sense to me that it would alter whatever metaphysical phenomenon is binding his soul to his body. But then if the translation was correct I think he said he could only sense Kabuto's location before the control was severed? So I guess that might mean I'm wrong or it might just mean Kabuto stopped bothering to send brain signals once he lost control. Edit: Man, how much do those other zombies suck? Kabuto let them tell everyone the weaknesses of their techniques so they could be beaten, but nobody thought to reveal Kabuto's location. McNerd fucked around with this message at Mar 14, 2012 around 19:28 |
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razamataza posted:So am I the only person thinking Itachi is finally going to give Sasuke the closure he needs? Imo the reason why nobody has ever been able to talk sense in to Sasuke is because his older brother is literally the only person who can do it. The wreckless and misguided hatred is a result of feeling lost, vulnerable, angry, decieved and confused without Itachi there to clear things up for him. I think it would make Itachi's whole "Naruto I'm going to leave Sasuke to you" speech look a little strange and out of place. It wasn't really central to the point he'd been making about Naruto's trying to do everything by himself. And plotwise it's not as though anyone actually knew Sasuke was going to show up in the short term, so they didn't really *need* a plan for dealing with him. (If he didn't show up until later, Itachi would probably be dead from Edo Tensei shutdown so it would be moot). It seems like the only real purpose of that conversation was foreshadowing. McNerd fucked around with this message at Mar 16, 2012 around 13:58 |
| # ¿ Mar 16, 2012 13:53 |
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razamataza posted:Sorry what do you mean by this? http://read.homeunix.com/onlineread...server=nas.html where Naruto is really asking a pretty stupid question (unsurprisingly of course). The impolite answer would probably have been "No, I can't talk to him myself because I'm probably going to be worm food again in twenty minutes, and I don't even know where he is or whether he intends to show up anywhere on this jillion-mile battlefront. Unless you'd rather have everybody die because we didn't shut the Edo Tensei down. Which, by the way, is my only priority because I have literally hypnotized myself." My point being that there was no plot hole to be sealed by explaining why Itachi doesn't intend to talk to Sasuke himself. That whole page could have been skipped, but it wasn't. Presumably because Kishimoto really wanted to further establish the idea that Naruto is the one responsible for fixing Sasuke. (Okay, of course it ties into the previous conversation to give Itachi a little extra character development, but it still seems like a weird thing to harp on if Itachi himself is going to fix Sasuke fifteen chapters later in the same plot arc.) Edit: vvvv Yeah this is approximately what I think too. Itachi is too awesome to fail completely, but they'll leave something for Naruto to do. McNerd fucked around with this message at Mar 16, 2012 around 18:58 |
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So is the Sage of Five Paths named because he had five different sage modes then? We've seen what, hawks, turtles, slugs, frogs, snakes? That sounds about right actually. Also nobody ever translates it this way but surely Tsunade's slugs must actually be leeches?
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BizarroAzrael posted:Didn't Jihraiya's Sage Mode offer protection against genjitsu somehow? Might have been the presence of Ma and Pa, can't remember. The Snakes might prevent it. I think it was Ma and Pa. But I don't think it's clear that that would work against Tsukuyomi, which is practically instantaneous; they might not have a fast enough reaction time to break the illusion. A tailed beast can break you out of that because they literally live inside your brain and the passage of time seems to work differently, but that might or might not hold for outside people doing a weird sage chakra meld? Of course if it's ambiguous then the correct answer will be "whatever the plot demands," so whatever, but hey it's fun to think about.
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MegaCharger posted:For the sake of story exposition the characters, including Itachi, were dumbed down. What was stopping him from immediately Tsukuyom the hell out of Kabuto a few chapters ago instead having this long winded talk with Sasuke? Presumably lack of direct eye contact? Kabuto ought to know that much.
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pandaK posted:I thought it was established way back in the first Haku arc that the Sharingan couldn't copy bloodline trait powers. I don't think anyone said snake sage mode was a bloodline technique? Seems more likely it would be akin to frog sage mode. We know it's hard to use the latter, and for all we know it might be easier if you surgically turn yourself halfway into a frog to begin with by some other means.
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