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So Udyr is an asset. I've played against Udyr dozens of times, and had the pleasure of playing with passable and outright murderously good players basically maining him as their jungler/ganker, all doing a stand-up job at a mobile and fast character that stuns on hit with Bear Stance, does AOE damage with Phoenix, and simply rips folks apart with Tiger. Turtle gives some sustainability, I gather. So that's a hero with 4 skills that has no particular Ultimate, but still 18 levels. That's still 5 skills at rank 5, and one at most at rank 3, right? Could someone explain to me how that quite works? Am I right you leave a particular skill behind all others, then? What skills do people usually focus on? I really want to try and take up jungling with a hero that isn't too reliant on runes, but even at rank 30 (and I'm not even going to bother trying babby's first jungler in Ranked play - actually, gently caress Ranked until I can get a full team of mates in), I'm not too confident about something so important as a jungler. But holy hell does it look fun to just run in and ruin a lane's start of the game, or come to the rescue of top getting zoned. Or just running in after some hapless carry on mid overextending themselves. I do have Nunu, at least. Practice with him, then? I understood he's not too rune-reliant, either.
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| # ? Jul 11, 2011 11:01 |
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In my last game I accidentally hit the button that toggles the creep health bars. Unfortunately I have no idea what button this is. Anyone know how to get my creep bars back?
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| # ? Jul 11, 2011 12:23 |
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dbldown posted:In my last game I accidentally hit the button that toggles the creep health bars. Unfortunately I have no idea what button this is. Anyone know how to get my creep bars back? If I need to change settings/view my keybinds and such, I just create a custom game with only me in it. I change whatever is needed and just quit the game whenever I'm done. (I don't know which key it is.)
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| # ? Jul 11, 2011 12:26 |
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dbldown posted:In my last game I accidentally hit the button that toggles the creep health bars. Unfortunately I have no idea what button this is. Anyone know how to get my creep bars back? To Dinictus: Nunu is very easy to jungle with, he recently had a nerf to consume but he can still do it recently. Take some decent jungle masteries (defensive/utility) and smite and you'll be fine. Don't be afraid to try jungling, it's something that requires a bit of practice! I know a couple of people who play Udyr, and they basically rock everywhere. And yes, it's impossible to level all his skills to max. If you want to mess around in normal jungling, hit me up as EnfEnEt and I'll yell/ give tips. The worst submarine fucked around with this message at Jul 11, 2011 around 12:43 |
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Can I get some tips on effective uses for Morgana's shield? Do I throw it on a carry/tank prior to a tam fight or wait until someone is focused?
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The worst submarine posted:[PRACTICE!] I think I will. Might as well start with a bot match to get the jungling rhythm down and start in solo queue or with mates afterwards. I'd happily take up on your tips/encouraging yelling, but are you on EU? I hardly ever hit US  entris posted:Can I get some tips on effective uses for Morgana's shield? Do I throw it on a carry/tank prior to a tam fight or wait until someone is focused? A friend of mine plays Morgana quite a bit. From what I've seen, he mostly uses the shield and immunity to effects on the carry or melee attacker when they close in for a kill so CC won't stop them dead in their tracks, or to cover for himself or another character in the retreat so CC or spell damage won't stop them dead in their tracks. Dinictus fucked around with this message at Jul 11, 2011 around 13:30 |
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entris posted:Can I get some tips on effective uses for Morgana's shield? Do I throw it on a carry/tank prior to a tam fight or wait until someone is focused? Either you want to drop it on a carry in a teamfight, or you want to alt e yourself on reaction to stuff like taric or sion's stun(cc with a travel time) so you can be a bit more agressive while laning. In a duo good use of the shield can save you from lots of ganks as well. Also don't be afraid to just put it on and walk forward against lanes like shen/carry where the dude protecting the carry is doing it through cc to try to get into range to set up root/puddle. If you're the main teamfight cc it can also help to let you get into range to flash/ult/zhonyas.
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| # ? Jul 11, 2011 13:42 |
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for the third time in five games i've been unable to select any heroes on the team select screen, and the game hangs at that screen forcing me to kill the process. any ideas why?
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Longtiem posted:for the third time in five games i've been unable to select any heroes on the team select screen, and the game hangs at that screen forcing me to kill the process. any ideas why? I've had this same problem since the patch on Friday. I found that clicking "Return to lobby" instead of "Play again" after finishing a match and then manually searching for a game again solved it. See if that works for you.
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| # ? Jul 11, 2011 15:48 |
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I saw some one say you can change what shows up in the recommanded items. Could I get more detail on this?
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| # ? Jul 11, 2011 17:23 |
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Voodoo posted:You might win more if you stop feeding mid as Caitlyn. ....Who the hell are you!!!!! STOP STALKING ME. And that was one bad game and I came back with a more than positive KDR. Also just played a ranked game where I went 4-0 against an Ashe who I dominated and when I was level 10 she was level 5.  (Ended up 11-1, or 14-1, something like that)
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On the Morgana shield disucssion. Generally, I'll throw it on the squishiest carry at the start of the team fight. An exception is Xin, if I'm playing with a Xin (or similar) who needs to get up close to do damage, he's almost always going to get the shield. Sometimes though, if there is no 'need' to shield right away, I'll save it in order to save a low health team mate. The shield can absorb a decent amount of punishment (from abilities). It's worth noting though, it does nothing against auto-attack damage. Many pubs (who are retards) don't understand this, and think that they're invincible because they have a shield on, and will go charging into Ashe / Cait only to drop in 2 seconds. Learn that if you have a retard on your team, never shield them because it will only amplify the retardedness.
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| # ? Jul 12, 2011 00:55 |
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Dinictus posted:So that's a hero with 4 skills that has no particular Ultimate, but still 18 levels. That's still 5 skills at rank 5, and one at most at rank 3, right? Still only level 14, but most of my games have been jungle Udyr. Most Udyr builds focus exclusively on either Tiger or Phoenix, and then grab 3 points in the other stance for their final 3 skills. There are a few other philosophies, like putting 1 to 3 points in Phoenix early and then switching to Tiger. It seems too risky to me to give up early ranks in Turtle and Bear for the survivability and movement boosts they offer, but I could easily be wrong here. Even with my pathetic runes and mastery page, Udyr's jungle is passable while some of the other jungles I've tried have been a real struggle. I don't know if this necessarily holds true at higher levels where counter-jungling exists as a thing that people actually consider, but he definitely seems less rune reliant.
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| # ? Jul 12, 2011 01:06 |
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So, been playing on and off for a while. Level 14, but still consider myself a newb, as I've only now figured out half my problems might go away if I use wards and monster buffs. Am most familiar with Heimerdinger, which I may be putting on a bench as soon as I can afford a new champion or two. In the meantime, I'm trying to see if I can tweak my Heimer build to be a little more efficient. Not expecting to dominate, just want to not feel useless when playing against a more experienced team. At the moment, I'm taking a hard look at my runes. I've got marks focusing on health, seals on mana regen, glyphs on cooldowns, and quintessence on ability power. Except, some of the builds I'm looking at use quintessence for health and mark for magic penetration, which has me wondering if AP or MP would be better to focus on rune wise. Any suggestions? glitchwraith fucked around with this message at Jul 12, 2011 around 03:25 |
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glitchwraith posted:At the moment, I'm taking a hard look at my runes. I've got marks focusing on health, seals on mana regen, glyphs on cooldowns, and quintessence on ability power. Except, some of the builds I'm looking at use quintessence for health and mark for magic penetration, which has me wondering if AP or MP would be better to focus on rune wise. Any suggestions? If your hero has high AP ratios, around .7+ on three or more skills (I am making up these numbers but it's something like that), get AP runes. Otherwise get magic penetration runes. Vexrm posted:I saw some one say you can change what shows up in the recommanded items. Could I get more detail on this? 
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glitchwraith posted:At the moment, I'm taking a hard look at my runes. I've got marks focusing on health, seals on mana regen, glyphs on cooldowns, and quintessence on ability power. Except, some of the builds I'm looking at use quintessence for health and mark for magic penetration, which has me wondering if AP or MP would be better to focus on rune wise. Any suggestions? HP Marks are not especially good. In general, you want to put armor penetration, spell penetration, or attack damage in your marks (or possibly attack speed if you're jungling) (ability power marks are not very good), as those are the most efficient use of the rune slots. If you want bonus HP from runes, the quintessences are decent but expensive. Static Equilibrium fucked around with this message at Jul 12, 2011 around 04:29 |
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dbldown posted:In my last game I accidentally hit the button that toggles the creep health bars. Unfortunately I have no idea what button this is. Anyone know how to get my creep bars back? It should be L, but I've had it not work for me without mousing over a creep while I was hitting L before. How the gently caress that works, I dunno. Vexrm posted:I saw some one say you can change what shows up in the recommanded items. Could I get more detail on this? Be warned that you do have at least a slightly higher risk of patch-time strangeness doing this, at least in my experience. I've certainly managed to have to reinstall LoL once due to something I'm pretty sure was due to changing the items, but that was at least partially user error on my part. With that out of the way, I use LoL Item Changer. It works, but it has to be updated for every new champion release (not updated for Yorick yet still, so can't mess with his items), but it seems to work for previous champions just fine on patch days. Has some strange issues at times for some people since the switch to the "new" LoL launcher. Been contemplating trying to switch to something else, only thing I've found so far that looks like it's still updated is Yaric and it seems to be setup to not have to be patched for every new champ, but I haven't had a chance to try it.
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| # ? Jul 12, 2011 07:59 |
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So I started playing some solo ranked and drat if it isn't terrible. But I'm really curious if higher ranked play actually shows some teamwork and less whining. The amount of theorycraft going on during draft picking makes me laugh (I'm playing at 1000 elo). Also seems to be that everyone has drilled into their skulls that dying means losing (even though more than half the games turn into 40+ min slugfests) and will run from fights (at the slightest hint that things are going south) that lose us objectives like dragon, baron, towers even killing enemies that are near dead and running. On the other hand you get early tower diving and dying out of greed for a kill when they can't take the tower hits at lvl 3-7. If you try to get people to play as a team they scream noob 1/4/1 while they may be at 1/0/0 at the 20 min mark. The cs is almost always incredibly low on at least two of your team members and they're still working on second tier boots after ten minutes of play. How do I carry the team in this situation? Early game I usually out cs my opponent, I ward dragon if bottom, or top in bush. But midgame people start getting ganked, our jungler never leaves the jungle, and we lose a tower and then the finger pointing and gnashing of teeth begins and it snowballs from there. There also seems to be a trend of playing late at night and losing whatever gains I made earlier not sure if it's because that's when the bad players come out or not. Help a newbie out, what would Jesus do? IBentMyWookie fucked around with this message at Jul 12, 2011 around 11:10 |
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I've recently hit level 30 and have only started coming out of my AP Mage/Assassin comfort zone by playing tankyDPS Renekton. I build mostly armour/health on him and sometimes feel like I want more MR/damage and I see all these cheapish swords that look like they're for killing mages with names like Hexdrinker or Wits End. I'm still confused by items not made out of Blasting Wands so what are they for? Are these gimmick items or intended as situational counters but noone ever uses them?
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Senethro posted:I've recently hit level 30 and have only started coming out of my AP Mage/Assassin comfort zone by playing tankyDPS Renekton. I build mostly armour/health on him and sometimes feel like I want more MR/damage and I see all these cheapish swords that look like they're for killing mages with names like Hexdrinker or Wits End. I'm still confused by items not made out of Blasting Wands so what are they for? Are these gimmick items or intended as situational counters but noone ever uses them? Mostly. They work, but generally speaking you are much better spending your gold on nearly anythihg else. The best MR item in the game is banshee's veil, even if you have no mana. Just build the MR and health parts first. As for damage and armor, build an Atmas Impaler, preferably after you have about 3k health. Hexdrinker is good, but usually stalls your item build. Wits end requires you to hit your opponent in a sustained fashion(although Renek' has a multi hit ability), and is typically considered bad. Renek' doesn't have any skills that benefit from attack speed either.
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Atma's is pretty cost-effective even around 2.5k. It's still 50 AD plus armor and crit if you need it. Very underrated item. Ren's a good farmer and a good killer so you can afford a fairly expensive build outline. My build order is usually something like: 1. Boots + 3 pots 2. Brutalizer or Spirit Visage and CDR boots 3. Whichever of the above I didn't get. 4. Negatron and Chain Armor 5. Banshee's Veil and Sunfire Cape 6. Atma's Impaler 7. Turn Brutalizer into Ghostblade or sell it for a Last Whisper or something. Depends on the game/my mood/the stars. Such a late Ghostblade is kind of a bad habit but I rarely feel I need anything beyond the Brutalizer part for most of the game. With a shitload of cooldown, tankiness, and modest AD you're a spammy nigh-unkillable monster assuming anyone else enough on your team is enough of a threat to divert attention. If you have a spare 250g laying around at any point when you're buying, grab a Red Elixir because every little bit helps. Basically you want enough AD to be mashing out your abilities consistently. Max Q first, then E (for zooming), then W, prioritizing ult when it comes up. Sarkozymandias fucked around with this message at Jul 12, 2011 around 12:56 |
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The worst submarine posted:If your hero has high AP ratios, around .7+ on three or more skills Generally the rule of thumb I use is, does your character use their AP for healing or some other bonus effect, if so get AP runes. Even with .8/.9 ratios all over the place I find magic pen more effective. Champs that really like AP runes Vlad Akali Soraka Zilean Kayle Other characters like Nidalee/Sona/Karma, also work well enough with them.
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IBentMyWookie posted:words I'm having the same problem. Usually with dumb teammates because if you look at all my champions (Akali, tryn and cait) I have almost a 2.0 KDR with all. The only thing to do is to play a hard carry like Cait for example, or some other champion that can turn the game around (akali with cleanups). You might even possibly do better if you are a good tank and can tank the poo poo out of their team while protecting your carries (goodluck). One thing I want to mention is that Deaths ARE VERY BAD. And can mean losing depending on how fed one of their carries gets. Of course dieing is not the end of the world but if their team fights right and gives their kills to their carries...each kill their carry has and your carry doesnt is bad. What I've said is pretty obvious and the next part is to captalize on being fed as a carry and push your team to victory if their incompetent, which I'm working on currently. What I mean is to figure a way to push hard and get your teammates to back you. I've had way to may games where I'm 18-8 with caitlyn or whoever but we keep losing because its hard to completely carry a team as a carry as they go out of the way to focus you. And if you die, your team dies. Edit: Also pick up a friend to play ranked with you. I do this and we skype so we at least have two competent people on the team with good communication. Bdnwsbn fucked around with this message at Jul 12, 2011 around 16:22 |
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Does anyone have any advice on cassiopeia builds and such? I've been wanting to play her and she is free this week so I'm looking to get in some sweet snake action.
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| # ? Jul 12, 2011 16:48 |
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Is the creep score (both in-game and post-game recap) the total number of last hits, or is it the number of creeps you damaged who eventually died (either by you or something else)?
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Voodoo posted:Is the creep score (both in-game and post-game recap) the total number of last hits, or is it the number of creeps you damaged who eventually died (either by you or something else)? Just last hits because those are the ones you get money for and so the only ones anyone cares about. There are no "creep assists" or anything.
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| # ? Jul 12, 2011 17:01 |
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I asked for some trundle advice awhile back and i just wantee to pop in and say thanks for the replies i've finally found a way to make him work, although early lane can be a pain if i get stuck with a melee. Basically i go philo > ninja tabi > warmogs > atmas > trinity force/thornmail. By mid game he's so tanky and damage heavy he can destroy carry's after contaminate and true damage.
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kaschei posted:Just last hits because those are the ones you get money for and so the only ones anyone cares about. There are no "creep assists" or anything.
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This is my first time doing something other than feeding a lane, granted it was against bots, but at least I'm progressing! I am Hamshakes by the way. I think I am going to stick with Morgana for a while, her abilities seem to click with how I play.
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What's the difference between the top and bottom lanes besides Baron and Dragon? I thought grass placement was identical on both sides but I've hearing advice that some champions are better for top or bottom.
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Lakbay posted:What's the difference between the top and bottom lanes besides Baron and Dragon? I thought grass placement was identical on both sides but I've hearing advice that some champions are better for top or bottom. The map is a bit skewed so one of the teams has an easier time with some things, but I think the bigger reason you hear "x is good in top" is because top is usually supposed to be a solo lane.
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| # ? Jul 12, 2011 17:56 |
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Lakbay posted:What's the difference between the top and bottom lanes besides Baron and Dragon? I thought grass placement was identical on both sides but I've hearing advice that some champions are better for top or bottom.
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Thanks for the advice, all. I didn't even know there were different ap ratios for different abilities. Looking up Heimer's, his aren't that great, so if I continue to play him, I'll retool my rune set up to include MP and better health. Another question since mana golem got brought up. Is there a general rule of thumb regarding what level you should first go after it? I'm sure it can very from champion to champion, but I've pretty much ignored the jungle till now, so I have no idea how tough the golem is.
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So gents, I picked up kassadin recently and am really loving him, my build right now is usually sapphire+2 health pots->boots->catalyst->mejais->Sorceror's Shoes and then banshees/archangels/whatever I need, is this a good general setup?
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It's not bad. At first I thought that was "relai's" and not mejai's and I had a big post about not needing the slow and HP on top of catalyst and your cone attack. "Experts" like DNK tend to go boots or other non-mana item because they play in a high ranked game bracket where the lane phase is extremely passive and consists of farming and only some harass and so they don't need the mana so much. They argue that mana shouldn't be a problem because you shouldn't be harassing with your Q, but last-hitting instead. Take that with a grain of salt, though. It can't be emphasized enough the high-ranked play and pretty much all other play are in different universes. Captain Backslap fucked around with this message at Jul 12, 2011 around 18:56 |
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glitchwraith posted:Thanks for the advice, all. I didn't even know there were different ap ratios for different abilities. Looking up Heimer's, his aren't that great, so if I continue to play him, I'll retool my rune set up to include MP and better health.
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SarutosZero posted:Does anyone have any advice on cassiopeia builds and such? I've been wanting to play her and she is free this week so I'm looking to get in some sweet snake action. I'm the same way. I usually go for a tear, movespeed 3 boots, and rylai's as core. I have no idea if this is right though. I'd probably get an elysia's miracle and a veil in there because I suck and need tenacity, then turn the tear into an AA staff to finish it all off. That being said I've only played three games with her so I'm probably completely wrong. I'm havin lots of fun with her though. edit: am I crazy for thinking Lichbane would work well?
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Try Sorcerer's Shoes on Cass. The speed boost from Q + slow from W works just fine for keeping her mobile, and the +20 Spell Penetration is a rare enough stat it's worth getting as much as you can. Boots 3 are a bad habit.
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IBentMyWookie posted:So I started playing some solo ranked and drat if it isn't terrible. But I'm really curious if higher ranked play actually shows some teamwork and less whining. The amount of theorycraft going on during draft picking makes me laugh (I'm playing at 1000 elo). Also seems to be that everyone has drilled into their skulls that dying means losing (even though more than half the games turn into 40+ min slugfests) and will run from fights (at the slightest hint that things are going south) that lose us objectives like dragon, baron, towers even killing enemies that are near dead and running. On the other hand you get early tower diving and dying out of greed for a kill when they can't take the tower hits at lvl 3-7. If you try to get people to play as a team they scream noob 1/4/1 while they may be at 1/0/0 at the 20 min mark. The cs is almost always incredibly low on at least two of your team members and they're still working on second tier boots after ten minutes of play. How do I carry the team in this situation? Early game I usually out cs my opponent, I ward dragon if bottom, or top in bush. But midgame people start getting ganked, our jungler never leaves the jungle, and we lose a tower and then the finger pointing and gnashing of teeth begins and it snowballs from there. the magic of multiplayer (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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SarutosZero posted:Does anyone have any advice on cassiopeia builds and such? I've been wanting to play her and she is free this week so I'm looking to get in some sweet snake action. I start mana crystal and 2 pots. My core is generally RoA, Sorc shoes, Crystal Scepter. I go QEQW then Q>E>W>. I like building her bulky ap because her high APM means that she is still doing a lot of damage without tons of AP.
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