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StorrowS posted:A standard leash is where whoever will be playing mid fires one auto-attack over the wall and hits the Big Golem(they then run back to their mid lane in time to last hit the first creep). The Golem and the little adds will then aggro onto them and run after them for a while. As soon as the mid-laner has hit the big golem you should start beating on him. Once he aggro's back onto you, pop your first hp pot, and keep beating on him until his HP is <445, then smite him and finish off the little adds. If you time it well when you are one of the other lanes, you can do a lot more damage to blue than just one hit. If you're top and you're leashing, you can hit that poo poo like 5-6 times. If you're mid, just once. If you're bottom, 5-6 times. This is because the minions take longer to get to the side lanes.
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chronofx posted:Edit: also, can anybody recommend good champions to buy that are 450 or 1350? I've currently got Ashe, Jax, Master Yi, Tristana, & Tryndamere. I generally prefer to solo/jungle with a strong mid-game ganker/semicarry or hard carry, but I'm open to all suggestions. Skillshots & more complicated mechanics are fine since I've played a lot of dota/hon (in fact I'd probably enjoy them more all other things being equal). Like Operant, I can't recommend Cho'Gath enough. Dude is a powerhouse in the right hands and he's pretty drat fun to play. Only downside to him is that he kind of slow, so getting close to that flashy Vayne or Ezrael for Om Noms can be tricky. Also, the other two I would look into are Amumu and Alistar. Both are extremely powerful in the right hands. I'm not sure about upper-tier ELOs, but where I'm playing right now it's common to see them banned in the grand majority of games. Mumu just stacks HP and annoyance like nothing else, and he's extremely fun to play as a sad little Jungle Mummy. Alistar has his crazy "I will ram you back and forth for ages" thing going on, though I don't know if the next patch is giving him a huge nerf at all. Both those guys are 1350.
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Axel Serenity posted:Like Operant, I can't recommend Cho'Gath enough. Dude is a powerhouse in the right hands and he's pretty drat fun to play. Only downside to him is that he kind of slow, so getting close to that flashy Vayne or Ezrael for Om Noms can be tricky. Alistar will be just fine next patch.
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Carecat posted:I have played a lot of Singed recently and go full tank runes (with magic pen reds), masteries, ghost and teleport. My first item is a Regrowth Pendant and health potion and then I rush a Philosopher's Stone for free gold and mana regen then boots. I tried different starts but find health regen lets you walk off any harass. Then I go into chain vest/negatron, giants belt and build a rod of ages or rylai's. Ganking success depends on your matchup but with poison you should be able to easily farm under your tower, just be careful not to push the lane with it. I know this is from a few pages back, but I play a lot of Singed and I disagree with most of this. If you're not taking the movespeed mastery with Singed, then something is wrong. Singed may not be a great early game farmer, but you should be able to get a Rod of Ages between fifteen and twenty minutes, worst case scenario. Philo Stone does seem like it would be a good early item for him, but I'm not sure how I feel about sacrificing a few crucial minutes for the Rod. Really, harass shouldn't be a huge issue with a mana crystal and the Strength of Spirit mastery. While Rylai's has undeniable utility, since Poison Trail has a single target effect for whatever reason last time I checked, with Singed's passive you get far more survivability out of an early Banshee's.
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What do you mean that poison trail has a single target affect?
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Hell0Friend posted:What do you mean that poison trail has a single target affect?
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Strength of spirit means that that blue crystal gives 2HP/5 on top of 50HP from Singed's passive. Even with the extra potion it's only about 100 seconds before Regrowth+pot gives more HP than crystal+2 pots. I get regrowth if I'm duo laning without teleport so I can stay in lane longer and slightly mitigate the lack of farm. If I'm tele-top (ideal situation for Singed) I can usually hang on long enough for Catalyst and boots, and if I mess up early I can get boots and pots to hold me over for a whole teleport cooldown. Of course I skip Rod and do catalyst, treads, Rylai's most of the time. Catalyst is still great in early lane. Wiki says you're wrong about Rylai's. I haven't tested it numerically but it definitely feels like a 15% (rather than 35%) slow. Would be excited to be disproved about this...
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GET INTO DA CHOPPA posted:... you don't need more of a core than Catalyst and boots to be rear end in a top hat singed forever and ever. How about a filled rune page and masteries? Or do those just increase said rear end in a top hat-ness? I only played him once, and was a funky locked out lag random selection...so I had no clue what I was doing. But it was horrible. I was horrible. 
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^^^^ It just increases his rear end in a top hat-ness. Mpen reds, armor yellows, mr/lvl blue, movespeed quints and 15 points into utility for swiftness just means people will hate you more.
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What would be a good jungle Warwick guide for a relatively low summoner level?
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Repelex posted:What would be a good jungle Warwick guide for a relatively low summoner level? Pick warwick, go attack jungle creeps. Start with cloth armor and potions and build it into wriggles. You should be fine. He's seriously hilariously easy to jungle with.
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I could really use some help. I seem to actually be getting worse at LoL. I'm not sure why, but I seem to just consistently make really dumb choices early on and in teamfights. It mostly happens when I play in a premade with some friends, which is kind of odd. In random games I do well. It just seems like every early harrassment results in my death, then later on I'll get involved in fighting someone only to have my entire team disappear and the entire enemy team appear. I don't know what's wrong with me exactly, the only hero I seem to consistently do well with is mordekaiser. I've had pretty good success in the past as sion and yorick, but I've fallen into some stupid vortex with them too. I don't really like playing mordekaiser though as he seems a little easy and overpowered.
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Well you'll be happy to know that Mordekaiser is only overpowered against idiots (he is strong 1v1 though). The biggest two things to work on are paying attention to the minimap, and farming/getting last hits. Warding makes the first more effective and the second less dangerous so it gets an honorable mention.
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FirstPersonShitter posted:I could really use some help. I seem to actually be getting worse at LoL. I'm not sure why, but I seem to just consistently make really dumb choices early on and in teamfights. It mostly happens when I play in a premade with some friends, which is kind of odd. In random games I do well. It just seems like every early harrassment results in my death, then later on I'll get involved in fighting someone only to have my entire team disappear and the entire enemy team appear. I don't know what's wrong with me exactly, the only hero I seem to consistently do well with is mordekaiser. I've had pretty good success in the past as sion and yorick, but I've fallen into some stupid vortex with them too. I don't really like playing mordekaiser though as he seems a little easy and overpowered. Some quick advice that may or may not be useful... Do your friends communicate well? I know that pinging usually works as an indicator of when the map aware guy realizes that some spot is unsafe. Warding is essential to good playing because it saves you gold in the long run. Also mia calls are pretty important. Also try to single out the carry/main damage dealer on the other team and get disables off if you do get into a teamfight. If you're getting harassed all the time early game, you should get more regeneration. Cloth and 5 pots works well and if you're really worried, the heal and teleport summoners are good crutches as well. The laning phase is the farming phase so focus on getting enough gold on things that help your core and your laning. Communicate for mid lane or jungle ganks for your lane in case you're getting wrecked pretty badly. Importantly, its not the end of the world if you don't get your ultra-carry super set. Sometimes you'll have an amazing early game, sometimes you won't. If you can focus on your team's strengths and disrupt the other teams advantages then you'll win more games.
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Goons! I need help. should I buy Irelia or Vayne. I'm leaning more towards Vayne cause her playstyle reminds me of the assassin in Monday Night Combat. Also, is this guide any good for Vayne? It makes the most sense to me, but I'm a noob so what do I know.
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Singed players, tell me your secrets. I just tried to hold a lane 2v1 against Teemo and Tristana, and got completely annihilated(health kept ticking down from Teemo's poison, Tristana's rocketjump got me when I tried to run). Was there anything I could have done, short of sitting back and spamming various emotes?
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FirstPersonShitter posted:I could really use some help. I seem to actually be getting worse at LoL. I'm not sure why, but I seem to just consistently make really dumb choices early on and in teamfights. It mostly happens when I play in a premade with some friends, which is kind of odd. In random games I do well. It just seems like every early harrassment results in my death, then later on I'll get involved in fighting someone only to have my entire team disappear and the entire enemy team appear. I don't know what's wrong with me exactly, the only hero I seem to consistently do well with is mordekaiser. I've had pretty good success in the past as sion and yorick, but I've fallen into some stupid vortex with them too. I don't really like playing mordekaiser though as he seems a little easy and overpowered. I'm pretty sure queuing with a premade makes you more likely to fight other premades so that might explain why you do better in soloqueues.
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MiF posted:Singed players, tell me your secrets. I just tried to hold a lane 2v1 against Teemo and Tristana, and got completely annihilated(health kept ticking down from Teemo's poison, Tristana's rocketjump got me when I tried to run). Was there anything I could have done, short of sitting back and spamming various emotes? That's a rough lane for just about any character. Depending on how your rune page and masteries were set up there could have been very little to do other than hold tight to your tower and wait for jungler ganks. My advice would be to toss either one into the towers range every chance you get and stick around as long as you can for your teleport CD in between wave push outs by the tower. If I solo top I'll always run Flash/Teleport or Exhaust/Teleport. You need teleport if you know the jungler won't be around to hold your lane when you're at 10% hp and they're on the verge of diving. Teemo's a boss.
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I was just in a ranked game where the enemy team surrendered about 25 minutes in. I was unaware that surrenders happened so quickly in ranked games. I have also played 6 ranked games because I am scared.
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Repelex posted:What would be a good jungle Warwick guide for a relatively low summoner level? Cloth 5 pots start minigolems. You will do the whole jungle super easily, albeit at a pretty slow pace. Rush a razor/boots and upgrade that razor to a wriggles. Go minigolems -> wraiths -> wolves -> blue -> do a hilarious early gank or go back, then back to minigolems, do red, etc etc. You can do this route with a long sword and one pot but I have runes so I dunno. I want to say one thing to you if you are every going to play as the Goddamn Wolfman and that is never, ever, under any circumstance should you buy a bloodrazor on him until its like 40 minutes in and you have the gold to spend. Build him like a tank. Build a wit's end on him also. If you buy AD items on Warwick I will loving shoot you. MiF posted:Singed players, tell me your secrets. I just tried to hold a lane 2v1 against Teemo and Tristana, and got completely annihilated(health kept ticking down from Teemo's poison, Tristana's rocketjump got me when I tried to run). Was there anything I could have done, short of sitting back and spamming various emotes? Singed isn't a particularly good 2v1, just farm from under your tower and you'll be fine. You will be underfarmed for like 10 minutes but singed is an amazing farmer anyway and if they try to towerdive you you can probably pick up some free kills. Just rush catalyst.
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PigeonKing posted:I was just in a ranked game where the enemy team surrendered about 25 minutes in. I was unaware that surrenders happened so quickly in ranked games. I have also played 6 ranked games because I am scared. I had a game yesterday where my team was down by 2 turrets and 3 kills at ~15 mins into the game and they tried to surrender. I bitched the team out for wanting to give up that quickly, and said we were barely behind, and totally had this if we just stuck together. 10 mins later we killed Baron, swarmed the enemy base, got a total teamkill, and the enemy team surrendered. People just really love to give up at the first sign of defeat in this game, even though it's not that hard to turn things around usually. You just have to be willing to do it.
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Operant posted:Singed isn't a particularly good 2v1, just farm from under your tower and you'll be fine. You will be underfarmed for like 10 minutes but singed is an amazing farmer anyway and if they try to towerdive you you can probably pick up some free kills. Just rush catalyst.
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MiF posted:Ah, I see, thanks. I'm not going to let this deter me from learning singed though, it's the greatest goddamn thing. Pre level 6 singed is actually a sort of bumbling, weak son of a bitch who runs oom very quickly. Post level 6/catalyst singed is a hardy pubstomper who is really hard to push out of lane, farms/pushes like a beast, and becomes an unstoppable surprise sex train at the push of a button.
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To all the people worrying about tough lanes--you're not locked into your lane. Switch if possible, get a gank, surprise them with a three person towerdive. If every lane is just poo poo, transition to teamfight phase early and ransack their jungle.
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I need your help goons. I bought Vayne sight unseen and I enjoy her play style, but her early phase is freaking hard! I played against bots to get accustomed, but i could just barely beat them back. any recommendations on what i should do strategy/items wise?
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Mercedes posted:I need your help goons. I bought Vayne sight unseen and I enjoy her play style, but her early phase is freaking hard! I played against bots to get accustomed, but i could just barely beat them back. any recommendations on what i should do strategy/items wise? Bots run at you with reckless abandon, they're not an amazingly good judge of what a real player is going to do, I've found. I don't have Vayne, so I can't help you with that, though.
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Mercedes posted:I need your help goons. I bought Vayne sight unseen and I enjoy her play style, but her early phase is freaking hard! I played against bots to get accustomed, but i could just barely beat them back. any recommendations on what i should do strategy/items wise? Vayne doubly benefits from warding the poo poo out of bushes since generally speaking your angle of approach on a guy standing in bushes means you almost always get the stun off impale. If the enemy in your lane has a garen our other notorious bush hider, plop a ward in your bottom lane bush and punish him every time you see him in it. Impale also stuns if you can knock them into towers or ruins of towers, and if you are good with flash you can turn a potential dive on you into a kill.
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I started a couple of weeks ago, never having played anything even remotely DotA-related. Got Tristana for free, but afraid of tunnel vision I bought Dr. Mundo as well. Have only played him a little, but had to have him just because he's Dr. Mundo and he goes where he pleases (I love him). However, I just can't seem to stop playing Trist.  Is she even considered to be any good, or am I just getting lucky in my low level matches? And is getting a skin a really pretentious thing to do? I can't seem to justify buying one the same way I justified buying the Champion's Bundle.Oh, and when is the right time to start experimenting with Twisted Treeline? I'm scared.
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kittentits posted:I started a couple of weeks ago, never having played anything even remotely DotA-related. Got Tristana for free, but afraid of tunnel vision I bought Dr. Mundo as well. Have only played him a little, but had to have him just because he's Dr. Mundo and he goes where he pleases (I love him). However, I just can't seem to stop playing Trist. Tristana is a perfectly fine character (actually mundo is a fairly bad one). Buying skins is not pretentious, it's supporting the game company who's providing you with free fun (This was my logic for gentleman cho). Oh, and nowhere does the thread title hold more true than on twisted treeline. Mord is heniously overpowered there, but honestly it's never to early or too late to start learning.
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A jargogle posted:Tristana is a perfectly fine character I fixed this for you.
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kittentits posted:And is getting a skin a really pretentious thing to do? I can't seem to justify buying one the same way I justified buying the Champion's Bundle. I have bought... so many... skins. I dunno, Riot's designers are just very talented people. A lot of their skins have just enough of a mix between familiarity and originality, gimmick and serious, etc. that I have to have them. I bought Talon solely for the Crimson Elite skin so I could play like a comic book villain. I grew up with comics and the skin just looks plain badass! I love it! It's all about fun and playing how you want to play. Visuals matter for me, and I'm at a place in my life where the money doesn't hurt to spend it, so I do and it's fun. If that works for you, by all means grab a few skins and support
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Mundo is fine unless your like 1900+ ELO, just go this build instead whatever poo poo your doing Mercury>Visage>Ghostblade>emblem of valor(part of starks)>w/e Remember your ABCs, Always Be Cleaving, and don't forget to when you win the match going 14/0/10 or something to say "TALK ABOUT MUNDOWNED" in all chat. Mercedes posted:I need your help goons. I bought Vayne sight unseen and I enjoy her play style, but her early phase is freaking hard! I played against bots to get accustomed, but i could just barely beat them back. any recommendations on what i should do strategy/items wise? Vayne is amazing, I find it more important how you play Vayne then her items I have tried a ton of different builds and now I just kinda grab up what I think would work well. But in general these are the good ones, better ones are near the top. Early game: Boots+3 pots Dblade stacking is a go Boots: Mercury: Grab these up if the other team has alot of CC and decent magic AOE it will help alot during teamfights. Very good if your a not so good player as well. Zerkers: Cheap bonus attackspeed, very very strong against low CC teams Damage: Black Cleaver: This poo poo is off the hook for Vayne just trust me its pretty amazing Zeal: Move speed, attack speed and crit oh my Sheen: Spam Q get that free damage also gives Vayne the little bit of mana she needs to not ever have problems. IE: Biggest damage Bloodthirster: Big damage and lifesteal Last Whisper: drat thats a poo poo load of armor you got there bros. Triforce:upgrade of sheen/zeal, get it to make more room. Not Die: Zeal: Move speed is god, seriously! Negatron: Cheap MR Bloodthirster: Life steal really helps I'm telling you man Chain Mail: cheap armor man whats not to like. Banshees:finish dat negatron Sunfire/Atma's:finished chainmail. How to play vayne. Early game: Q attack once then run away all day, use E to wall stun and to disengage never ever use E for damage for the love of god. Vayne ultimate and you: This ultimate is crazy it gives 3 things the damage which is nice, the bonus passive which lets you chase with impunity, and the cloak on Q. Basically when this is up and your oppenent's flash is down you can just press R>Q>exhaust and kill them straight up every time flash is down and there isn't much they can do to stop you outside of gank you the moment you try to. During teamfights later in the game the cloak part of Q is amazing it what allows Vayne to not explode use that cloak to your advantage to juke as hard as possible, while still doing high damage. I have also grabbed squishies outta position with R>Q>flash>E(wall slam) to start a team fight that's some effective stuff. Vayne is tied for my favorite ranged AD carry right now a lot with Caitlyn. edit: Honestly send me a friend request, and I can help you with her alot more by playing games with you rather then just trying to explain it, I'll try not to rage promise. IGN is ShinsoBEAM ShinsoBEAM! fucked around with this message at Aug 26, 2011 around 05:27 |
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Mercedes posted:I need your help goons. I bought Vayne sight unseen and I enjoy her play style, but her early phase is freaking hard! I played against bots to get accustomed, but i could just barely beat them back. any recommendations on what i should do strategy/items wise? Shinso's advice is golden, but here's what I do. I start off with boots and pots and farm those last hits, when you base buy 1-2 Doran's blades depending on how much money you have. Next items you buy should be Zerker boots or merc treads depending on their team although most of the time I go zerks for the added AS which makes you proc your passive more. After this buy a BF sword which can turn into a Bloodthirster/B cleaver or IE, all of which are good. The life steal from the Bloodthirster is great and I usually go with that for added survivability. After you get one of these top tier damage items get a zeal for more AS and move speed. From here you can either build a defensive item like B Veil if you feel the need or start on another one of the top tier damage items if you just want to put all your eggs into the offense basket. Personally I go straight up damage and let life steal keep me alive.
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So what's up with the update being stuck at 33%? How do you fix this?
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Opus125 posted:So what's up with the update being stuck at 33%? How do you fix this? This is usually just a visual bug, and that the actual update is going normally. If not, go here and report your logs and see if you can find any fixes/help.
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Thanks for the great advice goons. Tucanno is my summoner name! 
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Opus125 posted:So what's up with the update being stuck at 33%? How do you fix this? There was a rumor going around the LoL community boards that if you switch from EUNE (in my case) to US, it would go faster. Worked for me to a certain extent - a little waiting and swearing and then it finally started downloading. It could be random, it could also be that I decided to close and re-open the launcher as administrator in Windows. But hey, if you're as frustrated as I was, everything's worth a shot.
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kittentits posted:Oh, and when is the right time to start experimenting with Twisted Treeline? I'm scared.
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My friend got this game three weeks ago and went right ahead and set me up an account the next day. I'm not a gamer, don't own a console or anything but, I too loved it right away. I'm nearly level 15, he with more free time just hit level 20. The thing is though I mainly play against bots. 'Normal' games are so intense that even winning doesn't necessarily, I don't know, but win or lose I feel like I've been put through the wringer. Being obvious that normal games are the only way to get better I vow to play them exclusively. I've added you _tucanno_ and you _ragmarr_ Please sing out if your at or near level 15 or add me _inviolent_ . muchas gracias.
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