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Xenix posted:Why is a rageblade higher priority? I'd think the life steal/spell vamp would be more ideal for laning. Is the 200ish HP from the rageblade better to help keep you on lane? It's a running joke that newbies may actually get worse from reading this thread. Gunblade is way stronger for laning, especially if you have the dedicated Jax page. You don't build Malady and such on Udyr, like was suggested, and Thornmail isn't core on Galio, like the guide posted said it was.
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| # ? Nov 3, 2011 05:07 |
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When would be a good time to move on from Beginner vs. AI matches to Intermediate? No group I've been in for twenty or so games has lost, but I don't feel like I'm good enough to move forward. Some games I'm second in deaths only to the person who seems like he doesn't really understand how the game works at all. A friend and more experienced player was telling me that you want to shoot for 150 minion kills 15 minutes in or something, and I usually only get around 75-100, and if I focus on that, I rarely get a single kill against an enemy champion. I want to move forward because we're winning so much, but at the same time, I can see myself doing poo poo that I need to work out first before I do that.
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| # ? Nov 4, 2011 08:41 |
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Spoonimus posted:When would be a good time to move on from Beginner vs. AI matches to Intermediate? No group I've been in for twenty or so games has lost, but I don't feel like I'm good enough to move forward. Some games I'm second in deaths only to the person who seems like he doesn't really understand how the game works at all. If you level up too far having just played against the AI you will have a much harder time when it comes to playing against real people. Just start playing against people NOW, you'll probably lose your first few games while it figures out what your matchmaking rating should be, but eventually it will be matching you against players which are of a similar skill level as yourself.
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| # ? Nov 4, 2011 09:22 |
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Well poo poo, that's 45 games I really shouldn't have played then. Let's see how bad a start that gives me...
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| # ? Nov 4, 2011 09:42 |
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StorrowS posted:Stop playing against the AI as soon as possible. Maybe do one game against the AI if you are using a new character, just so you understand how the abilities work. Just to expand on this a bit, playing against bots really is a dead end if you enjoy this game to the point that you play enough of it to improve your skills. I fell into this trap due to all the terrible rumours about dotalike communities, and played almost exclusively against beginner bots from summoner levels 1-15 or so, and switched to intermediate at that point. The thing is, the intermediate bots cheat incredibly hard, making them very unfun to play against, while the beginner bots after a certain point (as Spoonimus noted) just provide zero challenge or interest. So then you're at a high summoner level and bored, so you decide to try playing against humans, and get your poo poo pushed in because you've never learned to deal with humans on the other team, while they have played 100+ games against people to get to the same level. Eventually of course you adjust to this too but it's a lot more painful as I found out. Honestly, my recommendation would be to just start over with a new account and only pvp on it, and use your old account only to try out new champs in bot games. I didn't want to do so because I got some nice skins on my old account, and I still get matched against/with much better players. I just figured gently caress it and play mostly support so I get carried, but it's made things significantly more difficult than it otherwise would have been.
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| # ? Nov 4, 2011 09:50 |
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Played a real game and it was fun as hell. I think I got matched with people around my skill level because I was tearing it up, but it was still really challenging. Unfortunately, I got disconnected right after I took their top inhibitor and when I was able to reconnect, the game had finished. I am pretty sure we won! Definitely gonna just be doing real games from here on out, thanks for the recommendation. Edit: I say it was around my skill level because no one had Flash and no one bought wards. Spoonimus fucked around with this message at Nov 4, 2011 around 10:26 |
| # ? Nov 4, 2011 10:20 |
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Intermediate Bots will actually beat newbies that don't fully understand the game and things like last hitting, when and when not to dive, etc. So play plenty of games against real people. Whenever you die in a non-teamfight situation (and even if you do), the most important thing to understand is what action you took that caused you to die, because 90% of the time if you got ganked it was your fault. Even if the answer to "why did I die" was "Nocturne/Karthus ulted me from across the map", there are things to consider. Were you at low health? Could you have used a potion (a potion is worth two minion kills, use one whwnever you're below 40 to 50% really)?
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| # ? Nov 4, 2011 11:46 |
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NewcastleBrown posted:Yeah, and I did that when I remembered to. Its just those kinks I should have worked out by playing a couple extra bot games instead of jumping right in. if you complete your build, I sometimes replace Chalice with Shurelya's. though you do loose a little MR (and, by effect, AP) so IDK.
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| # ? Nov 4, 2011 14:41 |
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Xenix posted:Why is a rageblade higher priority? I'd think the life steal/spell vamp would be more ideal for laning. Is the 200ish HP from the rageblade better to help keep you on lane? Rageblade has insane synergy with Jax's ultimate and his playstyle generally. Gunblade is good but rageblade is more "core".
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| # ? Nov 4, 2011 15:04 |
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Android Blues posted:Rageblade has insane synergy with Jax's ultimate and his playstyle generally. Gunblade is good but rageblade is more "core". Of course, you're still buying it after Gunblade and selling it when you're max slots for a second Gunblade. Rageblade is just core because it's so drat slot efficient.
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| # ? Nov 4, 2011 15:38 |
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A fun little tip for anyone playing Galio. Once you get Q and E to level 4 (4/3 works too, if you have the AP) you can nuke wraiths from in lane. You've gotta aim it right, and start mashing E just as soon as you click Q so they hit at the same time. Any time you're passing their jungle just lob that combo over the wall for some free gold and experience (as well as denying their jungler). If you're lower level (as I am) and you don't have a jungler on your team you can hit your own too. I'd recommend heading around the corner to be sure you killed everything though, as it can be difficult to hit all 4 wraiths and if you leave one up the rest won't respawn.
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| # ? Nov 4, 2011 15:45 |
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At what point do you start to not suck? I just lost a game against intermediate bots as warwick. Edit: then i read the thread, no more bots for me. Edit2: how do bots cheat? funmanguy fucked around with this message at Nov 5, 2011 around 05:20 |
| # ? Nov 5, 2011 05:15 |
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funmanguy posted:At what point do you start to not suck? I just lost a game against intermediate bots as warwick. Was going to reply before your edits that they cheat, but they cheat by basically getting free gold and IIRC don't have fog of war or something(matters a lot less than free gold but still).
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| # ? Nov 5, 2011 05:22 |
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funmanguy posted:At what point do you start to not suck? I just lost a game against intermediate bots as warwick. Automatic itemization based on time as opposed to cs/gold, their skills refresh much faster and ults refresh upon dying, they'll start grouping in five and pushing a lane once they lose a tower, some other bullshit unrealistic mechanics to make them artificially challenging. Basically if you aren't pushing their inhibs by 15-20~ minutes they snowball out of control and can be really difficult to manage with the typical skill level of players in this game.
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| # ? Nov 5, 2011 05:23 |
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funmanguy posted:Edit2: how do bots cheat? In addition to the two posts above me they also have, unsurprisingly, lightning fast reflexes. I flew out of the jungle at Annie bot while loving around with Nocturne and she landed a Tibbers on me with mid air. She pulled the same bullshit against Lee Sin too.
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| # ? Nov 5, 2011 09:12 |
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I actually think the bots could win if Riot went all the way and finished the AI on a few more champs to fill out a comedy burst roster. Annie, LeBlanc, Talon, Akali, Veigar would be a hilarious bot team.
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| # ? Nov 5, 2011 14:14 |
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So Lanedyr. I suck at jungling but when I laned with him, I tore faces off so badly. Who knew!
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| # ? Nov 6, 2011 07:31 |
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Sorry to tell you, but anyone with half a brain will zone him out badly. Keep at jungling, it's one of the best roles to get to know and udyr is super easy to do it with. Go pheonix and destroy the jungle.
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| # ? Nov 6, 2011 09:40 |
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Invalid Validation posted:Sorry to tell you, but anyone with half a brain will zone him out badly. Keep at jungling, it's one of the best roles to get to know and udyr is super easy to do it with. Go pheonix and destroy the jungle. Actually if you put a respectable amount of points in W Udyr can trade very well in lane, he can just run in with his shield up and drop the Q proc on them (plus whatever autoattacks you get in the length of your stun) then flitter off. His shield is so spammable that the only thing making him at all vulnerable to harass is mana issues.
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| # ? Nov 6, 2011 10:00 |
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Speaking of mana issues, I have been playing Singed in a couple of practice games. Is it me, or does he just eat through all his mana in about 3 seconds? Is there a way to mitigate this?
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| # ? Nov 6, 2011 13:36 |
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JimmyT64 posted:Speaking of mana issues, I have been playing Singed in a couple of practice games. Is it me, or does he just eat through all his mana in about 3 seconds? Is there a way to mitigate this? He can easily go oom early on if you leave his poison toggled on. To prevent this only keep his poison toggled on for a very short time then switch it off. Also, I find picking up a catalyst as your first item helps fix his mana problems. Checkout Dyrus' guide on singed here http://www.solomid.net/guides.php?g=7397 if you really want to learn singed.
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| # ? Nov 6, 2011 15:27 |
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Android Blues posted:Actually if you put a respectable amount of points in W Udyr can trade very well in lane, he can just run in with his shield up and drop the Q proc on them (plus whatever autoattacks you get in the length of your stun) then flitter off. His shield is so spammable that the only thing making him at all vulnerable to harass is mana issues. Well that nerf to his shield a while back put him in a spot that while he technically can still be in lane, there are way better picks instead. Early game he has mana issues really bad and pretty much requires blue buff. You can max W to help that out, but then you pretty much just sitting there farming trying not to die. He's like Warwick, you can play him in lane, but he's really just better off in jungle. And singed is mana hungry until you get a Rod of Ages, once you rush that you can keep poison toggled on forever.
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| # ? Nov 6, 2011 18:22 |
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Yeah, just played a real game as him. 4v5 coz someone on our team disconnected straight away, I ended up laning solo against Amumu and Jax. Luckily the Jax was retarded and kept trying to tower dive me, which was hilarious coz I just turned around and chucked him over my shoulder. Free kill!
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| # ? Nov 6, 2011 19:30 |
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I played against an aoe team yesterday that absolutely stomped my poo poo. They were running amumu, galio, cass, tryn, and garen. Every teamfight they would dogpile their aoe ults and destroy us [I was running Cass, we had a Riven, Jax, Miss Fortune and Alistar]. I tried to get a quicksilver sash but that did poo poo vs the 3 aoe ults they kept dropping on us. Whats a good way to counter this if i come across it again, or is it just unavoidable gimmicks in Blind Pick?
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| # ? Nov 7, 2011 01:36 |
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Pretty much unavoidable unless your team has at least two tanky dps to counter it getting them to blow their ults. Amumu is really bad because his does a ton of damage and gallos taunts so you are disabled for a good 5 seconds at the very least which is more than enough time to die. It sucks but the only real way to get around really stun heavy aoe teams is to get them one on one or kite them around. The best thing to do in that case is to just start split pushing while your teammates keep the other team busy. You don't see it a lot but pure tanky dps teams are horrendous to get put against in solo que. Invalid Validation fucked around with this message at Nov 7, 2011 around 04:22 |
| # ? Nov 7, 2011 04:19 |
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Zasraik posted:In addition to the two posts above me they also have, unsurprisingly, lightning fast reflexes.
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| # ? Nov 7, 2011 04:27 |
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So, continuing with my Singed business yesterday, I am worried I am only doing well because my opponents are stupid. Killed their bottom base turret so the whole team ran for me. I made my escape using the tried and true method of running while spewing toxic gas. Instead of going somewhere else, 4 of their team follow me, through my gas, all the way to the river. By this point, 2 of them have virtually no health left and the other 2 are looking a bit peaky too, so I turn around, kill the 2 mostly dead ones and drive the other 2 off. Why did they chase Singed?
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| # ? Nov 7, 2011 11:59 |
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JimmyT64 posted:Why did they chase Singed?  Also be sure to spam shift+4 in these situations
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| # ? Nov 7, 2011 12:13 |
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JimmyT64 posted:Why did they chase Singed? It's his hidden passive.
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| # ? Nov 7, 2011 12:14 |
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funmanguy posted:At what point do you start to not suck? I just lost a game against intermediate bots as warwick. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLJvHCtlVVY Bots can't miss
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| # ? Nov 7, 2011 12:56 |
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Huckabee Sting posted:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLJvHCtlVVY I think you linked the wrong video there.
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| # ? Nov 8, 2011 00:49 |
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TEGGS posted:I think you linked the wrong video there. Did you watch it?
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| # ? Nov 8, 2011 00:53 |
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TEGGS posted:I think you linked the wrong video there. No.. he didn't? Rammus is going 700 mph, that Alistar hits him anyway with a knockup.
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| # ? Nov 8, 2011 02:04 |
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New guy here! Been playing LoL for about 4 months now, don't consider myself to be a total newbie but I am not great at it either. Would love to play with other goons sometime and gets some tips. ign: Sapoapo
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| # ? Nov 9, 2011 07:03 |
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Sapoapo posted:New guy here! Definitely hang around in IRC, i hear they play together a lot there
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| # ? Nov 9, 2011 07:23 |
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So, I tried out Fiddlesticks, as he's free this week, and SWEET MOTHER OF CHRIST is he fun. However, I also know he's also a pretty drat good jungler; is he considered as great in-lane, or have I just gotten really lucky in my experiences? He certainly seems fit for both, as his E is incredible harass and if you get behind anyone for a gank his W pretty much breaks face, but will there be a dropoff in his lane usability at a certain skill level? I'm fine with dropping into the jungle and grabbing buffs/nabbing dragon mid- and late-game, but the jungling early game just bores the poo poo out of me.
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| # ? Nov 9, 2011 08:02 |
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He's serviceable in lane, but he's much better off in jungle for those sweet sweet sneaky ults. He has a hard time clearing waves, so he's basically just a tag along.
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| # ? Nov 9, 2011 08:40 |
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nucleicmaxid posted:No.. he didn't? Rammus is going 700 mph, that Alistar hits him anyway with a knockup. I guess I didn't have my volume up high enough to hear all the commentary so I just thought 'oh Rammus going really fast and hitting something'.
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| # ? Nov 9, 2011 10:03 |
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Seraphinent posted:I played against an aoe team yesterday that absolutely stomped my poo poo. Splitpush. At low level / low Elo atleast 80% of teamfights are unnecessary and avoidable.
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| # ? Nov 9, 2011 11:31 |
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iSurrender posted:Splitpush. At low level / low Elo atleast 80% of teamfights are unnecessary and avoidable.
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