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Will2Powa
Jul 22, 2009

Niwrad posted:

While a rabid right-winger might have recommended it, Piven is pretty far to the left politically.

From reading some reviews on Amazon, I think some of the Libertarian types are interpreting the thesis as "Welfare is made to control the poor, so Public Welfare=Bad!" Nevermind, the point of all social policies is to "control" some part of the population.

Also, there's this from the wikipedia article on the Cloward-Piven strategy:

conservative shitheel posted:

Howard Phillips, chairman of The Conservative Caucus, was quoted in 1982 as saying that the strategy could be effective because "Great Society programs had created a vast army of full-time liberal activists whose salaries are paid from the taxes of conservative working people."[6]

But it's not surprising since it seems to be just another variety of accelerationist defeatism.

Will2Powa fucked around with this message at 03:54 on Aug 18, 2011

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Porphyrogenitos
Jun 3, 2011
Just finished reading Treasure Islands: Tax Havens and the Men who stole the World by Nicholas Shaxson; highly recommended, especially when it gives you the scale of Offshore that goes far beyond some poxy Caribbean islands.

http://treasureislands.org/

SaggingBard
Apr 2, 2007
I have the energy of a bear that has the energy of two bears!

Xandu posted:

I'm looking for some books on Darfur and Sudan. Anybody read Saviors and Survivors by Mahmood Mamdani or Darfur: A New History of A Long War by Alex de Waal?

Saviors and Survivors is good. Mamdani is pretty biased in his treatment of the pro-intervention camps, but they're not really central to the book and the rest of his argument is very strong.

Xandu
Feb 19, 2006


It's hard to be humble when you're as great as I am.
Thanks, glad to hear it's good, the premise was quite interesting. I'm also almost finished through Dancing in the Glory of Monsters, which is a quite good introduction to the wars in the Congo. It's pretty short, so it obviously doesn't go into detail on everything, unfortunately. I'll probably pick up Prunier's book when I've got a chance for some more in-depth reading on the area.

Unlearning
May 7, 2011

Porphyrogenitos posted:

Just finished reading Treasure Islands: Tax Havens and the Men who stole the World by Nicholas Shaxson; highly recommended, especially when it gives you the scale of Offshore that goes far beyond some poxy Caribbean islands.

http://treasureislands.org/

Concur with this. You wouldn't think a 300 page book about tax havens would be interesting, but, well, it really is.

Lobsterhead
Nov 1, 2010

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Any goons know of good books about Africa - its history, its cultures, its peoples? I know that Africa isn't a monolithic entity, so books about specific regions or countries are fine.

Zeitgueist
Aug 8, 2003

by Ralp

Lobsterhead posted:

Any goons know of good books about Africa - its history, its cultures, its peoples? I know that Africa isn't a monolithic entity, so books about specific regions or countries are fine.

I'd also be interested in pre-colonial Africa history. It's barely covered in most western history classes.

curried lamb of God
Aug 31, 2001

we are all Marwinners
I have to admit that I get lost in I-P threads due to not understanding issues preceding the establishment of Israel, so what's a good historiography of the region which goes in-depth into the various groups (the British, Irgun, etc) in the Palestinian mandate?

anabatica
Feb 17, 2006

by angerbutt
I'm about halfway through Direct Action: An Ethnography by David Graeber and it's really good. It's a first-hand account of the FTAA protests in Quebec City in 2001 by an anarchist Yale professor. I have trouble with slogging through theory but reading how things actually happen in a protest of that scale is really interesting.

Lady Gaza
Nov 20, 2008

Lobsterhead posted:

Any goons know of good books about Africa - its history, its cultures, its peoples? I know that Africa isn't a monolithic entity, so books about specific regions or countries are fine.

My girlfriend is reading The Scramble for Africa at the moment, it's a massive book and is apparently really good. I haven't read it though, but maybe check out some reviews on that.

e: just saw you wanted a book focusing on the cultures rather than colonialism, sorry. Still might be worth a look though.

mike12345
Jul 14, 2008

"Whether the Earth was created in 7 days, or 7 actual eras, I'm not sure we'll ever be able to answer that. It's one of the great mysteries."





Heard this quote from Marx in a documentary, but can't find the book it's from:

"Die Landschaft der Industrie ist das aufgeschlagene Buch der menschlichen Psychologie."

"The landscape of industry is the open book of the human psyche."

Could be from an article as well, I don't know.

Whitefish
May 31, 2005

After the old god has been assassinated, I am ready to rule the waves.
I just read this account of the Great Depression which approaches the whole thing from a Friedman-esque monetary perspective, and argues that the Depression was caused by a tightening of the money supply, and then exacerbated by inept government interventions.

I don't know very much at all about the Great Depression so I can't really assess the truth of what it says, although some of what it says does make me question it. For example, it refers to Keynes an 'influential charlatan', endorses the description of Hoover as 'leading the country down the path of socialism' because he put up import tariffs, and says:

quote:

...current studies and estimates reveal that Social Security has become such a long-term actuarial nightmare that it will either have to be privatized or the already high taxes needed to keep it afloat will have to be raised to the stratosphere.

So, can someone recommend an account of the Great Depression that addresses these issues in more detail?

Zeitgueist
Aug 8, 2003

by Ralp
Loving that website and that book.

About Us posted:

Does the Mackinac Center Have a Point of View?

Modern economic experience demonstrates overwhelmingly that the free market is a powerful engine of economic prosperity.

I'd imagine that pretty much any book about the Great Depression would be better. I think my high school text was more accurate.

Delegate Zero
Mar 24, 2005
Always bring an umbrella, you can't beat a good umbrella.
Can anyone point me toward the main books/authors behind workplace democracy and workers' control of their workplace?

Unlearning
May 7, 2011

Whitefish posted:

I just read this account of the Great Depression which approaches the whole thing from a Friedman-esque monetary perspective, and argues that the Depression was caused by a tightening of the money supply, and then exacerbated by inept government interventions.

I don't know very much at all about the Great Depression so I can't really assess the truth of what it says, although some of what it says does make me question it. For example, it refers to Keynes an 'influential charlatan', endorses the description of Hoover as 'leading the country down the path of socialism' because he put up import tariffs, and says:


So, can someone recommend an account of the Great Depression that addresses these issues in more detail?

Nicholas Kaldor's The Scourge of Monetarism is required reading when dealing with monetarists, as their theory of the banking system is quite simply false. For a more specific exposition of Friedman and Schwartz, see here.

Arturo Ui
Apr 14, 2005

Forums Bosch Expert

mike12345 posted:

Heard this quote from Marx in a documentary, but can't find the book it's from:

"Die Landschaft der Industrie ist das aufgeschlagene Buch der menschlichen Psychologie."

"The landscape of industry is the open book of the human psyche."

Could be from an article as well, I don't know.

Economic-Philosophical Manuscripts, Third Manuscript, section on Private Property and Communism.

The marxists.org translation reads: "We see how the history of industry and the established objective existence of industry are the open book of man's essential powers, the perceptibly existing human psychology."

mike12345
Jul 14, 2008

"Whether the Earth was created in 7 days, or 7 actual eras, I'm not sure we'll ever be able to answer that. It's one of the great mysteries."





Arturo Ui posted:

Economic-Philosophical Manuscripts, Third Manuscript, section on Private Property and Communism.

The marxists.org translation reads: "We see how the history of industry and the established objective existence of industry are the open book of man's essential powers, the perceptibly existing human psychology."

Thanks a dozen, wouldn't have found it otherwise!

nervana
Dec 9, 2010
so i just found this thread: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3437555

despite all its troubles, i love the US and i hope to move there some day. is there a book that gives a balanced account on how the US got into their current cultural? and/or economic situation and gives an idea of where the country might be headed in the future, and what this will mean?

SaggingBard
Apr 2, 2007
I have the energy of a bear that has the energy of two bears!

Lobsterhead posted:

Any goons know of good books about Africa - its history, its cultures, its peoples? I know that Africa isn't a monolithic entity, so books about specific regions or countries are fine.

Sundiata: An Epic of Old Mali translated by DT Keane is great. It's a english translation of a Malian oral epic that survived without being written for nearly 750 years. If you want a general textbook on African history from a multiplistic, multivocal perspective, History of Africa by Kevin Shillington seems to be the university standard, but studies in this field are still pretty limited by the fact that most of our knowledge of African history is archaeological rather than historical.

Scrree
Jan 16, 2008

the history of all dead generations,
I don't know if the OP is still being updated but I heartily recommend that Delusions of Gender by Cordelia Fine be added to list. It pretty much crushes popular neurosexism and makes you more aware of how people treat boy babies and girl babies completely differently even though at that stage of life they have almost identical capabilities.

I picked up a while back The ABC's of Political Economy and got a lot out of it, but I still feel like I am missing a few pieces of the puzzle, mostly in regards to currency. I've heard the argument that debt doesn't matter to the USA since the dollar is both fiat and the world reserve currency, and while it makes decent sense intuitively I can't really mentally articulate it fully. Are there any good books on fiat currency and how the current system is run?

Also currently reading through Andre Gunder Frank's REORIENT and so far its good, although sometimes it gets annoyingly long-winded about things that aren't completely on topic. I'll probably pick up Orientalism and The Colonizer's Model of the World afterwards since they seem like the classics of the field.

Whitefish
May 31, 2005

After the old god has been assassinated, I am ready to rule the waves.

UserMan posted:

I picked up a while back The ABC's of Political Economy and got a lot out of it, but I still feel like I am missing a few pieces of the puzzle, mostly in regards to currency. I've heard the argument that debt doesn't matter to the USA since the dollar is both fiat and the world reserve currency, and while it makes decent sense intuitively I can't really mentally articulate it fully. Are there any good books on fiat currency and how the current system is run?

I'm no expert at all, so it might be that this is a bad recommendation, but I found this (free) book to be helpful:

http://moslereconomics.com/wp-content/powerpoints/7DIF.pdf

It's written from an MMT perspective. Quite a few people on the forums seem to know a lot about MMT so maybe they could confirm if this is a good source of information.

Lobsterhead
Nov 1, 2010

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Church Of Walrus posted:

Sundiata: An Epic of Old Mali translated by DT Keane is great. It's a english translation of a Malian oral epic that survived without being written for nearly 750 years. If you want a general textbook on African history from a multiplistic, multivocal perspective, History of Africa by Kevin Shillington seems to be the university standard, but studies in this field are still pretty limited by the fact that most of our knowledge of African history is archaeological rather than historical.

Thanks! I've never heard of the Sundiata, sounds awesome.

Fuligin
Oct 27, 2010

wait what the fuck??

Why the West Rules, For Now: The Patterns of History, and What They Reveal About the Future by Ian Morris.

Don't be put off by the title, this isn't a load of eurocentric bunk about the value of western freedoms or capital or whatever. Morris basically goes back to prehistory and from there traces patterns of human development, migration, and cultural change to the present, with a particular focus on how geography affects economics affects society, etc, without short changing the role of culture. That might make it sound Diamond-esque, which it sort of is but... better, I guess. Whether or not you agree with his conclusions (and really, he doesn't posit any true "solution" to history, just does a very good of describing Why Things Are the Way They Are) you're pretty much certain to learn some interesting stuff, since he goes into great detail about virtually every world civilization and their customs. It definitely informed me about a lot more about the history of China, at the very least.

It's also got a breezy, readable style that makes it a pleasure to read. I highly recommend it.

Arcteryx Anarchist
Sep 15, 2007

Fun Shoe
I'm considering trying to do a chronological reading of Nietzsche sometime next year, if I haven't found interest in something else instead and not willing to make the time.

Xandu
Feb 19, 2006


It's hard to be humble when you're as great as I am.
I've been thinking about reading Capitalism and Slavery. It's pretty old, but worth reading?

mike12345
Jul 14, 2008

"Whether the Earth was created in 7 days, or 7 actual eras, I'm not sure we'll ever be able to answer that. It's one of the great mysteries."





I'm looking for first person accounts from african refugees on their way to Europe.

Basically what a trip on an over-crowded boat is like, how much you have to pay, how long does it take, how many people get sick and die... I've been googling for the past hour, but all I can find are short bits about death estimates.

Doesn't need to be a book, a long article/interview will do as well.

Casaubon
Mar 28, 2010

notaaron

Zeitgueist posted:

I'd also be interested in pre-colonial Africa history. It's barely covered in most western history classes.

Some good overviews:

- Medieval Africa 1250-1800, Roland Oliver
- Africa's Discovery of Europe 1450-1850, David Northrup
- History of African Societies to 1870, Elizabeth Isichei

Arcteryx Anarchist
Sep 15, 2007

Fun Shoe
Finished Zizek's Violence, moving on to some Kierkegaard or King Leopold's Ghost, just not sure which to pick yet

spiritual bypass
Feb 19, 2008

Grimey Drawer

lancemantis posted:

I'm considering trying to do a chronological reading of Nietzsche sometime next year, if I haven't found interest in something else instead and not willing to make the time.

Are you very familiar with him already? It might be better to actually do it backwards. His latest books were the clearest and it's murkier as you go back. He's certainly an unusually talented writer, but you may well burn out after too much of his bombast.

Arcteryx Anarchist
Sep 15, 2007

Fun Shoe

rt4 posted:

Are you very familiar with him already? It might be better to actually do it backwards. His latest books were the clearest and it's murkier as you go back. He's certainly an unusually talented writer, but you may well burn out after too much of his bombast.

The first book I read was Ecce Homo followed by The Gay Science, I've read a few select other pieces (not complete books) contained in a copy of The Portable Nietzsche that I have. I'm thinking of picking up a copy of Kaufmann's Nietzsche: Philosopher, Psychologist, Antichrist for more background as well. I've generally enjoyed what I've read so far, even if I have to read certain aphorisms a few times.

John_Anon_Smith
Nov 26, 2007
:smug:

lancemantis posted:

The first book I read was Ecce Homo followed by The Gay Science, I've read a few select other pieces (not complete books) contained in a copy of The Portable Nietzsche that I have. I'm thinking of picking up a copy of Kaufmann's Nietzsche: Philosopher, Psychologist, Antichrist for more background as well. I've generally enjoyed what I've read so far, even if I have to read certain aphorisms a few times.

Have you tried The Journal Of Nietzche Studies at all? They do articles based on his work and those that came after written by some of the best contemporary minds right now. My personal favourite is James Williams. His work on Deleuze is world-leading and based on a very thorough understanding of Nietzche.

http://muse.jhu.edu/journals/nie/

Arcteryx Anarchist
Sep 15, 2007

Fun Shoe

John_Anon_Smith posted:

Have you tried The Journal Of Nietzche Studies at all? They do articles based on his work and those that came after written by some of the best contemporary minds right now. My personal favourite is James Williams. His work on Deleuze is world-leading and based on a very thorough understanding of Nietzche.

http://muse.jhu.edu/journals/nie/

No, but now I really want to acquire an issue of this

Divorced And Curious
Jan 23, 2009

democracy depends on sausage sizzles
What are some good books on the history and culture of indigenous peoples of North America?

diphenhydramine
Jun 26, 2011

by Y Kant Ozma Post

Tony Jowns posted:

What are some good books on the history and culture of indigenous peoples of North America?

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/864979.The_Earth_Shall_Weep

Kolodny
Jul 10, 2010

Tony Jowns posted:

What are some good books on the history and culture of indigenous peoples of North America?

Everyone should read Charles Mann's 1491.

Econosaurus
Sep 22, 2008

Successfully predicted nine of the last five recessions

Are there any good online articles on fascism or things written from a non-racist fascist perspective? Not Nazism or white supremacists (although who knows if you can distinguish that in modern fascism, I'm not familiar with it). I read the LF effort post and I realized I really don't understand fascism at all, and I'd like to be able to tell people intelligently why Obama is not a fascist.

Edit: Also does anybody have a copy of The ABCs of Political Economy or Debunking Economics they'd sell/lend to me?

Econosaurus fucked around with this message at 22:38 on Oct 24, 2011

homerlaw
Sep 21, 2008

Plants are the best ergo Sylvari=Best

Econosaurus posted:

Are there any good online articles on fascism or things written from a non-racist fascist perspective? Not Nazism or white supremacists (although who knows if you can distinguish that in modern fascism, I'm not familiar with it). I read the LF effort post and I realized I really don't understand fascism at all, and I'd like to be able to tell people intelligently why Obama is not a fascist.

Edit: Also does anybody have a copy of The ABCs of Political Economy or Debunking Economics they'd sell/lend to me?

Umberto Eco has a good article on what are the tenants of fascism are.

http://www.themodernword.com/eco/eco_blackshirt.html

Helsing
Aug 23, 2003

DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU :love::love::love: JOE BIDEN

Econosaurus posted:

Are there any good online articles on fascism or things written from a non-racist fascist perspective? Not Nazism or white supremacists (although who knows if you can distinguish that in modern fascism, I'm not familiar with it). I read the LF effort post and I realized I really don't understand fascism at all, and I'd like to be able to tell people intelligently why Obama is not a fascist.

The Anatomy of Fascism by Robert O. Paxton is a short, accessible guide to fascism. It focuses less on 'fascism' as a set of abstract ideals and looks more toward how it had certain unifying themes such leader worship, an aesthetic of violence, the idea of an existential national crisis brought on by an Other that must be solved by a return to the ways of the past, corporatist economics, and the tendency to lend out fascist thugs to local businesses as a way of breaking strikes. It mostly proceeds through historical examples, but as Paxton himself notes, this is because fascism is less a coherent political ideology or doctrine than it is a set of 'organizing passions'.

Its a short book and can easily be used as a general guide to fascism (he even has a brief digression discussing whether Islamists count as fascists). Fascism is honestly a topic where you really need to look at the specific historical circumstances to understand what was going on.

quote:

Edit: Also does anybody have a copy of The ABCs of Political Economy or Debunking Economics they'd sell/lend to me?

http://ebookbrowse.com/abcs-of-political-economy-modern-primer-robin-hahnel-pdf-d140692011

Econosaurus
Sep 22, 2008

Successfully predicted nine of the last five recessions


Reading a 300 page PDF seems a lot harder than a bound book :smith:. Thanks for the link though, I'll try to find a way to convert it to kindle for android or something.

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Svartvit
Jun 18, 2005

al-Qabila samaa Bahth

Econosaurus posted:

Reading a 300 page PDF seems a lot harder than a bound book :smith:. Thanks for the link though, I'll try to find a way to convert it to kindle for android or something.
There are free Android apps that read PDF formatted ebooks (like FBReader). Or use a Duplex printer. In ebook formats you get 4 pages per sheet = 75 sheets. Almost handier than the real deal. I'm gonna do this now since everyone's been haussing that book.

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