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 Man it's really going to mitigate my concerns about not getting into OCS if it'd take 6 years to get to 100% GI Bill instead of 3, so thanks for that Vasudus.
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Get the gently caress off of page 2 you most important thread. ANYWAYS: I discovered today that dealing with a college in person makes everything better. I went from the registrar to the Office of the College of Engineering in 2 hours, and instead of twittling my thumbs waiting to see if I can get back in, I basically found out that I was on a list that needed a phone call to arrange a meeting to develop an academic plan to graduate. Also that the university straight defers to the my Department Chair when deciding my fate. Department Chair is cool with it? You get your happy rear end in here pocketing that sweet sweet BAH and get that education ON. As long as my academic plan gets created and approved by the Dean of Student Affairs for the College of Engineering, I am 95% shoe in for readmission. And apparently they had no idea I spent the time between when I was last enrolled and today enlisted. This all took exactly TWO loving HOURS INSTEAD OF A MONTH. Its so close that I can smell it and it is kiiiiiiilling me inside 
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SquirrelyPSU posted:Get the gently caress off of page 2 you most important thread. Yeah, doing things in person is much easier. Academic plans are pretty easy most of the time, you shouldn't have much of a problem getting everything approved. Take X class this semester, Y class next semester, get good grades etc. Kid stuff. Really the only time you shouldn't do things in person is when you either geographically can't, or you're working. People just don't care unless there is someone standing in front of them.
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Still waiting to get paid for April. gently caress their backlog. I thought they had this poo poo under control already.
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Roving Reporter posted:Still waiting to get paid for April. http://militarytimes.com/news/2012/...mbling-030912w/ Nope.
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I've still been getting my BAH, but my college isn't getting paid until late. But instead of leaving us hanging, they are actually putting us through as paid. This is great, unless you drop a class. Husband dropped a class after the no refund date and since the VA hasn't technically paid, it got all mixed up and he got a bill from the VA for over $1k. For a class that the VA hasn't even paid for yet... It's all sorted out now, but would have been nice for someone to let us know that even though it looks as though we are paid for and clear, its just the school pretending they are paid and turning their heads and letting us stay in class until payment is finally made.
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Vasudus posted:Yeah, doing things in person is much easier. Academic plans are pretty easy most of the time, you shouldn't have much of a problem getting everything approved. Take X class this semester, Y class next semester, get good grades etc. Kid stuff. If they would have told me that I just needed to do the academic plan thing a month ago, I would have done it myself, slapped it on the guys desk today and went, yo sign this. Its slightly more complicated than that, since I got my GPA reset, I'm probably going to have to take a couple of prereqs again that I got Ds in. I really hope I can argue my way out of it such that I don't have to take Diff Eqs again. I'm pretty sick of that class at this point. (It doesn't look like it transferred straight over from my quarter at the CC, it just gave me generic Math credits)
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SquirrelyPSU posted:If they would have told me that I just needed to do the academic plan thing a month ago, I would have done it myself, slapped it on the guys desk today and went, yo sign this. Take that up with the department - they usually have a checklist for every class when it comes to accreditation. Bring a syllabus, past tests, etc.
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I'm seriously thinking about going back for an MBA. While I don't have 911/GI Bill like most of you, my command has a program offering up to $7k/year tuition assistance for Masters programs. $7k/year unfortunately barely puts a dent in the MBA programs I'd really like to do, which run $100k+ for 2-year programs, not counting the cost of flights for mandatory international study and gas/hotel bills for residencies all. How are the less expensive MBA programs viewed my senior management in the real world? I was at an educational fair today and spoke to Old Dominion, UMUC, Strayer and Troy*. UMUC seems highly regarded, but was significantly more expensive per credit hour than the others; I do like their join MBA/MS program, where I could get an MS in IT and an MBA for just 6 credits more than just an MBA. Are schools like U Strayer and Troy taken seriously, or laughed off as degree mills? ODU isn't very highly regarded, even locally, and would require me to drive into Norfolk for classes, vice the others which are all online (I'd much prefer online). How would an MBA from ODU be regarded? * I also spoke to Regent. Or, rather, a Regent rep overhear me and spoke to me, calling me over, and started enthusiastically describing his school and their MBA program. He got quiet pretty quick when I asked if they had any diversity discounts for atheists. Turns out they don't.  Edit: For those not familiar, Regent University is a highly conservative christian university founded by Pat Robertson. grover fucked around with this message at May 11, 2012 around 17:44 |
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I don't know where you heard your info about ODU not being highly regarded, even in the area. Of all the schools you mentioned, ODU is the only actual research institution. And you as an engineer should now that ODU has a banging engineering program. But besides ODU, I know Strayer is taken seriously and not viewed as a diploma mill. It's not like going to Harvard Business School or something. But you're in government service so you can literally get your PhD at University of Phoenix and be regarded as an academic extraordinaire. Any school you go to so long as it's accredited will serve it's purpose in government service. Not interested in an MSE?
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front wing flexing posted:I don't know where you heard your info about ODU not being highly regarded, even in the area. Of all the schools you mentioned, ODU is the only actual research institution. And you as an engineer should now that ODU has a banging engineering program. To answer your question, I'm more interested in MSE than MBA (god, this poo poo's going to be dry), but MSE would have far less value for me professionally than an MBA. I'm only really looking at a double-MS with IT because it's offered by so many schools in conjunction with an MBA and I think the MS would serve me well in my immediate career progression if I stick with my present career path. I'm looking at an MBA specifically because I'm concerned about perception, and an MBA seems to be virtually mandatory for executive level management positions. I'm worried I'm getting pigeon-holed in my present job field, and I think an MBA and MSIT in conjunction with my Eng BS will be very marketable. My original focus was semiconductor engineering, so it's really not far from my roots. I've really only started seriously considering this the last few days and still have a lot more research to do. Talking about this with an SES is definitely on my to-do list. grover fucked around with this message at May 11, 2012 around 18:46 |
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U Dub just now emailed me saying that they didn't receive my transcript. Which was shipped on January 11th. They demanded! that I send my transcript out with immediate effect. I politely told them to go gently caress themselves.
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Checking in as the only man in the universe who benefits more from the Montgomery GI Bill than the Post-911 GI Bill.
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re: MBAs Generally speaking getting a degree from a for-profit university is a terrible, terrible idea now. A good portion of the government has now picked up on the whole diploma-mill thing and depending on the agency doesn't view it as a legitimate thing. I have a few anecdotes about CBP and other parts of homeland telling employees their for-profit BS/MS/whatever does not qualify them for higher grades. At the state level, my state for example does not even hire people with for-profit degrees for things that require them. If you need the degree to progress to the next stage of your life, getting it from a place that is legitimate is paramount. UMUC and the like are good solid bets, their degrees will pay for themselves in time. Doubly so if you don't really have a business background, the education that the MBA program provides would be quite useful, and likely necessary. Honeyboy Bradley posted:Checking in as the only man in the universe who benefits more from the Montgomery GI Bill than the Post-911 GI Bill. How?. Are you going to a cheap-as-gently caress online-only college that gives you significant tuition discounts? I've yet to find anyone that actually gets more from MGIB ever since they started giving online BAH.
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Low BAH in a state that waives tuition for residents that are veterans like CT or TX maybe?
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SneakySnake posted:Low BAH in a state that waives tuition for residents that are veterans like CT or TX maybe? Low BAH in CT doesn't exist. We're rated at 2100/month for the entire state. TX maybe. I'm starting to think that it's a pretty unique situation because I'm grasping at straws here.
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SneakySnake posted:Low BAH in a state that waives tuition for residents that are veterans like CT or TX maybe? Ding ding ding.
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In Texas they explicitly state your federal poo poo(GI bill) must be out first so you can't really do that here afaik
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Vasudus posted:re: MBAs Looks like I'm reading this at the perfect time. I'm currently attending American Military University and the one thing I'm worried about is whether the degree is going to mean anything when I'm done. Seeing as I will probably use the degree to pursue a government job (if it's state it'll be CT) your posts have gotten me thinking. So am I correct in saying that I should transfer to another school, like UMUC, if I'm going to pursue a state job in CT? Also did you attend UMUC?
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masada00 posted:Looks like I'm reading this at the perfect time. I'm currently attending American Military University and the one thing I'm worried about is whether the degree is going to mean anything when I'm done. Seeing as I will probably use the degree to pursue a government job (if it's state it'll be CT) your posts have gotten me thinking. So am I correct in saying that I should transfer to another school, like UMUC, if I'm going to pursue a state job in CT? Also did you attend UMUC? I did not, I attend a state school in CT. If you're planning on working in CT and just need to go to school, you might want to consider one of the CSU schools. Southern or Central are the more popular. Of course, there is also UCONN/UNH if you want to set the bar a bit higher. In any case, getting your degree from a more legitimate school is a very good idea. But in general, for-profit degrees quickly seem to be losing value. The state department of corrections of all places doesn't recognize for-profit degrees anymore, nor does children & families. Probably others too, but those two I've heard of reticently.
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Vasudus posted:But in general, for-profit degrees quickly seem to be losing value. The state department of corrections of all places doesn't recognize for-profit degrees anymore, nor does children & families. Probably others too, but those two I've heard of reticently. As well they should, and the military should be admonished for contributing to that crap.
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SquirrelyPSU posted:As well they should, and the military should be admonished for contributing to that crap. Half of it is leadership themselves getting poo poo degrees from places (see: random SGMs with PhDs in Divinity) and the other half is people responsible for transition classes being paid to shill for these places. It gets doubly complicated when it comes to accreditation - unless you know what you're looking for, some random school with accreditation from the federal level seems legit. Who honestly knows that regional, board accreditation is what matters? It's a system that profits from ignorance, complexity and stigma.
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Wow, it's bad when DOC isn't recognizing them. Although I like the schools around here I don't have the time to commute to a brick-and-mortar school after work. The schools are starting to offer more online but not enough that I'll be able to attend one in state. I looked at UMUC's site and they'll accept the credits from my associates so it won't be like I'm starting from square one if I do transfer there.
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Vasudus posted:Half of it is leadership themselves getting poo poo degrees from places (see: random SGMs with PhDs in Divinity) and the other half is people responsible for transition classes being paid to shill for these places. For that matter, how is Troy university viewed? They're a small state school (...in Alabama), and I was looking at their online MBA program, too, as it's relatively inexpensive. I've never really heard much about them, though, and have no idea the quality of the MBA program. grover fucked around with this message at May 13, 2012 around 01:39 |
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grover posted:Strayer is a for-profit university, but is regionally accredited by mid-states. How are they viewed? After doing a bit of digging, it seems that Strayer is a bad deal. They're definitely for-profit which in itself sets up a few flags - but their accreditation is what bothers me. Their individual programs do not seem to be accredited despite the school itself being accepted by the Middle States Commission. So basically your credits would be one-way, and the degree itself isn't worth the paper it's printed on. It's entirely possible that they are pulling what UoP does - they buy schools for their accreditation somewhere in the country, then poo poo out degrees on their accreditation until someone shuts them down. edit: Troy seems legit, doing what my state is doing with their Charter Oak school. Basically they pull assets from all their state schools and offer certain programs online to people outside the state in the form of distance learning. Now as far as their reputation or difficulty I couldn't tell you, as business is not my forte. But at least the degree is worth the paper it's printed on. Vasudus fucked around with this message at May 13, 2012 around 01:50 |
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I have really heard nothing bad, and have nothing against, an established educational institution that branches out into providing avenues for distance learners to obtain credits towards their degrees. I took a couple of classes through PSU's World Campus back in the day, and other than the foreign concept of dealing with online personalities as actual people, felt nothing different than if I had been in the classroom with them. I have heard great things about UMUC above all. I would presume smaller schools like Troy have similar reputations.
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Vasudus posted:After doing a bit of digging, it seems that Strayer is a bad deal. They're definitely for-profit which in itself sets up a few flags - but their accreditation is what bothers me. Their individual programs do not seem to be accredited despite the school itself being accepted by the Middle States Commission. So basically your credits would be one-way, and the degree itself isn't worth the paper it's printed on. How do you find out if a program is accredited? Is it as easy as looking on their website? Initially going into this I thought I was all set because I was going to a school that was regionally accredited instead of nationally. Now I'm starting to realize there is more to it than that.
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Vasudus posted:After doing a bit of digging, it seems that Strayer is a bad deal. They're definitely for-profit which in itself sets up a few flags - but their accreditation is what bothers me. Their individual programs do not seem to be accredited despite the school itself being accepted by the Middle States Commission. So basically your credits would be one-way, and the degree itself isn't worth the paper it's printed on.
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masada00 posted:How do you find out if a program is accredited? Is it as easy as looking on their website? Initially going into this I thought I was all set because I was going to a school that was regionally accredited instead of nationally. Now I'm starting to realize there is more to it than that. I usually type in '[university name] accreditation' into google and get their website's page. I then find out the various commissions that give the accreditation, and then go to their websites to confirm that they do in fact give it to that school. You would be surprised at how many of these schools list that they are accreditation by xyz and find absolutely no mention on the actual commission website. I also try and get reviews about degree programs and other related things off of a search - the problem is that with online degrees there are a ton of SEO websites that will flood the first few results (sometimes even pages) of searches about a school. So you have to ignore things that are from places like onlineschools.com or whatever the gently caress exists - these are all companies paid to make schools look more legit. And finally, I look at the school's wikipedia entry. Sometimes you get everything you need right off there. ninja edit: oh, and I also check a program's faculty listing. You should never see someone with a bachelors degree teaching except as a TA. Some fields will get by with a masters degree, but those are limited almost entirely to business (but not econ) and fine arts. If you see someone list their education as 'ABD' it is a huge loving flag - that means 'all but dissertation' meaning they are not done with their MS or PhD program - their highest level of education completed could just be a bachelors.
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grover posted:Heh, my coworker with an MBA from Strayer will be joyed to hear that. It served its purpose, though; having that MBA helped him land a really sweet gov job he was otherwise way underqualified for. To be fair, he admitted he went with Strayer because their admissions requirements were very low, and he did it mostly so he could milk GI bill BAS/BAH without actually having to go to school. The problem is not only that it's hard to discern the bullshit from the legit, but also how much the employer even cares in the first place. Five, ten years ago? Who the gently caress cares if it's on the back of a napkin. The government has been particularly slow to adopt to the fact that people are essentially cheating to get a check in the box. Some clearly more than others. Higher education is a terrible, terrible world.
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Vasudus, did any of the state agencies in CT release a written policy about not accepting bachelors from for-profit schools? I'm going to warn one of the guys I work with that is taking classes there as well, but I know he will be skeptical. I can find general stuff about how HR departments frown on for-profits but nothing specific about CT.
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masada00 posted:Vasudus, did any of the state agencies in CT release a written policy about not accepting bachelors from for-profit schools? I'm going to warn one of the guys I work with that is taking classes there as well, but I know he will be skeptical. I can find general stuff about how HR departments frown on for-profits but nothing specific about CT. Unfortunately no, all I have is anecdotal evidence. The overwhelming majority of my grad school classmates work for the state in various components and this is where I got my information about DCF/DOC not recognizing the degrees.
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Hey for anyone doing VA work study in a hospital, do you get to do actual patient interaction? I'm going for something in the medical field and I need clinical experience. I'd be sweet if I could get paid and knock those hours at the same time.
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BITCHTITS posted:Hey for anyone doing VA work study in a hospital, do you get to do actual patient interaction? I'm going for something in the medical field and I need clinical experience. I'd be sweet if I could get paid and knock those hours at the same time. I was wondering the same thing. I'm a former Navy corpsman (thus no actual civilian certifications) and will be going to school for a career in the medical field. If I could get hospital/clinic experience while also using VA work study that would be great...
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Vasudus posted:Unfortunately no, all I have is anecdotal evidence. The overwhelming majority of my grad school classmates work for the state in various components and this is where I got my information about DCF/DOC not recognizing the degrees. Update: I found this on the CT-HR-12 form, the state form for employment. CT HR-12 form, page 3 posted:** - In order to receive educational credit towards admittance to an examination, the institution must be recognized by the CT Department of Higher A quick run on CHEA shows that UoP and Strayer are not listed as accepted by the state.
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sharkbomb posted:I was wondering the same thing. I'm a former Navy corpsman (thus no actual civilian certifications) and will be going to school for a career in the medical field. If I could get hospital/clinic experience while also using VA work study that would be great... I doubt actually working with patients is feasible due to HIPAA aside from pushing wheelchairs or hospital beds(which I have seen work study guys do) from/to the ER. However, there are definitely clinical positions available. They had 3-4 Research Assistant positions open in our job book when I was looking to 'apply' for one, so there are definitely science oriented ones. A lot of the more 'technical' work study positions put requirements down, such as wanting Bio/Science majors for the RA positions and perhaps some related experience. For my IT position, I had a technical mini-interview and some hands on tests. Its really up to the direct supervisor you're going to be working under. Another idea I was told from the work study coordinator is that if I knew somebody in the hospital(my PCP, physical therapist, speech pathologist, etc), is to ask them if they or someone they know needs help since you're free labor to them. You just created yourself a job, and all they have to do is sign off on your hours sheet. EconOutlines fucked around with this message at May 17, 2012 around 15:44 |
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Is VA work study only in hospitals and VA offices?
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Do state colleges not count for profit college degrees on graduate school admissions?
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liquidfire posted:Do state colleges not count for profit college degrees on graduate school admissions? It depends wildly on the school.
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