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Celot
Jan 14, 2007
I fed my gains to the homeless

So there was demand for this thread. Let's not get it gassed.

Some good places to hunt for stuff:

http://reddit.com/r/mensrights
http://reddit.com/r/askreddit
http://reddit.com/r/libertarian
http://reddit.com/r/politics
http://reddit.com/r/fffffffuuuuuuuuuuuu
http://reddit.com/r/seduction

r/wtf posted:

Reddit, I'm a completely open minded liberal person who.thinks everyone is equal, but transgenders are freaks

mensrights posted:

Throwaway account time: How many of you have to hide your membership to /MR? How many of you would lose their children/homes if your wife caught you reading this subreddit? (self.MensRights)

Just a quick check-in. Been married 3 years, no kids.
My wife caught me reading and posting to this subreddit, and became deeply enraged. She says that the /MR movement is just an excuse for misogyny, and that she doesn't want our relationship poisoned with 'that loser crap' (personally, i think she's horrified at the thought of losing power in her life, and is lashing out in fear).
I tried to explain that most of us love women, and that we wanted equality with women, not to oppress them. I also emphasized that it was the legal system that we are trying to change, and not punish individual women.
Anyway, after a heated, vitriolic series of fights, she threatened to initiate divorce proceedings if I ever brought up an MR argument or even got caught reading /MR again. This was a deep shock to me on several levels: First, she has NEVER laid down an ultimatum like that before in our relationship. Second, she seems to be absolutely blind to the irony of her demand.
How many of you guys have to hide their membership to /MR? how do you cope with it? Have you ever been caught?



e:

mensrights posted:

I avoid interacting with the few female coworkers I have more than what is absolutely required. You never know when you'll be accused of sexual harassment or even surprise sex. It happens everywhere and I think if you don't take your precautions it's only a matter of a short amount of time before it happens to you. Whenever I get involved in a hiring situation I will most likely pick a man over a woman. While a woman may very well be the best candidate that doesn't count for much when she's disruptive as everyone has to tip-toe around her.

I used to take the elevator at work, but now I always take the stairs. That's just a precaution I take against women who could potentially use the situation to make false accusations(you know like ripping her shirt open and running out of the elevator crying in front of a lot of witnesses and then start accusing me of attempting surprise sex). That's just one of the many things I've ended up doing in order to stay safe. All these safety measures add up and I've never been falsely accused of anything because they've just never had the opportunity to make an accusation that could stick. I'm sure a feminist will come along one day who will just completely pull something out of her rear end despite of me having an alibi or witnesses, but that will be easily dismissed I'd hope.

Since a woman's word trumps a man's word whenever he doesn't have an alibi a man just has to be very cautious. Don't let a woman be around you on her own; better safe than sorry.

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Perestroika
Apr 8, 2010

Did I detect some burning just now?


If you browse through mensrights you may wonder why so many of them seem concerned about possibly being accused of surprise sex. Well, the answer can be found in http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/.
In short: They act like rapists.

seduction posted:

Stop when she resists, then start again until she resists again.

If she resists more than 3 times, kill the sexual vibe and stop paying attention to her.

If she draws you back in, time to have intimate relations.

seduction posted:

I would have approached this scenario as follows. I would have agreed with her that what she was doing was wrong but steadily continue to escalate. Sometimes women just need validation. Just because she says that she doesn't want to have sex doesn't mean that she doesn't want to have sex. When women have one night stands it is viewed by society as slutty behaviour. This doesn't apply so much to guys. Sometimes she is just indirectly expressing that she is a good girl and understands the societal expectations. She is probably just looking for some validation, not necessarily saying she doesn't want to have sex.

Charming guys.

Ben and Stew
Mar 31, 2006

Woah!


Can we get a thread for insightful youtube comments too?

Brown Moses
Feb 22, 2002


Lets just keep Reddit, Youtube, and stuff like that to this thread, and Freep, Hillaryis44, Team Sarah, etc to the other thread.

Peven Stan
Feb 1, 2006


East Asians do have a marginally higher IQ. It is roughly 103 for whites vs 105 for East Asians. The distribution of IQ is narrower for East Asians though, (the std deviation is 12 or 13 points vs 15 points for whites) which means there is actually a smaller proportion with IQ's over 140.

potato!
Apr 24, 2008



Perestroika posted:

If you browse through mensrights you may wonder why so many of them seem concerned about possibly being accused of surprise sex. Well, the answer can be found in http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/.
In short: They act like rapists.



Charming guys.

And then there's the neverending stream of comments like this:

quote:

quote:

Is there any differences when trying seduction on college women compared to older women?
Add more alcohol.

pushpins
Sep 10, 2006
Title text (optional; no images are allowed, only text)

ManThoughts posted:

That's because women's groups don't want to lose their Pussy Cartel, and the government wants to keep men marrying women and growing the population.
If sex were legal, reasonably priced, and reasonably safe, women would no longer be able to entice men into pregnancy & marriage with sex. Nor would they be able to manipulate men with sex. And let's face it: they don't have much else to offer these days.
To be fair, though, there are a few feminists who do support legalizing prostitution.

Angry Avocado
Jun 6, 2010




The misogyny and paranoia in the MRA Reddit is astounding. Afraid to use the elevator because a girl might rip her shirt open and run out of the elevator accusing you of surprise sex? I can't imagine what it must be like to live in a world where you think that both sexes are literally at war with eachother, and that every single woman always is out to gently caress men's lives over for apparently no reason at all.

QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

Donald 'Duck' Dunn: "We had a band powerful enough to turn goat piss into gasoline."

(QuackJets.)
~SMcD


quote:

seduction poster posted:

I've gotten pretty good at opening sets, something I was terrified to do only a few months ago. But when I talk to girls I feel like I'm not doing enough to build attraction then and during the first date. I do my best to drop some light negs, do some kino, and keep it light and fun without going to interview mode. But I can't see myself creating that attraction spark. What can I do to improve? Thanks Seddit!
Accuse her of trying to seduce you, accuse her of having a dirty mind.

Alright fess up, which one of you goons posted this reply?

sloppy_joes
Dec 13, 2010
I DEFEND REDDIT CHILD PORN PEDDLER'S "RIGHT" TO VICTIMIZE TEENAGE GIRLS. PLEASE SEND ME BACK TO REDDIT ASAP WHERE I BELONG. (ALSO I AM A MRA)

Some of the mensrights ones are total bullshit, but some are kind of interesting - like this one. Although I don't know if I trust a website called "the rights of man"

Gum
Mar 9, 2008

oho, a rapist
time to try this puppy out


sloppy_joes posted:

Some of the mensrights ones are total bullshit, but some are kind of interesting - like this one. Although I don't know if I trust a website called "the rights of man"

A website called "the rights of man" that quotes the daily mail

sloppy_joes
Dec 13, 2010
I DEFEND REDDIT CHILD PORN PEDDLER'S "RIGHT" TO VICTIMIZE TEENAGE GIRLS. PLEASE SEND ME BACK TO REDDIT ASAP WHERE I BELONG. (ALSO I AM A MRA)

Edit: I think I misread your post.

Lotish
Dec 10, 2008

I pick up my Devil Axe...
...and DEVIL!


Peven Stan posted:

East Asians do have a marginally higher IQ. It is roughly 103 for whites vs 105 for East Asians. The distribution of IQ is narrower for East Asians though, (the std deviation is 12 or 13 points vs 15 points for whites) which means there is actually a smaller proportion with IQ's over 140.

I don't mean to sound snide, but I would love to see the study that indicates that. Do you have a link?

(or wait, was that a reddit quote? If so, you got me!)

ts12
Jul 24, 2007

by Y Kant Ozma Post


sloppy_joes posted:

Some of the mensrights ones are total bullshit, but some are kind of interesting - like this one. Although I don't know if I trust a website called "the rights of man"

http://therightsofman.typepad.co.uk...for_men_14.html

Anyone ever involved in men's rights is total poo poo and should probably be ignored. What the hell is anti-male propaganda and where is it ever a problem?

eggsovereasy
May 6, 2011



I'm a reddit refugee, it gets worse than the examples given in this thread.

ts12
Jul 24, 2007

by Y Kant Ozma Post


The old LF thread had some really vile stuff from the PUAs, like outright calls for surprise sex. It was about as bad as it gets. Of course there was also the "I get off when I smell the toilets girls use" comic too.

White Van Man
May 23, 2010

I see a ship in the harbor
I can and shall obey
But if it wasn't for your misfortune
I'd be a heavenly person today


sloppy_joes posted:

Some of the mensrights ones are total bullshit, but some are kind of interesting - like this one. Although I don't know if I trust a website called "the rights of man"

quote:

The story was also in the Daily Mail (read the comments for illumination)

Stopped reading here.

Amarkov
Jun 21, 2010


ts12 posted:

http://therightsofman.typepad.co.uk...for_men_14.html

Anyone ever involved in men's rights is total poo poo and should probably be ignored. What the hell is anti-male propaganda and where is it ever a problem?

What really pisses me off is that there are actually legitimate issues there. Accused rapists shouldn't have their names smeared all over, male abuse victims should feel like they have a place, and fathers should get more equitable parental rights. But none of those are going to get fixed for a loooong time, because any politician uninterested in pandering to the "male rights" crowd would not touch them with a hundred foot pole.


Content: http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/c...ver_didsaid_to/

A thread about cool things you did to get a girl, with about the responses you'd expect from Reddit. Choice quotes:

quote:

"You don't have to say 'yes' just to be nice, or to try to placate my feelings. I'm interested, sure, and would love to hang out, but you're not interesting enough to compromise my weekend waiting around on you to decide whether or not you want to hang out with me."

quote:

I tell her "Watch this..." and I walk up and fart really loudly right next to those people.

quote:

She was stunning in every way. Slender, beautiful lips, well dressed, and she was Asian (extra points).

We need , but I don't know what the gently caress you could have it be that would quite convey the appropriate message.

sloppy_joes
Dec 13, 2010
I DEFEND REDDIT CHILD PORN PEDDLER'S "RIGHT" TO VICTIMIZE TEENAGE GIRLS. PLEASE SEND ME BACK TO REDDIT ASAP WHERE I BELONG. (ALSO I AM A MRA)

White Van Man posted:

Stopped reading here.

Well I realized after the article I linked was actually full of poo poo, but it's an interesting issue I meant.

White Van Man
May 23, 2010

I see a ship in the harbor
I can and shall obey
But if it wasn't for your misfortune
I'd be a heavenly person today


sloppy_joes posted:

Well I realized after the article I linked was actually full of poo poo, but it's an interesting issue I meant.

Yeah, sorry, I was overly flippant and it wasn't intended in your direction. I meant to imply that the only thing worse than Daily Mail articles are the small-minded, hate-filled, insane comments that squat beneath them.

Doctor Roosevelt
Jun 17, 2006

Arr! Yer a cripple, Franklin!


Amarkov posted:

A thread about cool things you did to get a girl, with about the responses you'd expect from Reddit. Choice quotes:




We need , but I don't know what the gently caress you could have it be that would quite convey the appropriate message.

I think fits the bill pretty well there.

Celot
Jan 14, 2007
I fed my gains to the homeless

Here is a post by an actual rapist:

clanksy posted:

As someone who was falsley accused of surprise sex (never went to court because the girl knew she couldn't win) I just want to say thanks to all you guys (and girls, I know you're in here!). Thanks for giving me hope.

...


No. All she did was leave me a letter saying I raped her. I barely knew the girl really. So that wouldn't be worth it.

...

Again, no. TBH, she was saying no, but in this playful way. We were in my house and my parents were home, so she could have gone for help. It was a confusing mess. I don't think she was really consenting to what I did, but she wasn't objecting either. Just a mess I want to put behind me.

Here is a bigass post by a guy defending the rapist guy:

more rapey stuff, defending that guy posted:

Why should he have to be careful?

It's everyone else who ought to react more responsibly rather than assuming surprise sex.
When I hear a guy say "she wasn't really consenting but wasn't really objecting" that means she wasn't clear about what she wanted, and it wasn't his responsibility to read her loving mind, and it wasn't his responsibility to ask her "do you give official consent that I touch your thigh? okay, thank you so much. now, do you give official consent that I touch your belly? okay, thank you so much. and so on, and so on..."

Women have a responsibility to be CLEAR about whether they are consenting.

Why? Because otherwise there is no loving way for a guy to know what a girl wants without reading her mind and ruining the mood by asking "please can I touch you here? okay, now here? is that okay, miss?" Girls do not want a guy to beg them, they want and desire a guy who takes control.

And so it is entirely a girl's responsibility, just as it is a guy's responsibility, to be clear when they are NOT consenting - and if they are not CLEAR, it is NOT surprise sex.

Same goes for guys, too. If a guy has a homosexual fling with another guy, and he wasn't clear that he didn't want to do it - that's because he did want to do it, but he didn't want to say so. It doesn't matter if he's ashamed, feels guilty, or regrets it - it was his responsibility to stop it if he didn't want to do it.
And almost everyone would agree with that, because guys are expected to take responsibility for their actions.

But when a girl knows she wants to do something but doesn't clearly say YES I CONSENT and the guy can't read her mind, suddenly it's surprise sex, because he has a penis and she does not.

We need to stop jumping to conclusions that "yes, that's surprise sex" when we have these discussions. Honestly, the only surprise sex that is really surprise sex is forced or coerced surprise sex (and I don't mean seduction, I mean real coercion with intent that gives the other party no reasonable alternative but to be subjected to sexual assault).

If a girl is with a guy and he does stuff with her, and doesn't FORCE her, and she doesn't stop him, it's NOT surprise sex. At the very worst, it's a misunderstanding.
99% of the time when I hear a story like this, it's one of these scenarios where it's clearly not forced surprise sex, and therefore - not surprise sex at all.


Anyone who has been involved sexually with another human being knows this, but when it comes to the question of what happened when a guy and a girl get together, we always blame the male because we have been taught to eat up the idea that males are always bad and females are always their victims. We need to move past that.

This is why "no means no" is patently false: http://www.avoiceformen.com/2011/05...-sure-whatever/
Personally, I've always made sure that I got a clear sign (sometimes verbal, sometimes not) from a girl before proceeding with her. In fact, I'd make sure they pursued me. Why? Because 1) I didn't feel like getting rejected, and 2) I didn't want to be accused of being an evil rapist, even though I know I"m not.
In a sane society, we would tell girls (not just guys) to be clear about what they want and to take some personal responsibility. But we don't, and that's why they are slut walking around the western world: because it's not okay to tell a girl to be responsible, and why is that? Because it's assumed telling girls what to do - even if it's advice for their own good - is considered an arm of the evil oppressive patriarchy. http://www.blogtalkradio.com/avoice...t-the-slutwalks

I'm not trying to pick on you personally, either, Pierce. These things are all connected, and if we don't dispense with the notion that girls have no responsibility, you will never see an end to false surprise sex claims.

Things will only change when women are held accountable. See overcontrol's comment here: http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/...vbie2?context=3

Here is more general reddit stuff:

mensrights posted:

The whole idea of surprise sex is anti-male. If a woman dresses like a slut, gets drunk at a party, jumps on a guy and regrets it the next morning, society says the guy raped the girl.

Also there's a lot of this:

r/pics posted:

Im on the greyhound for two hours with this woman. Lets see if she sees this.


Dudes will take pictures of women they see in public and then post them on reddit, and it generally hits the front page. In my opinion, that is creepy.

Mario Reindeer
Jan 13, 2006
Ask me about causing a miscarriage with my fist!

ts12 posted:

http://therightsofman.typepad.co.uk...for_men_14.html

Anyone ever involved in men's rights is total poo poo and should probably be ignored. What the hell is anti-male propaganda and where is it ever a problem?

Actually some people are theorizing that the declining rates of male graduation from bachelor degree programs and secondary education in general and the general "slacker attitude" that seems to be prevalent in the 20-30 male demographic may have been influenced in part by the big push in the 90s for girl empowerment, and that it was stressed in such a way as to have had a detrimental effect on boys. I've also read theories that there aren't very many good male role models in either the media or in schooling, not the least of which because of the big pedophilia scare.

It seems to be the general assumption that if a man wants to be around children, it's because he's a menacing, boy-hungry pedophile, as opposed to a man that just enjoys being around children.

I don't really watch a lot of tv, so I'm not an expert, but I'm trying to think of a male character that is portrayed in a way that would be considered mostly positive. Most male characters seem to be violent and impatient, uninterested in science or learning, or just not rolemodel material in general. Even movies are like this. Star Wars is a good example of media that's targeted mostly at boys, and what characterizes Anakin? He's petulant and rude, arrogant and violent and eventually a crazed killer. Transformers has Optimus Prime, who is sort of a wise leader-type, but the film usually focuses instead on Sam who is mostly a douchebag. Contrast this with a character like TNG's Picard, that is calm, scholarly, even-handed but still tough and respected. Star Trek can't really escape this either, because the new Kirk is kind of a spoiled douchebag that get's everything he wants because of luck and innate talent. Harry Potter is similar: his only real talent and passion is for sports, which he's innately good at, while he leaves all the book-reading and heavy mental tasks to his friends.

Girls in media fair a little better, though. Gender stereotyping is still prevalent, but female characters are usually portrayed in much more positive lights and with fewer of the flaws that seem endemic in male characters.

That isn't to say it's some sort of misandrist conspiracy, just a general trend that could be construed as being somewhat anti-male, or at least portraying a harmful view of masculinity and disdain for anything involving nancy stuff like book-learnin' and reedn' 'n' raitn' 'n' stuff.

laughterhouse five
Feb 17, 2011

by elpintogrande


Mario Reindeer posted:

That isn't to say it's some sort of misandrist conspiracy, just a general trend that could be construed as being somewhat anti-male, or at least portraying a harmful view of masculinity and disdain for anything involving nancy stuff like book-learnin' and reedn' 'n' raitn' 'n' stuff.

Tell us about causing a miscarriage with your fist.

Lyesh
Apr 9, 2003



Mario Reindeer posted:

I don't really watch a lot of tv, so I'm not an expert, but I'm trying to think of a male character that is portrayed in a way that would be considered mostly positive.

Off the top of my head, every single male character in the movie "Inception," Rory and the Doctor in "Doctor Who," Troy in "Community," Jim in "The Office," and there's probably tons more that I'm not thinking of because I barely watch any television.

GROVER CURES HOUSE
Aug 26, 2007

Go on...


White Van Man posted:

Stopped reading here.

Maybe it's a zen koan?

Mario Reindeer
Jan 13, 2006
Ask me about causing a miscarriage with my fist!

Lyesh posted:

Off the top of my head, every single male character in the movie "Inception," Rory and the Doctor in "Doctor Who," Troy in "Community," Jim in "The Office," and there's probably tons more that I'm not thinking of because I barely watch any television.

Doctor Who is a pretty good example. He at least shows being intelligent in a positive light. The only small issue I have with him is that I never see him reading or working at anything--he simply has all this innate knowledge and then he rides around in his spaceship solving mysteries. But it's an action show, so it's not like that's a big deal.

The characters in inception were alright as well, but they're more anti-heroes than out and out heroes and protagonists. I also don't think that movie is actually aimed at boys either. Wasn't it PG-13?

I can't really comment on the others because I haven't watched them. What I had in mind as positive role models for young men are characters like Indiana Jones or Luke Skywalker. Yeah, they're fantastical, but the sort of arcs their characters go through definitely mirror real life in some respects. The OT of SW is basically all about Luke's maturation into manhood with the heroic journey as a framing device for it. Indiana Jones is a swashbuckling adventurer, but he's also a world-class nerd and is only able to do the things he does because of the extensive research he did before heading out on his quest.

Even comic book movies that are aimed at the boy and adolescent markets are simultaneously aimed at adults, and it sends a weird message. Tony Stark is a billionaire playboy that is innately gifted at engineering, but the movie presents it as a sort of magic. He doesn't really work hard to invent the things he does, he just waves his hands at his computer to make the iron man suit. The Batman movie is a bit better, though. The first movie details the years of soul searching and hard work that go into him becoming batman, and then the hard work of him creating the devices he uses to fight crime. He also isn't portrayed as jumping into bed with every woman that crosses his path.

This is getting kind of long, so I guess I'll just sum it up as the general portrayal of quite a few male protagonists seems to be that if you aren't innately good at something, don't bother, and reading is dumb and books are dumb. The trend for females in fiction, though, seems to emphasis reading and learning and working hard, like the Princess and the Frog for example. With the exception of Twilight.

ts12
Jul 24, 2007

by Y Kant Ozma Post


Mario Reindeer posted:

Doctor Who is a pretty good example. He at least shows being intelligent in a positive light. The only small issue I have with him is that I never see him reading or working at anything--he simply has all this innate knowledge and then he rides around in his spaceship solving mysteries. But it's an action show, so it's not like that's a big deal.

The characters in inception were alright as well, but they're more anti-heroes than out and out heroes and protagonists. I also don't think that movie is actually aimed at boys either. Wasn't it PG-13?

I can't really comment on the others because I haven't watched them. What I had in mind as positive role models for young men are characters like Indiana Jones or Luke Skywalker. Yeah, they're fantastical, but the sort of arcs their characters go through definitely mirror real life in some respects. The OT of SW is basically all about Luke's maturation into manhood with the heroic journey as a framing device for it. Indiana Jones is a swashbuckling adventurer, but he's also a world-class nerd and is only able to do the things he does because of the extensive research he did before heading out on his quest.

Even comic book movies that are aimed at the boy and adolescent markets are simultaneously aimed at adults, and it sends a weird message. Tony Stark is a billionaire playboy that is innately gifted at engineering, but the movie presents it as a sort of magic. He doesn't really work hard to invent the things he does, he just waves his hands at his computer to make the iron man suit. The Batman movie is a bit better, though. The first movie details the years of soul searching and hard work that go into him becoming batman, and then the hard work of him creating the devices he uses to fight crime. He also isn't portrayed as jumping into bed with every woman that crosses his path.

This is getting kind of long, so I guess I'll just sum it up as the general portrayal of quite a few male protagonists seems to be that if you aren't innately good at something, don't bother, and reading is dumb and books are dumb. The trend for females in fiction, though, seems to emphasis reading and learning and working hard, like the Princess and the Frog for example. With the exception of Twilight.

Celot
Jan 14, 2007
I fed my gains to the homeless

a reddit mod posted:

A man has every right to have sex with his wife. The whole idea of surprise sex in marriage is ludicrous. Why else do you think men get married: because we like women's personalities? Get real. The article by Phyllis Schafly is a well written piece outlining one of the tru injustices facing men today.

quote:

And we know the reasons men tend to have higher-paid positions:

- Male bell curve is wider, so more men are at the top and at the bottom (homelessness).
- Men choose jobs that pay more but are less satisfying because men are wealth objects to women.
- Men tend to be better at things like management, math, engineering, deep thinking.

I think I'm going to try collecting mostly poo poo from other reddits now.

800peepee51doodoo
Feb 28, 2001

Volute the swarth, trawl betwixt phonotic
Scoff the festune


Haha any statement that begins "That article by Phyllis Schlafly is..." and doesn't end with "idiotic", "reprehensible", or "the literal actualization of human evil in written form" is laughably wrong

Frijolero
Jan 24, 2009


A gem from this person I've been arguing with for three days on reddit.

Frijolero posted:

"Nation building"
Haha seriously please stop watching FOX news.
Aren't you ashamed you voted Bush?

Nungesser posted:

I watch a wide variety of broadcast new sources including liberal networks such as CBS, NBC, ABC, CNBC, CNN and MSNBC as well as the fair and balanced FoxNews.
I am proud to have voted for GWB in both of his election victories in 2000 & 2004 over democrat party challengers.

It's from this post I started about ending the American wars. Read the comments if you want to lose a little hope. It's basically me and this person arguing.
Here's other gems:

Nungesser posted:

We didn't start the fire.
When Muslim terrorists stop flying planes into buildings and sending homicide bombers into crowded marketplaces then we can bring our men & women home.

Nungesser posted:

American imperialism died in the Phillipines 100 years ago. Get with the times.

deety
Aug 2, 2004

zombies + sharks = fun


Mario Reindeer posted:

The trend for females in fiction, though, seems to emphasis reading and learning and working hard, like the Princess and the Frog for example.

Uh, in The Princess and the Frog, the working-class princess is still about to lose her dream restaurant to some random fatcat who made a higher bid on the place. Her hardworking behavior is routinely criticized by her friends and family, who think she should have fun and settle down with a guy, and she only reaches true happiness after realizing that maybe they're right. Oh, and she also decides that the goal she's spent her whole life working towards is worth giving up to remain a frog with a man that she's known for a couple of days. Even in the happily-ever-after part of the movie, she only gets her restaurant by using her royal husband and their goofy alligator sidekick to intimidate the realty agents.

The protagonist may have that one positive character trait, but the movie isn't exactly sending positive messages to young girls.

Mr.Unique-Name
Jul 5, 2002



Frijolero posted:

A gem from this person I've been arguing with for three days on reddit.

It's from this post I started about ending the American wars. Read the comments if you want to lose a little hope. It's basically me and this person arguing.
Here's another gem:

I thought that stupid "homicide bomber" term went away shortly after it began. I guess not.

Astfgl
Aug 31, 2001



Mr.Unique-Name posted:

I thought that stupid "homicide bomber" term went away shortly after it began. I guess not.

Wait, so it wasn't just a typo? Also, aren't all bombers potentially homicidal? Whereas only suicide bombers are willing to blow themselves up as well? Why is this a thing?

Mario Reindeer
Jan 13, 2006
Ask me about causing a miscarriage with my fist!

deety posted:

Uh, in The Princess and the Frog, the working-class princess is still about to lose her dream restaurant to some random fatcat who made a higher bid on the place. Her hardworking behavior is routinely criticized by her friends and family, who think she should have fun and settle down with a guy, and she only reaches true happiness after realizing that maybe they're right. Oh, and she also decides that the goal she's spent her whole life working towards is worth giving up to remain a frog with a man that she's known for a couple of days. Even in the happily-ever-after part of the movie, she only gets her restaurant by using her royal husband and their goofy alligator sidekick to intimidate the realty agents.

The protagonist may have that one positive character trait, but the movie isn't exactly sending positive messages to young girls.

Except the prince is poor and borderline useless and is only portrayed positively after Tiyana redeems him by showing him the value. She's also given an easy way to accomplish her dream but she turns it down. It also portrays her hardworking father in a positive light. The message seemed more like Tiyana had to learn not to be so up tight and Naveen needed to learn some responsibility.

Yeah, I mean, I guess she does kind of resign herself to being a frog after turning down the villain's offer, but that's after they figure they are stuck as frog's forever.

Slo-Tek
Jun 8, 2001



Astfgl posted:

Wait, so it wasn't just a typo? Also, aren't all bombers potentially homicidal? Whereas only suicide bombers are willing to blow themselves up as well? Why is this a thing?

Fox news said so.

If I had to guess, it is because the word "suicide" is freighted with the idea of sadness, and desperation, and at even in a western war movie context a suicide attack is seen as brave and noble.

So they need a new, less sympathetic phrase. Implying that what they are doing is done out of lack of options, or is brave, or should in any way be pitied is not the message you want to send.

Hence homicide bomber, but it didn't really stick past a year or two that I noticed.

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Frijolero posted:

Here's other gems:

Nungesser posted:

American imperialism died in the Phillipines 100 years ago. Get with the times.

Obvious troll, I don't believe anyone is seriously that stupid.

Yeah seriously look at his profile and posting history: http://www.reddit.com/user/Nungesser


Mr.Unique-Name posted:

I thought that stupid "homicide bomber" term went away shortly after it began. I guess not.

Not to mention it's extremely redundant. What other reason is there to bomb if you don't intend to destroy and kill people?

Mr.Unique-Name
Jul 5, 2002



Astfgl posted:

Wait, so it wasn't just a typo? Also, aren't all bombers potentially homicidal? Whereas only suicide bombers are willing to blow themselves up as well? Why is this a thing?

The first/last place I heard it was it got thrown around a bit then they seemed to drop it. I think the logic was something like "they're trying to kill other people too" or some poo poo, but that makes most bombers homicide bombers.

Frijolero
Jan 24, 2009


Mr.Unique-Name posted:

I thought that stupid "homicide bomber" term went away shortly after it began. I guess not.

Hahaha holy poo poo. I was so embarrassed at this person's level of conservatism that I didn't notice that.

Homicide bombers only get three virgins I hear.

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