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Fidel Cuckstro
Jul 2, 2007

---Edit: I don't have any great aspirations to make this a Vegas megathread, but I figure I'll but some links in to some great threads/posts Sheep-Goats and others have made at least

I want to make a bunch of money in Vegas. How do I do it? I have no idea, but I'm pretty sure you can't. You probably want to spend the next year reading the PITR forum

I don't mind losing money, but I'd like to have fun gambling. What's good and where can I learn? This is easier. Sheep-Goats has an excellent thread on the topic of non-poker casino games. The top suggestions are generally Craps, Pai Gow Poker, Blackjack and Roulette. Sheep has rules links in his thread for all those games, and you can get some basic practice for free on any of those games at bodog.com. Basic selling points of each:

  • Craps- despite how complicated the table looks, it's a very easy game to play and the odds are only slightly in the house's favor. It can be very social, but avoid slowing down the game if you're the shooter.
  • Pai Gow Poker- I know little about this game. Sheep say's it's relaxing and very social and he seems to know what he's talking about!
  • Blackjack- If you can memorize a 10x30 chart of 'actions', you can get the house edge down to a pretty low percent. Some people have had a lot of fun a blackjack tables, while others have had tablemates bitch at them because they 'totally broke the table strategy'. Also it can be a fast moving game.
  • Roulette- Has a pretty strong house edge, and in the one time I've played before the other players seemed to be more focused on laying out their chips in the tetragrammaton than talking. But the spins come fairly slowly, and if you make coin-flip type bets (red/black, even/odd) you can probably stick at a table for a while without losing your shirt.

What about non-gambling? Where do I stay/eat/drink? Good threads to comb through are the Archived PITR General Vegas thread and JaySB's Working in Vegas thread. Basic things to know-

  • Either stay on the strip or in Downtown. Downtown is cheaper and has some good casinos, while the strip is more expensive but you'll find all the shows/clubs/strippers there.
  • If you're gambling, ask for comps. It's a good way to get some coffee/lunch even if you're not a high roller.
  • Also, get a members/players card from your casino. It'll give the casino an excuse to send you e-mails with good room discounts once you leave.
  • There's a lot of advice to avoid cabbies. Don't let them take the freeway to/from the airport, and if you're going out to a strip club or the like, see if the club has a shuttle/limo/car that can pick you up.
  • Apparently, greet everyone working at your hotel/casino/club/restaurant with a palmed $20. Ask at check-in if there's a room upgrade available, and you might get it for free.
  • Unless you have a particular show you want to see, it seems best to wait for people to offer you discount 'night-of' show tickets. I mean, how many different Cirque shows can there be?

What's the best/cheapest/nicest place to stay? Hotel/casinos/resorts fall into and out of favor, and it also depends on how much you really want to spend AND why you're going.

  • Excalibur tends to have some good deals, but it's very family oriented.
  • Stratosphere seems to also have cheap rooms, but it's located at the very north edge of the strip
  • MGM and The Wynn tend to be pretty well recommended for adults
  • AZCoug recommends Bill's Gambling Hall as the ideal place to stay on the strip for cheap. If you have a players cad with them, you can get offers to stay for free or almost free. It's more central to the strip than the Stratosphere and (I believe) less family than Excalibur.
  • I'll add more as suggestions are posted!

:goonsay: Tell me about the women! If you believe JaySB's thread, women who go to Vegas are just waiting to hop on any dick they can find! The big key is to not be yourself! Vegas is the place and time to lie about who and what you are. IT geek? How about a social networking expert who worked on the Obama campaign. Unemployed? Try out being an artist. Lie and spend what little money you have, and the world is your oyster. Lincoln said that.

Strip Clubs? Very popular! You probably shouldn't feel embarrassed going to one, although as my girlfriend puts it- don't be the guy who buys into the fantasy. $20 seems to be the general cost of a lapdance. Sapphire's and Spearmint Rhino are the biggest ones near the strip. $350 gets you bottle service and a bunch of attention, while $500-$600 will usually get you a half-hour or hour in a VIP room where you may be able to have sex?!

Ahh prostitution! It's legal there right? NO. Prostitution is legal in neighboring counties, but illegal in Las Vegas. That, of course, doesn't mean there aren't prostitutes easily found. But remember- getting involved in illegal activities are a great way to get ripped off or in trouble with the cops.

What about those live girls delivered to your room?! Just don't.

How do I spot a prostitute? They're the ones not drinking alcohol at the bar/club.




---------End of Megathread Type info----------

I'm kind of surprised there's not a thread for general Vegas advice, but I guess a place designed to be easy to travel to maybe doesn't need one?

I'm planning a ~4 day vacation in about a month, and I've decided to go to Vegas for the first time. I'm going back to an MBA program a week later where vacations are going to be tougher to schedule, so I'm looking to just tune out and drink, make some friends and lose a little money gambling. Also, since this is a bit of a celebration visit I'm spending a bit on myself. It looks like I'll pay around $900 for the flight and trip, and maybe about that much in drinking/gambling/clubbing? I'm currently planning on going alone.


I'm open to any suggestion, but in particular I was wondering if people had gambling advice? I've only been to a casino once before, and I'm fine with losing money (I'm not looking for any insider tips or anything)- but I'd like suggestions on how to make sure my gambling experience looks more like one of those exciting Vegas movies with people shooting craps and cheering, and not sitting in front of a slot machine zoned out.

Fidel Cuckstro fucked around with this message at 03:24 on Jun 20, 2011

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standardtoaster
May 22, 2009
Blackjack tables. Find the low buy-ins, usually $5. To start go to O'sheas on the strip. They have low cost tables and very friendly dealers. Lots of college kids gamble there so it's a good place to meet people. With a good dealer you usually get some tips/help with hands and odds and can play for a while on $20. At the up-scale casinos you'll get dealers that are all business, not fun.

Then, when you feel bold, go find a craps table at some casino with lots of happy looking older dudes standing around. Craps players usually put down some serious money because it's the most ridiculous gambling game ever conceived. Tell them you have no idea what you're doing and they'll help you make the best bets you can, they'll cheer you on too. Then, when you lose all of your money in five minutes at craps, go back to blackjack and make some more craps money.

In the long run, the best place to meet people will be at blackjack tables.

Kal Torak
Jul 17, 2003

When Giles sends me on a mission, he says "please". And afterwards I get a cookie.
Learn to play craps. Seriously. It is a tonne of fun and the best odds in the house.

PUNCHITCHEWIE
Apr 4, 2009
IF I'M TALKING ABOUT FOOTBALL, IGNORE ME. I'M A FUCKING IDIOT.
There was a really good vegas megathread here or in PITR once upon a time, if anyone can track it down I'd like the link.

raton
Jul 28, 2003

by FactsAreUseless
For gambling advice you can look at my gambling thread in PiTR. I'm phone posting now so I can't get you a link, but it's on the first page of Poker in the Rear, which is a subforum of Sports Argument Stadium.

Fidel Cuckstro
Jul 2, 2007

Sheep-Goats posted:

For gambling advice you can look at my gambling thread in PiTR. I'm phone posting now so I can't get you a link, but it's on the first page of Poker in the Rear, which is a subforum of Sports Argument Stadium.

Didn't see it when I peaked through there- but I think I found it:

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3068697

Thanks.

Does anyone have prefered suggestions for hotels/resorts?

raton
Jul 28, 2003

by FactsAreUseless
Yep, that's it.

PUNCHITCHEWIE posted:

There was a really good vegas megathread here or in PITR once upon a time, if anyone can track it down I'd like the link.

There's a link to the PITR "General Vegas thread" in the first parts of my gambling thread above, but it's been archived.

Saltin
Aug 20, 2003
Don't touch

standardtoaster posted:

Then, when you feel bold, go find a craps table at some casino with lots of happy looking older dudes standing around. Craps players usually put down some serious money because it's the most ridiculous gambling game ever conceived. Tell them you have no idea what you're doing and they'll help you make the best bets you can, they'll cheer you on too. Then, when you lose all of your money in five minutes at craps, go back to blackjack and make some more craps money.

Don't play craps like that. Play craps like this http://www.nextshooter.com/

Spend about an hour reading the basics here (start with How to Play, obviously) and learn a solid game. You'll meet tons of people and have a great time, all the while enjoying the best odds in the entire casino (unless you can count cards). Craps is a really social game, and easily the most fun table game in the casino if you ask me.

Saltin fucked around with this message at 22:45 on Jun 17, 2011

copperblue
May 21, 2003
Did my first Vegas trip over Memorial day. 99% video poker. Here's what I came back with...

Fremont street is pretty awesome at night. You'll get raped on taxi fares but it's worth seeing on a weekend. Everything is cheaper downtown.

Drinking on the strip means either tipping the cocktail waitresses 5$ and camping out next to their service bar...or put a $10 in a video poker machine, max bet, and you'll get a drink every 20 minutes. More if you tip.

Staying on the strip is kinda pissing your money away. There's tons of nice casinos a couple blocks away to save $. Hard Rock, Gold Coast, Rio, Orleans, et al. Room rates went WAY down Sunday-Thursday.

Take the public bus if you can stand the heat. It's so much cheaper than Taxis and Monorail. Lots of hotels do free shuttles too.

Venkmanologist
Jun 21, 2007

Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together -- mass hysteria.
Just the thread that I needed!

I am best-man in my best friends wedding and trying to plan a Vegas bachelor party for July 22-24. Looking to get at least 8 people out there.

I was just planning on getting some cheap rooms (~$175/night) since we would only use them for sleeping. All other money would go to a VIP Service and gambling/strip clubs.

Has anyone had any luck with packages from a place like this? I'm looking at the "Last Supper" package, wich would be $159/person with a minimum of 6 people.

http://www.bachelorvegas.com/packages/bachelor-party.html

Sorry if I'm hijacking this thread, I just need all the help I can get.

edit: Forgot the URL

Venkmanologist fucked around with this message at 01:42 on Jun 18, 2011

Fidel Cuckstro
Jul 2, 2007

Venkmanologist posted:

Just the thread that I needed!

I am best-man in my best friends wedding and trying to plan a Vegas bachelor party for July 22-24. Looking to get at least 8 people out there.

I was just planning on getting some cheap rooms (~$175/night) since we would only use them for sleeping. All other money would go to a VIP Service and gambling/strip clubs.

Has anyone had any luck with packages from a place like this? I'm looking at the "Last Supper" package, wich would be $159/person with a minimum of 6 people.

Sorry if I'm hijacking this thread, I just need all the help I can get.

Hijack away. That's the same weekend I'm going so if anyone has any suggestions on cool things going down that weekend I'd love to hear.

Killer Low Life
Sep 6, 2010

If you want a cheap hotel rate avoid Friday and Saturday nights. Monday night I paid around $28 for my room, Saturday cost me nearly 150$. I went with about 400$ and had more than a good time, there's a lot you can do without spending a lot of money. Go to Fremont street, cheapest tables and good bargains on food and drink.

If the waitress brings you a drink tip her 1$, they will come back for you after that

I like to play Blackjack and I won enough to pay for my meals and bus fare while I was there. Didn't have as much luck on the other games. Unless you're REALLY good at poker stay the hell away, my buddy was easily a few hundred deep in the hole when we left (probably more he was too embarrassed to say how much he really lost)...

Shappa
Jan 22, 2005

You probably don't know her, she goes to a different school
http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3316134

This entire thread is well worth a read for Vegas advice/suggestions.

Fidel Cuckstro
Jul 2, 2007

Shappa posted:

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3316134

This entire thread is well worth a read for Vegas advice/suggestions.

I was reading through that yesterday, finding it through one of Sheep-Goat's threads. I was thinking of putting a post there asking some of the guys with travel advice to come over here, but I don't really know Ask/Tell politics I guess...


One thing I noticed this morning- I usually book vacations through Orbitz and I feel like everything I was seeing on the strip aside from one/two casinos (Excalibur, Stratosphere) were basically $850 to $1050 for 3 nights. I was looking at priceline this morning on a lark and everything seemed a lot cheaper- $650-$850 for a places at the Mirage, MGM etc. Does anyone know if priceline is just better connected in Vegas or anything?

Baddog
May 12, 2001

DeclaredYuppie posted:

One thing I noticed this morning- I usually book vacations through Orbitz and I feel like everything I was seeing on the strip aside from one/two casinos (Excalibur, Stratosphere) were basically $850 to $1050 for 3 nights. I was looking at priceline this morning on a lark and everything seemed a lot cheaper- $650-$850 for a places at the Mirage, MGM etc. Does anyone know if priceline is just better connected in Vegas or anything?

Holy poo poo, 200-350/night for MGM? My biggest tip is getting a players card when you are there, and use it, even at nickel slots. Even at low limits, you'll get offers for rooms for 40 or 50 dollars (probably free rooms at luxor). MGM is terrible about comping anything while you are there, but they love giving offers ahead of time to get you back.

Fidel Cuckstro
Jul 2, 2007

Baddog posted:

Holy poo poo, 200-350/night for MGM? My biggest tip is getting a players card when you are there, and use it, even at nickel slots. Even at low limits, you'll get offers for rooms for 40 or 50 dollars (probably free rooms at luxor). MGM is terrible about comping anything while you are there, but they love giving offers ahead of time to get you back.

Ok nevermind, I'm more awake now and went back to check the numbers. The prices looked better ($690 for the MGM on Priceline versus $830 through Orbitz, $870 for The Venetian versus $1,070), but I figured out that priceline doesn't let you select roughly when your flights are. On Orbitz I'm opting to fly in/out at noon/afternoon times. Priceline is defaulting me to a 'Thursday' flight that doesn't get me in until 1:30am Friday, and has me leaving Sunday at 12:30 am. Once I select more reasonable flight times, it evens out.

AzCoug
Jun 10, 2010
As much of a pain in the rear end they are to carry around, Players Cards are a must. I have one for every casino and use it every time I play. Also, don't stand in line for them, if you don't have one, just give the dealer your ID when you sit down to play a table game and the pit boss will make you one.

I got a players card from Bill's Gambling Hall and am now frequently getting "post cards" in the mail for free/discounted rooms. In fact, the last 2 times I've gone to Vegas I've stayed at Bills for free and I'm not exactly a high roller. Speaking of Bill's, if you want a nice place to stay for relatively cheap, that's your place. I've stayed next door at the Flamingo and Bill's blows it out of the water. The rooms are nice and very clean and you can't beat the location and the casino. The staff there is also great, you have more of a personal touch in a smaller hotel like that. It's also nice because their casino has a lot of low limits and it next to O'Sheas and some others that have low limits.

If you're at the other end of the strip, Hooters is a good casino too. Kinda like Bills, where it isn't huge and they have low limits. Another bonus is because it's not huge, the waitresses are always close by with fast service!

Here a blackjack tip: I realize the $5 tables are "beginners" tables, but for God's sakes, if you don't know how to play the game, don't sit at 3rd base (last chair on the left) and gently caress up the whole table with your stupidity! On the same note, if you have an idea of what you're doing and want to stay away from those situations, go to a $10 table, those rookie mistakes tend to happen less often there.

Games: Seems some people here have a little bitterness towards Craps. But if you learn to play it, it is actually a really fun game. One that you can either win a lot of money on, very quickly, or lose very quickly. Even at a $5 table, your absolute minimum buy in should be $60, anyless than that you can't really do much with unless you plan on sitting there and covering the passline and playing the field every now and again.

If you want a good, low risk, drinking game, Pai Gow is your game. I've sat down with $40 before and literally played for 4 hours and I think I ended up netting $40, all while sucking down the Captain and Coke and making the waitress run her rear end off! It won't take long to catch on, but you could honestly flip over every hand you have and let the dealer set your cards to the "house way" and never even try to understand the game. I'm not sure what the actually percentages are, but it seems like you push 70% of the time in that game, which is why it's a great free drinking game.

Taxi/Monorail: Depends on what your plans are. If you plan on being up and down the strip all day and don't want to walk, buy an all day monorail pass, they will be much cheaper than taxis. But be prepared to do some walking, the stations are at the back of all the hotels/casinos, so you will be walking a block or two just to get to the strip. Fremont is a must a night, if you've never been. There's nothing wrong with a Taxi (plan on $15 one-way), but unless you like sitting in a loving musty sweat box, making 40 stops through the ghetto and just happen to have an overwhelming urge to piss away a couple hours of your Vegas vacation, STAY AWAY FROM THE CITY BUS. If you're that worried about cost, find someone to split a cab with.

I'll leave this long post at that. I loving love Vegas and could sperg about it all day, so feel free to PM me if you have any questions. I've lost track of the number of times I've been there, so I can probably answer most your questions (unless it's about clubbing. If I wanted to pay $12 for a beer I'll stick money in a slot machine and wait 30 min for my waitress...)

AzCoug fucked around with this message at 21:39 on Jun 19, 2011

AzCoug
Jun 10, 2010

DeclaredYuppie posted:

Ok nevermind, I'm more awake now and went back to check the numbers. The prices looked better ($690 for the MGM on Priceline versus $830 through Orbitz, $870 for The Venetian versus $1,070), but I figured out that priceline doesn't let you select roughly when your flights are. On Orbitz I'm opting to fly in/out at noon/afternoon times. Priceline is defaulting me to a 'Thursday' flight that doesn't get me in until 1:30am Friday, and has me leaving Sunday at 12:30 am. Once I select more reasonable flight times, it evens out.

If you're flying in from out of town, tell your cab driver specifically to NOT take the freeway. They may tell you it's quicker (and maybe sometimes it is), but usally it isn't. It's out of the way and ends up being longer (mileage wise) and more expensive in the end.

(Obviously it depends on where you're staying, but for most hotels, the surface streets will suffice.)

AzCoug
Jun 10, 2010

Saltin posted:

Craps is a really social game

Not sure I agree with that. Craps is very fast paced and most of the time people are busy placing bets or picking up bets in between rolls, as opposed to chatting it up. Just depends on the table I guess. And you'll get a feel for what the table is like, after being there for a few minutes.

Craps players can also be very superstitious and tend to get easily annoyed if you happen to be holding up the game in any way (this mostly applys if you are a roller and you're too busy BS'ing with your buddy instead of picking up the dice. Then again, you keep rolling winners and you can gossip with your bro-dude all you want).

If you want a social, chit chat game, go play Roulette. There's a lot of time between spins where you can meet people and have a good time.

Jagfire
Aug 16, 2003

Boing!

AzCoug posted:

Here a blackjack tip: I realize the $5 tables are "beginners" tables, but for God's sakes, if you don't know how to play the game, don't sit at 3rd base (last chair on the left) and gently caress up the whole table with your stupidity!

Mathematically, the rest of the table's odds are the same whether the guy at 3rd base adheres to basic strategy or makes terrible plays. It's just easiest to blame him as it's most apparent. His bad moves also help the table.

AzCoug
Jun 10, 2010

Jagfire posted:

Mathematically, the rest of the table's odds are the same whether the guy at 3rd base adheres to basic strategy or makes terrible plays. It's just easiest to blame him as it's most apparent. His bad moves also help the table.

Negative. When the dealer has a 6 and everyone at the table stays besides the idiot at 3rd base (or where ever he may be) who ends up taking the dealer's bust card and they make a hand, my odds just went from 100% to 0%. Granted, the seat its self doesn't matter that much, because he could have done that at the center of the table while everyone else stayed and the end result would be the same. But at the end of the day, 3rd base has the final say and can easily gently caress up a hand.

I've lost way more money from his bad moves than I've made. And I don't stay long enough to actually witness if his bad moves "help" the table.

If a guy is playing basic strategy and we lose, I'm not going to blame him just because he's in that seat. His dumb rear end play makes it apparent, not the seat, I realize that. So yes, if you don't know what the gently caress you're doing and you cost the whole table a win, I will blame you...no matter where you sit.

Jagfire
Aug 16, 2003

Boing!

AzCoug posted:

Negative. When the dealer has a 6 and everyone at the table stays besides the idiot at 3rd base (or where ever he may be) who ends up taking the dealer's bust card and they make a hand, my odds just went from 100% to 0%. Granted, the seat its self doesn't matter that much, because he could have done that at the center of the table while everyone else stayed and the end result would be the same. But at the end of the day, 3rd base has the final say and can easily gently caress up a hand.

I've lost way more money from his bad moves than I've made. And I don't stay long enough to actually witness if his bad moves "help" the table.

If a guy is playing basic strategy and we lose, I'm not going to blame him just because he's in that seat. His dumb rear end play makes it apparent, not the seat, I realize that. So yes, if you don't know what the gently caress you're doing and you cost the whole table a win, I will blame you...no matter where you sit.

It's not based on your personal experience. Read this. I don't like seeing anyone make an incorrect play that leads to me losing, but I understand it just as easily could've been a win.

quote:

Over almost 1.6 billion rounds, the loss of the first player to act was 0.289%, and the second player to act of 0.288%. So the house edge of the basic strategy playing first player was almost the same, regardless of whether the second player played correctly or wildly incorrectly. I hope this puts and end the third baseman myth, but I doubt it.

AzCoug
Jun 10, 2010

Jagfire posted:

It's not based on your personal experience. Read this. I don't like seeing anyone make an incorrect play that leads to me losing, but I understand it just as easily could've been a win.

Touche. Mathematically, it stands. But the only thing that throws me for a loop is the constant use of "in the long run". Well what exactly is the "long run", because when that happens to me I usually don't stick around long enough for the "long run" to play out. I'm too worried about the mathematics not working in my favor during the short run.

raton
Jul 28, 2003

by FactsAreUseless

AzCoug posted:

Touche. Mathematically, it stands. But the only thing that throws me for a loop is the constant use of "in the long run". Well what exactly is the "long run", because when that happens to me I usually don't stick around long enough for the "long run" to play out. I'm too worried about the mathematics not working in my favor during the short run.

If you gamble there is only the long run. You might only see a section of it, but there is no point where the rules change because of the timeframe involved. There is no way to select which portion or portions of the long run you will experience, but as far as the game is concerned you're one of a million people concurrently putting his money at stake in a particular way and the net result for that is going to be functionally identical every single time.

You should also keep in mind that we, as a species, fear loss about twice as much as we desire gain.* When you say you've lost more on others misplaying third base than you've gained would you say it was more than twice as much?


*According to my freshman psychology text in college -- the experiment involved surveying people for at what point, statistically, they'd flip a coin to win a dollar. The population doesn't bite until you offer them 2:1.

raton fucked around with this message at 00:57 on Jun 20, 2011

Jagfire
Aug 16, 2003

Boing!
I like sitting at third base and can't be scrutinized at the table since I play almost perfect basic strategy. People don't usually get the whole hit on soft 18 vs. a dealer 10 thing though, among a few other basic strategy moves.

Fidel Cuckstro
Jul 2, 2007

So what's the best seat to sit at where other players (rightly or wrongly) won't bitch at you about hitting when you aren't supposed to or whatever?

I've started playing some practice games on Bodog just to get the rules and terms down as much as possible, but I know I'm not going to be a pro at blackjack by the time I visit

raton
Jul 28, 2003

by FactsAreUseless

DeclaredYuppie posted:


So what's the best seat to sit at where other players (rightly or wrongly) won't bitch at you about hitting when you aren't supposed to or whatever?

I've started playing some practice games on Bodog just to get the rules and terms down as much as possible, but I know I'm not going to be a pro at blackjack by the time I visit

First base is the least prone to bitching, that's the seat furthest to the right -- the main thing is to just stay out of third. Keep in mind, though, that blackjack players can be real pricks (it's the whole knowing just enough to get into trouble thing) and sometimes it's just something you have to put up with. If your friends are with you you can take over the table pretty quickly just by filling seats as people leave which usually happens at the shuffle.

The game with the best overall social / laid back atmosphere is probably pai gow poker, imo.

raton fucked around with this message at 01:08 on Jun 20, 2011

Fidel Cuckstro
Jul 2, 2007

Sheep-Goats posted:

First base is the least prone to bitching, that's the seat furthest to the right -- the main thing is to just stay out of third. Keep in mind, though, that blackjack players can be real pricks (it's the whole knowing just enough to get into trouble thing) and sometimes it's just something you have to put up with. If your friends are with you you can take over the table pretty quickly just by filling seats as people leave which usually happens at the shuffle.

The game with the best overall social / laid back atmosphere is probably pai gow poker, imo.

Do I get to shout "PAIGOW!" every hand, or is that frowned upon?

Actually- are there any good rules for spotting a fun table? Obviously this is probably asking you to delve into stereotyping, but I know I've read things like "Asians are very serious about baccarat"...do I look for the guy in a 10-gallon hat and bolo tie?

raton
Jul 28, 2003

by FactsAreUseless

DeclaredYuppie posted:

Do I get to shout "PAIGOW!" every hand, or is that frowned upon?

Actually- are there any good rules for spotting a fun table? Obviously this is probably asking you to delve into stereotyping, but I know I've read things like "Asians are very serious about baccarat"...do I look for the guy in a 10-gallon hat and bolo tie?

There are little things people like to say at paigow and you'll pick them up as you go. You can yell "lahp lahp!" every hand if you want to, which is hexing the dealer by yelling "nothing nothing!"

Spotting a fun table isn't hard. If people look happy there you'll feel happy sitting down there, too.

Fidel Cuckstro
Jul 2, 2007

Sheep-Goats posted:

There are little things people like to say at paigow and you'll pick them up as you go. You can yell "lahp lahp!" every hand if you want to, which is hexing the dealer by yelling "nothing nothing!"

Spotting a fun table isn't hard. If people look happy there you'll feel happy sitting down there, too.

I thought everyone looked happy in Vegas?!

Sheeps, I hope it's ok, but I updated the OP with a bunch the advice you've given in this thread and others. Let me know if anything looks off.

Blinkman987
Jul 10, 2008

Gender roles guilt me into being fat.
Thinking about getting a massage a Monday afternoon. Any recommendations? Any places gave sick weekday deals?

luminalflux
May 27, 2005



Going to Vegas for the first time first week of August for BlackHat/Defcon. My buds apparently want to stay at MGM Grand while the conference is at Caesar's. Their idea is to take the monorail but it looks like it stops hella far from Caesar's. I'm going to an event at Paris before BlackHat and probably staying there as well for a couple days.

What I'm asking is: how much of a pain is it going to be to get between MGM or Paris and Caesar's each morning/afternoon? Does it really matter where I stay? Which place has better rooms and breakfast?

Edit: I've never really gambled either, should I start playing online poker to figure out how to play Texas Hold'Em or just not play poker at all while there?

Edit2: Recommend me some good microbrew bars since I'm sortof a beer nut and not totally into getting sloshed on bad beer or rum&coke-type drinks.

Fake edit: If I want to play golf but my handicap is 36 (just started playing really) are there any good courses around to play at where I won't get laughed at for being a sortof beginner? Will I suffer heatstroke and die if I try to play in August? I'm from Sweden so definitely not used to desert heat but man I love me some golf.

luminalflux fucked around with this message at 19:59 on Jun 20, 2011

Bgwin
Apr 23, 2004
Came in to say as a gambling novice Bill's Gambling Hall was my favorite place by far. I had never played Pai Gow until I went and sat down blind and just started to pick it up. $5 limits was great and strong drinks were coming non-stop. Every table I sat at for Pai Gow everyone was friendly and the Asian players were teaching me and my buddy sayings and it was riot.

copperblue
May 21, 2003

luminalflux posted:

What I'm asking is: how much of a pain is it going to be to get between MGM or Paris and Caesar's each morning/afternoon?

They're within walking distance if you can tolerate the insane heat. Going from Paris to Ceaser's would be alot easier than MGM. Bill's is right there too and typically alot cheaper, but nowhere near as nice as Paris.

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Edit: I've never really gambled either, should I start playing online poker to figure out how to play Texas Hold'Em or just not play poker at all while there?

You can show up around 10am at most casinos to learn to play poker 'n craps.

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Will I suffer heatstroke and die if I try to play (golf) in August?

Most definitely

jabro
Mar 25, 2003

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I am going to Vegas June 27-30 and staying at MGM. Is the games there still pretty soft? Its been a couple of years since I've been.

Spike McAwesome
Jun 18, 2004

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luminalflux posted:

Edit: I've never really gambled either, should I start playing online poker to figure out how to play Texas Hold'Em or just not play poker at all while there?

Edit2: Recommend me some good microbrew bars since I'm sortof a beer nut and not totally into getting sloshed on bad beer or rum&coke-type drinks.

Vegas local/former tourist checking in.

Poker - Yes, it's fun. Yes, most places have lessons. Yes, it can be a great way to make some easy cash when you're playing against a drunk Texan with more money than brains. THAT SAID - 95% of Vegas poker players are the biggest cunts you will ever have the displeasure of sharing oxygen with. They'll bitch if you take too long to make a move. They'll bitch if you play the "wrong" cards. They'll bitch if the dealer keeps having to tell you when to put blinds out. They're worse than a PMS'ing divorced secretary that used to be smoking hot 40 years ago and now just looks like life has given up on her. Seriously, I absolutely loving hate them all.

I don't drink at all, but the pub at the Monte Carlo and the Triple 7 Restaurant at the Main Street Station downtown have fantastic microbrews. If you feel like spending a few bucks on a cab, the Ellis Island does microbrew beer and root beer, plus they have the best off-the-menu steak special anywhere.

deltat
Oct 15, 2004

MICROSOFT IS FUCKING ME AGAIN!

luminalflux posted:

What I'm asking is: how much of a pain is it going to be to get between MGM or Paris and Caesar's each morning/afternoon? Does it really matter where I stay? Which place has better rooms and breakfast?

Both have nice rooms. It will be a bit of a pain because the monorail is on the MGM side of the street and it drops off on the back side of the casino so you'll have to walk through the Flamingo and over Las Vegas Blvd.

Maybe look to find a place closer. Try Mirage, TI, Harrahs, Flamingo, etc.

luminalflux posted:

Edit: I've never really gambled either, should I start playing online poker to figure out how to play Texas Hold'Em or just not play poker at all while there?

There are plenty of low limit tables there. Look for $2/$4 limit hold-em. Plays a bit different than no-limit hold em but the concept is the same. If you're halfway decent, but not great (like me) it basically becomes a REALLY fun way to kill time playing all while drinking on the Casino's dime. Nearly every time I play low limit poker I walk away somewhere between down $50 and up $50 and I've sat at the tables for 4 hours and drank free booze the entire time!

Blackjack is probably easier, just print out the strategy table online, memorize it, and follow it to a T.

luminalflux posted:

Edit2: Recommend me some good microbrew bars since I'm sortof a beer nut and not totally into getting sloshed on bad beer or rum&coke-type drinks.

A bit off the strip, but next to Hard Rock Casino which is awesome - http://www.hofbrauhauslasvegas.com/
I think this is one of the better brewpubs in the casinos - http://www.montecarlo.com/restaurants/the-pub.aspx

luminalflux posted:

Fake edit: If I want to play golf but my handicap is 36 (just started playing really) are there any good courses around to play at where I won't get laughed at for being a sortof beginner? Will I suffer heatstroke and die if I try to play in August? I'm from Sweden so definitely not used to desert heat but man I love me some golf.

Sorry, I don't play golf. It will be loving hot, but it's a dry heat. :-P

AzCoug
Jun 10, 2010

luminalflux posted:

Going to Vegas for the first time first week of August for BlackHat/Defcon. My buds apparently want to stay at MGM Grand while the conference is at Caesar's. Their idea is to take the monorail but it looks like it stops hella far from Caesar's. I'm going to an event at Paris before BlackHat and probably staying there as well for a couple days.

MGM to Caesar's is doable if you don't mind a little bit of a walk. But MGM to Caesar's in August = CAB.

Paris to Caesar's would be okay to walk, but at that time of the year it's about as far as I'd want to go.

luminalflux
May 27, 2005



Thanks for the info guys!

deltat posted:

A bit off the strip, but next to Hard Rock Casino which is awesome - http://www.hofbrauhauslasvegas.com/
I think this is one of the better brewpubs in the casinos - http://www.montecarlo.com/restaurants/the-pub.aspx

Having been to the real thing I'll probably pass on Hofbräuhaus, but The Pub looks like it's right up our collective alley, thanks.

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raton
Jul 28, 2003

by FactsAreUseless
By the way the best Thai restaurant in North America (and therefore outside of Thailand) is in Vegas. Lotus of Siam is really one of Vegas's culinary powerhouses. I wrote a long rear end review of it in the archived General Vegas thread mentioned in the OP if anyone wants to fish it out and repost it in here for me. Unlike the rest of Vegas's dining stars Lotus is also very reasonably priced, though it is located in a strip mall instead of a casino.

raton fucked around with this message at 22:54 on Jun 21, 2011

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