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Trimson Grondag 3
Jul 1, 2007

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echinopsis posted:

seriously
you guys read a lot of fiction
please break down your day. like how many hours you spend a week reading fiction? where do you find time?

90 min total commute a day + audiobooks.

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Trimson Grondag 3
Jul 1, 2007

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Kirk posted:

owns
the culture series
black company series
red mars trilogy
dune
the forever war
foundation series (except Foundation & Earth)
the old conan books
eisenhorn
hyperion cantos
ursula le guin
canticle for leibowitz
rendevous with rama
sprawl trilogy
lord of light
the first five amber books
a fire upon the deep
stand on zanzibar
martian chronicles
the windup girl


collections of words by & for scrubs
cyclonopedia
dune prequels
wheel of time
95% of heinlein
rama sequels
the sixth and later amber books
terry goodkind

pls quote and expand this list, tia

Trimson Grondag 3
Jul 1, 2007

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Kirk posted:

The Windup Girl is a biopunk science fiction novel written by Paolo Bacigalupi

srsly

Its good, but coz it is contemporary scifi that doesn't involve space ships it has to be called x punk of some sort.

Trimson Grondag 3
Jul 1, 2007

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BUSINESS CATTE 2.0 posted:

event horizon either grabs you or it dont

if it dont it's particularly painful to watch

if it does it's fantastic

Saw it in a cinema aged 15 after my Dad lied about my aged to the ticket person (best dad) and it scared the gently caress out of me. There is a good age point where you can enjoy films with an adult premise but you don't look at it with a critical 'this is b grade schlock' eye.

Trimson Grondag 3
Jul 1, 2007

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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

unless you live in some kind of socialist momocracy or something

This.

Trimson Grondag 3
Jul 1, 2007

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Heresiarch posted:

Zelazny's tight prose is the polar opposite of most modern phonebook fantasy.

See also the Dying Earth.

Trimson Grondag 3
Jul 1, 2007

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BonzoESC posted:

i hate fans of a single thing

i mean, i like futurama but it ended and you know i was at peace with it ending and if the creators want to make something new that's good

no i don't want a futurama video game, especially one made by amateurs

no i don't want [NEW THING IN FUTURAMA UNIVERSE], why not make a new setting you uncreative fucks

People like this need to be forced to watch Simpsons season 12 nonstop onwards to 26 or whatever they are up to.

Trimson Grondag 3
Jul 1, 2007

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TOOT BOOT posted:

read that neal gaiman story about sherlock holmes in the cthulhu mythos universe

Jack Kerouac in the Cthulhu Mythos universe:

http://www.moveunderground.org/

Trimson Grondag 3
Jul 1, 2007

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PCjr sidecar posted:

sounds like gary mitchell, but going to be khan (if i set the bar low then ill be pleasantly surprised right?)

Sounds like space parasite things from Conspiracy

Trimson Grondag 3
Jul 1, 2007

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Heresiarch posted:

some kind of mirror universe phillip k dick thing going on here

before that he was a sci fi replicators will make us free libertarian, who knows what the gently caress

Trimson Grondag 3
Jul 1, 2007

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ol qwerty bastard posted:

Let's make a list of sci-fi authors who have decent views and aren't homophobes or racists or libertarians or other horrible things.

-Iain Banks

-Kim Stanley Robinson

-(I'm sure there are more; let's keep 'em coming)

Most of the uk sci fi authors (banks, stross, ken Macleod, Peter f Hamilton maybe except with a juvenile interest in sex) seem to be unambiguous socialists.

Trimson Grondag 3
Jul 1, 2007

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actually now I think about it all Peter f Hamiltons books have racially segregated colonies because people couldn't figure out how to get along so maybe not so much on the decent views

Trimson Grondag 3
Jul 1, 2007

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is anything else Jack Vance wrote as good as his Dying Earth stuff?

Trimson Grondag 3
Jul 1, 2007

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Amethyst posted:

agreed.

i don't recommend the amber books though

Not even the first ones?

Trimson Grondag 3
Jul 1, 2007

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MindSet posted:

My new job has a gym so after work im gonna be gettin swole. but weightlifting is boring so what are some yospos approved scifi audiobooks? last thing i had time to read (i have to read like 1000+ pgs a month for school so i havent had time to read for fun :smith:) was startide rising and a couple culture books and i highly enjoyed them.

Dune has a really good full cast audio production.

Trimson Grondag 3
Jul 1, 2007

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also the dying earth audiobooks are really great, the lyrical style of the dialogue lends itself really well to spoken word

Trimson Grondag 3
Jul 1, 2007

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the earth is attacked by aliens so sensitive to water that it acts like an acid to them. they find water floating in the air is gaseous form, lying in large pools on the surface and precipitating into the air. they leave promptly.

Trimson Grondag 3
Jul 1, 2007

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USSMICHELLEBACHMAN posted:

human race finally invents immortality serum. unfortunately, due to constant advances in early childhood education and genetic modification, humans older than 200 years are viewed as hopelessly idiotic by modern standards.


Dead Inside Darwin posted:

that


would be a really good story actually

it is -

http://will.tip.dhappy.org/blog/Compression%20Trees/.../book/by/Tom%20Purdom/Fossil%20Games/Tom%20Purdom%20-%20Fossil%20Games.html

mostly not about the left over people interacting with a society they can no longer understand but that's the starting premise

Trimson Grondag 3
Jul 1, 2007

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USSMICHELLEBACHMAN posted:

brave new world was more like a commentary on what an actual 'utopia' would necessarily have to be

which i guess is kind of what dystopia is but idk

most utopias don't try to address the main challenge of a utopia which is that you need to eliminate 90% of the existing population (with all their hosed up beliefs etc) to get there, BNW at least tries to show the mechanism

Trimson Grondag 3
Jul 1, 2007

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mars trilogy is good for actually showing the mechanism of creating a better society as well.

Trimson Grondag 3
Jul 1, 2007

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good article, I like it when someone way more articulate than me can explain my point of view on my behalf

Trimson Grondag 3
Jul 1, 2007

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que?

Trimson Grondag 3
Jul 1, 2007

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FMguru posted:

not as good. green has a pretty cool twist near the end, but only after 200 pages of people arguing politics and writing the martian constitution. blue is mostly politics (ho hum). theres also a book of short stories set at various points in the novels. all are worth reading but red is the best of the bunch.

the Mars books are social scifi - politics is the point of them. the characterisation is just as strong in the sequels, and you still get the sense of awe at the landscape. i can understand that some people might get bored with the constitution stuff but I don't think you can argue that red mars sets up the sequels and then they go off a different way

Trimson Grondag 3
Jul 1, 2007

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ol qwerty bastard posted:

I read the Mars Trilogy when I was 14 and it probably helped shape my current political beliefs in a pretty big way.

Thank god I didn't pick up an Ayn Rand book.

yeah it led to me being insufferable in yr11 politics but as you say it coulda been heinlein

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Jul 1, 2007

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MindSet posted:

I think one of the best parts about the mars series is Sax finally gettin' it on with Ann :riker:

end of blue mars makes me cry like a big girl

Trimson Grondag 3
Jul 1, 2007

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Opinion Haver posted:

what are stross's politics, standard techno-utopia singularitarian?

http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2013/12/why-i-want-bitcoin-to-die-in-a.html

he is from the strong tradition of socialist english sci fi writers

Trimson Grondag 3
Jul 1, 2007

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axolotl farmer posted:

lol Lucasfilm is ditching the entire expanded universe for the Star Wars sequels

millions of nerds suddenly cried out in terror, and were suddenly silenced


http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/01/op-ed-disney-takes-a-chainsaw-to-the-star-wars-expanded-universe/

I like the people saying that 'Well they have to make it 20 or 30 years after the main films because the actors are all too old so that keeps whatever dumb poo poo I like safe right' as if it is completely outside the realm of debate that they are just going to recast everyone

Trimson Grondag 3
Jul 1, 2007

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also if you go back and read thrawn its not actually good - its just 'better'

Trimson Grondag 3
Jul 1, 2007

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DiggityDoink posted:

just finished blue mars. def one of the best series ive read and probably won't shut the gently caress about it with friends until they read it.

other than robinson's other books, what else similar to this should i read?

glad you read it dude, i loving love those books. the ending is just the best feeling of "well poo poo, we are here, its never going to be perfect, our dream constitution still ended up putting the same power gatherers in power and chances are we will have to go through this bullshit again but things are measurably better and i didnt just die from quick decline and really what else can you ask for". i think thats why it had such a big emotional effect on me, endings are hard and i couldnt think of another way of close it out.

Trimson Grondag 3
Jul 1, 2007

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you know when they were drafting this there was a storyboard somewhere with a bunch of pictures of actor's chins

Trimson Grondag 3
Jul 1, 2007

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transfatphobic posted:

need a show to start watching with my girlfriend

already watched all the treks, all stargate, havent finished farscape but will soon

i tried to push for x-files/twin peaks but she wasnt interested

pls halp

ladies love gaius baltar

Trimson Grondag 3
Jul 1, 2007

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axolotl farmer posted:

Fringe is really good, but it doesn't really get going until they ditch the whole 'the pattern' plot.

and once anna torv gets better at acting in season 2 and 3 (which she actually does, but season 1 is a bit painful)

Trimson Grondag 3
Jul 1, 2007

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S1 of BSG is arguably the strongest

Trimson Grondag 3
Jul 1, 2007

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Gus Hobbleton posted:

arguably its the only season worth watching

also i want to talk about bsg some more so that one guy can bitch about the fact that religion exists in his utopia sci fi because EUPHORIC HEY CHECK OUT MY FEDORA

alright lets do it.

Ep 1 - "God has a plan and is orchestrating events"

Last Ep - It turned out god had plan and orchestrated events

discuss

Trimson Grondag 3
Jul 1, 2007

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Shaggar posted:

gods plan was loving dumb and poorly written

well yeah it wasn't written at all when they started the show because they hadn't written past season 1 or whatever. it was shittily (shittely? shitely?) written is pretty true but also true of most big narrative arc sci fi on tv

Trimson Grondag 3
Jul 1, 2007

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i don't want to have to defend bsg writing on the basis that everything else is rubbish but you have to consider the format - they didn't know how long they were running, they didnt know if it would be a 1 or 2 or 7 series show. they could write the whole thing but then they end up being slaves to canon in the worst wookipedia 'everything in significant, nothing is just because the writer decided it was a good idea that week' way.

Trimson Grondag 3
Jul 1, 2007

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Trig Discipline posted:

i really, really liked bsg for the first 2.5 seasons (up through the new caprica arc), but the more we learned about the cylons and The Plan the more apathetic i became. bsg worked really great as a drama about humankind getting absolutely crushed by a hostile and superior force and desperately trying to stay alive, and that's a fundamentally more interesting show than whatever dumbass midichlorianesque mythology ron moore shits out

you're right and it becomes the cylons having cylon coffee in the cylon cafe



but its like any suspense driven entertainment - you have to show the shark eventually

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Jul 1, 2007

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Notorious b.s.d. posted:

this is total complete horseshit. you either do not believe this, or you are a moron.

  • the format did not require the (PLANNED!) end of the series to be "god did it"

  • the format did not force them to kill a major character, and then bring her back from the dead on the basis "god did it"

  • the format did not require angels at any point

ronald d. moore is a religious fanatic, and the very moment he had carte blanche from his bosses to do a scifi drama, it became his mormon exegesis. you can blame the crappiness of the resulting tale on mormonism or moore himself, i give no fucks. all i care about is that it was lovely. it sucked. it was bad. it was lazy storytelling and the allegories were so trite as to beggar belief

i enjoy allegory. i enjoy christian allegory. i would even find things to enjoy about mormon allegory. but bsg is still terrible. it's lazy bullshit for sad children

yeah i'm not trying to shift blame for the god/angels stuff onto the format. for me the inclusion of that stuff was not out of context for the show given the way it started and the 13 tribes allegory. i think the format needs to be considered when you look at the way it dragged with season 3 and 4, and the some of the execution the allegory. there is plenty of poo poo that could have been cut out to tighten it up (plague probe, centurion liberation) if they were working to a fixed schedule known in advance.

i just can't get that mad at the show i guess. it had a pretty obvious religious allegory with inconsistent execution, trailed off in the back half and some really dumb moments against mostly good acting, some interesting story arcs, good pew pew, and some good tension in the first two seasons at least?

the starbuck thing was just loving dumb

Trimson Grondag 3
Jul 1, 2007

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they are still talking about the re-reboot bsg feature film so you might get your wish

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Trimson Grondag 3
Jul 1, 2007

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read wool, got to the third book and put it down. i know self publishing is the new poo poo but working with an editor will vastly improve your work mr internet author man.

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