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Stringent posted:it's so nice to watch a film adaptation where the director has actually read and enjoyed the book. I love David Lynch and Dune but that movie was bad. why did he make the weirding way into a stupid sound weapon?
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z0ratio fartboner posted:
agreed. Also I would kill to Jodorowsky's version of dune. The emperor has a robot twin, melange is a blue sponge full of microscopic life which reflects the rest of the universe and Duke leto is a eunuch. The movie ended with Paul getting his throat cut, his mother and all of the fremen speaking in his voice simultaneously while all melange of the planet transmutes into rainbow coloured consciousness and explodes the planet into columns of light. Also, Baron Harkonnen looks like this  Feyd Rautha looks like this  and Piter de'vries looks like this  Check it out, would have been completely insane http://www.duneinfo.com/unseen/ Amethyst fucked around with this message at 02:25 on Jun 24, 2011 |
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Jun 24, 2011 02:23
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upon further reflection Dune is the best sci-fi universe ever created
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Lamont Cranston posted:
that owns. Dune is probably unfilmable though. You would need to dedicate too much screen time to expository infodumps about the landsraad and CHOAM and melange and the bene gesserit and the guild so that anyone who hasn't read the book has the slightest idea of what is going on.
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Do you guys like the dune sequels? I think it gets a bit too much into the zen philosophy, Hayt is a boring character. those books written by his son are abominable.
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haveblue posted:foundation owns
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nah the mule was cool
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Dune isn't completely unfilmable, but to film it in a way that actually captures the thing that made the book so great would be really hard I think. For instance, how do explain why Paul and Jessica fit the fremen religious prophecy? For that one plot point not to come across as a the boring and confusing "paul is literally the messiah", you need to know about a) the bene gesserit's breeding program b) the missionaria protectiva arm of the bene gesserit that plants messanic myths throughout the universe to protect the result of this breeding program. Now, how the poo poo do you film that? Dialogue? Flashback? Subtle insinuation? The first two are terrible, and the third too difficult to get to the audience who haven't read the book. There are a million parts like this. Why is Leto walking straight into an obvious trap? WTF is so great about the melange? Why arn't there any computers or guns? I guess what I'm saying is that without the spergy details, dune isn't a great story.
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Kirk, be warned that the sequels, even the Frank Herbert ones, are significantly worse than the original novel.
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Jun 27, 2011 14:17
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graph posted:one of the producers i follow just posted this up  also re:solaris I saw the george cloony movie then saw the tarkovsky version then read the book. pretty cool sci-fi fable. the kind of thing you would describe as "like staring into a hoary mirror, reflecting ourselves as individuals and as species"
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axolotl farmer posted:American 70s sci-fi is pretty great too. can't get enough groovy interiors without straight angles anywhere or ladies in tight jumpsuits with awesome hair and pointy tits Haha, logan's run is hilariously terrible in every way. PLANKTON. FISH. AND PROTEIN FROM THE SEA.
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Pram posted:uhh the box scene was confusing and nonsensical, but logans run was good otherwise No. Bad acting, lovely effects, even for the time, dated production design, good premise ruined by lovely execution. THERE IS NO SANCTUARY ALLLL FROOOOZEN
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Pram posted:barbarella owns too This I do agree with. Great artifact from the sexual revolution, comedy still largely holds up today.
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The style and effects in logan's run are pretty inexcusable considering it was made 9 years after 2001: A Space Odyssey and a year before star wars. apart from that the script has terrible dialogue and the last third of the film makes no sense
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Jun 28, 2011 02:41
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THX 1138 was better than logan's run
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Jun 28, 2011 02:43
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ugh, this thread is getting sticky. Time to bust out the transhumanism Where we're going, we won't need sex.
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arioch posted:best argument against transhumanism/singularity/whatever enjoy your antiquated meatspace, proletarian luddite
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Jun 28, 2011 06:25
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I literally cannot watch a female on television without evaluating, ranking her body
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axolotl farmer posted:Alfred Bester
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has anyone in this thread read Greg Egan or Peter Watts?
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axolotl farmer posted:Kurt Vonnegut wrote rules for writing stories. this is the one that Asimov fails: Vonnegut's rules are indeed very good, but I think people misinterpret them if they think every story should be written according to them. They are excellent rules for writing existential humanist literature. Foundation is great because of it's mind blowing ideas and scope. The brevity of the books and fleeting nature of the characters contribute to this. Applying Vonnegut's rules in this case would actually detract from those books.
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boingthump posted:I read Watts' "Blindsight". i really enjoyed it but it was so over my head a points. i had to read it 2x before i really got the ending. Yeah Watts is an extreme pessimist. If you liked the ideas you should check out Egan, it's similarly hard but a little bit more optimistic.
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mr_jim posted:as far as hard sci-fi with crappy characterization goes, i liked Dragon's Egg, by Robert Forward. the premise is that humans investigate a neutron star, and find life evolving on the surface. it's a neat idea, and the plot is ok, but the characters don't matter at all. This book blew my mind when I was like 14. The idea of tiny little flat slug like creatures having an extensive cultural history in the span of a few days on the surface of a dense neutron star was insane. There are long stretches that read exactly like an astronomy textbook though.
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Jun 29, 2011 02:53
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I stopped watching around the time when starbuck went through a whole stupid adventure to get a loving arrow.
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Jun 29, 2011 14:36
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has anyone actually read lensman? It's the kind of series you hear about all the time as incredibly influential but I've never actually seen a copy.
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rotor posted:yeah here u go cool, thanks
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Jun 30, 2011 02:59
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Asimov magazine is still published. Wonder if it's any good.
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Avery Brooks is a bad actor. His vocal quirks are funnier than William Shatner's in TOS DS9 was still great though
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z0ratio fartboner posted:i'm reading fire and ice before i watch game of thrones and RR Martin is not a very good author Give up early. I stuck around till book 3 and it never gets good.
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the last fantasy book I read was like 12 years ago. Mordant's Need by Stephen Donaldson. It was pretty good actually so I got that thomas convenant book and it turned out to be about a rapist sperg traveling to a fantasy world. I didn't finish that one.
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Jul 8, 2011 05:23
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everyone post how many wheel of time books they made it through. 4
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quote:Berek Heartthew's son was Damelon Giantfriend, and his son was Loric Vilesilencer, who stemmed the corruption of the Demondim, rendering them impotent An actual sentence from thomas covenant. I'm struggling to remember any fantasy novels besides tolkein that are good. Those robin hobb assassin books are painful to remember. Characters had names like "Fitzchivalry" Amethyst fucked around with this message at 05:36 on Jul 8, 2011 |
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:holy poo poo dude i barely made it through the first one yeah I was pretty young and dumb. After finishing the Belgariad and (wrongly) thinking it was the best thing ever I was briefly convinced that multiple book fantasy series were the only things worth reading. Also I had a few friends who were obsessed with wot, to this day I still don't understand the attraction
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Open up a george R.R Martin or Robert Jordan to a random page and I guarantee there is a description of either a)sandalwood carvings b)lobstered metal hauberks c)a road good god those books are boring. I finished Lord of light not long ago and it was really good.
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coaxmetal posted:Anyone else like Tad Williams Otherland series? I enjoyed them but they were very slow. That's kind of his thing though, if the other series of his I have read (and enjoyed), Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn is any indication.
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Jul 11, 2011 10:25
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hey the new planet of the apes movie actually looks pretty good
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Inverse Icarus posted:fantastic loving books. buddy in college kicked them all to me and i ate them up. I really liked the first one, but didn't bother finishing the second book. I just hated how he changed the structure to a typical stephen king style character per chapter shuffle, and how the pace slowed down to a plod. Also having keats as the main character was just dumb.
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Coffee Quack posted:im tempted to pick up a kindle I'm just not sure how different it will be to use and read than books/manuals in all the little ways you don't think about. There are advantages and disadvantages, same as any different format. Text search, built in dictionary and portable library are the obvious advantages, are are totally worth it. It won't completely stop you from reading normal books.
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you turds don't want to see planet of the apes but will excitedly post about astroturf meme-fodder Cowboys and Aliens?
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