Early FPS Megathread: the kids need to learn about TekWar sooner or later

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Shadow Hog: Feb 23, 2014; Avatar by Jon Davies

Why is "Score/Level/Lives" even a row in the chart if it's ticked for every column? Isn't the point of a chart like this to distinguish differences between all the versions, not highlight that something's in all of 'em?

# ? Sep 21, 2014 23:55

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# ? Apr 27, 2024 05:02

Nintendo Kid: Aug 4, 2011; by Smythe

Shadow Hog posted:

Why is "Score/Level/Lives" even a row in the chart if it's ticked for every column? Isn't the point of a chart like this to distinguish differences between all the versions, not highlight that something's in all of 'em?

I think it used to include a lot more platforms, some of which didn't display them.

# ? Sep 22, 2014 00:00

closeted republican: Sep 9, 2005

According to that chart, there's a PC-98 version of Wolf3D. I never knew that. :aaa:

# ? Sep 22, 2014 00:04

JLaw: Feb 10, 2008; - harmless -

Elliotw2 posted:

I'd assume he's talking more about the fact that Doom/Doom2/Quake are limited to only being downloaded on Windows, despite the fact that everyone just uses a source port for these games.

That's annoying, but I understand that there would be many problems for id/Zenimax "blessing" and distributing a particular sourceport.

On the other hand, they're currently distributing Doom in a DOSBox setup, and they could do that in OS X and Linux. The reason they aren't is probably the same reason that (for example) they don't have Steam trading cards for Doom/Quake, didn't put Quake on sale during the last QuakeCon, and don't distribute the Quake soundtrack with the game on Steam... it's an old part of their back catalog that they're not putting any effort into maintaining.

# ? Sep 22, 2014 00:10

Rupert Buttermilk: Apr 15, 2007; 🚣RowboatMan: ❄️Freezing time🕰️ is an old P.I. 🥧trick...

Ah, the ol' "don't give a gently caress" routine.

Well, I'm sad, but Brutal Doom makes me happy.

# ? Sep 22, 2014 00:16

Woolie Wool: Jun 2, 2006

I just finished making the final map of Operation Serpent today! :toot:

Now I just have to wait on Bashe and Shane Strife to finish the soundtrack, and it will be done.

# ? Sep 22, 2014 00:47

Shadow Hog: Feb 23, 2014; Avatar by Jon Davies

Oh hey, I recognize Shane's name. I think she helped us with SRB2's music to some extent (I cannot remember what, although I do recall her remixing most of the soundtrack at some point).

# ? Sep 22, 2014 01:15

Woolie Wool: Jun 2, 2006

I'm pretty sure Shane is not a she.

He and Bashe are co-composers, and Shane takes the composed midis and records them with real guitars and the like to create the ogg music.

So far the music status:

Title: Shane (completed and recorded)
Menu: Not started
Read This: Not started (will likely be written by Bashe)
Ending: Not started (will likely be written by Shane)
MAP01: Bashe (completed and recorded)
MAP02: Shane (written, not recorded)
MAP03: Pip Malt (taken with permission from an s3m module he made and re-arranged by Shane, completed and recorded)
MAP04: Bashe (written, not recorded)
MAP05: Bashe (completed and recorded)
MAP06: Bashe (completed and recorded)
MAP07: Shane (being rewritten due to sounding a little too much like "Banish from Sanctuary" by Blind Guardian)

# ? Sep 22, 2014 01:38

Shadow Hog: Feb 23, 2014; Avatar by Jon Davies

Well, my mistake. I can never really tell, tbh... :blush:

# ? Sep 22, 2014 01:44

Zeether: Aug 26, 2011

closeted republican posted:

According to that chart, there's a PC-98 version of Wolf3D. I never knew that.

Doom II has a PC-98 port too! Not sure how many people in Japan were interested in either but it's cool that they came out there.

# ? Sep 22, 2014 02:43

The Kins: Oct 2, 2004

closeted republican posted:

According to that chart, there's a PC-98 version of Wolf3D. I never knew that.

Non-English versions of Id games are very rare, it seems. Romero says there were also Espanol and Taiwanese localizations of Wolf3D, but they're seemingly very rare. The Wolf3D source code has all the Espanol stuff present.

There was a French version of Doom 2! Which is unexpected.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0cGEgBDUxs

Quake was untranslatable because all the map text ("This hall selects EASY skill" etc.) was compiled into the maps themselves. :haw:

# ? Sep 22, 2014 03:30

Linguica: Jul 13, 2000; You're already dead

The Kins posted:

There was a French version of Doom 2! Which is unexpected.

It's not that strange, considering it's the only foreign language included in the source code release

quote:

APRES AVOIR VAINCU LES GROS MECHANTS
ET NETTOYE LA BASE LUNAIRE, VOUS AVEZ
GAGNE, NON? PAS VRAI? OU EST DONC VOTRE
RECOMPENSE ET VOTRE BILLET DE
RETOUR? QU'EST-QUE CA VEUT DIRE? CE
N'EST PAS LA FIN ESPEREE!

CA SENT LA VIANDE PUTREFIEE, MAIS
ON DIRAIT LA BASE DEIMOS. VOUS ETES
APPAREMMENT BLOQUE AUX PORTES DE L'ENFER.
LA SEULE ISSUE EST DE L'AUTRE COTE.

POUR VIVRE LA SUITE DE DOOM, JOUEZ
A 'AUX PORTES DE L'ENFER' ET A
L'EPISODE SUIVANT, 'L'ENFER'!

# ? Sep 22, 2014 03:52

RyokoTK: Feb 12, 2012; I am cool.

The Kins posted:

Quake was untranslatable because all the map text ("This hall selects EASY skill" etc.) was compiled into the maps themselves.

Those poor Latinos and Japanese were missing out on quite a lot, too. :rolleyes:

# ? Sep 22, 2014 04:47

Cream-of-Plenty: Apr 21, 2010; "The world is a hellish place, and bad writing is destroying the quality of our suffering."

*Throws the mouse while playing Doom* (In Spanish): "This is intolerable! I don't have any idea what is going on right now!"

# ? Sep 22, 2014 08:50

Segmentation Fault: Jun 7, 2012

Quake Live chat: The Heavy Machinegun is completely broken.

It does 8 damage a shot at a similar firing rate to the Machinegun and the Lightning Gun. The HMG's spread is negligible at close and medium range, and at long range you're better off engaging with an RG or not at all. The MG does 5 damage and the LG does 6 (IIRC). HMG just melts people.

I played a couple of rounds of TDM a little while ago using almost exclusively the HMG, and ended up getting a score of 47 with a net of around 30 (basically, a KDR if 4.7). Normally my KDR's lower than that due to my hyper-aggressive playstyle.

Anyway Quake Live is still great fun and it's still, at its heart, Quake. They also removed the video ad interludes. Indeed all in-game advertising is gone, even the billboards, which is something I kind of miss honestly. If the game is meant to be about spectator bloodsport, it would make sense to have advertisements and sponsors on the walls and such. Even some fictional ads or ads for Bethesda games like Wolf: TNO or The Evil Within would be neat.

# ? Sep 22, 2014 12:26

ToxicFrog: Apr 26, 2008

mod sassinator posted:

Is it me or are people just getting audio for the game and very, very, very quiet audio of I think one of the devs talking? These guys should have tested their setup before doing this because it's a bit of a disaster.

They did eventually get it sorted out (and they claimed that it worked in the test they did the previous day, too). In its final form there was quite audible developer commentary and the game music softly in the background. Game voices and sound effects had to be disabled entirely, though.

Technical wobbles aside, the stream was actually loads of fun. Lots of cool chatter from the devs and the text chat was surprisingly informative as well. It was also kind of funny seeing them remember things like who placed what enemies where or where the hidden stashes on deck 2 are, but not how to operate the log reader or whether you need a radiation suit to power up the shields or not.

I had to bail around when they reached deck 3, but it looks like the stream kept going for a few hours after that and I'll probably download and watch the rest at some point.

# ? Sep 22, 2014 13:37

closeted republican: Sep 9, 2005

Sounds like the HMG will be a replacement for the LG at mid-range and be useful for close range work in case of an emergency.

# ? Sep 22, 2014 13:43

Woolie Wool: Jun 2, 2006

The LG didn't need replacing. Why nerf a weapon to death just to replace it with a weapon that does the same thing, but more boring?

# ? Sep 22, 2014 14:39

closeted republican: Sep 9, 2005

Woolie Wool posted:

The LG didn't need replacing. Why nerf a weapon to death just to replace it with a weapon that does the same thing, but more boring?

Because the QL devs are kinda stupid.

# ? Sep 22, 2014 14:42

Karasu Tengu: Feb 16, 2011; Humble Tengu Newspaper Reporter

It's nice that the MG isn't completely loving useless so you aren't defenseless at spawn anymore, but that sounds like it went too far.

# ? Sep 22, 2014 14:56

Woolie Wool: Jun 2, 2006

Is there a Roland SC-88 soundfont? I heard a rendition of Grabbag on a real SC-88 and it sounds better than on the SC-55.

# ? Sep 22, 2014 15:43

Rupert Buttermilk: Apr 15, 2007; 🚣RowboatMan: ❄️Freezing time🕰️ is an old P.I. 🥧trick...

Woolie Wool posted:

Is there a Roland SC-88 soundfont? I heard a rendition of Grabbag on a real SC-88 and it sounds better than on the SC-55.

If you check out the Steam guides for DN3D:Megaton Edition, I think there's a guide or a link to get it, or at least a better sounding version.

# ? Sep 22, 2014 16:24

Linguica: Jul 13, 2000; You're already dead

Woolie Wool posted:

The LG didn't need replacing. Why nerf a weapon to death just to replace it with a weapon that does the same thing, but more boring?

Because there are people being paid to maintain Quake Live and they feel the need to justify their existence.

Segmentation Fault posted:

Indeed all in-game advertising is gone, even the billboards, which is something I kind of miss honestly. If the game is meant to be about spectator bloodsport, it would make sense to have advertisements and sponsors on the walls and such. Even some fictional ads or ads for Bethesda games like Wolf: TNO or The Evil Within would be neat.

Haha really? "You know what this game needs? More advertising."

# ? Sep 22, 2014 16:30

Segmentation Fault: Jun 7, 2012

Linguica posted:

Haha really? "You know what this game needs? More advertising."

Honestly? I love the concept of bloodsport becoming a spectator sport (in the context of video game settings that is), and having advertisements around the arenas would help sell that concept. So yes. I want more in-game advertising in Quake Live, because it helps make the game's setting actually feel like what it's meant to be. Look at Monday Night Combat. There's plenty of advertisements for fictional products there. You see similar things in a couple of UT maps.

I'm just saying, it's a neat concept within the context of a spectator sport setting. In-game advertising in other games, like Alan Wake and Battlefield 2142, was awful. The video ads Quake Live made you watch between matches a while back were awful too, and Pinion on TF2 servers is the devil incarnate.

What I want isn't in-game advertising when it disrupts gameplay or when it sticks out like a sore thumb. What I want is more believable, more immersive settings, and ads in Quake Live and Monday Night Combat and Unreal Tournament felt like a natural fit. Even if it's just fictional ads or ads for Bethesda products, it'd still be cool.

# ? Sep 22, 2014 17:03

koren: Sep 7, 2003

Okay, you can stop posting about quake now.

# ? Sep 22, 2014 17:15

RyokoTK: Feb 12, 2012; I am cool.

Korendian Leader posted:

Okay, you can stop posting about quake now.

Yeah, how dare people post about Early FPS games in the Early FPS thread? Shut up.

# ? Sep 22, 2014 17:32

Segmentation Fault: Jun 7, 2012

Korendian Leader posted:

Okay, you can stop posting about quake now.

gently caress you, here's another post.

Anyone check out the IKBlue/IKWhite Map Jam pack for Quake 1? The Wizard theme and derivatives is my favorite theme for Quake because it feels very Quake-y while moving away from the brown-grey that dominates the Quake palette in other themes. The map jam itself has many different themes going on, from a lava level serving up gobs of red to an Arabian-style courtyard colored in warm sunlight, to downright cold winter-themed maps.

# ? Sep 22, 2014 17:51

Zedsdeadbaby: Jun 14, 2008; You have been called out, in the ways of old.

Korendian Leader posted:

Okay, you can stop posting about quake now.

Piss off

# ? Sep 22, 2014 18:04

Cream-of-Plenty: Apr 21, 2010; "The world is a hellish place, and bad writing is destroying the quality of our suffering."

This is now a thread about Alan Wake.

I hated Alan Wake.

# ? Sep 22, 2014 18:06

Arivia: Mar 17, 2011

Cream-of-Plenty posted:

This is now a thread about Alan Wake.

I hated Alan Wake.

Can we talk about Max Payne instead? WAY better and also on topic! I need to play MP3 sometime.

# ? Sep 22, 2014 18:10

Cerepol: Dec 2, 2011

I got through a fair bit of it, the gunplay felt tacked on and unneccesary, why was it there at all? Would have been better if they streamlined it to just light based combat instead of also firearms.

# ? Sep 22, 2014 18:11