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Linguica: Jul 13, 2000; You're already dead

I asked the programmer and apparently that was just a mockup shot to try and get more funding from investors

# ? May 27, 2015 23:54

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# ? May 14, 2024 08:43

Keiya: Aug 22, 2009; Come with me if you want to not die.

Casimir Radon posted:

The 3DO port is apparently the absolute worst one, so this would have at least given it something to offer. The FMV craze made for some interesting material.

It already has a pretty kickass soundtrack! ... because Rebecca "Burger" Heineman was lied to about the state the game was in when she was hired, had to do the entire thing in a month and a half, and convinced them to throw money at a recorded soundtrack so she just had to use the streaming audio functionality of the 3DO.

# ? May 28, 2015 01:55

Segmentation Fault: Jun 7, 2012

Burger Bill kept a wrapped up hamburger in their desk and would take bites out of it over months.

# ? May 28, 2015 03:23

scroton_: Nov 12, 2014; Can't post for 6 days!

Shadow Hog posted:

God, I wish information like "what coordinates are my target at" or "what is the name of the texture under my feet" wasn't relegated to "Wait For DoomScript" when I'm not as yet convinced DoomScript will ever happen...)

This can be currently done in ACS.

# ? May 28, 2015 03:40

PaletteSwappedNinja: Jun 3, 2008; One Nation, Under God.

Now's a good a time as any to post Carmack's old comments re: 3DO/Jaguar:

quote:

Feel free to quote this.

We have a few reasons for not developing on the 3DO, but
development machine bigotry isn't one of them. I used an apple IIGS
for snes development (I am never, EVER, going to work with nintendo
again), and I am suffering with an atari falcon for Jaguar work
until I can port the tools to NEXTSTEP. I wouldn't turn away a mac
based environment.

The biggest reason is that I doubt that 3DO is going to become a
huge success. $750 is way out of line for a pure entertainment
machine. Was the NEO-GEO a success two years ago? We bought one,
but we don't know anoyone else that did. I doubt there will be all
that many units sold.

To make matters worse, there are over one hundred third party
licensees suposedly developing on 3DO. If there were only a couple
companies developing for it, they might make money. I predict there
is going to be some serious lossage going on in the 3DO developer
community.

The other major argument is somewhat philosphical. I don't like
what people expect out of CD games. Does anyone think that the
cheeseball dialog in crash and burn is a GOOD addition? It turns my
stomach. People expect CD games to have tons of digitized speech
and video, and the 3DO is going to be strongly associated with it.
The joke here is that if we ever do a CD version of DOOM, you are
going to get the game and "The Making of DOOM" a one hour feature
film. Companies spend hundreds of thousands of dollars putting all
this media into their games, and it often actually detracts from
it. We don't want to be part of this crowd.

I would rather cut down to the essentials and fit on a cartridge
than uselessly bulk up on a CD. I have a minimallist sense of
aesthetics in game design.

Many developers are planning on waiting out the eary 32 bit
hardware wars, but I want to do a cool product even if it doesn't
make tons of money. Sandy (our map designer) semi-derisively calls
DOOM jaguar my "reward" for writing DOOM pc. "Good job, you can go
play with your new toys." :-)

Our initial appraisal of the Jaguar was "nice system, but Atari
probably can't make it a success". But when I got the technical
documentation, I was VERY impressed. This is the system I want to
see become a standard platform.

I was slated to do a cut down version of DOOM for the super
nintendo SFX chip, but I kept thinking about how cool a jaguar
version of DOOM would be, and nintendo kept rejecting
wolfenstein-snes for b*****t reasons (a golden cross bonus item
might offend christians. right.).

We finaly decided that we didn't want to be a part of the
chicken-and-the-egg problem of new systems not attracting customers
because developers haven't written for the platform because there
are no customers. The jag is cool, I think it has a shot at
success, and I am going to put my time where my mouth is.

Why the jag is cooler than the 3DO (from my point of view): It
only costs $250. The bulk of its processing power is user
programmable. The 3DO has a capable main processor (a couple times
better than the weak 68k in the jag), but most of its power is in
custom hardware that has narrow functionality for affine
transformations. The jag has some stupid hardware for z buffering
and gouraud shading, but I can just ignore it and tell the two
27mhz risc chips to do EXACTLY what I want. A 64 bit bus with
multiple independant processors may not be the easiest thing to
optimize for, but there is a LOT of potential.

There will probably be a version of DOOM for 3DO. We are talking
with a few companies about licensing out the port. It would be kind
of fun to do it here, but I am eager to get to work on the next
generation game engine that will make DOOM look puny...

# ? May 28, 2015 03:45

abagofcheetos: Oct 29, 2003; by FactsAreUseless

quote:

The joke here is that if we ever do a CD version of DOOM, you are
going to get the game and "The Making of DOOM" a one hour feature
film.

........
.....

......

I am ok with this!!!!!

# ? May 28, 2015 03:53

Whale Cancer: Jun 25, 2004

I want to get back into doom. Brutal doom v20 looks interesting. Which version of doom should I buy? II, final or ultimate?

# ? May 28, 2015 04:50

Linguica: Jul 13, 2000; You're already dead

Doom 2 is what 95% of custom content is designed for.

# ? May 28, 2015 04:58

Cialis Railman: Apr 20, 2007

Whale Cancer posted:

I want to get back into doom. Brutal doom v20 looks interesting. Which version of doom should I buy? II, final or ultimate?

You can get them all on steam for $15, so why not just get them all?

# ? May 28, 2015 05:13

Copper Vein: Mar 14, 2007; ...and we liked it that way.

PaletteSwappedNinja posted:

Now's a good a time as any to post Carmack's old comments re: 3DO/Jaguar:

Thanks for posting this. Have you ever come across any other of Carmack's musings about Jag-Doom, particularly anything he had to say about the multiplayer feature? I bought everything I needed for 2-player Jag-Doom years ago, but everytime I get stupid enough to get it all out and try it again the connection only holds up until E1M3 and then it just desyncs within a minute. Each of my Jaguars and Doom carts are solid on their own, so I think it's just the multiplayer function being lovely. The manual of Jag-Doom pretty much tells you to not get your hopes up about it.

# ? May 28, 2015 05:59

PaletteSwappedNinja: Jun 3, 2008; One Nation, Under God.

Copper Vein posted:

Thanks for posting this. Have you ever come across any other of Carmack's musings about Jag-Doom, particularly anything he had to say about the multiplayer feature? I bought everything I needed for 2-player Jag-Doom years ago, but everytime I get stupid enough to get it all out and try it again the connection only holds up until E1M3 and then it just desyncs within a minute. Each of my Jaguars and Doom carts are solid on their own, so I think it's just the multiplayer function being lovely. The manual of Jag-Doom pretty much tells you to not get your hopes up about it.

From what I recall, the multiplayer was a super last-minute thing because Atari was slow about sending them hardware. Jag Wolf only happened because id couldn't hit the deadline Atari gave them for Doom so they gave them Wolf as a way to stall for more time.

A little googling brought up these comments from 2000: http://floodyberry.com/carmack/slashdot.html#s20000302x143023

# ? May 28, 2015 06:35

Shadow Hog: Feb 23, 2014; Avatar by Jon Davies

scroton_ posted:

This can be currently done in ACS.

Technically, yes, but I'm not exactly enthusiastic about the implementations I've seen of, say, getting footstep sounds to play. You can either use the TERRAIN lump, which AFAIK can be expanded with custom texture packs (TERRAIN is cumulative, right?) but means every footfall will be the same volume; or, you can use CheckActorFloorTexture, which doesn't return the name of the texture underneath you but rather expects you to supply it the name of the texture underneath you and returns true/false if you got it right/wrong, respectively, meaning that, in the worst-case-scenario, you have to guess the name of every texture in the game in order to determine what you're standing atop to act on accordingly (and also relies on internal ACS arrays that aren't extensible, although IIRC somebody got a C-based script working that reads the LANGUAGE lump instead, which should make it extensible since that lump's cumulative, or something).

Getting the coordinates of your target via ACS, meanwhile... sounds like something I should've tried instead of hacking it by A_Warp-ing into the target and back. Derp. (In my defense, the A_Warp technique works... somehow...)

# ? May 28, 2015 06:45

Jblade: Sep 5, 2006

Casimir Radon posted:

Oh, hey. Was there a second Shadow Warrior novel?

There certainly was, and I have the good fortune to own a copy!

I wrote about it before, but the main plot point is that the villain has a device that basically moves continents around and his plan is to recreate Pangaia. At one point Australia is moving so fast it creates a wind current.

I don't think I need to say much else for the quality of the book :v:

# ? May 28, 2015 07:22

Linguica: Jul 13, 2000; You're already dead

A guy found a better version of that 3DO Doom... thing... as well as two more "promotional" shots.

# ? May 28, 2015 08:10

Chinese Tony Danza: Oct 30, 2007; Crappy Cat Connoisseur

Somebody find out what happened to that demon costume.

# ? May 28, 2015 08:18

The Kins: Oct 2, 2004

IT'S ME, DOOMGUY

IT WAS ME ALL ALONG, DOOMGUY

# ? May 28, 2015 09:08

Thyrork: Apr 21, 2010; "COME PLAY MECHS M'LANCER."

Or at least use Retrograde Mini's to make cool mechs and fantasy stuff.; Slippery Tilde

So, whos going to pay for a :vince:

with that demons head instead?

# ? May 28, 2015 11:38

Nintendo Kid: Aug 4, 2011; by Smythe

Whale Cancer posted:

I want to get back into doom. Brutal doom v20 looks interesting. Which version of doom should I buy? II, final or ultimate?

You might as well just buy one of those packs that has Ultimate, II, and Final all together.

Right now Steam has "Doom Classic Complete" for $14.99 that has DOOM II, Final DOOM, Master Levels for Doom II, Ultimate Doom.

# ? May 28, 2015 12:52

Rupert Buttermilk: Apr 15, 2007; 🚣RowboatMan: ❄️Freezing time🕰️ is an old P.I. 🥧trick...

Nintendo Kid posted:

You might as well just buy one of those packs that has Ultimate, II, and Final all together.

Right now Steam has "Doom Classic Complete" for $14.99 that has DOOM II, Final DOOM, Master Levels for Doom II, Ultimate Doom.

What's the difference between Final and Ultimate? One has episode 4, and the other has Evilution/Plutonia?

# ? May 28, 2015 13:37

The Kins: Oct 2, 2004

Rupert Buttermilk posted:

What's the difference between Final and Ultimate? One has episode 4, and the other has Evilution/Plutonia?

Yep. Ultimate is Doom 1 + Episode 4, Final is TNT and Plutonia.

# ? May 28, 2015 13:44

LvK: Feb 27, 2006; FIVE STARS!!

Y'know, years and years and years ago, I downloaded a wad that had that picture with the demon on the title card. Now I know where the hell it came from!

# ? May 28, 2015 13:59

Cat Mattress: Jul 14, 2012; by Cyrano4747

Whale Cancer posted:

Which version of doom should I buy? II, final or ultimate?

Here's a handy page to recap what you can get from Steam. It's too bad they aren't selling the super packs anymore. The collections are the best bang for your buck, I'd suggest getting at least Doom Classic Complete and maybe tacking on Heretic + Hexen Collection.

# ? May 28, 2015 14:03

Zaphod42: Sep 13, 2012; If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

Linguica posted:

I learned today that apparently the 3DO port of Doom was originally intended to have FMV sequences, and this went so far as for the FMV sequences to actually be (at least partially) shot, and this is a picture from one:

This is like straight out of The Crypt Keeper or the like. :allears:

# ? May 28, 2015 16:01

Rupert Buttermilk: Apr 15, 2007; 🚣RowboatMan: ❄️Freezing time🕰️ is an old P.I. 🥧trick...

What's a good level pack to play with Demonsteele? The Doom campaigns are ok, but I just watched a Demonsteele trailer, and goddamn, I want some craziness.

# ? May 28, 2015 16:15

laserghost: Feb 12, 2014; ^{trust me, I'm a cat.}

Scythe 2 works really great. Probably because Term mostly used it to test Demonsteele.

# ? May 28, 2015 16:17

SavageMessiah: Jan 28, 2009; Emotionally drained and spookified; Toilet Rascal

http://www.doomworld.com/vb/wads-mods/72936-dem-bones-swaps-nearly-every-monster-with-revenants/

Let's Get Agitated :getin:

# ? May 28, 2015 16:25

Rupert Buttermilk: Apr 15, 2007; 🚣RowboatMan: ❄️Freezing time🕰️ is an old P.I. 🥧trick...

laserghost posted:

Scythe 2 works really great. Probably because Term mostly used it to test Demonsteele.

Thanks! I'll check it out. Also ^^^^ That's loving hardcore, I really want to try it. For 5 minutes.

# ? May 28, 2015 16:27

Shadow Hog: Feb 23, 2014; Avatar by Jon Davies

So I was rewatching that 10-second teaser for Doom 4 and I don't know you guys it looks pretty different from how I remember it going

# ? May 28, 2015 16:48

my bony fealty: Oct 1, 2008

Linguica posted:

A guy found a better version of that 3DO Doom... thing... as well as two more "promotional" shots.

Someone should make this guy into a sprite and add it to the Realm667 bestiary!

# ? May 28, 2015 16:54

The Kins: Oct 2, 2004

my bony fealty posted:

Someone should make this guy into a sprite and add it to the Realm667 bestiary!

Chinese Tony Danza was playing around with that idea earlier today. I'll leave it up to him to post it if he wants to, but it was basically a redraw of that big doofy head on a spikeless Imp body.

# ? May 28, 2015 16:58

Klaus88: Jan 23, 2011; Violence has its own economy, therefore be thoughtful and precise in your investment

SavageMessiah posted:

http://www.doomworld.com/vb/wads-mods/72936-dem-bones-swaps-nearly-every-monster-with-revenants/

Let's Get Agitated

There are no words to express the intense loathing I'm feeling towards both you and the maker of that... atrocty. :stonk:

# ? May 28, 2015 17:00

Zaphod42: Sep 13, 2012; If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

SavageMessiah posted:

http://www.doomworld.com/vb/wads-mods/72936-dem-bones-swaps-nearly-every-monster-with-revenants/

Let's Get Agitated

Hell no

# ? May 28, 2015 17:52

catlord: Mar 22, 2009; What's on your mind, Axa?

Shadow Hog posted:

So I was rewatching that 10-second teaser for Doom 4 and I don't know you guys it looks pretty different from how I remember it going

I dunno, looks fine to me.

The Kins posted:

Chinese Tony Danza was playing around with that idea earlier today. I'll leave it up to him to post it if he wants to, but it was basically a redraw of that big doofy head on a spikeless Imp body.

It's supposed to be a Baron, right?

# ? May 28, 2015 17:55

That Ignorant Sap: Nov 20, 2010; YOU AIN'T LOOKIN' AT A
BUNCH OF RHINOS, HERE.

catlord posted:

I dunno, looks fine to me.

It's supposed to be a Baron, right?

Looks like a short Cyberdemon minus cybernetics.

That Ignorant Sap fucked around with this message at 18:03 on May 28, 2015

# ? May 28, 2015 17:58

Chinese Tony Danza: Oct 30, 2007; Crappy Cat Connoisseur

The Kins posted:

Chinese Tony Danza was playing around with that idea earlier today. I'll leave it up to him to post it if he wants to, but it was basically a redraw of that big doofy head on a spikeless Imp body.

I did it over the course of a few minutes, so obviously it's not great, but I think it captures the doofy spirit of the real thing.

# ? May 28, 2015 18:33

site: Apr 6, 2007; Trans pride, Worldwide
Bitch

Linguica posted:

A guy found a better version of that 3DO Doom... thing... as well as two more "promotional" shots.

Oh man, these are great. Sooooo cheesy

The Kins posted:

IT'S ME, DOOMGUY

IT WAS ME ALL ALONG, DOOMGUY

lmao

# ? May 28, 2015 18:37

Zaphod42: Sep 13, 2012; If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

Chinese Tony Danza posted:

I did it over the course of a few minutes, so obviously it's not great, but I think it captures the doofy spirit of the real thing.

That ain't half bad dude.

Now animate it and get it in-game!

# ? May 28, 2015 18:39

Nition: Feb 25, 2006; You really want to know?

Do you think those eyes are just red light bulbs?

# ? May 28, 2015 21:10

SelenicMartian: Sep 14, 2013; Sometimes it's not the bomb that's retarded.

What's the red star on the chest for? Hell Sheriff?

Also, the face of the guy being eaten is great.
- See, I told you my guts were delicious and you didn't believe me! Now try the kidneys.

# ? May 28, 2015 21:17

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# ? May 14, 2024 08:43

Convex: Aug 19, 2010

To go with weird plastic demon guy, here's weird plastic Cacodemon from an old PC Zone mag

# ? May 28, 2015 21:47

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