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Elliotw2 posted:Hey, they asked about competitors, not about which engines are good. I'm just looking at it from the perspective of “what's comparable [in terms of documentation and dev community]?” CryEngine is right off that list due to its quirks, and Lumberyard is far too new to have had time to build any of that.
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I would think, if you're making a sprite-based game, GLOOME or some other form of Id Tech 1 would massively reduce your build time and budget.
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Woolie Wool posted:I would think, if you're making a sprite-based game, GLOOME or some other form of Id Tech 1 would massively reduce your build time and budget. Unless you want easy room over room, or non-90 degree from floor walls, or true arches etc.
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fishmech posted:Unless you want easy room over room, or non-90 degree from floor walls, or true arches etc. Can do the latter two pretty easily, actually.
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Dominic White posted:Really, for anything nowadays it's a tossup between UE4, Unity & Lumberyard. They all seem almost equally powerful and the first two are exceptionally well documented. Unity is a pretty capable engine and its poor reputation is due to the fact that it's free and easy enough to use that gobs of people who have read a few tutorials and downloaded free assets have made lovely Slenderman games with it (which start up with a full-screen Unity logo staring at you for a few seconds).
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BattleMaster posted:Unity is a pretty capable engine and its poor reputation is due to the fact that it's free and easy enough to use that gobs of people who have read a few tutorials and downloaded free assets have made lovely Slenderman games with it (which start up with a full-screen Unity logo staring at you for a few seconds). It's kinda like how Game Maker has a bad rap for 2d games, because all the crappily made games in it out there have the splash screen reminding you, or even a permanent watermark during game play for one of the free versions. Though that does remind me of all of the terrible 3d fps games in game maker that Lowtax did on his YouTube channel.
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Any engine is great, it just sucks that there's so much crap out there. For every 200 crappy Unity games, you get a Wasteland 2. For Game Maker, you get Hotline Miami.
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haveblue posted:
Oh god, yes. That's actually the best example. Goddamn, KSP is something beautiful 
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Huh, when did we get a new title? Anyway, thinking of other odd map themes, are there any good jungle island themed maps? I'm thinking something like Skull Island. I know of Knee-Deep in the Jungle, any others that are decent?
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Feb 12, 2016 07:09
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The first third of Plutonia 2 amps up the "jungleyness" of the original Plutonia theme.
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catlord posted:Huh, when did we get a new title? Anyway, thinking of other odd map themes, are there any good jungle island themed maps? I'm thinking something like Skull Island. I know of Knee-Deep in the Jungle, any others that are decent?
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i'm sure this has been gone over before, but does anyone have any recommendations for doom level packs that go really well with a doomrpg + doomrla combo? i'm not a fan of slaughter maps and i don't much care for stuff like plutonia, but i want a lot of decent enough maps to blast through that don't actively hate me unless i set the difficulty up.
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Johnny Joestar posted:i'm sure this has been gone over before, but does anyone have any recommendations for doom level packs that go really well with a doomrpg + doomrla combo? i'm not a fan of slaughter maps and i don't much care for stuff like plutonia, but i want a lot of decent enough maps to blast through that don't actively hate me unless i set the difficulty up. The Memori mori packs go well with that combo. Play a technician, get the machine gun that requires 4 mod packs to craft and watch everything get splattered into a fine mist.
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Johnny Law posted:Any particular reason you chose to use DarkPlaces? I pretty much just used it because that's what the OP said to use. I could go with Quakespasm instead. I only got to E1M8 last night anyway, shouldn't take me very long to get there again. I even had to start again after getting to E1M3 last night because I hadn't played a 90s game in so long I forgot autosaves didn't exist.
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Casimir Radon posted:Knee Deep in the Jungle looks cool but has some performance issue. Boy, does it. Woolie Wool posted:The first third of Plutonia 2 amps up the "jungleyness" of the original Plutonia theme. I, admittedly, haven't played a whole lot of Plutonia, but is that what that theme in the beginning is supposed to be?
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catlord posted:Huh, when did we get a new title? Anyway, thinking of other odd map themes, are there any good jungle island themed maps? I'm thinking something like Skull Island. I know of Knee-Deep in the Jungle, any others that are decent? ZDCMP2 is supposed to be on a jungle island, though there's not much activity outdoors so it's mostly base, underground, and hell.
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catlord posted:Boy, does it.
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so far project brutality has been a million times more fun than brutal doom and feels less 'off' to play than brutal doom.
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There don't seem to be any low end 3D engines for this sort of thing. May as well go with UE4 since from what I've seen it's a bit easier to work with than Unity. I've been trying to make a little 3D platform game to teach my young ESL students the names of colours in Unity and just setting up a proper first person camera is a pain in the balls, and it runs like a dog on the school's old computers. I've made the same basic idea before in the UT99 engine but I really want to avoid going through a game interface. They always figure out what the fire button is then that's that.
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Johnny Joestar posted:so far project brutality has been a million times more fun than brutal doom and feels less 'off' to play than brutal doom. Hmm, that's weird, I'll have to give it more time then, because, while I enjoy them both, PB definitely felt like a Brutal Doom++ mod (which it technically is, right?), in that it took what was changed, and changed it some more. And I don't care what anyone says, Brutal Doom (and/or Project Brutality) used with Going Down is a fun, tense, glorious mess.
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Is there a list anywhere of all of the Project Brutality items and what they do? SPOILERSI've gotten some red demonic power ups that "makes your hands tingle" or something, no discernable effect other than a red screen. The Revenant Morph rune was loving awesome though. "You become agitated..."
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UE4 is really easy to work with and documented and you can get help with just about anything.
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https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdzBCg8nf5ug4WmqoUrvQ6ACDlYX97Y_Q Here's the main playlist for those bad FPSes by the way. Here are some particularly notable ones: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyFBaiD-O4Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQLZEA3hkAA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEvT5zx-I8g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbEL2YthHak
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I'm on e2 in Painkiller and I'm faltering. How much longer until it becomes good? Right now it only seems to be getting worse, I feel like I'm in outsider art territory here visually (  ) and my first map don't steal in gameplay. I remember from playing the demo in 04 a medieval village level with zombies that I liked.
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catlord posted:Huh, when did we get a new title?
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Keiya posted:UE4 is cheap, well-documented, used widely enough one or more team members probably has prior experience with it, and has ports to drat near literally anything you could ever want to run on. Elliotw2 posted:Unity and cryengine/Amazon lumberjack, since idtech 3 is an antique game engine that's a pain to use anymore. Idtech3 is written in C. Not C++. Not C#. C.  joedevola posted:There don't seem to be any low end 3D engines for this sort of thing. May as well go with UE4 since from what I've seen it's a bit easier to work with than Unity. Low end is Unity. If you want something simpler and lighter weight than Unity, you're rolling your own. 3D is a huge pain even for "simple" stuff, just setting up all the proper required configurations, environment and boilerplate code can take forever. Zaphod42 fucked around with this message at 17:02 on Feb 12, 2016 |
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Shadow Hog posted:Around-about here. Remember to support the I can't find the video of the segment from The Screen Savers where they mocked that article. Anyone have it?
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Zaphod42 posted:Idtech3 is written in C. Because John Carmack is a goddamn code wizard.
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KozmoNaut posted:Because John Carmack is a goddamn code wizard. ... I mean yeah, he is, but that's not "why" IdTech3 is written in C. It was written in C because it was written back in the 90s and if anything was probably a bad call over moving to C++ because some programmer like Carmack didn't want to deal with the changes. Programmers are an ornery lot, lemme tell ya  And its not even particularly impressive, you can do pretty much anything in any Turing complete language. You're just making it harder on yourself though really. I mean for that matter Roller Coaster Tycoon was written in loving ASSEMBLY by one programmer. And I guess he is a code wizard too, but I wouldn't say that's "why" RCT was written in ASM. The Why is because Chris Sawyer is a loving madman and that's what he was more familiar with, not because he's a wizard or because it was a good idea.
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That Ignorant Sap posted:Is there a list anywhere of all of the Project Brutality items and what they do? Makes you reload faster, along with upping your rate of fire.
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Zaphod42 posted:I mean for that matter Roller Coaster Tycoon was written in loving ASSEMBLY by one programmer. And I guess he is a code wizard too, but I wouldn't say that's "why" RCT was written in ASM. The Why is because Chris Sawyer is a loving madman and that's what he was more familiar with, not because he's a wizard or because it was a good idea. Actually it was. Being written in ASM allowed the code to be much more effecient, which allowed for more concurrent simulations, allowing for bigger parks. Something RCT3 had a big problem with, which didn't use the same ASM engine as the first two games.
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joedevola posted:There don't seem to be any low end 3D engines for this sort of thing. May as well go with UE4 since from what I've seen it's a bit easier to work with than Unity. When you launch any of the UDK's one of the very first things it lets you do is load a functional platformer base in either first or third person.
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:Hmm, that's weird, I'll have to give it more time then, because, while I enjoy them both, PB definitely felt like a Brutal Doom++ mod (which it technically is, right?), in that it took what was changed, and changed it some more. And I don't care what anyone says, Brutal Doom (and/or Project Brutality) used with Going Down is a fun, tense, glorious mess. it feels a lot more like it's focused on being fun than focusing on weird gore poo poo, even though it technically has settings to up the gore level.
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loga mira posted:I'm on e2 in Painkiller and I'm faltering. How much longer until it becomes good? Right now it only seems to be getting worse, I feel like I'm in outsider art territory here visually If you don't like Painkiller by E2, you're probably not going to like Painkiller and can safely put it down.
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Elliotw2 posted:When you launch any of the UDK's one of the very first things it lets you do is load a functional platformer base in either first or third person. I can barely run recent UDK builds on my PC, so it wouldn't fly on the outdated PCs of a Korean elementary school.
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loga mira posted:I'm on e2 in Painkiller and I'm faltering. How much longer until it becomes good? Right now it only seems to be getting worse, I feel like I'm in outsider art territory here visually Painkiller deffo isn't good enough to stick with if you're not having fun by that point.
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loga mira posted:I'm on e2 in Painkiller and I'm faltering. How much longer until it becomes good? Right now it only seems to be getting worse, I feel like I'm in outsider art territory here visually Well, I'm sorry you didn't like PK, ultimately. If you want, add me on Steam (steamid: iprokka), I'll gift you Necrovision and Reflex to compensate for spent money. Also, if you're not burn on the game altogether, ditch the first campaign and go for Battle Out Of Hell. The first two levels (Orphanage and Stalingrad) are interesting. And I want to go back a little to the UE4 indie game - I don't really get when such advanced, tech-heavy engines are used to relatively simple engines. My PC is 6 years old, and absolutely chugs on that game. I understand that Gloome is too niche/too quirky to use, and idtech3 is outdated, but why not using UE3, which would suffice for such visually simple game? It's like people make 2D pseudo retro games in Game Maker, and add ton of filters and shaders which kill the performance (for example, Stealth Bastard). It's about the optimization, and picking the right tools for the task.
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http://www.geocities.ws/gremlin520/
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