Reposting for anyone considering playing Hexen.FirstPersonShitter posted:I do not like Hexen.
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Hexen is the Doom-engine game that would benefit most from a "Brutal" gameplay overhaul, but it will never happen...
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May 26, 2016 22:28
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Alternatively, skip Hexen and go straight to Serpent: Resurrection, which is still being updated. http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=23024 Absurdly huge and ambitious mod that has most of the good bits about Hexen and very little of the bad, plus has a good range of weapons to every character. Edit: Ha, it's grown! Last I checked, there weren't 7 characters. Dominic White fucked around with this message at 22:31 on May 26, 2016 |
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May 26, 2016 22:28
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Segmentation Fault posted:Reposting for anyone considering playing Hexen. At the risk of sounding self-serving, I also wrote about Hexen after suffering through it a couple months ago: Mak0rz posted:I have a confession to make, everyone. Mak0rz fucked around with this message at 22:42 on May 26, 2016 |
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May 26, 2016 22:40
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I really didn't enjoy playing Hexen either. It's way too confusing. I wouldn't say I'm totally clueless with these kinds of games in general, but I was completely disoriented and confused within half an hour of the game and I just didn't have any idea where I was supposed to go next. Wandering from room to room hoping for a breakthrough made for some really dire gameplay time.
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May 26, 2016 22:47
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The only good thing about Hexen is the aesthetic, which someone in this thread described as like playing through a heavy metal album cover.
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May 26, 2016 22:49
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Wrath of Cronos made Hexen better for me. The maps are still heinous but the gameplay being a lot more fun made me more willing to slog through them. https://zandronum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1224
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May 26, 2016 22:57
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Hexen is as much fun as smashing penis/vulva in door then self immolating. Just play Powerslave or something instead, trust me
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May 26, 2016 23:15
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Well, I'm trying to go through a lot of notable FPS games starting from some of the earliest to modern day games. I'll come back and do Doom 64 at some point as well as fanmade wads for Doom 1/2, but right now I'm sticking with official releases and Chex Quest is up next. And I know very much what Hexen's reputation is like and I've got a friend who bitched enough about it but I'm still going to suffer through it, even though I know the whole game is going to be full of the gimmicky "what the gently caress did I just do?" bullshit that the worst of Sandy Petersen's levels and a lot of the Master Levels of Doom II fall victim to. I'll eventually do Hexen 2 as well, which I hear is actually a bit better than the original but still falls victim to some of the same problems that befall the first game.
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May 26, 2016 23:18
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Elliotw2 posted:Chapter 3 of Daikatana is the better Hexen.
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May 26, 2016 23:19
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Doom 4 is really good, as it turns out!
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May 26, 2016 23:28
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It is! Though the later levels get really linear and start introducing points-of-no-return, frequently not terribly well-telegraphed. As I was just whining about on DoomWorld earlier today, I kept discovering I missed secrets in the Advanced Research Facility, meaning I had to listen to Samuel Hayden reveal the Helix Stone to me four times over. And it's a pretty lengthy speech, too, without a whole lot to look at (well, I mean, there's some interesting things, but you generally exhaust them the first or second time through). Just let me skip this and get back to secret-hunting, please. Better yet, how about not permanently locking the door from the ventilation rooms to the BFG research lab when I go through it, so I can go back to the outdoors area if I want to? Or not locking the door behind me when I enter the lobby for Hayden's office, so I could go back to the restrooms and find the automap secret? Though the next level (the one from the GTX1080 conference that made everyone realize Bethesda might be mishandling the marketing for the game) was a fair bit easier on the secret-hunting front, only had to revisit it one time over to catch a Rune and a Doll I missed (the cues for those secrets were subtle). And the Cyberdemon fight was really fun, if kinda easy on HMP (only died once)!
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May 27, 2016 00:13
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Chex Quest was kind of cute. Short enough too that by the time the novelty was wearing off, it was over. I'm also kind of impressed with how good Episode 2 and 3 of Chex Quest look, I know 3 came out long after the first two but Episode 2 gave me serious Duke Nukem 3D vibes of all things. Hopefully a possible Episode 4: Thy Flem Consumed will happen one day. Now onto Wizard Doom.
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May 27, 2016 00:52
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IMO Hexen is good and fun but it's a game you really need to play with a walkthrough available to you for when you get stuck/lost. I definitely wouldn't want to play it without one. I guess that might disqualify it as being good and/or fun in some people's minds, which isn't a wholly unreasonable position to take, but for me it would also disqualify many other games I've enjoyed such as basically any Elder Scrolls game, so  e: not saying that e.g. Morrowind is exactly as obtuse as Hexen can be at its worst, just that they share the venn circle of games that need that sort of outside assistance to be their very best.
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May 27, 2016 00:58
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Is it just me or is Heretic a lot harder that Doom? I'm playing on the UV equivalent but I feel like monsters take way longer to die and projectiles fly way faster so its harder to dodge them. Its kind of making me feel like I just suck at games. I just finished episode 1, on 2 now.
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May 27, 2016 00:59
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Mr. Fortitude posted:Chex Quest was kind of cute. Short enough too that by the time the novelty was wearing off, it was over. I'm also kind of impressed with how good Episode 2 and 3 of Chex Quest look, I know 3 came out long after the first two but Episode 2 gave me serious Duke Nukem 3D vibes of all things. Hopefully a possible Episode 4: Thy Flem Consumed will happen one day. Yeah Chex Quest 2 is surprisingly one of the best efforts at doing "real world" locations. Granted it's a cartoon world still, but still things don't really look too out of scale.
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May 27, 2016 01:05
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMH7QpcTVE0&t=61s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12zGtbW9fis&t=54s
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May 27, 2016 01:49
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No Vietcong.  Cool series nonetheless.
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Mr. Fortitude posted:Chex Quest was kind of cute. Short enough too that by the time the novelty was wearing off, it was over. I'm also kind of impressed with how good Episode 2 and 3 of Chex Quest look, I know 3 came out long after the first two but Episode 2 gave me serious Duke Nukem 3D vibes of all things. Hopefully a possible Episode 4: Thy Flem Consumed will happen one day. Wizard Doom?
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May 27, 2016 04:45
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fishmech posted:Yeah Chex Quest 2 is surprisingly one of the best efforts at doing "real world" locations. Granted it's a cartoon world still, but still things don't really look too out of scale. Speaking of that, I've just been playing Hellbound and in spite of its problems it has some absolutely beautiful architecture that makes sense as real locations. It also shows that Doom 2 has some amazing texture work, since almost all the textures it uses are stock.
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May 27, 2016 04:58
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Dominic White posted:Alternatively, skip Hexen and go straight to Serpent: Resurrection, which is still being updated. Hmmm, I haven't played a Heretic/Hexen, neither do I own them. Will it work if I just load it into GZDoom or do I actually need Hexen for it to function?
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May 27, 2016 04:58
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RickVoid posted:Wizard Doom? Pretty sure it's code for "Heretic"
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BattleMaster posted:Speaking of that, I've just been playing Hellbound and in spite of its problems it has some absolutely beautiful architecture that makes sense as real locations. It also shows that Doom 2 has some amazing texture work, since almost all the textures it uses are stock. I think Hellbound is incredible and aside from the obnoxiously dark lighting it plays wonderfully. Some of the maps can be a little too big, but it's a real spectacle to fight through those gorgeous levels.
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Al Cu Ad Solte posted:I think Hellbound is incredible and aside from the obnoxiously dark lighting it plays wonderfully. Some of the maps can be a little too big, but it's a real spectacle to fight through those gorgeous levels. It's very good but not quite perfect. What's annoyed me so far about halfway through is some of the cheap stuff like monsters popping into existence (I assume they're in a 1 unit by 1 unit hole or something with an instant elevator trigger), Revenants hiding in punch range immediately behind a door, and overuse of monster teleportation. However, all of those things greatly improved after about MAP10 and there have been some really fantastic maps such as MAP12 and MAP15. I'll also give MAP31 a pass on all that because the teleportation was telegraphed enough that it wasn't annoying. I'm pretty proud of myself for being able to find the entrance to MAP31, but I had to watch a video to find the very subtle switch in the center arena for the last Keen to get to MAP32. I had managed to figure out everything else all by myself and spent a while racking my brain trying to figure it out before I gave up so I'm kicking myself for not looking closely enough.
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May 27, 2016 05:18
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Ancient Aliens is great but man I'm getting frustrated how frequently I get into a "What the gently caress do I do next?" situation. Speaking of, what the hell do I do in map 24 after going down the waterfall and hitting the nearby switch? Opening it up in GZDoom Builder shows it frees a voodoo doll off screen that conveys down a corridor to a dead-end but that doesn't much help me at all.
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May 27, 2016 06:03
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I tried hosting some brutal doom with just Brutalv20 and Alien Vendetta. poo poo's pretty fun. Most doomers that drop by are just having fun and blasting stuff. Can anyone suggest any other cool mappacks to rotate through?
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fishmech posted:Yeah Chex Quest 2 is surprisingly one of the best efforts at doing "real world" locations. Granted it's a cartoon world still, but still things don't really look too out of scale. It looks a lot more convincing that Doom II's city levels, which just kind of look like a mess. RickVoid posted:Wizard Doom? Yeah what Mak0rz said. Heretic.
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May 27, 2016 10:20
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Jehde posted:No Vietcong. I remember Vietcong as the first game that had ADS and having to look at items on the ground and pressing a button to pick them up. It also had derpy NPCs and AIs you had to follow and babysit. The gameplay was pretty decent, especially if you had the hardware to run it at 60fps back in the day, but I'm ambivalent about the game overall.
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Dolphin Fetus posted:Is it just me or is Heretic a lot harder that Doom? I'm playing on the UV equivalent but I feel like monsters take way longer to die and projectiles fly way faster so its harder to dodge them. Its kind of making me feel like I just suck at games. I just finished episode 1, on 2 now. You've got inventory items: don't hoard them, use them. Tome of Power or Morph Ovum can help deal with a dense mob quickly, Quartz Flasks and Mystic Urns let you tough it out like you were invulnerable, Shadowsphere makes you fully immune to undead knights...
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Just found this megapack of Quake 2 single player maps, there are 109 levelsets and 243 single maps. And Blood is on sale @ GOG. Go play Blood. laserghost fucked around with this message at 11:52 on May 27, 2016 |
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May 27, 2016 11:41
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Cat Mattress posted:You've got inventory items: don't hoard them, use them. Tome of Power or Morph Ovum can help deal with a dense mob quickly, Quartz Flasks and Mystic Urns let you tough it out like you were invulnerable, Shadowsphere makes you fully immune to undead knights...
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May 27, 2016 12:02
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Lork posted:If I remember right you lose all but one of each item every time you go to a new level, so even if you have hoarding tendencies there's still no reason not to use (almost) all your items by the end of every map. Yes. And you always lose the wings of wrath, so when you find one, use it! Not necessarily right away, but pay attention. Wings in a level generally means you've got some secrets that can be reached only by flying.
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May 27, 2016 12:34
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What's the best way to play Heretic nowadays, anyway? Chocolate Heretic, Zdoom, something else? I don't want fancy graphics or anything, just a faithful engine that runs well.
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May 27, 2016 12:46
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Chocolate Heretic for the true 1994 feeling, or just GZdoom since you probably already have it configured.
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Cat Mattress posted:You've got inventory items: don't hoard them, use them. Tome of Power or Morph Ovum can help deal with a dense mob quickly, Quartz Flasks and Mystic Urns let you tough it out like you were invulnerable, Shadowsphere makes you fully immune to undead knights... Wait what I've played through Heretic ten times and I never knew this, holy poo poo
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May 27, 2016 13:38
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Well, maybe not fully, they can still hurt you in melee, but their projectiles -- both green ethereal axes and red blood axes -- will go through you harmlessly.
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I've gone through the first episode of Heretic and my thoughts overall are kind of meh. It's not bad really, but there's just something about it which I don't like. Could be the environments, which sometimes make doors and switches just kind of blend into the scenery or it could be that weapons feel really weak unless you use a Tome of Power. I played on the second hardest difficulty, assuming it was the Ultra-Violence equivalent from Doom but enemies seem to take a few too many hits to kill unless you use a Tome of Power and there's a lot of them and I'm one of those people who hoards items just in case I really need it for a future encounter which never comes. The thing is, I know the weapons act pretty much like Doom's weapons but they just don't feel as satisfying to use. Do future episodes pick up and get better? Should I lower the difficulty if I feel that enemies are bullet sponges and weapons feel weak? Or am I just playing it wrong somehow?
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Mr. Fortitude posted:I've gone through the first episode of Heretic and my thoughts overall are kind of meh. It's not bad really, but there's just something about it which I don't like. Could be the environments, which sometimes make doors and switches just kind of blend into the scenery or it could be that weapons feel really weak unless you use a Tome of Power. I played on the second hardest difficulty, assuming it was the Ultra-Violence equivalent from Doom but enemies seem to take a few too many hits to kill unless you use a Tome of Power and there's a lot of them and I'm one of those people who hoards items just in case I really need it for a future encounter which never comes. The thing is, I know the weapons act pretty much like Doom's weapons but they just don't feel as satisfying to use. I've never finished Heretic because TR he enemies felt really bullet spongey. Also I played on the UV difficulty. Try lowering it. See how it feels.
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Say hello to another dude who has joined the "Just Finished Plutonia" club! Well I might mess around and try to get/beat the secret levels, but MAP30 is in the books. Playing through on UV was a rewarding experience, but I am definitely in the mood for something less intense next. With that in mind, what would be recommended difficulty settings for the following:
I know Plutonia is considered especially hard, so sticking with UV on a different map set might be fine. On the other hand a lot of community maps ramp the difficulty way up from Doom 2, so I just want to be sure I'm avoiding a lateral move here.
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Minidust posted:Say hello to another dude who has joined the "Just Finished Plutonia" club! Well I might mess around and try to get/beat the secret levels, but MAP30 is in the books. I can't speak for Strange Aeons, but playing the other three on UV will certainly keep you on your toes!
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