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Crackbone
May 23, 2003

Vlaada is my co-pilot.


I'm blanking on execution rules, and don't want to read the rulebook right now - what would be the functional differences between Cottle's "Life and Death" and a real execution? They'd keep their loyalty and skill cards? Would their OPG get reset?

I'm having a hard time imagining what circumstances you'd want to use that ability. Plus Cottle is going to have a bitch of a time using it, since there's not that much control of when characters go to sickbay.

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Pander
Oct 9, 2007

Fear is the glue that holds society together. It's what makes people suppress their worst impulses. Fear is power.

And at the end of fear, oblivion.


How about for Cottle's OPG

Once per game, when a player is sent to sickbay, you may instead send them to any other Galactica location. That player then gets one action.

Could result in some crazy poo poo...instead of gaining an action I was thinking about "you may also choose to have that player either draw or discard up to three cards." but it felt clunkier.

Cocks Cable
Jul 11, 2001



Crackbone posted:

I'm blanking on execution rules, and don't want to read the rulebook right now - what would be the functional differences between Cottle's "Life and Death" and a real execution? They'd keep their loyalty and skill cards? Would their OPG get reset?

I'm having a hard time imagining what circumstances you'd want to use that ability. Plus Cottle is going to have a bitch of a time using it, since there's not that much control of when characters go to sickbay.

OPG is once-per-game no matter what. I believe they've stated as much in the FAQ or elsewhere.

If you are executed, you discard all your cards, prove your loyalty, and if human lose 1 morale and choose another character (also draw a new loyalty card).

With Cottle's Life and Death, you would skip basically all of that except swap out a character. You keep your Skill Cards and Loyalty Cards and there's no potential morale loss.

Strategic executions for swapping characters is something players have occassionally entertained in the past. It is just the cost is typically too high. This would allow you do just that for no cost. Did all your pilots turn out to be cylons? Ok, let's switch someone out. Or, this poo poo sucks, if only we had <insert character not in play>'s awesome ability right now! There are definite human applications of the ability.

As far as cylon applications, it could be an opportunity to remove a troublesome character from play. Getting rid of Cally, Cain, Apollo, etc. could be desirable. I haven't entirely convinced myself it would be all that great. Any other opnions on if this would be worthile for a cylon?

You're probably right on the limited timing of the ability. So instead we can open it up like so:

Life and Death -- Once per game, when another player is sent to or starts their turn in Sickbay, you may return their character to the game box. It may no longer be used during the game. That player then chooses a new character, placing that character in his starting location. Follow rules for selecting specific characters after an Execution.

Cocks Cable
Jul 11, 2001



Pander posted:

Once per game, when a player is sent to sickbay, you may instead send them to any other Galactica location. That player then gets one action.

This is a good idea as well. Cottle's OPG is the last major piece missing. Had another idea last night but its kind of the samey as his Surgery ability. But these are probably the best workable 3 so far. Let's settle on one! Life and Death is unique but sort of complex. Not sure if all the angles are covered on that one. Triage is different and inoffensive enough to warrant a OPG.

--OPG 1--> Life and Death -- Once per game, when another player is sent to or starts their turn in Sickbay, you may return their character to the game box. It may no longer be used during the game. That player then chooses a new character, placing that character in his starting location. Follow rules for selecting specific characters after an Execution.

--OPG 2--> Good as New -- Action: Once per game, choose a player in Sickbay to draw Skill Cards up to their hand limit.

--OPG 3--> Triage -- Once per game, when a player would be sent to Sickbay, you may instead move them to any other location on Galactica (except the Brig). That player may then immediately take 1 Action.

Pander
Oct 9, 2007

Fear is the glue that holds society together. It's what makes people suppress their worst impulses. Fear is power.

And at the end of fear, oblivion.


Cocks Cable posted:

--OPG 1--> Life and Death -- Once per game, when another player is sent to or starts their turn in Sickbay, you may return their character to the game box. It may no longer be used during the game. That player then chooses a new character, placing that character in his starting location. Follow rules for selecting specific characters after an Execution.
This just seems...complex. And weak too, what's Cottle get out of it? What's Cottlon get out of it? If COTTLE could CHOOSE who the new guy gets, that might be a fun wrinkle. "Okay let's lose our pilot and get another support muhwahaha".

Cocks Cable posted:

--OPG 2--> Good as New -- Action: Once per game, choose a player in Sickbay to draw Skill Cards up to their hand limit.
This doesn't even make sense...you have to use your action to do this? But it should apply before the movement phase of someone else' turn? For a power (draw 5 cards) that's not really a OPG-level power? I don't like it.

Cocks Cable posted:

--OPG 3--> Triage -- Once per game, when a player would be sent to Sickbay, you may instead move them to any other location on Galactica (except the Brig). That player may then immediately take 1 Action.
This, but the point I had was that he CAN send someone to the brig. It's what'd give Cottlon oodles of fun, and also be a nice tool for brigging a suspected cylon.

Some Numbers
Sep 28, 2006

When you're a priest, sometimes you've got to raise a little hell.

Pander posted:

This doesn't even make sense...you have to use your action to do this? But it should apply before the movement phase of someone else' turn? For a power (draw 5 cards) that's not really a OPG-level power? I don't like it.

Drawing 5 =/= drawing up to 10.

Crackbone
May 23, 2003

Vlaada is my co-pilot.


Good as New is a winner, I think. It does make him very skill-card centric, but that's not a bad thing.

Vulpes
Nov 13, 2002

Well, shit.


Cocks Cable posted:

--OPG 1--> Life and Death -- Once per game, when another player is sent to or starts their turn in Sickbay, you may return their character to the game box. It may no longer be used during the game. That player then chooses a new character, placing that character in his starting location. Follow rules for selecting specific characters after an Execution.

As worded this could be used on infiltrating cylon leaders as well, which could really mess up the balance. Suggest if you go with this to specify 'human player'.

Cocks Cable
Jul 11, 2001



Vulpes posted:

As worded this could be used on infiltrating cylon leaders as well, which could really mess up the balance. Suggest if you go with this to specify 'human player'.

Thats a good point. Unfortunately there isn't a seperate distinction for cylon leaders. A cylon leader is considered human if he is infiltrating. So instead of trying to make L&D work, I'll just drop it.

Pander
Oct 9, 2007

Fear is the glue that holds society together. It's what makes people suppress their worst impulses. Fear is power.

And at the end of fear, oblivion.


Some Numbers posted:

Drawing 5 =/= drawing up to 10.

Oh I think I misread it. That does make it better I suppose, but no real use for an unrevealed cylon.

Crackbone
May 23, 2003

Vlaada is my co-pilot.


Pander posted:

Oh I think I misread it. That does make it better I suppose, but no real use for an unrevealed cylon.

I suppose you could change it to "Target player in Sickbay draws up to their hand limit or discards all cards"?

Cocks Cable
Jul 11, 2001



I think they are done, or at least in good enough shape to try out a game with them (which I'll start soon). Thank you to everyone who contributed!



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POTENTIAL NEW UNOFFICIAL CHARACTERS rev0.5

MILITARY LEADERS

Louis Hoshi (LEA/2 TAC/2 ENG/1) Setup: Communications
Communications Officer -- When activating Communications, you may move Civilian Ships up to 2 spaces.
Field Promotion -- Action: Once per game, take a Title Card of your choosing (unless you are in the Brig) and then take 1 Action.
Junior Officer -- At the end of your turn, if you hold any Title Cards, you must pass them to the next player highest in the line of succession (other than yourself).

Kendra Shaw (LEA/1 TAC/3 LEA/ENG/1) Setup: FTL Control
Battle Repairs -- On your turn, you may activate damaged locations.
Complete the Mission -- Once per game, before a Crisis Card has been resolved, you may choose to either skip the Cylon Ship Activation and perform Jump Prep twice, or perform the Cylon Ship Activation twice and skip Jump Prep.
Razor -- Whenever you must make a choice on a Crisis Card that says "Current Player Chooses", the Admiral (or the next highest in succession if you are the Admiral) chooses for you.

POLITICAL LEADERS

Billy Keikeya (POL/2 LEA/2 POL/LEA/1) Setup: Administration
Presidential Aide -- After the President uses an action on a Quorum Card, you may look at the top card of the Quorum Deck and then place it on the top or bottom of the deck.
Self Sacrifice -- Once per game, before any cards are played into a Crisis Skill Check, choose the result (Pass or Fail) instead and then move to Sickbay.
Innocent -- You may not play into Skill Checks triggered by a location.

Romo Lampkin (POL/2 LEA/2) Setup: Hangar Deck
Pickpocket -- If you end your movement in a location with another player, you may draw 2 Skill Cards from within that player's Skillset.
Legal Defense -- Once per game, after a human player ends their Movement step, you may choose a player in the Brig (other than yourself) and move them to any Galactica location. That player may then immediately take 1 Action.
Devil's Advocate -- Anytime another player is sent to the Brig, you must discard 2 random Skill Cards.

PILOTS

Margaret "Racetrack" Edmunson (TAC/3, PIL/1, ENG/1) Setup: Weapons Control
Raptor Courier -- After you end your Movement step, you may move any human player to your location (unless you or they are in the Brig) and then draw 1 Piloting Card.
Lead Scout -- Once per game, when the Admiral would draw two Destination Cards and choose one, you may instead choose to draw three Destination Cards and choose one.
High Risk Assignments -- Anytime a Raptor is destroyed, move to Sickbay (unless you are in the Brig).

Brendan "Hot Dog" Costanza (LEA/PIL/1, TAC/2, PIL/2) Setup: Weapons Control
Wingman -- If you end your movement in a space with unmanned Vipers, you may activate each of then once.
Draw Fire -- Movement or Action: Once per game, while piloting a Viper, move to any space area. Then choose a second area of space and move all Raiders and Heavy Raiders from that location to your location.
Green -- If the fleet jumps while you are piloting a Viper, you must discard 2 Piloting Cards or move to Sickbay (instead of the Hangar Deck).

SUPPORT CREW

Diana "Hardball" Seelix (TAC/2, ENG/2, TAC/PIL/1) Setup: Armory
Avionics Specialist -- You may discard an Engineering Card to immediately reroll a Viper or Raider attack.
Knuckle Dragger -- Action: Once per game, you may either repair and launch up to 4 Vipers, or destroy any 2 Vipers or 1 Raptor.
The Circle -- You must play at least 3 Skill Cards (or all Skill Cards if you have less than 3) into any Admiral Quarters or Airlock Skill Check (unless you are in the Brig).

'Doc' Sherman Cottle (POL/LEA/2, LEA/1, ENG/2) Setup: Research Lab
Surgery -- Movement: Choose a human player to discard 2 Skill Cards. Then draw 2 Skill Cards (these may come from outside your Skillset) and give them to that player.
Good as New -- Action: Once per game, choose a player in Sickbay to draw Skill Cards up to their hand limit or discard all Skill Cards.
Chain Smoker -- Whenever another human player is forced to discard 3 or more Skill Cards, you must discard 1 Skill Card.

Cocks Cable
Jul 11, 2001



[BSG Exodus] Admiral Hoshi? President Lampkin for you on line two. is a go.

Crackbone
May 23, 2003

Vlaada is my co-pilot.


Now that we've finished up with characters, I'm still working on more cylon reveals and some extra personal goals.

Is there any balance reason you couldn't do more - resource reveals? By that I mean there's the -1 morale, why not -1 pop, or even -2 food? Or is the -1 morale so weak it should be buffed?


New personal goals:

Vendetta:
Reveal 4 or more treachery cards from your hand. -1 Morale

Cutting corners:
3 or more locations on Galactica are damaged. -1 Food

Up Close and Personal
1 or more centurions on the boarding track. -1 Pop

Sacrificial Lambs
3 or more Civillian ships are destroyed. -1 Fuel

Cocks Cable
Jul 11, 2001



Crackbone posted:

Is there any balance reason you couldn't do more - resource reveals? By that I mean there's the -1 morale, why not -1 pop, or even -2 food? Or is the -1 morale so weak it should be buffed?

-1 morale often considered the weakest reveal card, but I don't see why not. Rather than -1 pop, you'd probably be better off drawing and destroying a civilian ship. -2 food is probably too strong for a reveal card and -1 food would be definitely too weak. -1 fuel is strong enough, but I'd be wary of dinging fuel (the most important resource) in the base game with limited options to regain it. With Exodus and TAC-6, it might be okay.

Crackbone posted:

Vendetta:
Reveal 4 or more treachery cards from your hand. -1 Morale

Cutting corners:
3 or more locations on Galactica are damaged. -1 Food

Up Close and Personal
1 or more centurions on the boarding track. -1 Pop

Sacrificial Lambs
3 or more Civillian ships are destroyed. -1 Fuel

Vendetta is a good idea. "Why didn't you discard that TRE?" Might consider bumping to 5 cards?

Cutting Corners is a good idea since it specifies Galactica and not Pegasus. You have incentive to not use the damage sponge.

Not sure about Up Close and Personal. Getting 1 centurion on board is relatively easy and doesn't involve much choice on the player's part. A typical game usually sees at least 1 boarding now with the cylon fleet. So it seems like a goal that would just end up fulfilling itself with no needed input from the player.

Sacrificial Lambs seems too easy in the same way Up Close and Personal does. What game doesn't lose 3 more civilian ships relatively early?

Crackbone
May 23, 2003

Vlaada is my co-pilot.


Cocks Cable posted:

-1 morale often considered the weakest reveal card, but I don't see why not. Rather than -1 pop, you'd probably be better off drawing and destroying a civilian ship. -2 food is probably too strong for a reveal card and -1 food would be definitely too weak. -1 fuel is strong enough, but I'd be wary of dinging fuel (the most important resource) in the base game with limited options to regain it. With Exodus and TAC-6, it might be okay.


Vendetta is a good idea. "Why didn't you discard that TRE?" Might consider bumping to 5 cards?

Cutting Corners is a good idea since it specifies Galactica and not Pegasus. You have incentive to not use the damage sponge.

Not sure about Up Close and Personal. Getting 1 centurion on board is relatively easy and doesn't involve much choice on the player's part. A typical game usually sees at least 1 boarding now with the cylon fleet. So it seems like a goal that would just end up fulfilling itself with no needed input from the player.

Sacrificial Lambs seems too easy in the same way Up Close and Personal does. What game doesn't lose 3 more civilian ships relatively early?

I agree fuel isn't really a good reveal option. I was thinking maybe making the reveal -1 pop or morale, Cylon's choice. I was thinking of a "draw a ship and destroy it" reveal, but that's pretty swingy since there's so many results.

For Vendetta I keep waffling on 4 or 5 cards. I lean towards 4 just because it's easier for a player to achieve, but could still look suspicious. I'm not a fan of some of the current PG cards because they're so drat hard for a character to accomplish, like holding both titles.

As for the Up Close and Personal and Sacrificial Lambs, I do agree they might be on the weak side. Civy deaths is too problematic to balance, as most of the time it'd be better just to take the hit on the card.

Railing Kill
Nov 14, 2008

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You could change Up Close and Personal to require that specific player to ace a centurion.

Crackbone
May 23, 2003

Vlaada is my co-pilot.


Railing Kill posted:

You could change Up Close and Personal to require that specific player to ace a centurion.

I think I was approaching this in the wrong way. The idea behind personal goals is really to give Cylon players cover to make bad or sub-optimal plays.

So for Sacrificial Lambs, "Six (seven?) or more civillian ships on the board". It can happen naturally but also encourages the person with the goal to advocate for letting civs build up.

Your idea for "Up Close and Personal" is pretty good too.

Railing Kill
Nov 14, 2008

Computer:
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Crackbone posted:

So for Sacrificial Lambs, "Six (seven?) or more civillian ships on the board". It can happen naturally but also encourages the person with the goal to advocate for letting civs build up.

I like this better. It's harder to justify the previous version because the cost outweighed the benefit. "Guys, we should let those civvies die." "Why? We'll lose 2-3 pop, maybe as much as 4." "But if we don't lose that pop, we'll lose... 1 fuel." In some endgame situations this might make sense, but usually it would be hard to justify. With the new way, you're just putting them civvies in potential danger, but nothing is lost yet.

The only personal goal card that bugs me a bit is the one that has you discard 20+ points worth of cards in one drop. Unless you're the president or the admiral and you get one of those "current player discards x, (title) discards y" crises, this is really difficult to accomplish. Even if you do have a chance to discard 5 cards, you need them all to average 4's, which is usually not going to be the case. I get the idea. They want to foster suspicion about "why do you want to discard cards instead of taking a minor food hit?" and "why did you choose to discard those high cards, tin-breath?" I just think 20+ is just a bit high.

I'm also not sold on the extra loyalty card and the necessity of taking a replacement loyalty card if you resolve a personal goal before distance 6. Both of these parts of the personal goal rules seem unnecessary. Thoughts?

scribe jones
Sep 17, 2008

One of the key problems in the analysis of this puzzling book is to be able to differentiate a real language from meaningless writing.

Don't you get to do the discard as an action? You don't need to wait for a discard crisis.

Crackbone
May 23, 2003

Vlaada is my co-pilot.


Railing Kill posted:

I like this better. It's harder to justify the previous version because the cost outweighed the benefit. "Guys, we should let those civvies die." "Why? We'll lose 2-3 pop, maybe as much as 4." "But if we don't lose that pop, we'll lose... 1 fuel." In some endgame situations this might make sense, but usually it would be hard to justify. With the new way, you're just putting them civvies in potential danger, but nothing is lost yet.

The only personal goal card that bugs me a bit is the one that has you discard 20+ points worth of cards in one drop. Unless you're the president or the admiral and you get one of those "current player discards x, (title) discards y" crises, this is really difficult to accomplish. Even if you do have a chance to discard 5 cards, you need them all to average 4's, which is usually not going to be the case. I get the idea. They want to foster suspicion about "why do you want to discard cards instead of taking a minor food hit?" and "why did you choose to discard those high cards, tin-breath?" I just think 20+ is just a bit high.

I'm also not sold on the extra loyalty card and the necessity of taking a replacement loyalty card if you resolve a personal goal before distance 6. Both of these parts of the personal goal rules seem unnecessary. Thoughts?

You're misreading the card. You reveal the goal, then discard 20 strength. It doesn't require a "normal" discard to activate. Even still I think 20+ is really high.

And I agree the distance 6/extra loyalty card mechanic sucks. In the set I'm making I'm taking it off the cards entirely, along with granting an additional action. The original cards are really harsh, and I don't see the need to do so.

Crackbone fucked around with this message at Aug 10, 2011 around 15:04

Railing Kill
Nov 14, 2008

Computer:
Erase this entire post.

Crackbone posted:

You're misreading the card. You reveal the goal, then discard 20 strength. It doesn't require a "normal" discard to activate.

Ah. My mistake. That's not nearly as bad. It still sucks, but in just the right way it should.

Some Numbers
Sep 28, 2006

When you're a priest, sometimes you've got to raise a little hell.

Vulpes posted:

Even though XO chaining is basically de rigeur, this is still out-of-flavour with the other character abilities, which don't rely on any other specific cards or abilities.

I know this was a few pages ago, but I need to correct this.

Maintenance Engineer -- During your turn, after you use a Repair Skill Card, you may take another action (once per turn).

Vulpes
Nov 13, 2002

Well, shit.


Some Numbers posted:

I know this was a few pages ago, but I need to correct this.

Maintenance Engineer -- During your turn, after you use a Repair Skill Card, you may take another action (once per turn).



Good point, I didn't even think of that. Precedent granted.

General Battuta
Feb 7, 2011

This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.

This game is amazing, I feel so lucky to have a local group to play with. After about ~20 games our Cylons still always win so we've got a lot of learning to do.

I always felt like the game could be more creative about crisis mechanics. They're the meat of the game in terms of player interaction. Are there any fan-brew crises that get a lot of acclaim?

Some Numbers
Sep 28, 2006

When you're a priest, sometimes you've got to raise a little hell.

I can't remember anyone making any Crises. I think characters are the only game components that we've created.

General Battuta
Feb 7, 2011

This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.

That's cool. I was just thinking about how creative you could get with them.

For a long time I was trying to think of new crisis mechanics to add. Crises right now fall into two broad classes, 'choose' and 'skill check'. Some are hybrids. Then you have additional elements like the Skill Check Ability icons from Exodus.

I don't really know how far I got with coming up with a new class. I had a lot of dumb ideas.

Eventually I decided a new crisis type would be a bad idea. Skill check crises are important because so many of the game mechanics are built around them - character abilities, cards, abilities that impact the Destiny deck. Adding gimmick crises to the crisis deck dilutes the importance of all these abilities.

I still think there's a fair bit of room for interesting crisis mechanics within the choose/skill check framework. Unless I'm stupid, there's no existing crisis that uses a trust vs. payoff mechanic. For example, you could do: "Current player chooses: something bad happens and current player draws 3 cards OR something bad happens and another player draws 6 cards." This creates tension between
self-interest/security and teamplay/risk.

Or a choice between two sets of consequences on the same skill check, one low risk/low reward, the other high risk/high reward.

Or whatever, I don't know. Maybe these have already been done?

Some Numbers
Sep 28, 2006

When you're a priest, sometimes you've got to raise a little hell.

The thing is, Crises are, by design, mostly downside for the humans. And flavorwise, that makes a lot of sense, because the fleet is running and despite the constant threat of being blasted out of the sky by Cylons, the civilians still have time to hold elections, complain about rations and have riots.

Making a Crisis with an upside feels...off to me. I mean, there are some Crises, like the ones that give extra Jump Prep or +1 to a resources or Legendary Discovery that help, but they all carry a risk. You don't get the benefit without committing to a Skill Check and running the risk of losing something.

Crackbone
May 23, 2003

Vlaada is my co-pilot.


If anything was done to the Crisis deck it should probably be adding consequences onto older cards. Exodus introduced the mechanic and then put it on so few cards that it's a non-issue in most games.

General Battuta
Feb 7, 2011

This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.

Yeah, that example I gave was pretty lovely without specifying exactly what the 'something bad' is. I was driving for a crisis which is bad, but which could be ameliorated with trust if you feel like you can trust.

It's pretty lovely. The more I think about it the more complete the current crisis system feels.

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester


Some Numbers posted:

The thing is, Crises are, by design, mostly downside for the humans. And flavorwise, that makes a lot of sense, because the fleet is running and despite the constant threat of being blasted out of the sky by Cylons, the civilians still have time to hold elections, complain about rations and have riots.

Making a Crisis with an upside feels...off to me. I mean, there are some Crises, like the ones that give extra Jump Prep or +1 to a resources or Legendary Discovery that help, but they all carry a risk. You don't get the benefit without committing to a Skill Check and running the risk of losing something.

Eh, I think there is room for something like the following:


-1 food and draw 2 POL even if it is outside your skillset.

or

Draw a civilian ship and sacrifice it, then all players draw 1 card.


or the like.
---

Yes, you get a guaranteed loss of a resource, but it is a tactical tradeoff for cards. That fits the flavor (hey, lets sacrifice a stripped down civilian ship for some breathing room. Hey, lets give some extra food out to build political goodwill.) and it is a bit more flexibility in the game as well.

Dexanth
Dec 4, 2003

The last thing an ice cream cone ever sees


You know, what I'd do with Consequences is something like remove them from cards entirely, and then any time you get a check with 0 strength in it, like...roll a die and on a 3 or less or something trigger a Consequences effect; maybe make 8 of those so you can D8 them as well.

Some Numbers
Sep 28, 2006

When you're a priest, sometimes you've got to raise a little hell.

Dexanth posted:

You know, what I'd do with Consequences is something like remove them from cards entirely, and then any time you get a check with 0 strength in it, like...roll a die and on a 3 or less or something trigger a Consequences effect; maybe make 8 of those so you can D8 them as well.

So, the rules would be like this?

"Whenever a Skill Check contains a card with a Skill Check icon, roll a die. If 3 or less, roll again and trigger a Consequence according to a chart."

Dexanth
Dec 4, 2003

The last thing an ice cream cone ever sees


Some Numbers posted:

So, the rules would be like this?

"Whenever a Skill Check contains a card with a Skill Check icon, roll a die. If 3 or less, roll again and trigger a Consequence according to a chart."

Yes, pretty much something akin to that.

Presumably since it's a die roll the most severe consequences would be lower down the list.

Some Numbers
Sep 28, 2006

When you're a priest, sometimes you've got to raise a little hell.

Would you save a Strat for the Consequence roll? Seems to me I'd rather use the Strat on the first die roll to preclude the Consequence roll at all.

DontMockMySmock
Aug 9, 2008

To become the moon
Then all the world will be in sight!


That would make me hesitant to play 0-strength cards at all. I think the consequence should be much rarer than 3/8.

Dexanth
Dec 4, 2003

The last thing an ice cream cone ever sees


I just picked random numbers out of my head. It would be 2/8 even, I don't know! Or perhaps 7/8 on the consequences die roll is 'Nothing happens' or who knows!!

Cocks Cable
Jul 11, 2001



Not a bad idea. But maybe instead of a flat die roll, each triggering card adds +1 so if you pile on the TRE or 0 strength cards, you have a better chance of hitting a consequence. Maybe even scale the consequence results in increasingly bad order so the worst possibilities require a higher result.

Dexanth
Dec 4, 2003

The last thing an ice cream cone ever sees


I'd have them do -1 in that scenario, since in BSG higher roll = better, hence SP.

Don't see why TRE would apply in that scenario for the simple resaon of it's already obnoxious and seeing as the mechanic is already going to be anti-human with no compensation there's no reason to double dip!

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General Battuta
Feb 7, 2011

This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.

Okay, I'm an idiot, I play Exodus but I'm not exactly sure what Consequences are. Is this a term for a basic crisis function I should know? Or are we talking about the little 'if someone plays a Skill Check Ability into this crisis, base stars fire'?

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