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ToastyPotato posted:There is a very famous shot from an old movie in which there is a large office that is actually a small set where the background is scaled down and populated by little people for the sake of illusion. My film history is brain farting at the moment and I can't remember the title or the year at the moment. The best example is the climax of Casablanca, which features a flimsy model plane and midgets in jumpsuits. Black and white + fog really sell the illusion. 
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I wanted to say The Apartment, but my brain was in such doubt, and Googling didn't find any images of "the shot" with all the rows of desks and lights which didn't help my doubts either. But yeah, awesome movie.
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| # ? Nov 30, 2011 05:55 |
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Another example is in Superman, when Clark is at his father's funeral. There's a church in the background that's just a 4 foot tall model.
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| # ? Nov 30, 2011 06:44 |
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Maybe Bane doesn't look big because he isn't big yet. He goes toe to toe and gets his rear end handed to him and turns to the venom to gain an upper hand.
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| # ? Nov 30, 2011 20:49 |
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What if they want to do a close up of little people in a movie. Do they use big people and big sets to sell the illusion?
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The Unfetered One posted:What if they want to do a close up of little people in a movie. Do they use big people and big sets to sell the illusion? That's what they did in LOTR, wasn't it? They made big furniture and put the Hobbit actors in them, and filmed the non-Hobbit actors with small furniture and melded the footage
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Mojave posted:Maybe Bane doesn't look big because he isn't big yet. He goes toe to toe and gets his rear end handed to him and turns to the venom to gain an upper hand. I'm sorry but this is akin to "The Joker starts out with makeup, but after a fight ends up perma-white!"
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Speaking of disappointing villain appearances, a picture of The Lizard leaked, following a picture of a Pez dispenser with his likeness on it (which would confirm the image is real). He looks terrible.
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Steve Yun posted:That's what they did in LOTR, wasn't it? They made big furniture and put the Hobbit actors in them, and filmed the non-Hobbit actors with small furniture and melded the footage LOTR did a ton of tricks. Forced Perspective, Using little people, Big sets, small sets, scaled props. In fact, every single prop that was used involving the Hobbits or Gimli were made in two sizes. Scale in relation to humans, and scale in relation to Hobbits/Gimli.
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Jamesman posted:Speaking of disappointing villain appearances, a picture of The Lizard leaked, following a picture of a Pez dispenser with his likeness on it (which would confirm the image is real). Looks fine to me. I've always preferred snout Lizard, but that's a fine version of no snout Lizard.
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Jamesman posted:Speaking of disappointing villain appearances, a picture of The Lizard leaked, following a picture of a Pez dispenser with his likeness on it (which would confirm the image is real). Hmm... maybe if they added a snout so that he would have a somewhat crocodile shaped head like in the comics?
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Jamesman posted:Speaking of disappointing villain appearances, a picture of The Lizard leaked, following a picture of a Pez dispenser with his likeness on it (which would confirm the image is real). Character tries combining reptilian DNA with his own in an effort to get his arm to grow back. Said attempt turns him into a beast. I don't see the problem here, honestly. Did you want him to look like a really, really angry six-foot-tall iguana?
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Jamesman posted:Speaking of disappointing villain appearances, a picture of The Lizard leaked, following a picture of a Pez dispenser with his likeness on it (which would confirm the image is real).  The Amazing Spider-man With John Leguizamo as Ben Reilly. Although I'm not too fond of the leaked image right now, it might look good in motion.
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| # ? Nov 30, 2011 22:30 |
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I think the image would look better if he was wearing his tattered laboratory clothing, and not naked.
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Timby posted:I don't see the problem here, honestly. Did you want him to look like a really, really angry six-foot-tall iguana? Yeah that'd work for me. Basically, they should do the Shed storyline. Happy Noodle Boy fucked around with this message at Nov 30, 2011 around 22:44 |
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:Yeah that'd work for me. Basically, they should do the Shed storyline. That storyline doesn't work without a ton of previous character development for the character, and seeing as this is his first appearance, it wouldn't fly.
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gregday posted:I'm sorry but this is akin to "The Joker starts out with makeup, but after a fight ends up perma-white!" Bane goes between two sizes in the comics, though.
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jscolon2.0 posted:Bane goes between two sizes in the comics, though. When has Nolan ever done anything but the broadest strokes from the comics?
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TheJoker138 posted:When has Nolan ever done anything but the broadest strokes from the comics? Venom is pretty important to his character
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bobkatt013 posted:Venom is pretty important to his character And being immortal and wanting to wipe out 95% of humanity is pretty important to Ra's Al Ghuls character. What's your point? Nolan has no problem with taking things that are in the comics and just going "nah" and doing his own thing. I don't understand why people think it's going to be different this time around, especially with everything we've seen and heard about the character thus far. You are setting yourself up for disappointment.
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| # ? Nov 30, 2011 23:10 |
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Ditko Lizard is the best Lizard design. I prefer no snout. But the leaked footage from Comic Con did have Lizard with a snout. So I'm not sure which way they are going. I hope they dropped the snout.
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Deadpool posted:Ditko Lizard is the best Lizard design. I prefer no snout. But the leaked footage from Comic Con did have Lizard with a snout. So I'm not sure which way they are going. I hope they dropped the snout. I've heard it tossed around he has multiple forms. So I would guess he starts more human, like this/the Ditko version, and by the end has the snout and maybe even the fins.
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TheJoker138 posted:I've heard it tossed around he has multiple forms. So I would guess he starts more human, like this/the Ditko version, and by the end has the snout and maybe even the fins. That would be pretty cool, have him change and mutate over time and get more lizard-like. Kind of like Brundle in Cronenberg's "The Fly", except he chages into a lizard-man hybrid. Jace Madan fucked around with this message at Nov 30, 2011 around 23:21 |
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Jace Madan posted:I think the image would look better if he was wearing his tattered laboratory clothing, and not naked. Yeah, I'm really not sure who they think that image is pandering to other than kids who don't know any better and furries (reptillies?).
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Seems perfectly possible that Bane gets bigger or at least more dangerous as a result of taking some drug. Certainly no reason to argue about it either way since nobody knows.
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mind the walrus posted:Yeah, I'm really not sure who they think that image is pandering to other than kids who don't know any better and furries (reptillies?). Scalies.  He really needs the labcoat.
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I'm amazed they'd ever go without the labcoat. Anyone who's seen a picture of Spider-man villains knows that the white labcoat is like the thing that identifies the Lizard in the sea of other green-colored baddies (Green Goblin, Doc Ock most of the time, The Sandman, Electro most of the time, Mysterio, etc.).
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Ville Valo posted:He really needs the labcoat. I'm glad you said that because it's the first thing I thought of. Where's his Lab coat and purple pants? My childhood!? Argh, I just thought of how cool it would be to have a nice computer so I could mod over a Lab coat from Fallout 3 into Skyrim and make my Argonian into the Lizard. Not that I even know how to do something like that, but I like to dream.
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| # ? Dec 1, 2011 02:07 |
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If they're making Lizard as acrobatic and wall-crawly as Spider-Man, they may have realized early on that lab coats don't work when the person wearing them is upside down.
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The problem with this Lizard is that I would have had no clue who it was if it wasn't said "this is from Spider-Man." Yeah, I get the same thing with Ra's al Ghul and how that departed from appearances, but Spider-Man poo poo sort of needs to be flashy and probably doesn't have to be toned down like many Batman characters did.
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^^^ Honestly from the pic posted I'm reminded most of the Godzilla Brood from the lovely 1998 remake with the face of that dude from the 00s version of The Mummy. Lobok posted:If they're making Lizard as acrobatic and wall-crawly as Spider-Man, they may have realized early on that lab coats don't work when the person wearing them is upside down. I'm probably pulling this out of my rear end but I think some iterations solved that by having the tail "pop" through the lab coat and act as a way to keep the coat on upside-down. Not ideal, but it's not like there's no conceivable workaround.
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Jace Madan posted:That would be pretty cool, have him change and mutate over time and get more lizard-like. Kind of like Brundle in Cronenberg's "The Fly", except he chages into a lizard-man hybrid. What is probably going to happen is as the movie progresses we see him change not just physically but mentally. It will start with snaps of anger and get worse, all the while we see his break down emotionally as he struggles to find a cure because deep down he is a good man. This will build a sympathetic villain for the crowd. In the climax he will have lost all mental function and be a drooling monster. Spider-man will then have a hard choice to make and will eventually have to beat The Lizard to death while crying.
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jscolon2.0 posted:In a world where Lindsay Lohan can appear in Playboy, it's hard to believe a promotional photo for a blockbuster film wouldn't airbrush out an unintentional blemish. I was actually addressing the live shots from filming. I have no idea what's going on in the promo poster, but it's clearly much much worse in the on set shots.
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Jace Madan posted:That would be pretty cool, have him change and mutate over time and get more lizard-like. Kind of like Brundle in Cronenberg's "The Fly", except he chages into a lizard-man hybrid. The problem is that gives the idea that THIS would be the starting point of his transformation. I'd kind of want him to at least be wearing clothes or maybe not having a fully developed tail if that were the case. He just doesn't seem like "The Lizard" to me. There's no character to him by literally stripping him down into what looks more to me like a naked snake-man than anything.
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He reminds me of Cobra Commander in GI Joe the movie.
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I don't think whatever the comics I've haven't read do with him matters. I don't think a deep analysis is needed. That lizard looks dumb as bell. Scyfy original movies have better looking monsters than that. There's no excuse for a billion dollar cape film to have a monster that looks worse than a rubber suit.
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ToastyPotato posted:I wanted to say The Apartment, but my brain was in such doubt, and Googling didn't find any images of "the shot" with all the rows of desks and lights which didn't help my doubts either. But yeah, awesome movie. I got this movie from Netflix, since I liked Jack Lemon. I didn't ready anything about and just started watching it. I kept waiting for it to get funny... 
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Jerk McJerkface posted:I got this movie from Netflix, since I liked Jack Lemon. I didn't ready anything about and just started watching it. I kept waiting for it to get funny... Agreed, that movie was the epitome of . Didn't expect the ending at all.
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gregday posted:I'm sorry but this is akin to "The Joker starts out with makeup, but after a fight ends up perma-white!" It's not like that at all. It's closer to Blonsky increasing the dosage of gamma serum in the Incredible Hulk in an effort to gain more power after Hulk kicked his rear end.
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MinibarMatchman posted:The problem with this Lizard is that I would have had no clue who it was if it wasn't said "this is from Spider-Man." Yeah, I get the same thing with Ra's al Ghul and how that departed from appearances, but Spider-Man poo poo sort of needs to be flashy and probably doesn't have to be toned down like many Batman characters did. This version of the Lizard doesn't look flamboyant enough for a Spidey villain, in my opinion. He looks more like a naked Prince Xizor from a Shadows of the Empire movie.
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