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Professor Clumsy
Sep 12, 2008


Count 'em.

I am working on a Batman thread. There will be rules. Lots of rules.

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Hanks Lust Cafe
Mar 18, 2011



Ok that ASM trailer looks loving sharp.


e. sharp, much like the edge of a mirror

Hanks Lust Cafe fucked around with this message at Jul 19, 2011 around 13:00

Djolly
May 4, 2011

war. on drugs.


I guess I was kinda hoping the Spider Man trailer would be less blockbustery. Even though I thought 500 days of Summer was a piece of poo poo, a Spiderman movie with a smaller, more personal vibe would be great - something where we really got in Peter's head, with the science and super-villainy seen through his (limited) perspective.

One thing that I love about Ditko/Lee Spiderman is that it's almost an affectionate parody of Superheroes - Peter Parker is just a teenager trying to care for his family and pay his debts, but assholes dressed like zoo animals and lightning keep showing up to try and rob banks. Like all teenagers, Spidey is just trying to learn to rules of an insane adult world.

And then he gets beaten up by a pudgy guy with metal arms.

Codependent Poster
Oct 20, 2003

Emergency induction port.

Spidey trailer is gone. Anyone got a new one?

massive spider
Dec 6, 2006

sets off a "weirdly specific fetish artwork" vibe

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKCaoqO_aJ0

Codependent Poster
Oct 20, 2003

Emergency induction port.

I'm liking the trailer. It was good to save the big reveal for the end.

Also this pretty much confirms that the "this fits in with the other movies!" line was bullshit.

mistermojo
Jul 3, 2004



Why do they even need to reboot Spider Man? If they wanted to start a new series, they don't need to show us the same old origin story again

Lizard Combatant
Sep 29, 2010



mistermojo posted:

Why do they even need to reboot Spider Man? If they wanted to start a new series, they don't need to show us the same old origin story again

Disregarding anomalies like the Hulk, I'll bet this will set the precedent for how long studios 'have' to wait before they can reboot a successful franchise. Expect these waiting times to decrease too.

Yannick_B
Oct 11, 2007


mistermojo posted:

Why do they even need to reboot Spider Man? If they wanted to start a new series, they don't need to show us the same old origin story again

They wanted to make it younger and different.

Eh! Frank
Mar 28, 2006


I'm not liking how much of that was devoted to origin. We all know how Spider-Man got his powers, we don't need to see it yet again. Hopefully it's not an indication of how much of the actual movie will be devoted to his origin story.

Paul Allen
Sep 22, 2004

Is that a raincoat?



mistermojo posted:

Why do they even need to reboot Spider Man? If they wanted to start a new series, they don't need to show us the same old origin story again

I gotta say I love that they're rebooting it. Reboot the whole franchise every 10 years for all I care! Each new director will try to do something different with the origin, villains, character struggles, etc. to differentiate their work from the previous incarnations, and that can equal some really interesting takes on the Spider-Man world. Seems like they might take the same route with Batman, and I'm all for that.

Why NOT reboot Spider-Man? should be the question.


Djolly posted:

I guess I was kinda hoping the Spider Man trailer would be less blockbustery. Even though I thought 500 days of Summer was a piece of poo poo, a Spiderman movie with a smaller, more personal vibe would be great - something where we really got in Peter's head, with the science and super-villainy seen through his (limited) perspective.

One thing that I love about Ditko/Lee Spiderman is that it's almost an affectionate parody of Superheroes - Peter Parker is just a teenager trying to care for his family and pay his debts, but assholes dressed like zoo animals and lightning keep showing up to try and rob banks. Like all teenagers, Spidey is just trying to learn to rules of an insane adult world.

And how exactly do you already know it won't be like this?

Paul Allen fucked around with this message at Jul 19, 2011 around 14:04

E the Shaggy
Mar 29, 2010


Eh! Frank posted:

I'm not liking how much of that was devoted to origin. We all know how Spider-Man got his powers, we don't need to see it yet again. Hopefully it's not an indication of how much of the actual movie will be devoted to his origin story.

Incredible Hulk had the best example of retelling an origin story. Simply flashes of the origin happening during the title credits.

Who the hell doesn't know Spiderman's origin at this point?

PriorMarcus
Oct 16, 2008



I'm glad that this is an environment where you feel free to fail.


Maybe they are telling the origin story because they have an interesting story to build around it, regardless of it having been told before.

I don't care that it's the origin, so long as its a good film.

mistermojo
Jul 3, 2004



Paul Allen posted:

I gotta say I love that they're rebooting it. Reboot the whole franchise every 10 years for all I care! Each new director will try to do something different with the origin, villains, character struggles, etc. to differentiate their work from the previous incarnations, and that can equal some really interesting takes on the Spider-Man world. Seems like they might take the same route with Batman, and I'm all for that.

What interesting take on the Spider Man world? Unless he doesn't get bitten by a spider, his uncle doesn't die and he doesn't ultimately accept his responsibility, it's going to be the same old story with a few minor differences and new actors.

Yannick_B
Oct 11, 2007


mistermojo posted:

What interesting take on the Spider Man world? Unless he doesn't get bitten by a spider, his uncle doesn't die and he doesn't ultimately accept his responsibility, it's going to be the same old story with a few minor differences and new actors.

You can have different takes and tones on the same story.

massive spider
Dec 6, 2006

sets off a "weirdly specific fetish artwork" vibe

I would actually be fine with seeing the origin again if they cut out the wrestling bullshit.

Yes I know thats how its supposed to go: wrestling, mugger, uncle dies but please, switch it up a bit somehow for the love of god.

massive spider fucked around with this message at Jul 19, 2011 around 14:49

Deadpool
Apr 28, 2002

Mercenary? I prefer "Well-Compensated Establishment Provocateur."



Three Red Lights posted:

I would acyually be fine with seeing the origin again if they cut out the wrestling bullshit.

Yes I know thats how its supposed to go: wrestling, mugger, uncle dies but please, switch it up a bit somehow for the love of god.

In the Ultimate version he still did the wrestling but the mugger came about a different way.

Looks like Gwen is possibly working as a lab assistant or volunteer for Connors in this movie. Which tells me someone may have been watching Spectacular Spider-Man. Which is definitely a good thing. I liked the first person shot of Spidey as well. That should be fun in 3D. I wonder if the trailer will be in 3D in front of Cap, that would be pretty awesome.

Crows Turn Off
Jan 7, 2008

turn in your old, worn-out for the war effort

I have nothing but low expectations for The Amazing Spider-Man. But that trailer wasn't bad and the first-person view at the end was really neat. I still think the mechanical web-shooters are dumb as hell.

I also had similarly low expectations for X-Men: First Class, though.

hog wizard
Feb 16, 2005

by angerbeet


That Spider-man trailer looked awful.

Scroto Baggins
May 18, 2007

Bruce Wayne is a late bloomer. We can relate to late blooming because as an audience many of us did not have sex until our early 30s.

I enjoyed the Spidey trailer, but I really hope the origin doesn't eat up too much time. I can barely watch Raimi's SM1 any more because of the ol' origin hour.

qbert
Oct 23, 2003

It's both thrilling and terrifying.

Anyone have a decent link to that Avengers trailer?

thrawn527
Mar 27, 2004

Thrawn 2012
Studying the art of terrorists
To keep you safe

qbert posted:

Anyone have a decent link to that Avengers trailer?

If by decent you mean working, then here: http://gizmodo.com/5822377/the-aven...ked-and-its-rad.

If by decent, you mean one that actually looks good, then I don't think that exists yet, but it probably will by this weekend.

Arkane
Dec 19, 2006

Wanna fight?


I like the Spidey teaser more than the TDKR teaser, that's for drat sure. July of 2012 is gonna be pretty, pretty, pretttttttty good.

SlimGoodbody
Oct 20, 2003



hog wizard posted:

That Spider-man trailer looked awful.

Look how edgy you are!

Happy Noodle Boy
Jul 3, 2002

Don't fuckle with Shuckle(s)

Like that other Shuckle, but different.


SlimGoodbody posted:

Look how edgy you are!

I'm with him on that. It seems a considerable amount of the movie is being devoted to Spidey's origin which is loving ridiculous.


Yannick_B posted:

You can have different takes and tones on the same story.

It's still the same loving story. There's so many stories you can show involving Spider-man but nope, we get an origin and goblim. Again. The first person view I'll reserve judgement until I see it this weekend on the big screen but it looks like a really uninspired Mirror's Edge segement. There's nothing, absolutely nothing about the teaser that made me go "this will be good".

SlimGoodbody
Oct 20, 2003



Happy Noodle Boy posted:

I'm with him on that. It seems a considerable amount of the movie is being devoted to Spidey's origin which is loving ridiculous.


It's still the same loving story. There's so many stories you can show involving Spider-man but nope, we get an origin and goblim. Again. The first person view I'll reserve judgement until I see it this weekend on the big screen but it looks like a really uninspired Mirror's Edge segement. There's nothing, absolutely nothing about the teaser that made me go "this will be good".

Goblin? I thought we were getting the Lizard?

enigma105
Mar 16, 2004

Dodge, Dip, Duck,
Dive, and Down


Happy Noodle Boy posted:

I'm with him on that. It seems a considerable amount of the movie is being devoted to Spidey's origin which is loving ridiculous.


It's still the same loving story. There's so many stories you can show involving Spider-man but nope, we get an origin and goblim. Again. The first person view I'll reserve judgement until I see it this weekend on the big screen but it looks like a really uninspired Mirror's Edge segement. There's nothing, absolutely nothing about the teaser that made me go "this will be good".

I hope the point of the trailer was to set up the "OMG Spider-Man!" reveal. If you watch it in the theater without the knowledge that it's for Spider-Man, then it works as a slow build up. Until the Spider bite reveal, it could be a generic sci-fi movie. Even the name Peter Parker is split up in such a way that if you weren't expecting it, you might miss out. Once the bite happens though, it's *boom* Spider-Powers->parkour->reveal.

I hope they skim the origin as well, but that trailer isn't really a good measure. It's really just to get people going "OMG, Spider-Man!" at the end.

Deadpool
Apr 28, 2002

Mercenary? I prefer "Well-Compensated Establishment Provocateur."



SlimGoodbody posted:

Goblin? I thought we were getting the Lizard?

We are. There's no Goblin in the movie.

Scroto Baggins
May 18, 2007

Bruce Wayne is a late bloomer. We can relate to late blooming because as an audience many of us did not have sex until our early 30s.

SlimGoodbody posted:

Goblin? I thought we were getting the Lizard?

Form what I understand, we are getting Lizard and a "Death of Captain Stacy"-like storyline. I'm not too thrilled about the retelling of the origin, and I already hate myself for going to see this next summer.

Jamesman
Nov 19, 2004

"First off, let me start by saying curly light blond hair does not suit Hyomin at all. Furthermore,"


Deadpool posted:

We are. There's no Goblin in the movie.

That depends on your opinion of Andrew Garfield.

Jack Skeleton
Dec 7, 2006


Eh! Frank posted:

I'm not liking how much of that was devoted to origin. We all know how Spider-Man got his powers, we don't need to see it yet again. Hopefully it's not an indication of how much of the actual movie will be devoted to his origin story.

Replace Spiderman with Batman and you have yourself my complaints before Begins. In that case, I think it was shown that it was worth sitting through his origins yet again.

PriorMarcus
Oct 16, 2008



I'm glad that this is an environment where you feel free to fail.


Scroto Baggins posted:

Form what I understand, we are getting Lizard and a "Death of Captain Stacy"-like storyline. I'm not too thrilled about the retelling of the origin, and I already hate myself for going to see this next summer.

Don't see it then.

For example I hate hearing everyone swoon over Christopher Nolan, so while I'll watch the new Batman film I'll be avoiding the thread about it and any fan discussions in real life.

Easy.

Jamesman posted:

That depends on your opinion of Andrew Garfield.

Yeah, he is a really ugly gu... Oh. No he isn't.

What don't you like about Andrew Garfield?

Geno
Apr 26, 2004
STUPID
DICK


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S46D...player_embedded

watch while it's still up

MinibarMatchman
Jun 1, 2011

Insect posse
will be crushed

If anything, the trailer makes this movie look even darker than the original. Goddamnit why do we need a grittier movie? Spider-Man needs to be more like the animated series they had in the 90's. Hell, used the same theme song from that show, too. No more "epic" scores. Save that poo poo for Thor. Spider-Man needs to be about frenetic, nonstop fun; save the soul-searching for the inevitable 3rd movie in a trilogy. Save that for Kraven The Hunter or something.

Yannick_B
Oct 11, 2007


Happy Noodle Boy posted:

It's still the same loving story. There's so many stories you can show involving Spider-man but nope, we get an origin and goblim. Again. The first person view I'll reserve judgement until I see it this weekend on the big screen but it looks like a really uninspired Mirror's Edge segement. There's nothing, absolutely nothing about the teaser that made me go "this will be good".

It might be similar, but it might also be a pretty different story. Ultimate Spider-Man 1 through 6 are different from Amazing Fantasy #15.
I know we all love trying to reduce movies to short cutting statements so we can all sound so smart but even if its a similar story/plot the whole movie might feel entirely different and worth watching.

api call girl
Aug 1, 2004



Jack Skeleton posted:

Replace Spiderman with Batman and you have yourself my complaints before Begins. In that case, I think it was shown that it was worth sitting through his origins yet again.

Except we hadn't seen Batman's origin story on film in pretty much forever (they skimmed it even in the 1989 Batman). This one is going to be exactly 10 years after we last saw it.

Making it a Spiderman from a different comic run and showing us the slightly different origin story from that isn't going to help.

SlimGoodbody
Oct 20, 2003



Yannick_B posted:

It might be similar, but it might also be a pretty different story. Ultimate Spider-Man 1 through 6 are different from Amazing Fantasy #15.
I know we all love trying to reduce movies to short cutting statements so we can all sound so smart but even if its a similar story/plot the whole movie might feel entirely different and worth watching.

Pssh, no way dude, I'm so sick of Man vs. Man, Man vs. Nature, Man vs. Machine, and Man vs. Self stories. Everything Hollywood does these days is just some rearranging of those tropes. Why don't they come up with something different GOD

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

DAMMIT WESLEY!!!


I wasn't that impressed, but I wasn't able to see a whole lot of the first half of the trailer.

I'm not sold on going with just Lizard for this movie, plus the fact that we're yet again devoting a lot of time to the origin. Except this time we see Spidey's parents.

hog wizard
Feb 16, 2005

by angerbeet


SlimGoodbody posted:

Look how edgy you are!

This has nothing to do with being edgy. Sorry you can't accept someone's opinion.

As someone else mentioned, we already had a movie explaining Spider-man's origin. I don't care to see more of it told in a different light. Just like how I don't give a poo poo to watch a movie about how Superman came about.

Batman is a little bit different because he doesn't have super powers so we can't chalk everything up as "oh, he can just react really fast to punches and kicks so that's why he can fight people." It was interesting to see him getting trained by Ra's. But even then, I didn't care for Batman's parents getting killed and knowing why Bruce became Batman.

Everyone knows the background, and, frankly, I think it's a mistake to re-tell the story.

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SuperMechagodzilla
Jun 9, 2007

Sightless.
Soulless.
Mindless.


Spiderman isn't a real person, so different versions of the character require different origins to explain what makes them unique.

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