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TheJoker138
Jan 1, 2008

The Clown Prince
Of Crime


TOOT BOOT posted:

I'm okay with using nazis as generic bad guys or whatever, I just don't think the attempted extermination of an entire of people in the real world is a situation for superman to handle or whatever.

It's kind of a major part of Magneto's character though, you know.

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Evil Vin
Jun 14, 2006

♪ Sing everybody "Deutsche Deutsche"
Vaya con dios amigos! ♪


Ugh I really HATE the idea of superhero reboots and we got two coming next year with Spider-Man and Superman. It's not so much as I loved their worlds (I'm sort of ambivalent), but I don't want to go through origins. They're so boring and they're all the same with a character learning to live with his powers, I want ten years into a superhero's life where he's already awesome, but at the same time he can still be human.

I think Thor is the only superhero type film that starts out with the hero who doesn't have to learn to use powers or build a suit and train. He's already awesome and a god and all. I guess the X-Men films may also fall into this category but they too have new members who are learning.

Also regarding Spider-Man I really don't want high school drama Spider-Man, I hated those scenes in the last Spider-Man movies.

TheJoker138
Jan 1, 2008

The Clown Prince
Of Crime


Evil Vin posted:

Ugh I really HATE the idea of superhero reboots and we got two coming next year with Spider-Man and Superman. It's not so much as I loved their worlds (I'm sort of ambivalent), but I don't want to go through origins. They're so boring and they're all the same with a character learning to live with his powers, I want ten years into a superhero's life where he's already awesome, but at the same time he can still be human.

I think Thor is the only superhero type film that starts out with the hero who doesn't have to learn to use powers or build a suit and train. He's already awesome and a god and all. I guess the X-Men films may also fall into this category but they too have new members who are learning.

Also regarding Spider-Man I really don't want high school drama Spider-Man, I hated those scenes in the last Spider-Man movies.

My guess is neither of those movies are going to be origin movies. Spider-Man's is only being done in flashback, and I bet Superman has a very small one, if any at all.

Yannick_B
Oct 11, 2007


TheJoker138 posted:

My guess is neither of those movies are going to be origin movies. Spider-Man's is only being done in flashback, and I bet Superman has a very small one, if any at all.

Superman is bound to be more the creation of his superhero identity rather than "hey I have powers!".

Evil Vin
Jun 14, 2006

♪ Sing everybody "Deutsche Deutsche"
Vaya con dios amigos! ♪


TheJoker138 posted:

My guess is neither of those movies are going to be origin movies. Spider-Man's is only being done in flashback, and I bet Superman has a very small one, if any at all.

I hope so. Because it just turns me off from seeing them. Also I hope Superman has an actual real challenge in his movie other than lol kryptonite.

muscles like this?
Jan 17, 2005

BOGGLE?



Just saw a commercial for Cap showing some of the "present" stuff. Which seems kind of odd to be doing before the movie comes out.

randombattle
Oct 16, 2008

This hand of mine shines and roars! It's bright cry tells me to grasp victory!



Evil Vin posted:

I hope so. Because it just turns me off from seeing them. Also I hope Superman has an actual real challenge in his movie other than lol kryptonite.

Yeah Superman I would be less worried about but Spiderman good god I don't want to see the origin anymore. Just begin the movie with Spiderman going "Hey it's me Spiderman! You know who I am so lets get down to business."

TOOT BOOT
May 25, 2010

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Evil Vin posted:

I hope so. Because it just turns me off from seeing them. Also I hope Superman has an actual real challenge in his movie other than lol kryptonite.

That's the problem with portrayals of Superman in general. It's hard to challenge a guy that's entirely virtuous and only has one contrived weakness.

What you could do is give him a problem that can't be solved with Superpowers, but that defeats the reason people follow Superman to begin with, I guess.

Man of Steel seems to be going a little in that direction by setting part of the movie in Africa, if the leaked synopsis is real.

muscles like this?
Jan 17, 2005

BOGGLE?



I'd imagine there's going to be some kind reboot for Superman since they're going to want to distance themselves from Donner/Singer.

Yannick_B
Oct 11, 2007


TOOT BOOT posted:

That's the problem with portrayals of Superman in general. It's hard to challenge a guy that's entirely virtuous and only has one contrived weakness.

What you could do is give him a problem that can't be solved with Superpowers, but that defeats the reason people follow Superman to begin with, I guess.

They did it in Superman Returns, a lot of people hated it. (Thats not the whole issue, to be fair).
Superman needs problems and conflicts that arent just physical. He can almost always take care of the physical stuff.

The Fuzzy Hulk
Nov 22, 2007

ASK ME ABOUT CROSSING THE STREAMS



I'm excited about Captain America. You see, I've got an 8 year old son. We see all the super-hero movies and he always gets to wear a costume to the movie.

Some examples, and one from last weekend...



Batman, Indiana Jones, Spider-Man, whatever. He gets a lot of attention and loves it. It's just more fun for him (and me too honestly)

Anyway, his Captain America costume is going to be incredible.

Here is my shopping list..

Anakin Starwars gloves, Cap bodysuit, shield, and WWII kids helmet.


When I get all that, I'll paint the helmet matching blue (with the A) and add some real leather pouches. He's already got the perfect boots.

Vargo
Dec 27, 2008

like a record baby

TOOT BOOT posted:

Man of Steel seems to be going a little in that direction by setting part of the movie in Africa, if the leaked synopsis is real.

But Superman doesn't know what he's doing in Africa...

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003

God damn it get a new avatar already.

muscles like this? posted:

Just saw a commercial for Cap showing some of the "present" stuff. Which seems kind of odd to be doing before the movie comes out.

I haven't seen anything set in the present yet. What are you watching and are you sure of it?

TOOT BOOT
May 25, 2010

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Yannick_B posted:

They did it in Superman Returns, a lot of people hated it. (Thats not the whole issue, to be fair).

I think it was just a bad movie in general, and with the right director and tone you could make a pretty good movie about Superman facing a problem he can't easily fix. Not sure Zack Snyder is that director though.

muscles like this?
Jan 17, 2005

BOGGLE?



Rhyno posted:

I haven't seen anything set in the present yet. What are you watching and are you sure of it?

I was watching Suits on USA and they showed people recovering the crashed vehicle that causes him to be frozen, including a shot of the shield encased in ice.

Dacap
Jul 8, 2008

ME BOSS
YOU NOT


Rhyno posted:

I haven't seen anything set in the present yet. What are you watching and are you sure of it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrG8...player_embedded

Dan Didio
Apr 6, 2009

Should've sent a poet.


Ahhhh. That and the 'brazillians' gag is still my favourite joke from that series.

Ror
Oct 21, 2010

oh my god - it's full of stars!


They said General Zod is in it, so I don't think they'll have any trouble giving Superman some decent fights.

e: also, remember to kneel before Zod.

Ror fucked around with this message at Jul 1, 2011 around 03:25

DFu4ever
Oct 4, 2002



TOOT BOOT posted:

I'm okay with using nazis as generic bad guys or whatever, I just don't think the attempted extermination of an entire of people in the real world is a situation for superman to handle or whatever.

If we had a Superman, it'd be the exact situation we'd want some help with.

Better yet, The Flash.

SlimGoodbody
Oct 20, 2003



The Fuzzy Hulk posted:

I'm excited about Captain America. You see, I've got an 8 year old son. We see all the super-hero movies and he always gets to wear a costume to the movie.

Some examples, and one from last weekend...



Batman, Indiana Jones, Spider-Man, whatever. He gets a lot of attention and loves it. It's just more fun for him (and me too honestly)

Anyway, his Captain America costume is going to be incredible.

Here is my shopping list..

Anakin Starwars gloves, Cap bodysuit, shield, and WWII kids helmet.


When I get all that, I'll paint the helmet matching blue (with the A) and add some real leather pouches. He's already got the perfect boots.

You are a fuckawesome dad. What a fun time to be a kid with geek parents!

Yawgmoft
Nov 15, 2004

"Good."


Ror posted:

They said General Zod is in it, so I don't think they'll have any trouble giving Superman some decent fights.

e: also, remember to kneel before Zod.

You are aware, of course, that the first Superman movie had Zod, right?

Brimmy
Jan 13, 2006

"Never gonna give it up, Adrian."


SlimGoodbody posted:

You are a fuckawesome dad. What a fun time to be a kid with geek parents!

Pretty much what SlimGoodbody said. That's so awesome and your kid is awesome

TheJoker138 posted:

There was the whole arctic suicide with the Captain America cameo that was on the blu ray

Back the gently caress up. I don't have the blu ray. What cameo is this?

stratdax
Sep 14, 2006


I'm kind of curious what they're going to do with Spiderman. I think everybody is kind of Spiderman'd out though - and with Dark Knight Rises coming two weeks afterwards, I think Spiderman is going to be on the lower end of the box office groses. Hopefully the Superman movie can do the character justice. I think Snyder's a good pick for director.

stratdax fucked around with this message at Jul 1, 2011 around 07:00

Fishylungs
Jan 12, 2008


Brimmy posted:

Pretty much what SlimGoodbody said. That's so awesome and your kid is awesome


Back the gently caress up. I don't have the blu ray. What cameo is this?

It's not that major. It's just a red and blue blur in a chunk of ice you can barely see.

Echo Chamber
Oct 16, 2008


Yeah for Green Lantern, I already voiced my opinion that the movie met my low expectations, and ended up being not a good movie.

I'm ambivalent towards a GL sequel, despite generally liking Johns' GL run, because I think sequels are something that needs to be earned after "winning" the audience over with the first movie. I bought a ticket for the first movie despite knowing it was probably going to not be good, and I don't want to defend its existence merely because a sequel would probably be better. I like seeing bad movies tank at the box office.

Also, I hate how origin movies are being defended on grounds that they are indeed the origin and the origin simply needs to be told. Why not give the audience some credit and assume they can infer the backstory? Or simply do a fancy origin montage in the opening credits like in the Incredible Hulk? And simply that they're holding back on these movies a bit too much for sequels (with the obvious teasing) makes me feel like I'm watching a glorified TV show rather than a movie.

Latino Pete
Jul 19, 2008


Brimmy posted:

Back the gently caress up. I don't have the blu ray. What cameo is this?

Blink and you'll miss it, but skip to about 2:15 in the video and you'll see a blurry frozen Cap.

http://youtu.be/h1e6Pd4dQ9Q?t=2m15s

thebardyspoon
Jun 30, 2005


Wonder if that scene of some people finding Cap is going to be at the end before the credits or after the credits. What does that area he's been frozen in look like to you guys? A plane or a submarine or something?

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011

Just bring your ass to where they got me
So you can feel the hand of the dead body

TOOT BOOT posted:


What you could do is give him a problem that can't be solved with Superpowers, but that defeats the reason people follow Superman to begin with, I guess.

That's why I like how Morrison writes Superman. His Superman isn't defined by his superpowers but rather how much he loves mankind and that he would sacrifice himself in a blink of an eye to save it. It's also a good reason to have Darkseid as a villain because he can't be defeated by the use of superpowers alone. In JLU it is Luthor who defeats him with his brains and in Final Crisis he's defeated by Superman wishing for a happy ending.

Zzulu
May 15, 2009


Is this what the general public would want though? Or do they want to see the super man punch the super villain really hard?

Professor Clumsy
Sep 12, 2008


Count 'em.

The Fuzzy Hulk posted:



So, did he enjoy The Happening more for being dressed as The Hulk?

Frederik
Aug 9, 2008


thebardyspoon posted:

Wonder if that scene of some people finding Cap is going to be at the end before the credits or after the credits. What does that area he's been frozen in look like to you guys? A plane or a submarine or something?

It's the beginning. The screewriters have been pretty open about the fact that the movie starts in modern day.

thebardyspoon
Jun 30, 2005


Oh really? I thought I'd been keeping up with developments as they got announced and stuff, I must have missed that. So the entire film might be them finding him and then Nick Fury explaining to Stark or whatever who this guy was, how he got made and the events leading up to the super secret mission that ended with him being frozen? That sounds pretty great to me.

Little Mac
Jan 3, 2006

Super Mario Brothers

Re: The OP and Thor 2

Hercules? Say whaaaa?

Tuxedo Jack
Sep 11, 2001

Hey Ma, who's that band I like? Oh yeah, Hall & Oates.


thebardyspoon posted:

Oh really? I thought I'd been keeping up with developments as they got announced and stuff, I must have missed that. So the entire film might be them finding him and then Nick Fury explaining to Stark or whatever who this guy was, how he got made and the events leading up to the super secret mission that ended with him being frozen? That sounds pretty great to me.

The question is, will he be unfrozen in this film or the beginning of the Avengers?

Cannot wait to see this movie...

The MSJ
May 17, 2010

9CL BRONY SPOTTED


Tuxedo Jack posted:

The question is, will he be unfrozen in this film or the beginning of the Avengers?

Cannot wait to see this movie...

They were filming scenes showing Rogers in present day New York. This was before Avengers began filming and Joe Johnston was directing.

As for Man of Steel, I forgot the source but someone said that Smallville is going to be in the movie for all of 15 minutes. I think the original Superman movie did this too, right?

Speaking of Man of Steel, they are hiring extras to play firefighters and paramedics.
http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/loca...-124771779.html

In other news, Hugh Jackman says The Wolverine will probably start filming in October and comes out a year after that.
http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplayl...release_in_the/

thebardyspoon
Jun 30, 2005


Oh god imagine if they take the scene where he wakes up from Ultimates and use that as the finale for Captain America. Where he wakes up and freaks out thinking it's a Nazi trick, punches out Nick Fury, takes down a load of Shield agents, runs out and sees New York in 2012 (since I doubt they'll do Helicarriers) and then turns around and we see all 5 of the other Avengers are standing ready to take him down and then it cuts to the credits.

E the Shaggy
Mar 29, 2010


thebardyspoon posted:

Wonder if that scene of some people finding Cap is going to be at the end before the credits or after the credits. What does that area he's been frozen in look like to you guys? A plane or a submarine or something?

I'm pretty sure that finding him in the ice will be before the credits. But him waking up in modern times and meeting Nick Fury will happen after the credits.

I really hope that after the credits they show the entire lineup for the Avengers.

Fishylungs
Jan 12, 2008


Matt Cruea posted:

Re: The OP and Thor 2

Hercules? Say whaaaa?

It's magical right?

I'm just screwing with you. The sequel only just started getting written, we have no idea who's in it.


The MSJ posted:

In other news, Hugh Jackman says The Wolverine will probably start filming in October and comes out a year after that.
http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplayl...release_in_the/

I actually completely forgot about this! I should probably add it.

oatgan
Jan 15, 2009

funk is on a roll


Rhyno posted:

Christopher loving Lambert. That just made my night.

Can't you just picture him chuckling at every little thing now?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9wO...feature=related

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General Ironicus
Aug 21, 2008

What a tuber...


The MSJ posted:

As for Man of Steel, I forgot the source but someone said that Smallville is going to be in the movie for all of 15 minutes. I think the original Superman movie did this too, right?

It was a lot longer than 15 minutes, or at least it felt that way. Superman: The Movie is great once they get to metropolis and there's no good reason it should have taken an hour. Save Zod's trial for a flashback in the movie where he matters, pare down the techno-babble about why his superpowers work, skip the books on tape he listened to as an infant, and the last thing a Superman movie needs is a sequence where the football team acts like a dick to Clark.

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