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arioch posted:Except we hadn't seen Batman's origin story on film in pretty much forever (they skimmed it even in the 1989 Batman). This one is going to be exactly 10 years after we last saw it. You're telling me that someone was sitting around saying "Man, I sure don't know how Batman came to be, boy howdy do I want a film to devote some time in telling me how he became batman!" Much like Superman, we already know the basics to their origin and we didn't need a drat movie to tell it. Batman has had no less than 3 different cartoon series out that have covered to some degree his origin. It's public knowledge that his parents got shot.
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Jack Skeleton posted:You're telling me that someone was sitting around saying "Man, I sure don't know how Batman came to be, boy howdy do I want a film to devote some time in telling me how he became batman!" Yeah but you're ignoring what SMG is saying. Batman, Spiderman, whoever are not static characters, and they ain't real people. If we want to see a believable character arc there's nothing wrong with showing the event that literally created that character and started them down their current development path. Then again this is all moot if it's a crappy attempt, at that point I'd just rather see Spiderman crack jokes and beat people up.
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| # ? Jul 19, 2011 20:59 |
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PriorMarcus posted:Don't see it then. It's too late, they hooked me, I want to see it now. Did the same thing for First Class. After Wolverine I refused to see it, but 3 weeks after it was released, it got enough good reviews that I caved.
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Jack Skeleton posted:Much like Superman, we already know the basics to their origin and we didn't need a drat movie to tell it. Batman has had no less than 3 different cartoon series out that have covered to some degree his origin. It's public knowledge that his parents got shot. So what? Yes its public knowledge that his parents got shot. But when you tell stories, you want to put scenes and pictures in them. Sometimes, a guy might want to retell a story in a different style because he wants to in a different way. Sure, you can just go with an origin recap at the beginning, but maybe that doesnt work with the story you want to tell. Its not like the movies really start when the superhero is in costume. There is still a whole bunch of story happening before that, depending on how its told.
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Spidey trailer? Anyone?
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fuckingtest posted:Spidey trailer? Anyone? Do you mean you're looking for it to watch? It's still up here.
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lomzus posted:I love that it already started that you canīt say anything bad about the new Batman movie, thats why I love this thread. Haha. Those complaining about Sam Rami's Spider-Man, this makes his look like Sesame Street in comparison it's so dark and edgy. What the hell? I seriously didn't realize I was watching that trailer at first. I thought it was some Japanese horror flick trailer before it.
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Honestly, the whole point of retelling the origin is probably 2-fold: they want you to take away the correct relevant information, and they want it to be in the forefront of everyone's mind. And besides that, I can guarantee you the public doesn't know what the gently caress the deal was with Peter's parents, they're just always dead. And people always forget too that Peter's smart, people forget Batman just didn't toss money around and *poof* karate lessons makes him a hero, he trained the gently caress out of himself, and everyone knows that Superman's world blew up, but then some wiseass doesn't realize Kal-el's parents *couldn't* just fly off the planet and you have to deal with that. So please, stop complaining about origins. They're very useful for delivering story details that are needed.
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On a totally different note, taken from the BSS movie thread.Madkal posted:I thought that the script for the Superman was done and that they already began filming but it looks like the Superman movie has a new writer. feedmyleg posted:This is very good. Can't speak for the guy's record, but all rumors have pointed to the current script having a garbage third act. I forget, isn't changing writers while filming usually a bad thing?
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Fishylungs posted:I forget, isn't changing writers while filming usually a bad thing? It depends. Sometimes writers leave once their draft is done, sometimes they are hired to be with the production all throughout to facilitate rewrites (which are sometimes big, others its "that guy needs to say an extra thing in the scene"). David Goyer is writing something else right now so they've hired that guy to keep working on it, probably.
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They haven't started filming yet. Actual shooting is supposed to start sometime in August, as far as anything's been reported, they're just building sets. And late-game rewrites can sometimes save a movie. I know John Sayles saved quite a few movies by being brought on just before shooting started to do some script doctoring, and even Donner's Superman, ironically enough, was saved by Tom Mankiewicz being brought on to bring some semblance of sense and tone to the Puzo draft that the Salkinds were betting the movie on. His rewriting went on a bit into the actual production schedule of the movie, from what I remember.
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If I remember my rumors correctly, everyone except Goyer had an issue with something in the script, so this is good news.
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I think you could give 4 people leave to write a Superman story and they'll come back with 6 interpretations and everyone will have something to hate with each of them. He really is a difficult character to make appealing to everyone at once--even though he's always appealing to somebody. I noticed on Newsarama that DC is starting a reprint of the No Man's Land TPBs--in other words the whole "Gotham gets loving destroyed by an Earthquake and the Bat-Family is stuck picking up the pieces" arc that had a lot of highs and lows (pardon the pun). Could this be indication that while Nolan isn't likely doing a No Man's Land adaptation he's going to be taking elements of the story and merging them with Knightfall? Given what little we've seen I'd say it's a fair wager.
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mind the walrus posted:I think you could give 4 people leave to write a Superman story and they'll come back with 6 interpretations and everyone will have something to hate with each of them. He really is a difficult character to make appealing to everyone at once--even though he's always appealing to somebody. Could also just be to feed any burgeoning interest in what this "Bane" guy's all about.
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Burden of proof on Spiderman reboot is why their take on the origin is interesting enough to essentially re-film. Recent reboots, good or bad at least took different plot points. Either the reboot is an origin story, not in the original and the movie is good or vice versa and the movie is terrible. See also : Casino Royale, Batman Begins vs Incredible Hulk, Punisher: Warzone jscolon2.0 fucked around with this message at Jul 19, 2011 around 22:50 |
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Not sure if anybody saw it but I posted at least one reason why they could be doing the origin over:Lobok posted:Seems like they're making the spider bite origin more of a "you did this to yourself, idiot/don't mess with science" deal to be similar to Lizard's origin. In fact, maybe they want it like that to be parallel to more than just the Lizard. To have Pete a bit recklessly responsible for his powers can make him similar to a lot of the villains.
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I think something like 80% of all marvel characters are science accidents and that's 90%+ for spider-man characters. It's a pretty obvious place to go.
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Removing post. Didn't realize I had posted in this forum about Avengers trailer already. Later post has an image from the trailer as well.
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http://news.yahoo.com/brawny-captai...-194607211.html Article on the effects to make Evans look skinny as Steve Rogers.
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Awesome Captain America stuff (that hopefully hasn't been posted before):    
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New Ghost Rider posters are 100% awesome:  http://www.firstshowing.net/2011/fi...t-of-vengeance/ Phantom Spaceman fucked around with this message at Jul 20, 2011 around 00:15 |
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General Ironicus posted:I think something like 80% of all marvel characters are science accidents and that's 90%+ for spider-man characters. It's a pretty obvious place to go. Not merely a science accident but something preventable. The spider bite was a complete fluke and had nothing to do with his hubris, carelessness, or ambition, whereas the villains usually have some responsibility or poetic justice reason for their powers. This new origin could be blurring the line between him and his villains a bit.
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Phantom Spaceman posted:New Ghost Rider posters are 100% awesome: Holy poo poo yes, this already looks like it "gets" the character more than the original did.
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muscles like this? posted:I like how the wing in this kinda doubles as a peace sign. Reminds me of the cover of Johnny Got His Gun by Dalton Trumbo.
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The last one is by the guy who did the awesome Inglorious Basterds alternates, love that style.
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LtKenFrankenstein posted:I like how the wing in this kinda doubles as a peace sign. Reminds me of the cover of Johnny Got His Gun by Dalton Trumbo. In this context, it's the V-for-Victory.
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penismightier posted:In this context, it's the V-for-Victory. Ah, true dat. I was thinking 1945 seemed a bit early for the peace sign.
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Phantom Spaceman posted:New Ghost Rider posters are 100% awesome: Stone cold fantastic. I hope the movie has that exact kind of low-rent, grimy hesher energy going for it.
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| # ? Jul 20, 2011 01:49 |
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Shouldn't there have been reviews out for Captain America by now? Something?
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Gatts posted:Shouldn't there have been reviews out for Captain America by now? Something? There might be an embargo or something as in a related article I read a couple of days ago the author mentioned that he had seen the movie and he thought it was the best Marvel movie so far but the site did not have a review up yet. Edit: Also, those posters will be available for purchase in a limited run at Comic Con.
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There's one out on Rotten Tomatoes by the Village Voice critic, who gave it a negative review, but literally listed no reasons for it, just gave a plot synopsis.
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Is there any where to buy those sweet Captain America pictures? I love the "A is for Victory" one.
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FalseShockWorker posted:Is there any where to buy those sweet Captain America pictures? I love the "A is for Victory" one. Supposedly they'll announce on @MondoNews on Twitter when you can order one and/or they might have some on sale at SDCC.
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muscles like this? posted:Supposedly they'll announce on @MondoNews on Twitter when you can order one and/or they might have some on sale at SDCC. Olly Moss/Mondo posters sell out fast, so you'd better be quick about getting one 
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muscles like this? posted:There might be an embargo or something as in a related article I read a couple of days ago the author mentioned that he had seen the movie and he thought it was the best Marvel movie so far but the site did not have a review up yet. The embargo for CA officially ends in 50 minutes.
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| # ? Jul 20, 2011 03:10 |
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Trailers galore this week! Wow! Captain America looking fantastic in his action shots, Spidey looking all rebooted and origin-like in his, and The Avengers really starting the suspense. My link for the leaked Avengers trailer died, but it looks pretty drat cool. There's a shot of Thor in his costume sans sleeves and cape and good LORD Hemsworth put in some work at the gym.  Towards the end of the trailer, Thor is wearing his solo movie costume with sleeves and all but I thought that having him looking a bit different was a good thing. Mjolnir is the same as his solo movie.
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| # ? Jul 20, 2011 03:16 |
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There was no way they'd change the hammer after all the merch they put out.
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How would you even explain away the fact that Mjolnir looks way different anyway? It'd be like changing the design of Excalibur part of the way through your production. See, I was out drinking mead in celebration of a great victory when I accidentally dropped my ancient artifact of unfathomable magic into Hel's Slidr river. And when I finally pulled it out it looked totally different. Magic, man. loving magic.
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| # ? Jul 20, 2011 04:54 |
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Just saw Captain America. Best movie Marvel has made yet. Better than Iron Man. I came in with low expectations too, only to have Joe Johnston surpass The Rocketeer! drat, I'm on such a high right now. This is without a doubt the best possible outcome for telling a Cap America story.
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Fishylungs posted:
Not really. To be honest, it's pretty typical for a film to have the script go through many hands. It brings new eyes and ideas to your script and typically after it gets passed around, it goes back to the original script writer to sand out all those new ideas and make it their own.
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