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I think we all know the one time Superman will kill.
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| # ? Apr 15, 2012 19:03 |
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Soonmot posted:I think we all know the one time Superman will kill. Pay attention Snyder. If it's emotion you're after, boy have we got a screenplay for you.
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| # ? Apr 15, 2012 19:06 |
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Gatts posted:I'm hoping they're using Superman Birthright by Waid and Yu. One of my favorite Superman origin tellings. Yes I agree with this. I loved the way Krypton was handled (Jor-El and Lara not even knowing if Kal-El would reach earth, and the awesome way they found out he would make it). Also, I know that in the new movie and in the comics the Superman suit came from Krypton (I think it was like this in the Donner film too), but I will always miss the concept of Superman's mom making it for him. I don't know why, but having his mom sew him a costume just seems right for the character.
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| # ? Apr 15, 2012 19:46 |
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I think it's funny to imagine Clark's mom sewing and stitching mundane materials all through the night and into the wee morning trying to keep up with Superman's demand for costumes. "No, mom, I told you, that one got shredded off when I flew too fast...no, that one got shot to pieces. Do you have anything more durable than cotton?"
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| # ? Apr 15, 2012 19:57 |
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Zzulu posted:I hate superheroes who refuse to kill no matter what. It seems so saturday morning cartoon. Isn't it enough that Batman refuses to do it? Must Superman also be exactly the same Yeah, the invincible guy should go around killing people who pose no threat to him EDIT: drat, way beaten 
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| # ? Apr 15, 2012 20:57 |
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Soonmot posted:I think we all know the one time Superman will kill. I think there are three times: Darkseid Doomsday Brainiac Leaving aside the usual plot-convenient 'knock-out' to kick the moral question of whether Supes would take them out permanently if he had to (or could) down the road. All three cannot be reasoned with, negotiated with or imprisoned any significant amount of time. All three can level a planet. spikenigma fucked around with this message at Apr 15, 2012 around 21:18 |
| # ? Apr 15, 2012 21:15 |
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spikenigma posted:I think there are three times: Beating Bizarro to death while crying
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| # ? Apr 15, 2012 21:20 |
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spikenigma posted:I think there are three times: You must not be a reader of BSS, goon sir.
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| # ? Apr 15, 2012 21:42 |
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Hollis posted:I would have liked to have seen a follow up by Bryan Singer to Superman Returns. Brand Routh is a good superman Hopefully Man of Steel will move the franchise in a better direction.
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| # ? Apr 15, 2012 21:45 |
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FlamingLiberal posted:I'm afraid you're probably the only one who wants that. I don't think you could have made a more dull superhero movie than Superman Returns. There's a lot of people that will probably disagree with you on the forums, but basically for me I felt it was the only true representation of Superman on screen and probably a "true" superhero story. I mean all the other films you look at them and the characters do superhuman feats , but their not morally superhuman. They have flaws. The movie is literally Superman transcending into becoming a savior figure for mankind. He puts aside emotions of jealously , anger, etc.. to one of love of all. I mean he becomes a enlightened being at the end of the movie. The whole movies about Transcension and fits perfectly in with the Donner film. It's a really awesome movie, I wish more people liked it 
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| # ? Apr 15, 2012 21:56 |
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FlamingLiberal posted:I'm afraid you're probably the only one who wants that. I don't think you could have made a more dull superhero movie than Superman Returns. He's not. Superman Returns owns and I really wish Singer got to make a sequel. I have zero interest in a Superman movie directed by the guy who did 300 and starring the guy from The Tudors.
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| # ? Apr 15, 2012 22:08 |
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LtKenFrankenstein posted:I really wish Singer got to make a sequel.
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| # ? Apr 15, 2012 22:41 |
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I think it would have been a interesting take on the character and would have liked to have seen that further explored, the idea of a morally superhuman god like character interacting with humanity. That would've have most certainly been interesting to watch. I'm curious as to how Man of Steel turns out, with the writers of Dark Knight on boared, Nolan being involved with his concept of bringing Superman to the big screen. It's definitely something I am interested in seeing, Snyder is not a bad director, I don't particularly care for his writing in Sucker Punch but visually it was a interesting movie to watch. I mean he makes pretty kick rear end fight scenes, so having that style applied to a Superman film is something I'm interested in seeing. Also, Snyder tends to get poo poo on and I did not particularly care for the changes in Watchmen overall being dissatisfied with the theatrical release. I think he gets slammed alot because people really ape his style, meaning after 300 came out everyone was doing undercrank overcrank etc... Just like bullettime etc. go copied ad nauseum.
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| # ? Apr 15, 2012 22:52 |
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Timeless Appeal posted:The only way a sequel could work for me is if they extended the New Testament connections even further and presented a Superman equivalent of Revelations. That would be loving awesome. It'd have to feature Darkseid as the Satan/Antichrist figure though.
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| # ? Apr 15, 2012 22:53 |
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LtKenFrankenstein posted:That would be loving awesome. It'd have to feature Darkseid as the Satan/Antichrist figure though. Yeah, Antichrist Darkseid would've been amazing to see. I mean the personification of evil vs. personification of good. That's awesome. Does anyone have figures for Marvels Movies vs. what DC has done. I think Marvel still beats DC at the movies. It's to bad Warner Bros. can't seem to get a handle on it. They really just lucked into Nolan. I mean the only "good" films have been 3. Batman Begins, The Dark Knight, Superman Returns. I can't think of any other movies that were any good ( I loved Tim Burtons Batman when I was kid cause you know BATMAN, but rewatching it it's loving TERRIBLE) Hollis fucked around with this message at Apr 15, 2012 around 22:58 |
| # ? Apr 15, 2012 22:55 |
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Hollis posted:I'm curious as to how Man of Steel turns out, with the writers of Dark Knight on boared, Nolan being involved with his concept of bringing Superman to the big screen.
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| # ? Apr 15, 2012 23:09 |
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After seeing the Raid and how amazing the action and choreography is in that, I wish it were possible to have something similar in the Avengers or Superhero movies. Seeing Captain America have a knock out, drag down fight and move like those guys would seriously give something amazing to see and make his being a Super Soldier feel legit. Or creatively plan out and execute what it would be like to have a powerhouse God face a fighting specialist Super Soldier and man in armor using his resources...gah. Whatever. I hope it's more than simple bash and smash. I get cannon fodder but if they're just tossing aliens around with no weight or effort it'll be less than it could be. Still, different genres and everything and all. But hell, give some asian actors, stunt people, directors, etc. a go if they can produce something amazing. Even an Iron Fist movie.
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| # ? Apr 16, 2012 02:01 |
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Paul Allen posted:I wish you all would stop talking about me and HOW to review movies and just talk about movies. I'm my biggest fan and I'm tired of hearing about me; I can't imagine that anyone else feels different. Sorry if I missed it, but what did you think of the other Marvel movies? I feel like your answer to that will help others see if they have similar taste.
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| # ? Apr 16, 2012 02:39 |
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Darkseid is! (too much for any movie) Seriously though, the idea of Darkseid, what he represents, and how the only real reaction you should have when encountering him is abject terror and powerlessness... I don't know anyone who could pull it off, from a directing standpoint. He's too important to gently caress up, so I'm fine with him not appearing on the big screen.
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| # ? Apr 16, 2012 04:16 |
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Hollis posted:Yeah, Antichrist Darkseid would've been amazing to see. I mean the personification of evil vs. personification of good. That's awesome. As long as he gets beaten by Superman singing
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| # ? Apr 16, 2012 04:44 |
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Here's a question for people who have actually seen The Avengers. How does it deal with its world's politics? I found the other films--with maybe the exception of The Incredible Hulk, although it leaned really heavily on the military industrial complex so nevermind--to be extremely political in nature. Which movies is The Avengers more inline with, or does it build and expand its own ideas?
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| # ? Apr 16, 2012 04:50 |
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Hollis posted:Does anyone have figures for Marvels Movies vs. what DC has done. I think Marvel still beats DC at the movies. It's to bad Warner Bros. can't seem to get a handle on it. They really just lucked into Nolan. I mean the only "good" films have been 3. Batman Begins, The Dark Knight, Superman Returns. I can't think of any other movies that were any good ( I loved Tim Burtons Batman when I was kid cause you know BATMAN, but rewatching it it's loving TERRIBLE) Marvel has quantity over quality. Keeping in mind that I love Hulk, Ghost Rider 2, and Kick-rear end, nearly twice as many live-action films have been based on Marvel comics than on DC comics. Yet DC is indirectly responsible for more stone-cold classics, like Superman, Batman Returns, Superman Returns, Watchmen, and the Nolan films. Hulk and Kick-rear end are pretty much the only 'Marvel' films that rival those for greatness, with Ghost Rider 2 closing in at third place. Marvel properties are more consistently mediocre, while DC mostly alternates between the amazing and the godawful.
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| # ? Apr 16, 2012 05:28 |
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Marvel properties are more consistently mediocre, while DC mostly alternates between the amazing and the godawful. That's actually pretty true of their comics as well.
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| # ? Apr 16, 2012 05:44 |
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The best of the DC movies are better than the best of the Marvel movies without a doubt. Donner's Superman and Nolan's Batman films are better than anything based on a Marvel property. Beyond that DC's other best are on par with the best of Marvel. The worst of Marvel though doesn't compare with the worst of DC's output. Elektra is easily the worst Marvel film (if we ignore lovely low budget stuff like the first Captain America) and there are at least four DC films worse than that. The other bad Marvel films (Daredevil, FF 1&2, Ghost Rider 1&2, Blade Trinity, Wolverine, The Punisher, Punisher War Zone,) aren't nearly as lovely. They're all just incredibly mediocre.
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| # ? Apr 16, 2012 06:02 |
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Deadpool posted:The best of the DC movies are better than the best of the Marvel movies without a doubt. Donner's Superman and Nolan's Batman films are better than anything based on a Marvel property. Beyond that DC's other best are on par with the best of Marvel. The worst of Marvel though doesn't compare with the worst of DC's output. Elektra is easily the worst Marvel film (if we ignore lovely low budget stuff like the first Captain America) and there are at least four DC films worse than that. The other bad Marvel films (Daredevil, FF 1&2, Ghost Rider 1&2, Blade Trinity, Wolverine, The Punisher, Punisher War Zone,) aren't nearly as lovely. They're all just incredibly mediocre. Before anyone tries to argue with you let me remind the thread that Steel is a DC property.
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| # ? Apr 16, 2012 06:13 |
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Mechafunkzilla posted:Before anyone tries to argue with you let me remind the thread that Steel is a DC property. Yeah, it was one of the four I was referring to when I said that at least four DC films were worse than Elektra. Those being Batman and Robin, Steel, Catwoman, and Jonah Hex. And I personally don't regard The Green Lantern as being much better than those. But at least it can be watched without wondering what drugs were being consumed by those responsible for it. \/\/\/ That one's pretty loving bad, but Elektra and the four above are much worse. Deadpool fucked around with this message at Apr 16, 2012 around 06:23 |
| # ? Apr 16, 2012 06:20 |
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Mechafunkzilla posted:Before anyone tries to argue with you let me remind the thread that Steel is a DC property. So was The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen at the time it was made.
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| # ? Apr 16, 2012 06:20 |
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I enjoyed League for some reason. I mean, it wasn't a good movie by any stretch, but I sat through it once when it was on TV and wasn't bored. Sean Connery chewing the scenery goes a long way I guess.
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| # ? Apr 16, 2012 07:20 |
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I'm sure it's considered blasphemous by some, but I enjoyed the movie of League more than what I've read of the comics (which was up to the end of the War of the Worlds story).
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| # ? Apr 16, 2012 07:34 |
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TetsuoTW posted:I'm sure it's considered blasphemous by some, but I enjoyed the movie of League more than what I've read of the comics (which was up to the end of the War of the Worlds story). I thought the comics were awful, kind of like the comics for Kick-rear end. But unlike Kick-rear end the movie did nothing to improve on them. In fact the movie was terrible too, just in a different way.
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| # ? Apr 16, 2012 07:44 |
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TetsuoTW posted:I'm sure it's considered blasphemous by some, but I enjoyed the movie of League more than what I've read of the comics (which was up to the end of the War of the Worlds story). I've seen some hate for the later books, but they actually get more interesting after the first two. It goes into what people were talking about earlier in this thread, every movie existing in the same "canon". The Black Dossier has James Bond teamed up with Emma Peel, working under Harry Lime (as M or Mother) after the fall of the Big Brother government. 1969 is probably my favourite so far, as it has Jack Carter exploring the world of Performace and sort of tying Brian Jones' death into Turner losing his demon. I honestly hadn't heard of Performance until I read the comic, and it is a brilliant crime film that did come a few years before Get Carter. I'm fairly certain Carter's story ends with him going to take care of some business up north.
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| # ? Apr 16, 2012 07:56 |
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wyoming posted:I've seen some hate for the later books, but they actually get more interesting after the first two. Carter ended with him dead
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| # ? Apr 16, 2012 08:12 |
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bobkatt013 posted:Carter ended with him dead Get Carter is the business up north, Cater's part in 1969 ends were Get Carter begins. I'm pretty sure the tea reading kid even warns him of the trouble ahead, but he still has to go, Performance came before (and influenced) Get Carter.
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| # ? Apr 16, 2012 08:53 |
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Wolfsheim posted:Yeah, the invincible guy should go around killing people who pose no threat to him Isn't the point that the villains do pose a threat to him? And more importantly, to other, innocent people [edit] chiming in to say that Superman Returns was terrible. It was incredibly dull, uninteresting and forgettable
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| # ? Apr 16, 2012 11:46 |
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Mechafunkzilla posted:I enjoyed League for some reason. I mean, it wasn't a good movie by any stretch, but I sat through it once when it was on TV and wasn't bored. Sean Connery chewing the scenery goes a long way I guess. League is just a plainly mediocre movie. People's love for the comics make it "worst movie ever," since it lost so much for that, but it's really just...there.
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| # ? Apr 16, 2012 11:56 |
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Zzulu posted:Isn't the point that the villains do pose a threat to him? And more importantly, to other, innocent people The point of Superman is that he is most interesting when facing problems where the solution isn't just "punch 'em to death." A well-written Superman story approaches things from different angles. There's no one angle that works because different writers approach it different ways. Grant Morrison's All-Star Superman plays up the mythological aspects by literally having Superman perform his own version of Hercules' great labors. Kurt Busiek's Secret Identity is about a version of Superman balancing his humanity and privacy with his need to do good, and what it means for him as an individual. Even The Death of Superman was more about what the loss of a hero means to the world and what that symbol means devoid of the person wearing it than about the fact that Superman beat up a spikey version of The Hulk. The best Superman stories are not those where he beats up the enemy really good. It is the one where he leaves the world a better place at the end for reasons moreso than "because the dude with spikey skin got punched a lot." "Superman kills everyone who gets in his path" is the sort of limited boring poo poo that gives us the shittiest comics out there. And as far as "Well, what happens when they escape", that is stupid comic book bullshit where no hero is allowed to take any action to prevent escape. It's a forced status quo and is only a 'failure' on the hero's part in that the plot demands it happen. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at Apr 16, 2012 around 12:36 |
| # ? Apr 16, 2012 12:32 |
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VanSandman posted:Darkseid is! (too much for any movie) Thats kind of silly, its like saying "you can't adequately convey an idea or emotion in film (like you can a comic book) so its best not to bother"
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| # ? Apr 16, 2012 12:41 |
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I have never seen Superman 'punch anything to death' so it'd still be fresh and interesting to me. In the movies it seems he rarely punches anything to begin with. Of course I haven't read the comics, though. Perhaps that is why I'm more interested in watching this speedo-wearing-weirdo fight things instead of what the people who are well versed in Superman mythology wants to see him do. Zzulu fucked around with this message at Apr 16, 2012 around 12:57 |
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massive spider posted:Thats kind of silly, its like saying "you can't adequately convey an idea or emotion in film (like you can a comic book) so its best not to bother" No don't you get it, a film could never approach a comic book when it comes to representing an unstoppable force of terror  in knee-high boots, nope this is the worst argument.
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| # ? Apr 16, 2012 12:57 |
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| # ? May 23, 2013 02:30 |
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Darkseid is a grey guy with red eyes and stupid clothing and maybe the worst name ever I hope, if they bring him to the screen, they give him some good changes
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