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the_american_dream posted:How is that sexist? Heels are a thing women wear Heels are a thing women wear in certain situations. By their very nature they are impractical as hell and designed for emphasis. The fact that they are actual clothing doesn't mean that they're not ridiculous in certain scenarios where they're included only to be 'sexy.' It's like going "A bikini is something women wear" to justify a chainmail bikini in a fantasy story or something
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the_american_dream posted:How is that sexist? Heels are a thing women wear Hey, that's using logic. None of that!
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ImpAtom posted:Heels are a thing women wear in certain situations. By their very nature they are impractical as hell and designed for emphasis. The fact that they are actual clothing doesn't mean that they're not ridiculous in certain scenarios where they're included only to be 'sexy.' ....its a superhero movie. Men dont wear capes and whatnot when fighting crime and probably wouldnt wear skintight suits either but hey this probably isnt based on a true story I think The goggles and and mask only covering her eyes doesnt make sense either. What is up with her calling herself Catwoman too the_american_dream fucked around with this message at May 26, 2012 around 02:51 |
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the_american_dream posted:....its a superhero movie. Men dont wear capes and whatnot when fighting crime and probably wouldnt wear skintight suits either but hey this probably isnt based on a true story I think Once again, if capes were something that were thought of as being super sexy on a man, then it would be comparable. Skin tight suits sure, but no one in Batman other than Catwoman is wearing a skin tight suit.
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| # ? May 26, 2012 02:49 |
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Guys, that's Bane's foot.
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| # ? May 26, 2012 02:50 |
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the_american_dream posted:....its a superhero movie. Men dont wear capes and whatnot when fighting crime and probably wouldnt wear skintight suits either but hey this probably isnt based on a true story I think That would be fine if it was all equal. They go out of their way to emphasize that, while Batman is ridiculous, every element of his costume is (at least for the purposes of a movie) functional. His goofy rear end ears contain a radio. His cape is also a memory latex parachute. His goofy armor is goofy armor. It's not realistic in the slightest but the emphasis is on trying to make the audience at least pretend his goofy stuff is a reasonable choice. Nobody is going to wear a superhero costume to fight crime, but the movie at least works to make you pretend they do. There's pretty much no way to mix "heels" and "plausible in combat." unless they flip up into the boots or something. (But every screenshot I've seen has them out, even in what are clearly action sequences, so...) If they have some vaugely plausible excuse as for why she needs to run around in heels then I'll eat crow, but I don't have a lot of faith.
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| # ? May 26, 2012 02:51 |
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Thank goodness they removed Superman's exterior underwear for the new movie because I was about to write my senator. Totally unrealistic, impractical, and offensive.
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| # ? May 26, 2012 02:52 |
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TheJoker138 posted:Once again, if capes were something that were thought of as being super sexy on a man, Capes aren't super sexy on men?
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Hanks Lust Cafe posted:Guys, that's Bane's foot. Well in that case it's fine... 
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Impractical? Fine. Sexist? Still no
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| # ? May 26, 2012 02:54 |
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If we know anything about Nolan, we can safely say the movie will wave its hands and say the heeled boots will give Catwoman +1 stealth or something like that. That's how they've treated everything Batman's used to this point.
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| # ? May 26, 2012 02:56 |
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the_american_dream posted:How is that sexist? Heels are a thing women wear Hahaha I don't even know what's real anymore
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| # ? May 26, 2012 02:57 |
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the_american_dream posted:Impractical? Fine. Sexist? Still no Yes, actually. It's giving her a (almost exclusively) "sexy" female design element that serves to actively weaken her design entirely because she's a woman and without any other seeming reason. Heels are a stupid thing to wear in almost all situations and giving them to a female design for no reason beyond her gender is actually one of the crappier sexist things a lot of designers do.
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ImpAtom posted:Yes, actually. It's giving her a (almost exclusively) "sexy" female design element that serves to actively weaken her design entirely because she's a woman and without any other seeming reason. Heels are a stupid thing to wear in almost all situations and giving them to a female design for no reason beyond her gender is actually one of the crappier sexist things a lot of designers do. No. Banana hammocks are something men wear, so clearly Batman should be wearing nothing but a banana hammock the whole movie. And be oiled up and flexing the whole time.
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TheBigBudgetSequel posted:Haha, that poster rules. It's a giant gently caress You to the "Oh god, heels!" people. Which is great, because gently caress those people. The reason there's a debate over heels or Black Widow's tits or any of these things isn't because of the people who reasonably dislike it, it's because of people who are pretending (?) not to have any knowledge of western society or popular culture. Men wear impracticable things too, so it's okay! Heels are just the same as capes, because I have never turned on a TV or been outside my house. American Dream, did you also accept Power Girl's 'leaving my tits hanging out represents the hole in my soul!' thing (aka the worst page in comic book history)?
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| # ? May 26, 2012 03:00 |
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TheJoker138 posted:No. Banana hammocks are something men wear, so clearly Batman should be wearing nothing but a banana hammock the whole movie. And be oiled up and flexing the whole time. That correlation would make more sense if she was wearing the Halle Berry Catwoman suit.
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| # ? May 26, 2012 03:01 |
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Batman DOES have a codpiece. HOW DARE THEY! Sexualizing Bat-Penis like that.
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| # ? May 26, 2012 03:01 |
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Catwoman in Rises really kills me because it seems so out of synch with everything else the Nolan films have established, with their realistic, toned down world. And then you have Catwoman looking like somebody raided Julie Newmar's closet and called it a day. She doesn't look like she belongs in the same world as Batman and the Joker and Gordon and the Gotham City we've gotten to know. The high heels are just the most obvious thing about it, to me.
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| # ? May 26, 2012 03:01 |
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hahahaha I really dont understand this "everything is sexist" kick lately but ok. Basically heels are impractical in all situations (something that was really said) and anything women wear remotely attractive is sexist. Check If I see a woman in heels or open toed shoes Ill be sure and buy her some timbalands to wear instead. Or rather give her the option to buy them herself as not to appear too controlling as a Man
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| # ? May 26, 2012 03:01 |
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MjolnirMan posted:Thank goodness they removed Superman's exterior underwear for the new movie because I was about to write my senator. Totally unrealistic, impractical, and offensive. First off, men and women aren't treated the same by society and this is the gendered equivalent about getting upset that "cracker" isn't held to the same standard as "friend of the family". Ignoring that, Superman's costume was based on circus strongmen of the time and while it might look goofy now there's nothing inherently sexual or exploitative of having his super-briefs on the outside of his tights. High heels, on the other hand, are a hugely impractical and uncomfortable form of footwear that exist first and foremost to be titillating. A character built entirely around being nimble and stealthy wearing high heels is wearing them to be titillating, even if you hand-wave it away with  about how it helps her climb or whatever it's still building an entire character around their sexuality.Nolan has never really been good about female characters; they're almost always supporting character and love interests, with the exception of Ellen Paige in Inception who was just "one of the guys". Catwoman is going to be the first time a female character has had such a prominent and distinct leading role in one of his films, and high heels are just a bad sign.
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SharpyShuffle posted:
I dont know who Power Girl is tbh I dont follow comics like that and im sure that particular thing IS sexist. However heels are a thing women wear IN REAL LIFE not neccessarily to please men
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the_american_dream posted:hahahaha I really dont understand this "everything is sexist" kick lately but ok. Basically heels are impractical in all situations (something that was really said) and anything women wear remotely attractive is sexist. Check If you see a woman who is trying to be stealthy and bad rear end in high heels, then yeah, you should probably ask her if she'd like a better shoe. If she's at say, a fancy dress party, or a wedding or something, no, then she's probably ok in them. See, there's this thing called "context." I know it's a big word, but you should really try and learn about it.
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This thread is awesome when it gets like this anyway, I don't know how anyone could object to heels chat. 'So...you guys are saying that heels, the lightweight and expensive physical objects that can be put on a foot of a woman -or not, if you prefer- are sexist? But how can a THING be sexist?? I don't get it, but okay'
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the_american_dream posted:hahahaha I really dont understand this "everything is sexist" kick lately but ok. Basically heels are impractical in all situations (your words) and anything women wear remotely attractive is sexist. Check The argument isn't that it's sexist to wear attractive clothing. That's a thing literally nobody is saying. The argument that it's sexist to persistently and exclusively emphasize female characters' sex appeal at the expense of all other narrative considerations. It's pretty weird and eyeroll-worthy when the Nolan films take a lot of care to massage Batman's characters to fit a particular aesthetic, and then just kinda drop that ethos with Catwoman so she can have heels and a buttsuit.
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the_american_dream posted:I dont know who Power Girl is tbh I dont follow comics like that and im sure that particular thing IS sexist. However heels are a thing women wear IN REAL LIFE Whereas lowcut tops exist only in bizarre fantasy worlds. Don't stop please.
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If a thing exists in reality, there's no way it can be sexist, is what I'm getting from these posts.
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| # ? May 26, 2012 03:09 |
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TheJoker138 posted:If you see a woman who is trying to be stealthy and bad rear end in high heels, then yeah, you should probably ask her if she'd like a better shoe. If she's at say, a fancy dress party, or a wedding or something, no, then she's probably ok in them. See, there's this thing called "context." I know it's a big word, but you should really try and learn about it. You can debate without being a snarky rear end in a top hat TheJoker138 im aware what context is. But that argument does not apply to a loving movie about superheroes. Nothing anyone wears in the whole loving comic universe makes sense so why get on the loving soapbox about womens rights over honestly the most practical thing the fake catburglar comicbook movie woman is wearing.
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^^^ TheJoker138's natural state of being is snarky. If he stopped, I'm pretty sure he'd stop breathing. Comic Book Movie Shoe Megathread. Catwoman has worn heels in many iterations, so her wearing heels know doesn't surprise or bother me in the slightest. It looks like they updated the Lee Merriweather/Julie Newmar costume from the 60's and I think that's a pretty cool design idea.
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SharpyShuffle posted:Whereas lowcut tops exist only in bizarre fantasy worlds. Well no I will mainly because I dont know what this post has to do with anything but also theres no stopping the sexist train. So you guys keep fighting the good fight. Keep women unsexy in our movies
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| # ? May 26, 2012 03:11 |
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the_american_dream posted:hahahaha I really dont understand this "everything is sexist" kick lately but ok. Basically heels are impractical in all situations (something that was really said) and anything women wear remotely attractive is sexist. Check A character in fictional media is a designed construct, often the work of multiple people. As such, a design inherently says more than "this is something that someone is wearing." This is true for good designs too! A woman wearing something attractive is not inherently a bad thing. A woman wearing something attractive that actively works against her design and the message it is trying to convey for the intent of being attractive? That is actually pretty sexist, yes. the_american_dream posted:Well no I will mainly because I dont know what this post has to do with anything but also theres no stopping the sexist train. So you guys keep fighting the good fight. Keep women unsexy in our movies I have to say I don't understand why a woman can't be sexy without stupid designs, but maybe that's just a wild and implausible idea.
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TheBigBudgetSequel posted:Comic Book Movie Shoe Megathread. Why, though. Can you explain how a look from the 1960s heavily based on go-go dancing is appropriate or cool in these grounded, gritty, realistic movies that specifically exclude or tone down villains with superpowers or origins based in unrealistic science? Im seriously trying to comprehend how anybody could think this look vibes with the established Nolan aesthetic and the fact that it's foisted upon the only woman in the series to get to wear a costume makes accusations of sexism seem pretty valid. Maybe if they had asked Heath Ledger to grow out a moustache so they could put white greasepaint over it, we wouldn't be having this conversation now.
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TheBigBudgetSequel posted:^^^ TheJoker138's natural state of being is snarky. If he stopped, I'm pretty sure he'd stop breathing. This is actually scarily true. But, American_Dream, no one is arguing about women being unsexy in all movies or something, and I'm sorry but context IS a huge thing in these particular super hero movies. Because they have put everything that every character wears into context in the past. They explained why Batman has pointy ears, even. They explained why Joker wears a purple suit. It all fits. Catwoman wearing heels, even with razors on them (because you can't just put razors on a normal shoe, I guess?) don't fit the context of the universe that has been established.
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High heels arent a stupid design is my point my man. I mean honestly. I can believe an alien man invulnerable to bullets and is powered by the sun can fly and protect Earth Ill believe a rich man dresses as a bat and uses it as a symbol of vengeance and fights an anarchist clown but a burglar in high heels? you lost me Honestly if youre going off Nolan's whole more realistic Batverse concept the whole Catwoman arch doesnt fit at all, drat the shoes
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Travis343 posted:Why, though. Can you explain how a look from the 1960s heavily based on go-go dancing is appropriate or cool in these grounded, gritty, realistic movies that specifically exclude or tone down villains with superpowers or origins based in unrealistic science? I'll give you grounded and gritty, but realistic? Dark Knight was the furthest thing from realistic.
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Its a good thing comics are so objectively ridiculous otherwise sexist idiots wouldn't have a convenient false equivalency argument to resort to
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In a series where microwave emitters can vaporize the city's water supply, and a madman can get hundreds of gallons of gasoline to two different warehouses with no one noticing, I am pretty sure realism doesn't matter a loving ounce.
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Travis343 posted:Its a good thing comics are so objectively ridiculous otherwise sexist idiots wouldn't have a convenient false equivalency argument to resort to Thats an awesome red title my dude
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therealjon_ posted:I'll give you grounded and gritty, but realistic? Dark Knight was the furthest thing from realistic. The word he was looking for is actually verisimilitude. Anyone who thinks the Batman movies have been realistic is crazy, but they have verisimilitude that makes them act as a cohesive thing so that you can suspend your disbelief while watching them. The heels break that.
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For some reason we find it easy to agree that it's stupid for dudes to have costumes like this: But if it's a female character, out come the "it's not a realistic movie so design decisions don't matter ever" justifications.
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TheJoker138 posted:The word he was looking for is actually verisimilitude. Anyone who thinks the Batman movies have been realistic is crazy, but they have verisimilitude that makes them act as a cohesive thing so that you can suspend your disbelief while watching them. The heels break that. Well said. Almost every ridiculous and unrealistic aspect of Batman's costume has at least expended some effort to explain it (his bat ears are insulating his radio, his arm-spikes are ninja gear he was trained to use, etc), and even Catwoman's costume has similar thought put into it with the way that her cat-ears are her goggles pushed up onto her head. Which makes the heels stand out all the more.
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