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It would be great if Willum Dafoe played Iron Patriot. And we get another look at that creepy painting of himself from Spider-Man 2.
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So every Iron Man movie is going to involve him fighting another Iron man? :/
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the_american_dream posted:So every Iron Man movie is going to involve him fighting another Iron man? :/ It's either that OR he fights a racist caricature with "magic" rings. Or a big loving dragon.
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TheBigBudgetSequel posted:It's either that OR he fights a racist caricature with "magic" rings. Or a big loving dragon. Can it be a racist dragon?
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| # ? May 31, 2012 16:54 |
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the_american_dream posted:So every Iron Man movie is going to involve him fighting another Iron man? :/ Every superhero's villains tend to be dark or distorted versions of themselves. Spider-Man fights animal-people, Batman fights crazy people in costumes, the X-Men fight mutants, Captain America fights evil soldiers and Iron Man fights other guys in suits. (And/or outdated racist stereotypes, so robots.)
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| # ? May 31, 2012 17:04 |
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That's one of the factors that makes the Marvel films so stale and formulaic, though. I'd much rather see Iron Man fight an ancient Godzilla-esque dragon with an idiotic name.
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| # ? May 31, 2012 17:12 |
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Isn't Modok an iron man villain? He should fight a modok.
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| # ? May 31, 2012 17:14 |
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Yonic Symbolism posted:Isn't Modok an iron man villain? He should fight a modok. He's more of a Captain America villian (which is kind of weird, but that's Marvel for you) I agree. Dear Iron Man, fight a modok.
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| # ? May 31, 2012 17:15 |
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Modok in a live-action film would be loving terrifying. It must be done.
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| # ? May 31, 2012 17:33 |
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ImpAtom posted:Every superhero's villains tend to be dark or distorted versions of themselves. Spider-Man fights animal-people, Batman fights crazy people in costumes, the X-Men fight mutants, Captain America fights evil soldiers and Iron Man fights other guys in suits. (And/or outdated racist stereotypes, so robots.) Counterpoint: the Flash. His rogues are all really fuckin' weird and mostly have nothing to do with speed.
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ImpAtom posted:Every superhero's villains tend to be dark or distorted versions of themselves. Spider-Man fights animal-people, Batman fights crazy people in costumes, the X-Men fight mutants, Captain America fights evil soldiers and Iron Man fights other guys in suits. (And/or outdated racist stereotypes, so robots.) That ignores all of the villains that don't fit those categories. Venom, Green Goblin, Shocker, Electro and Sandman are not animal-people, Spider-Man villains always seemed to be scientific fuckups or accidents to me like him, which I suppose proves your point of most of the villains being dark versions of the hero. Half of the villains the X-Men fight are racist human forces like Stryker, Senator Kelly or the Sentinels. Or aliens but those issues of X-Men are always a bit weird. thebardyspoon fucked around with this message at May 31, 2012 around 17:50 |
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Mechafunkzilla posted:Counterpoint: the Flash. His rogues are all really fuckin' weird and mostly have nothing to do with speed. While the rogue's gallery is cool as a concept, Reverse Flash/Professor Zoom is probably the most iconic Flash villain for a reason. The RG work because of how they function in a larger universe. They'd be great for a TV show, but a movie? You really need a thematically strong villain.
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thebardyspoon posted:That ignores all of the villains that don't fit those categories. Venom, Green Goblin, Shocker, Electro and Sandman are not animal-people, Spider-Man villains always seemed to be scientific fuckups or accidents to me like him, which I suppose proves your point of most of the villains being dark versions of the hero. Half of the villains the X-Men fight are racist human forces like Stryker, Senator Kelly or the Sentinels. Or aliens but those issues of X-Men are always a bit weird. Wouldnt Venom be the very definition of darker version of the hero
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the_american_dream posted:Wouldnt Venom be the very definition of darker version of the hero Yeah Venom is the dark version of Spider-Man but he isn't really an animal person either. It's like Joker is Batmans main villain and quite a few of his villains are serial killers or gangsters with a costume and a gimmick but the dark version of Batman is either Bane or Ras Al Ghul (someone is going to say about 5 other dudes to this I just know it). I'm not really expressing myself very well but I don't think you can say any one heroes set of villains is one type of character without fudging it alot.
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| # ? May 31, 2012 18:00 |
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They could also try... gulp.. making up an original villain specifically for the movie. Worked well for Harley Quinn.
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thebardyspoon posted:That ignores all of the villains that don't fit those categories. Venom, Green Goblin, Shocker, Electro and Sandman are not animal-people, Spider-Man villains always seemed to be scientific fuckups or accidents to me like him, which I suppose proves your point of most of the villains being dark versions of the hero. Half of the villains the X-Men fight are racist human forces like Stryker, Senator Kelly or the Sentinels. Or aliens but those issues of X-Men are always a bit weird. Goblin, Shocker, Electro and Sandman fall into the slightly rarer "freak of science" part of Spider-Man. They're the same reflection, just focusing on a different aspect. For Spider-Man it works somewhat because he's got two distinct aspects. (radioactive mutant + animal powers.) Pretty much every hero fights someone directly connected to them thematically. The X-Men fight regular humans because the distinct opposite of them is "regular human." Characters like Ra's or Bane or Venom are just "evil versions of the hero." Even if they're not thematically connected as in 'costume crazy,' or 'animal man' that is because they're still intent on mirroring the hero in a different way. There's a lot of crappy villains who have no thematic relevance but they tend to be forgettable for exactly that reason. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at May 31, 2012 around 18:22 |
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Doflamingo posted:They could also try... gulp.. making up an original villain specifically for the movie. Worked well for Harley Quinn. It was the cartoon and she was tied with the Joker from her first apperence.
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ImpAtom posted:
Not totally up on my comics, but I believe Bane and Venom are actually good now.
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| # ? May 31, 2012 18:25 |
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Seeing as "magic" in the Marvel movie universe has been explained away as "alternative science" I could see Tony going against a magic user. Worst comes to the worst explain it with nano-machines or something.
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Romes128 posted:Not totally up on my comics, but I believe Bane and Venom are actually good now. Venom is being controlled by the Avengers and his host is Flash Thompson. Eddie Brock just got itroduced to another symbiote and he is not what you would say good.
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Romes128 posted:Not totally up on my comics, but I believe Bane and Venom are actually good now. Bane kind of veers back and forth. I'm not actually sure what his status is in the new 52 but I suspect it's back to being (at best) amoral. Venom is still evil, but it's currently being used by Flash Thompson who is undergoing an "addicted to it" sort of storyline and who has bitten off people's limbs and poo poo when he loses control. The entire point of Venom was that he was a dark Spider-Man and when he became marketable enough to sell books they replaced him with Carnage. (Who is a Dark Venom because that is what comics do.)
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Now explain "Minimum Carnage".
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Yonic Symbolism posted:Isn't Modok an iron man villain? He should fight a modok. Played by Christopher Walken. I have said this a half dozen times now and every time I say it in this or any other thread I just want it more. Just his face blown up and his cadence . . . sigh.
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bobkatt013 posted:It was the cartoon and she was tied with the Joker from her first apperence. And? Point is she was an original character not ripped from the comics and she worked wonderfully. I wouldn't mind seeing new characters in the same vein if a hero's rogue's gallery is lacking.
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Doflamingo posted:And? Point is she was an original character not ripped from the comics and she worked wonderfully. I wouldn't mind seeing new characters in the same vein if a hero's rogue's gallery is lacking. She was a sidekick connected with an established character. She was basically Bob from the original Batman and the only reason she became huge was due to the fan reaction.
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Clown woman as a henchwoman to clown man isn't very original.
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| # ? May 31, 2012 19:11 |
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In this villain category or mirror version discussion I think we're losing the point that Iron Man is fighting people who have the same powers and look as him. Yes, Electro is a freak accident of pseudo-science but the visual or power similarities to Spider-Man stop there. Sure, the X-Men fight "mutants" but all that is just a way to handwave origins and doesn't mean Cyclops vs. Gazer Beam, Storm vs. Weather Wizard, Prof X. versus Jimmy. What people are having a problem with in the Iron Man movies is the same problem fans of Spider-Man would have if the movies only had Scorpion, Venom, and Lizard - different sure, but very similar to both Spider-Man and each other. You include Goblin, Dr. Octopus, Electro, Mysterio, Sandman et al to get the variety they offer. Iron Man sure fights a lot of robot men but he's also got Living Laser, Spymaster, Ghost, FFF, Mandarin, Ultimo (a robot, yes but not a guy in a suit), and until he decided to put on a suit there was Whiplash too. A couple of those could be in the "tech" category Iron Man falls under without being dudes in powered armour. Lobok fucked around with this message at May 31, 2012 around 19:46 |
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ImpAtom posted:While the rogue's gallery is cool as a concept, Reverse Flash/Professor Zoom is probably the most iconic Flash villain for a reason. When people think of their first Flash villain, it's Reverse Flash/Professor Zoom? I would've figured it would be Captain Cold. Plus there is a kind of opposite theme there. Cold trying to freeze Flash in place while he zips around.
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Well if he doesn't have any good enemies, can't Iron Man borrow a villain from someone else since they are all in the same universe? I really doubt I'll bother seeing Iron Man 3 if he's fighting yet another version of himself.
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Supercar Gautier posted:There is literally no way for that armor to be apolitical. It is entirely impossible, intentional agenda or not. Please come to terms with this. La la la la, maybe he's just a big ol' Francophile. Lobok posted:Iron Man sure fights a lot of robot men but he's also got Living Laser, Spymaster, Ghost, FFF, Mandarin, Ultimo (a robot, yes but not a guy in a suit), and until he decided to put on a suit there was Whiplash too. A couple of those could be in the "tech" category Iron Man falls under without being dudes in powered armour. My feeling is that Iron Man's best villains tend to be himself, whether it be his destructive tendencies(Demon in a Bottle) or the misuse of his own tech(Armor Wars).
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MortonTheCranium posted:Can it be a racist dragon? I hope you were intentionally referencing this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9Qu3iP3RYA
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Not too sure if this is old news, but the X-Men First Class sequel finally got a date of July 18, 2014 http://www.cinemablend.com/new/X-Me...Date-31187.html I liked First Class a lot, it was leagues above 3 and Wolverine and was almost as good as X2. I imagine Fox is waiting until 2014 because Iron Man 3, Man of Steel, The Wolverine and Thor 2 are next year and want to give their big superhero franchise some breathing room. Justin Godscock fucked around with this message at May 31, 2012 around 21:45 |
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Dr. Video Games 0055 posted:Not too sure if this is old news, but the X-Men First Class sequel finally got a date of July 18, 2014 I'm glad that Magneto/Fassbender will remain the focus of the sequel. I hope they have the balls to go through with retconning the other movies now. I secretly hope The Wolverine retcons a bunch of poo poo too.
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Xavier's battle over Magneto's soul was more interesting than anything that happened in Avengers, will be interested to see where it goes. And yes, I also hope they toss out continuity with the X-Men films to give this film more freedom. On the other hand, now that Erik has already turned into Magneto I'm kinda wondering where they can go with it that doesn't feel like they're just making a sequel for sequel's sake.
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Steve Yun posted:I hope you were intentionally referencing this Only a little bit.  Perhaps having the First Class sequel released in 2014 will allow plenty of time to work issues as compared to the first movie.
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Comfortador posted:When people think of their first Flash villain, it's Reverse Flash/Professor Zoom? Personally when I think of a Flash villain Gorilla Grodd is the first thing that comes to mind, but that's probably because of the completely awesome treatment he got in the Justice League cartoon.
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bobkatt013 posted:She was a sidekick connected with an established character. She was basically Bob from the original Batman and the only reason she became huge was due to the fan reaction. The only reason she became huge is because people liked her? What the hell kind of point is that to make?
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Wendell posted:The only reason she became huge is because people liked her? What the hell kind of point is that to make? She was originally a one shot sidekick. She was going to be in one episode and that was it. However, the fan response was positive so they kept on writing her in. I was just pointing out that by creating a villain from scratch for a movie will be a bit tough and for every Harley Quinns you get 10 Livewires.
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Steve Yun posted:Xavier's battle over Magneto's soul was more interesting than anything that happened in Avengers, will be interested to see where it goes. And yes, I also hope they toss out continuity with the X-Men films to give this film more freedom. After thinking about it, wouldn't the movie have to throw away continuity, unless it were planning on taking place very soon after? I would hope they would allow for some time passage, but if they allowed enough, that would place it directly parallel to Wolverine's first movie.
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ToastyPotato posted:After thinking about it, wouldn't the movie have to throw away continuity, unless it were planning on taking place very soon after? I would hope they would allow for some time passage, but if they allowed enough, that would place it directly parallel to Wolverine's first movie. The last time I heard anything about it, it as going to be set in the 1970s. Praying for a new version of Dazzler. Oh, and I really hope Darwin returns.
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