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Soonmot
Dec 19, 2002

Dragons love BBQ!


I want Fury to yell, "Get these motherfucking Chutari off my motherfucking planet!" PG 13 gives you two fucks, right?

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thrawn527
Mar 27, 2004

Thrawn 2012
Studying the art of terrorists
To keep you safe

Soonmot posted:

I want Fury to yell, "Get these motherfucking Chutari off my motherfucking planet!" PG 13 gives you two fucks, right?

Depends on the movie. The American President was rated PG-13, and they said gently caress 3 times.

Gatts
Jan 2, 2001

Ben, buddy, it's a wonderful day to go web slinging!


ImpAtom posted:

I honestly would not have guessed the car was real, but that is because the effects do a poor job of providing weight to its surroundings. A lot of people like to harp on about the quality of CG, but one of the most underrated factor of good special effects in general is how they manage to convey a sense of impact, gravity and weight to their actions.

Thor is a God/Demigod/whatever. It isn't particularly shocking that he can hit a car so hard it goes flying like a child's toy. The problem is (at least with the shots as presented) that it doesn't look like a superpowerful being is putting unimaginable power behind his blow and sending tons of metal smashing forward. It doesn't really matter that the car is real, it matters that the stunt itself and the CG work afterwards are not directly and/or edited in such a way that it feels like there's interaction with the world going on.

It's not even "cartoony" or "comic booky" or whatever because a good cartoon or comic book puts even more effort into this kind of stuff. They have to. A dynamic comic panel will absolutely radiate the sense of motion and impact. Here it just feels lifeless. Again, maybe the actual movie is better about this. If so, they really shouldn't be releasing clips like that.

may not be the best example but watching Gods go at it in Wrath of the Titans each blow felt powerful and brutal. I think it was well Done.

feedmyleg
Dec 25, 2004

EVERY FAIRY TALE NEEDS ITS HERO.

thrawn527 posted:

Depends on the movie. The American President was rated PG-13, and they said gently caress 3 times.

I think the general "rule" is that it gets an automatic R after two if the "gently caress" referes to an act of sex - so "loving hell" would be better than "he hosed her." But of course the MPAA doesn't actually follow its own rules and seem to have gotten more strict on it over time.

Paul Allen
Sep 22, 2004

Is that a raincoat?



Gatts posted:

may not be the best example but watching Gods go at it in Wrath of the Titans each blow felt powerful and brutal. I think it was well Done.

Just wait until you see Thor fighting Hulk. Lots of weight there.

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008



Bob Quixote posted:

Yeah, I know I was being a bit too hard on them but when Battleship the movie is something that can exist you can't blame me for being a bit cynical about the filmaking process, even if I did go too far.

Battleship looks like it will be pretty good and have some thought behind it, rather than being a paint by numbers movie like the Avengers. Wrong example.

thrawn527
Mar 27, 2004

Thrawn 2012
Studying the art of terrorists
To keep you safe

feedmyleg posted:

I think the general "rule" is that it gets an automatic R after two if the "gently caress" referes to an act of sex - so "loving hell" would be better than "he hosed her." But of course the MPAA doesn't actually follow its own rules and seem to have gotten more strict on it over time.

That's why I love the example of The American President.

"All right George, can I tell you something? We're gonna win this thing. We're gonna get the votes we need and we're gonna win this thing. And you know what I'm gonna do after that, I mean that very night, I'm gonna go to Sam & Harry's, I'm gonna order a big steak, and I'm gonna make a list of everybody who tried to gently caress us this week!"
- Michael J. Fox

"gently caress the sweater, she'll have to learn to live with disappointment."
- Annette Benning

"gently caress you."
- Michael Douglas.

So not really referring to sex, but as an insult thrown at Martin Sheen, a sweater, and with the first one, more like hosed over.

I wonder if it's better that one was spoken by Alex P. Keaton, one by the wife of Warren Beatty, and once by the son of Spartacus. People they like get slightly more benefit of the doubt, that kind of thing. The MPAA is so confusing.

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

Yes join me


thrawn527 posted:

That's why I love the example of The American President.

"All right George, can I tell you something? We're gonna win this thing. We're gonna get the votes we need and we're gonna win this thing. And you know what I'm gonna do after that, I mean that very night, I'm gonna go to Sam & Harry's, I'm gonna order a big steak, and I'm gonna make a list of everybody who tried to gently caress us this week!"
- Michael J. Fox

"gently caress the sweater, she'll have to learn to live with disappointment."
- Annette Benning

"gently caress you."
- Michael Douglas.

So not really referring to sex, but as an insult thrown at Martin Sheen, a sweater, and with the first one, more like hosed over.

I wonder if it's better that one was spoken by Alex P. Keaton, one by the wife of Warren Beatty, and once by the son of Spartacus. People they like get slightly more benefit of the doubt, that kind of thing. The MPAA is so confusing.

Same thing happened in Aviatar when Alec Baldwin said gently caress.

Codependent Poster
Oct 20, 2003

Emergency induction port.

Joe Don Baker posted:

I have had it with these mother-loving Avengers on this mother-loving helicarrier.

I've had it with these monkey-fighting Avengers on this Monday to Friday helicarrier!

Ofc. Sex Robot BPD
Aug 30, 2008


Codependent Poster posted:

I've had it with these monkey-fighting Avengers on this Monday to Friday helicarrier!
Maybe they'll finally show us what happens when you find a stranger in the alps.

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

Yes join me


Codependent Poster posted:

I've had it with these monkey-fighting Avengers on this Monday to Friday helicarrier!

They are fighting Red Ghost or about to have a team up with Agent of Atlas?

horsepeen
Sep 21, 2010

Christian Financial Adviser


Does anyone know if there's a climatic battle between Captain America and the Chutari where he points to his forehead and screams, "Surrender? YOU THINK THIS 'A' STANDS FOR FRANCE?!"

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

Yes join me


horsepeen posted:

Does anyone know if there's a climatic battle between Captain America and the Chutari where he points to his forehead and screams, "Surrender? YOU THINK THIS 'A' STANDS FOR FRANCE?!"

Here is all I have to say about that

DoYouHasaRabbit
Oct 8, 2007


Not trying to another whole argument about the Avengers but here's a clip of Iron Man and Thor fighting:

http://collider.com/avengers-clip/159765/

I'm glad they show that Thor can pretty much crush Tony if he really wanted to.

Away all Goats
Jul 5, 2005
Back from the dead

Clearer version of that clip here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ku-x...feature=related

Aatrek
Jul 19, 2004


my god

we're adrift in the heavens


30 minutes of deleted scenes in The Avenger DVD.

http://collider.com/the-avengers-deleted-scenes/159451/

jivjov
Sep 13, 2007

How does it taste?
YUMMY!


Nog posted:

30 minutes of deleted scenes in The Avenger DVD.

http://collider.com/the-avengers-deleted-scenes/159451/

The cut scene of Cap reuniting with an elderly Peggy (Do I even need to spoiler tag a deleted scene?) would probably have made me cry. That sounds emotional as all hell.

TetsuoTW
Aug 27, 2007

Let one hundred schools of dildo-bat contend



Away all Goats posted:

Clearer version of that clip here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ku-x...feature=related
The CGI looks a little ropey in places, but that's easily one of the best action sequences they've shown so far.

Die Laughing
Sep 18, 2009

You engage the Mad Duck

SMAAAAASH!

In the Ultimates Bucky ends up surviving WWII and marries Peggy. When Cap comes back it's probably the emotional highlight of the book.

Shanty
Nov 7, 2005

I'm-a gonna rip off-a your head and shit down-a your neck!

TetsuoTW posted:

The CGI looks a little ropey in places, but that's easily one of the best action sequences they've shown so far.

Yeah, this scene is a lot better at following through on the action. There are some nice back and forth shots and the narrative of the action is well presented and easy to follow. All of the punches and blasts and things have consequence, it's not just pyew pyew okay who won.
The surroundings are still pretty boring,though. Dark woods, gray mountain out of nowhere, more dark woods. The scenery doesn't do much except fall to bits around them, which is boring, but at least it's more interesting than a bunch of buildings that do nothing.

I guess maybe they've only shown the bad action sequences so far because all of the good ones "spoil the plot"?

Die Laughing
Sep 18, 2009

You engage the Mad Duck

SMAAAAASH!

That wasn't a bad action sequence though. It might not have been great, but it was still pretty good for being about forty five seconds of a movie that's going to be full of fight scenes.

And something something god versus man, something something destruction of nature. Subtext! Honestly, I was just happy to see Iron Man and Thor slap eachother around. Exactly what I wanted.

Happy Noodle Boy
Jul 3, 2002

Don't fuckle with Shuckle(s)

Like that other Shuckle, but different.


It was nice to see that even though they went back and forth a bit, Thor was clearly the stronger of the two.

ToastyPotato
Jun 23, 2005

CONVICTED OF DISPLAYING HIS PEANUTS IN PUBLIC

iolo_the_bard posted:

The cut scene of Cap reuniting with an elderly Peggy (Do I even need to spoiler tag a deleted scene?) would probably have made me cry. That sounds emotional as all hell.

I am inclined to agree. Even though that climactic moment in the Cap movie was sort of screwed by the situation he was in not making THAT much sense (see the cartoon "How it should have ended") it was still pretty damned emotional, and I think the deleted scene would have probably easily been able to pick up where that scene left off.

Lucid Delusion
Dec 23, 2009

You're merely postponing the inevitable.


Shanty posted:

Yeah, this scene is a lot better at following through on the action. There are some nice back and forth shots and the narrative of the action is well presented and easy to follow. All of the punches and blasts and things have consequence, it's not just pyew pyew okay who won.
The surroundings are still pretty boring,though. Dark woods, gray mountain out of nowhere, more dark woods. The scenery doesn't do much except fall to bits around them, which is boring, but at least it's more interesting than a bunch of buildings that do nothing.

I guess maybe they've only shown the bad action sequences so far because all of the good ones "spoil the plot"?


The mountain doesn't exactly come out of nowhere. It's perfectly visible in a sequence prior to this fight.

Shanty
Nov 7, 2005

I'm-a gonna rip off-a your head and shit down-a your neck!

Lucid Delusion posted:

The mountain doesn't exactly come out of nowhere. It's perfectly visible in a sequence prior to this fight.

Well that's even better, then. In this clip, unestablished, it's a bit abrupt. Woods, woods, woods, woods, flying off NOW A MOUNTAIN, back to woods, woods, woods... I suppose if anything I'm sad they went back to the woods after having shown such potential for scenery change.

Away all Goats
Jul 5, 2005
Back from the dead

Do you really need to see a scenery change in a 90 second clip?

Aatrek
Jul 19, 2004


my god

we're adrift in the heavens


It would add some needed variety after watching it for the thirty-first time

ComposerGuy
Jul 28, 2007

Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon behind them
Volley'd and thunder'd;
Storm'd at with shot and shell,
While horse and hero fell,
They that had fought so well
Came thro' the jaws of Death
Back from the mouth of Hell,
All that was left of them,
Left of six hundred.


Happy Noodle Boy posted:

It was nice to see that even though they went back and forth a bit, Thor was clearly the stronger of the two.

I dug how the lightning overcharged Stark's battery though.

Romes128
Dec 28, 2008


ComposerGuy posted:

I dug how the lightning overcharged Stark's battery though.

This happened in the cartoon also, though they weren't fighting each other, Ironman was just badly damaged and couldn't move.

jivjov
Sep 13, 2007

How does it taste?
YUMMY!


I find it deeply amusing that Thor slings more lighting (and presumably thunder [which he is the God of]) around in that clip than he does in the entirety of his own movie.

Speaking of Thor, the "head count" clip has Tony refer to him as a demigod. Does this have any precedent anywhere? Last I checked, he was either just a straight up God, or "just" an Asgardian.

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spidoman
Feb 18, 2007


iolo_the_bard posted:

I find it deeply amusing that Thor slings more lighting (and presumably thunder [which he is the God of]) around in that clip than he does in the entirety of his own movie.

Speaking of Thor, the "head count" clip has Tony refer to him as a demigod. Does this have any precedence anywhere? Last I checked, he was either just a straight up God, or "just" an Asgardian.

I think it's being used to reference a minor god, he clearly has God like powers, especially from a human perspective. But they're also aware that he can be hurt and killed. It works.

SuperMechagodzilla
Jun 9, 2007

Sightless.
Soulless.
Mindless.


Shanty posted:

Yeah, this scene is a lot better at following through on the action. There are some nice back and forth shots and the narrative of the action is well presented and easy to follow. All of the punches and blasts and things have consequence, it's not just pyew pyew okay who won.
The surroundings are still pretty boring,though. Dark woods, gray mountain out of nowhere, more dark woods. The scenery doesn't do much except fall to bits around them, which is boring, but at least it's more interesting than a bunch of buildings that do nothing.

I guess maybe they've only shown the bad action sequences so far because all of the good ones "spoil the plot"?

Yeah, I'm actually down with this. It seems like they care, all of a sudden, because the CG dude being beaten up happens to be their star character.

The backgrounds are still totally blank though, and it's somewhat one-sided in the sense that Thor is presented as just a force for Downey Jr. to react against. That last part is more of an observation than a real issue, though. I suppose it's also easier for them to convey pg-13 pain through damage to the suit than to show Hemsworth being properly injured.

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

DAMMIT WESLEY!!!


Marvel Studios head Kevin Feige was asked today whether there were plans for a sequel to 'The Incredible Hulk' at this point, and he flat-out said no. They've apparently been receiving positive response to his role in Avengers though. But for the time being he's ruling out another Hulk solo film.

http://movies.ign.com/articles/122/1223009p1.html

Rough Lobster
May 27, 2009

Don't be such a squid, bro


I think most people are ok with that. There's not much else you can do with the Hulk character without going totally nuts, WWHULK style.

LtKenFrankenstein
Jul 22, 2007

ella ella

SuperMechagodzilla posted:

I suppose it's also easier for them to convey pg-13 pain through damage to the suit than to show Hemsworth being properly injured.

For all its flaws, this is something I feel Iron Man 2 really took advantage of. The fight between Iron Man and Mickey Rourke looked just painful, and a lot of that is due to the Iron Man suit's capacity for dino damage.

Lobok
Jul 13, 2006

Nightmare fuel


LtKenFrankenstein posted:

For all its flaws, this is something I feel Iron Man 2 really took advantage of. The fight between Iron Man and Mickey Rourke looked just painful, and a lot of that is due to the Iron Man suit's capacity for dino damage.

Are we just imagining the tolerance for fight violence being lower than it is? Spider-Man was beaten the hell up at the end of the first movie with slow-mo close-ups of the blood flying out of his mouth and Goblin was skewered moments later.

LtKenFrankenstein
Jul 22, 2007

ella ella

Lobok posted:

Are we just imagining the tolerance for fight violence being lower than it is? Spider-Man was beaten the hell up at the end of the first movie with slow-mo close-ups of the blood flying out of his mouth and Goblin was skewered moments later.

Yeah, but that scene was very much played for laughs, especially if the viewer has seen any other Sam Raimi movie.

Like, Dead Alive is far gorier than Texas Chainsaw Massacre, but TCM is unquestionably the more grueling movie. The difference is one of tone.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

everything is yours


LtKenFrankenstein posted:

For all its flaws, this is something I feel Iron Man 2 really took advantage of. The fight between Iron Man and Mickey Rourke looked just painful, and a lot of that is due to the Iron Man suit's capacity for dino damage.

This is also due to Rourke's undeniable physicality. Watch him beat up Superman in Immortals, it's no surprise that he (temporarily) ruined his career to be a boxer.

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005


Happy Noodle Boy posted:

It was nice to see that even though they went back and forth a bit, Thor was clearly the stronger of the two.

Why? How is this a good or meaningful thing beyond fidelity (sort of, sometimes) to the source material?

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DangerDummy!
Jul 6, 2009


Well, Thor's a demigod, and Tony Stark's a guy in a robot suit. I don't know that I fully get the point of your question. Iron Man is a state of the art war machine, and he's trying to fight a guy what beats up giants with a hammer.

Not knowing the full context of what happened, maybe they're trying to put a point on how hubristic and self destructive Tony can be sometimes.

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