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LtKenFrankenstein posted:So, wait, I'm curious. Is there anything a movie about a character called "Captain America" could've done to appease you, or do you take the mere existence of the character to be an affront to your good taste? And if it's the latter, why did you go see the movie? For me it's the idea of a movie called Captain America, but stripped of as much political and jingoistic undertones as possible. It's like having a friend tell a lie to you that's so bad that it's embarrassing to listen to. "This is just a superhero movie, don't worry about any kind of political undertones!" *the main character is literally named Captain America and he's fighting germans in world war II* Instead of embracing the premise and going somewhere interesting with it they neuter it and do everything possible to make it meaningless. This is entirely predictable, but what's puzzling is why it's being trumpeted as A Good Thing by comic book fans who have seen the movie. "Don't worry, this isn't jingoistic at all!" Great. Why should I care about this movie when I could watch something that isn't afraid to be interesting or meaningful? It's hard to blame anyone for this though as it's a result of the Avengers Initiative that's being slapped down on all these movies to make them as homogenized and bland as possible so that when the Avengers Movie comes out, people will accept it because the previous movies have been suitable and not offensive, so clearly the culmination movie will also be suitable. Sounds like a great time, I'll be there on opening night! Tender Bender fucked around with this message at Jul 24, 2011 around 19:14 |
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LtKenFrankenstein posted:So, wait, I'm curious. Is there anything a movie about a character called "Captain America" could've done to appease you, or do you take the mere existence of the character to be an affront to your good taste? And if it's the latter, why did you go see the movie? I thought the movie was bland, but enjoyable.
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Finally saw Thor on Friday (at the local dollar theater) and then saw Captain America yesterday. I really liked Thor, more than I anticipated, but I absolutely LOVED Captain America. It was just so perfect. As for that Hulk image posted a few posts up, I think I would've preferred the Hulk design from Edward Norton's movie, it looked less ape-ish and more like a real guy, only much bigger. Oh well.
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Here's a banner with the full arts: http://i.imgur.com/HZHVc.jpg
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TheJoker138 posted:If you believe the WB, they already greenlit a sequel. I'm guessing it's doing really well on toy sales, despite the box office. They backtracked about a week later with a generic statement that they are still only thinking about a sequel.Its just like with Superman Returns, they said that they were gonna to a sequel to that movie too and that movie made a lot more money than GL.
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Here are some quotes from what some writers have had Captain America say. I just figured it'd be interesting for the whole propaganda thing. http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Captain_America quote:Captain America is not here to lead the country. I'm here to serve it. If I'm a captain, then I'm a soldier. Not of any military branch, but of the American people. Years ago, in simpler times, this suit and this shield were created as a symbol to help make America the land it's supposed to be... to help it realize its destiny. Ricocheting from super-villain duel to super-villain duel doesn't always serve that purpose. There's a difference between fighting against evil and fighting for the common good. I'm not always able to choose my battles... but effective immediately, I'm going to make an effort to choose the battles that matter. Battles against injustice, against cynicism, against intolerance. I will still serve with the Avengers. I will continue to defend this nation from any and all threats it may face. But as of today, I am not a "super hero." Now and forevermore, I am a man of the people. Together, you and I will identify and confront America's problems. Together, we will figure out what we are and what we can be. Together, we will define the American Dream and make it an American reality. And the infamous Mark Millar written, alternate Ultimate Universe Captain America. Which was retracted and admitted as overzealous and not exactly what he should have done.  There was a counter to this moment in the "regular 616" Marvel Universe where Cap points out during WWII he fought alongside very brave and tenacious French soldiers. So, either way, he's used as a tool by the writers to espouse beliefs but the notion has been he does stand for ideals and convictions that aspire to something greater at least in the modern era.
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poo poo, I'm not even American and I always had this perception of Captain America not being "USA! USA!", but rather "Hey guys, this is what we could be if we got our poo poo together!"
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Tender Bender posted:For me it's the idea of a movie called Captain America, but stripped of as much political and jingoistic undertones as possible. It's like having a friend tell a lie to you that's so bad that it's embarrassing to listen to. "This is just a superhero movie, don't worry about any kind of political undertones!" *the main character is literally named Captain America and he's fighting germans in world war II* It's being trumpeted as A Good Thing by comic fans because Steve Rogers/Captain America isn't a jingoistic character. While Captain America was indeed a Rah Rah America! character when first created, he has been quite different for far, far longer. Having him be a jingoistic caricature who's reporting for duty to slap some japs and kick some Huns in the balls in order to save the world is counter to the character. Much like how the early incarnations of Superman and Batman where they'd kill bad guys and laugh at their misfortune don't work with their much more established and longer running modern characterization. While you occasionally get something like Ultimate Captain America, far more often Captain America is instead used to contrast the political and social culture of today's America against it's ideals. Unfortunately this vision of the character doesn't lend itself to much cometary when he's in WWII, unless you are looking for a movie that spends it's time with Captain America criticizing the horrors of war and allied policy. Content that would be interesting to explore, but sure as hell isn't going to be in a summer action movie that's part of the build up to next summer's action movie.
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Tender Bender posted:For me it's the idea of a movie called Captain America, but stripped of as much political and jingoistic undertones as possible. I don't think it was stripped of as much of its political undertones as possible just because it's less jingoistic than it could have been. I'm not going to claim it's a particularly deep movie, but it goes farther than it had to to argue for personal moral judgment and disobedience against immoral authority. Captain America fights Hydra instead of the Nazis to make this argument universal, and the movie - in a way I won't spoil - argues for its refusal to put on a show of beating up Nazis. I think you may be conflating the movie's attempts to moderate its rah-rah-Americanism, which it does, with it being apolitical, which it isn't.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:The character decided for me, as his name is literally "Captain America." You must be a real fun guy to have at a party.
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Turn your brain off.
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Oasx posted:The last Avengers image is Hulk I love Cap's pose. It looks like he's calling out someone in a pro wrestling match.
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To me the number one highlight of that banner is Agent Coulson in the back getting his Star Wars pose on. Actually, on second thought, collectively that section is a lot more Charlie's Angels.
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If it doesn't have Hank Pym & Janet Van Dyne it's not really the Avengers, dammit  I saw it in 3D and was pleased. The fight scenes were a little lacking, in my book -- I felt like we should've seen Cap kick a whole lot more rear end, but what we saw wasn't bad. The story was alright and the supporting cast knocked it out of the park. The 3D effects weren't all that impressive, though. I'm a big fan of Cap so I might go see it again without 3D just to see if there's any major differences. Overall, I had fun watching it and I'm looking forward to the Avengers more than I did before, even with no Ant-Man or Wasp. (Not even Bill Foster! Bunch of racists.) picosecond fucked around with this message at Jul 24, 2011 around 23:52 |
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Cobie Smulders looks like a great Maria Hill but she would've made a better Janet Van Dyne. >:|
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Captain Corduroy posted:Cobie Smulders looks like a great Maria Hill but she would've made a better Janet Van Dyne. >:| Good riddance. The Wasp is the worst Avengers ever.
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Rhyno posted:Good riddance. The Wasp is the worst Avengers ever. Doctor Druid. Gilgamesh Yellowjacket 2
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Wasp was never all that well developed in the 616. She was slightly moreso in the Ultimate Universe, but that all went to pot when Blob ate her.
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Matlock posted:Wasp was never all that well developed in the 616. She was slightly moreso in the Ultimate Universe, but that all went to pot when Blob ate her. I do not know she went from being obsessed with Hank, to getting over him to becoming a leader in her own right.
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I just hope Hank Pym never joins. gently caress that guy, and gently caress Ultron.
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Plus the Avengers movie would have to get an R rating after Hank beats Wasp, then takes a can of Raid to her. I don't think I'd want to see that on the big screen (or any screen, really).
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How do they get Hulk to work for them again?
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Uncle Wemus posted:How do they get Hulk to work for them again? Hulk in most recent comics is actually not a mindless brute that wrecks everything and he talks and communicates normally. If they follow up on IH with Banner beginning to control Hulk it won't be a big of a leap to have Hulk be more rational than previously shown.
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:Hulk in most recent comics is actually not a mindless brute that wrecks everything and he talks and communicates normally. If they follow up on IH with Banner beginning to control Hulk it won't be a big of a leap to have Hulk be more rational than previously shown. Or Loki is messing with him and causing him to dress like a clown. But seriously the movie ended with the Hulk "protecting" New York and that smile showed that he had control.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Turn your brain off. Shut the gently caress up.
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bobkatt013 posted:Or Loki is messing with him and causing him to dress like a clown. But seriously the movie ended with the Hulk "protecting" New York and that smile showed that he had control. Yeah but isn't that General still mad?
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TheBigBudgetSequel posted:Shut the gently caress up. Why so angry?
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picosecond posted:I saw it in 3D and was pleased. The fight scenes were a little lacking, in my book -- I felt like we should've seen Cap kick a whole lot more rear end, but what we saw wasn't bad. This actually seems to be the Marvel formula. Going all the way back to Iron Man 1 they're giving audiences just enough action. It's formulaic now. It could be monetary with them or it could be on purpose. Maybe they're trying not to be too violent. It's all good but man, I want to see some power levels challenged. I just really hope that they pull out the stops on Avengers. Also, I finally saw Green Lantern and was sad that it was as bad as it turned out. From the ground up they were on the wrong track. Mark Strong was good though!
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Why so angry? I would imagine because shut your brain off is a weak argument. If someone wants to enjoy mindless fun they will but convincing them to do so is silly.
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Optimist with doubt posted:I would imagine because shut your brain off is a weak argument. If someone wants to enjoy mindless fun they will but convincing them to do so is silly.  I think you should go read The Hindu Beast God's previous posts in this thread and reassess what tone he was going for with that comment.
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Optimist with doubt posted:I would imagine because shut your brain off is a weak argument. If someone wants to enjoy mindless fun they will but convincing them to do so is silly. I wasn't telling him to shut up because he was being sincere. He was using it because some people don't see the movie the way he does, so it was meant as an insult.
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bobkatt013 posted:Or Loki is messing with him and causing him to dress like a clown. But seriously the movie ended with the Hulk "protecting" New York and that smile showed that he had control. I think Banner said something like "I don't think I can control it. Maybe aim it."
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Heres a little better look at the Avengers teaser, its still not official but here you can see whats going on. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZvt95Qlxos
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BiggerBoat posted:I think Banner said something like "I don't think I can control it. Maybe aim it." Yes, but in the very last scene he was back to doing the breathing techniques and yoga he was practicing at the beginning, and was able to trigger and control a transformation (his eyes changing and the smile showing he had it under control). So at the very least he's now able to decide when and where to make them happen, and possibly even able to control the Hulk while he's in that form, and turn back. In the final fight, you also saw him acting a lot less savage than he was earlier. He started out that movie screaming at lightning and thunder, and ended it actually able to speak.
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lomzus posted:Heres a little better look at the Avengers teaser, its still not official but here you can see whats going on. I really hope they can pull this off. There's an awful lot of stuff to squeeze into this movie even with the set up of the other films. I'm really curious who the villain will be. Haven't seen Cap or Thor yet. Do those movies give an idea? Seemed to me at the end of incredible Hulk, Fury wanted Stark's help fighting him but so far it looks like Hulk will be a hero.
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TheJoker138 posted:Yes, but in the very last scene he was back to doing the breathing techniques and yoga he was practicing at the beginning, and was able to trigger and control a transformation (his eyes changing and the smile showing he had it under control). So at the very least he's now able to decide when and where to make them happen, and possibly even able to control the Hulk while he's in that form, and turn back. In the final fight, you also saw him acting a lot less savage than he was earlier. He started out that movie screaming at lightning and thunder, and ended it actually able to speak. Yep but it might be like the original storyline where Loki tricks the Hulk and the rest of the Avengers go after him and then they team up to stop Loki. They also find the Hulk dressed as a clown. I am also guessing that Loki is going to get the Cosmic cube and use it to bring back Reds Skull. He might not be an actual enemy but he will be back on earth and ready for Captain America 2
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BiggerBoat posted:I really hope they can pull this off. There's an awful lot of stuff to squeeze into this movie even with the set up of the other films. I'm really curious who the villain will be. Haven't seen Cap or Thor yet. Do those movies give an idea? Loki is the villain. He's even in the trailer. There have been rumors though of possibly other bigger villains showing up though.
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It'll probably be skrulls or something, Loki got beaten by Thor single handedly so its not like he's a credible threat on his own. An army on multiple fronts would give every member something to actually do.
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Three Red Lights posted:It'll probably be skrulls or something, Loki got beaten by Thor single handedly so its not like he's a credible threat on his own. An army on multiple fronts would give every member something to actually do. Haven't seen Cap yet since it ain't out in the UK until Friday but the Cosmic Cube he was eyeing up at the end of Thor would even things up considerably.
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thebardyspoon posted:Haven't seen Cap yet since it ain't out in the UK until Friday but the Cosmic Cube he was eyeing up at the end of Thor would even things up considerably. Yeah, he was all up on that Cube. Plus, if he does get Hulk on his side for a bit, it would make a pretty considerable difference. Edit: Question about a scene from Cap. During the train scene did Bucky shut the door behind Cap, locking him in with the HYDRA agent? I thought it looked like he did when I saw the movie the first time, but on the second viewing, I wasn't so sure. It would make since in a Winter Soldier kind of way. Scroto Baggins fucked around with this message at Jul 25, 2011 around 15:45 |
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