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LtKenFrankenstein
Jul 22, 2007

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Lex in Superman II was awesome.

"Superman, thank God!... I mean, get him!"

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LtKenFrankenstein
Jul 22, 2007

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Yeah, 'diehard fans' are probably the only people that are really excited about this movie, and thus don't need reassuring.

Captain Haddock looks okay, but I'm sorry, I can't get over this weird Mocap thing. It's just gently caress ugly. Tintin himself looks hilariously bad. I really still don't get why Robert Zemeckis thinks this style is so cool. I guess as a director he always has kinda been more show-offy than good.

LtKenFrankenstein
Jul 22, 2007

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Crows Turn Off posted:

Are we talking about the same Zemeckis?

He has previously directed:
Cast Away
What Lies Beneath
Contact
Forrest Gump
Back to the Future Part III
Back to the Future Part II
Who Framed Roger Rabbit
Back to the Future
Romancing the Stone

Maybe recently he's been into this kind of technology, but I think you're down-right wrong otherwise.

Hey, don't get me wrong, I like the Back to the Future films as much as the next guy. But when presented with the option of doing something nuanced or doing something ridiculously in-your-face, he'll go with the latter every time.

Also, Contact, What Lies Beneath, Cast Away, and Forrest Gump all blow. So does Beowulf. I just looked at his IMDB page and I forgot that he did Death Becomes Her, which kicked rear end. So yeah, he's got about five movies I like and a lot more that I don't, and the last one of the former was in 1992. Sorry, but his name does not fill me with a lot of confidence.

LtKenFrankenstein
Jul 22, 2007

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mind the walrus posted:

I know the way the business works will basically force the entirety of the Winter Soldier plot into Cap 2 because "WE DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL GET TO MAKE CAP 3", and that's fair... but tell me with a straight face that pacing out the story and allowing Grand Director shenanigans to take center stage in Cap 2 wouldn't be a better narrative and better marketing for the franchise for the long run?

See, I think if you want to do Winter Soldier right at all, you have to bring him in early. Spend the second movie with him as the main villain, maybe end with that "Remember who you are!" business, and then in the third movie he goes good and he and Steve team up to face a bigger threat. If you wait til the third movie, then there's no way you can do his redemption without it seeming unearned.

LtKenFrankenstein
Jul 22, 2007

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muscles like this? posted:



I like how the wing in this kinda doubles as a peace sign. Reminds me of the cover of Johnny Got His Gun by Dalton Trumbo.

LtKenFrankenstein
Jul 22, 2007

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penismightier posted:

In this context, it's the V-for-Victory.

Ah, true dat. I was thinking 1945 seemed a bit early for the peace sign.

LtKenFrankenstein
Jul 22, 2007

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I'll just leave this here.

LtKenFrankenstein
Jul 22, 2007

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Farbtoner posted:

Twilight fans are rapidly becoming the new hipster/emo/goth in terms of labels that are so judiciously over-used and insubstantial that their meaning boils down to "popular young people that like things I don't like".

It's literally just the hair. People see heartthrobby androgynous young dudes with goofy hair and jump to the Twilight jokes, but heartthrobby androgynous young dudes with goofy hair have seriously existed since time immemorial.

I'm still trying to remain relatively stoked about the new Spider-Man movie, being as I really want to see what Marc Webb does with a superhero movie, but this teaser was even less impressive than the Dark Knight Rises teaser and the CG at the end was really bad.

Also mark me down in the "Spider-Man 2 was awesome and the first one wasn't that bad either" camp.

LtKenFrankenstein
Jul 22, 2007

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Rhyno posted:

So for those who have seen it, 3D or no 3D for Captain America?

I'm curious about this too. I generally prefer no 3D, but the only place near me doing a midnight screening is doing it in 3D.

LtKenFrankenstein
Jul 22, 2007

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Captain America is not quite as good as the first Iron Man, but is the best comic book movie since the double-whammy of that and The Dark Knight in 2008. Stanley Tucci walks away with the whole movie, easily. And I love Hugo Weaving's Werner Herzog voice.

LtKenFrankenstein
Jul 22, 2007

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SlimGoodbody posted:

I'm stealing this idea.

Pff.

At the LtKenFrankenstein house, every night is bro night.

LtKenFrankenstein
Jul 22, 2007

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E the Shaggy posted:

Hawkeye wearing a mask is pointless really considering he works for the government and has no family to protect.

Though I guess you could make the same argument for Cap.

In the Ultimates, Hawkeye didn't wear a mask, and he did have a family, and they all got loving butchered.

I'm not sure where I was going with that, though.

LtKenFrankenstein
Jul 22, 2007

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Xvimic posted:

What the gently caress does Captain America do when he is fighting next to both Ironman, a guy who can survive a point blank shot from and then dead lift and toss an Abrams tank,fly at mach speeds and shoot various forms of pulse weaponary/nuclear ordinance from his fingertips and Thor, the literal loving Norse god of thunder?



"A soldier with a voice that can command a god -- and DOES."

That about sums it up, I think.

LtKenFrankenstein
Jul 22, 2007

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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

How does that make the character not a propaganda tool?

So, wait, I'm curious. Is there anything a movie about a character called "Captain America" could've done to appease you, or do you take the mere existence of the character to be an affront to your good taste? And if it's the latter, why did you go see the movie?

(asked the man with the Captain America avatar)

LtKenFrankenstein
Jul 22, 2007

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SuperMechagodzilla posted:

Also All-Star Superman is borderline unreadable to me because the art is rear end-ugly and inexpressive.

Holy poo poo, are you serious? Man, and just when I was starting to agree with you on stuff, too.






I mean, a lot of people have called Frank Quitely's art rear end-ugly before because a lot of people are loving stupid, but "inexpressive?" Where'd you get that one?

LtKenFrankenstein
Jul 22, 2007

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Darko posted:

I'm going to defend SMG here - I hated Quitely when I first noticed his work in New X-Men as well, and since I draw, a lot of it came from "I can draw that better, why do his faces/whatever look like that, why didn't he just do (a) (b) (c) here?"

I've known a few artists in my day. What I've learned is that anyone who looks at a piece of art and says out loud "Psh, I can draw better than that!" is probably a really bad artist.

LtKenFrankenstein
Jul 22, 2007

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Tuxedo Jack posted:

I seriously must be the only person who did not like Birthright. I was bored by it. vv

I didn't like it either. I liked Yu's artwork, but it was very Superman-by-numbers.

LtKenFrankenstein
Jul 22, 2007

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Yeah, Falcon's definitely been boring in some stuff in the past, but he ruled in Brubaker's run. I remember one panel of him literally shrugging off a blast from a flamethrower, and another scene of him taking out a bunch of the Winter Soldier's ex-Spetznaz goons single handed.

LtKenFrankenstein
Jul 22, 2007

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The iconography's interesting, the alternate portrayals of Luthor, Green Lantern and Batman are all really loving cool (I'd go so far as to say Red Son features my favorite portrayal of Luthor ever), and the ending, in spite/because of being ghostwritten by Grant Morrison totally rules.

I've come to recognize some of its flaws on rereads, but it's still one of my favorite "What If"/Elseworlds stories.

LtKenFrankenstein
Jul 22, 2007

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Honest Thief posted:

I hate how Luthor brings down Superman, it's supposed to be this masterstroke but it comes as bad as the Wanted ending.

Yeah, that is a flaw, but I think of that more as a flaw in Superman's characterization than Luthor's. The way the book jumps so quickly to "Well, if Superman grew up in Soviet Russia, he'd be EEEEEVIIIILLLLL" is something that's never sat right with me.

LtKenFrankenstein
Jul 22, 2007

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Die Laughing posted:

Haven't seen the video, but do they say they want Hulk or Banner? In the Ultimates they wanted Banner for his genius and to keep the Hulk under wraps. In the regular Marvel Universe Fury actually had secret plans for using super people to fight a war with a hostile country. He uses the covert team, but the scorched Earth team involves Hawkeye and War Machine for the more precision work, and dropping Punisher and the Hulk at opposite ends and letting them tear the poo poo out of everything.

Wait, where was this established, because it sounds loving awesome.

LtKenFrankenstein
Jul 22, 2007

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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

ARG's literally never count.

Thank you. I liked the Dark Knight quite a bit, but I still think ARGs as a marketing tool are loving stupid (and certainly not 'canon').

Edit: in terms of good arguably-canon marketing tools though, those Agent Coulson shorts look to be really cool. A lot of the criticism of the whole Marvel shared universe thing is, frankly, totally valid, but I'm convinced it's worth it if only for Clark Gregg playing that character in as many movies as possible.

LtKenFrankenstein fucked around with this message at Sep 15, 2011 around 03:24

LtKenFrankenstein
Jul 22, 2007

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Okay, I'll rephrase it then: ARGs can be canon, but they're still loving stupid.

LtKenFrankenstein
Jul 22, 2007

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Incendiary Pig posted:

What is Cap's relationship with Iron Man like in the comics? Because their movie personalities don't seem like they would mesh very well.

They tend to be pretty good buds and hit it off straight away when Cap joined the Avengers, but they've also butted heads a lot and with some pretty serious severity (see: Civil War).

LtKenFrankenstein
Jul 22, 2007

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"Believability" as a concern is, frankly, completely off the goddamn table with the Marvel film universe (and, really, any superhero movie) and anyone who thinks otherwise hasn't really been watching them.

LtKenFrankenstein
Jul 22, 2007

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BiggerBoat posted:

If you can't see the difference between "here's a WW2 version of steroids", "here's some new indestructible metal we made", "this dude built a really advanced suit of armor" and "over here is a Norse God from outer space with a magic hammer that makes a magic costume" than I guess it's just a matter of nuance and taste, like I said.

I'm not gonna lie, I actually really don't. Of course degrees of believability exist, but in the Marvel Comics universe, pretty much every conceit for every superhero is completely impossible.

Edit: Even Hawkeye, who has no power but to shoot a bow really good, still shoots it better than any human being actually can. And even SHIELD is more crazily advanced than any real life government agency ever would be, at least in anything loosely defined as 'present day.'

LtKenFrankenstein fucked around with this message at Sep 17, 2011 around 19:58

LtKenFrankenstein
Jul 22, 2007

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Timby posted:

It just sounds so silly. They have to demarcate the leader of an alien race as "super?" There isn't a more appropriate term?

Wouldn't be the first time.

LtKenFrankenstein
Jul 22, 2007

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Yeah, really if "super" as a prefix is too silly for you, superhero movies are probably not for you.

LtKenFrankenstein
Jul 22, 2007

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The only Marvel Studios movie that I think was straight up lovely was Iron Man 2 and even that had its moments (everything with Sam Rockwell and Mickey Rourke). Thor was subpar, but fun. I can kinda get why people didn't like The Incredible Hulk, but I thought that movie was a total blast and I'm not even really into the Hulk as a character.

LtKenFrankenstein
Jul 22, 2007

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My favorite action scene in The Incredible Hulk was actually the one that didn't involve The Hulk at all. It was Bruce Banner fleeing Tim Roth and his goons in the favelas. I just thought it was really well choreographed, it reminded me of the 'wicker basket' chase scene in Raiders of the Lost Ark.

LtKenFrankenstein
Jul 22, 2007

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Judakel posted:

That was my favorite scene as well. Tim Roth was far more interesting as a human soldier than as the Abomination.

Truth. The last action scene was the weakest, if only because it replaced Tim Roth and Edward Norton, good actors both, with big blocks of CG.

But it also featured Omar, so I called it square.

The Hulk may be somewhat uninteresting I guess, but I think Bruce Banner is a fascinating character if only for his massive inferiority complex. Sure, as the Hulk he may be able to whip any other superhero's rear end, but it's not really him.

LtKenFrankenstein
Jul 22, 2007

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Rhyno posted:

So 3 seconds equals featured?

It was a joke.

LtKenFrankenstein
Jul 22, 2007

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Also, considering how many bizarre permutations the Joker has had in comics, cartoons, and other media, it's just a stupid thing to say. You don't own the Joker.

LtKenFrankenstein
Jul 22, 2007

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Judakel posted:

That's probably just because we associate Ledger's Joker with obnoxious drunkards during recent Halloweens.

Or kids who still hang out at Hot Topic.

LtKenFrankenstein
Jul 22, 2007

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Yeah, I'm still psyched to see DKR for Tom Hardy as Bane if nothing else, and I'm willing to give Christopher Nolan the benefit of a doubt on a lot of poo poo, but it's gonna take a whole lot to convince me that those heels are not mind bogglingly loving stupid.

LtKenFrankenstein
Jul 22, 2007

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gregday posted:

What purpose does Joker's purple suit have? It's to create an image that has an effect on his audience. Same as Selina. Looking like a hooker can be a tactical advantage.

God loving dammit, do you not see why its not okay for a series that's already entirely a boy's club to present their most prominent female character as looking like a hooker because 'it's a tactical advantage'? Not to mention that any advantage to be gained by looking like a hooker is outweighed by high heels that you trip over if you have to do more than walk briskly.

LtKenFrankenstein
Jul 22, 2007

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Maggie Gyllenhall isn't a bad actress, but Rachel Dawes is a terribly written character. Like a lot of superhero movie love interests, she exists solely to be arm candy and need rescuing. It's sad when the only significant action by your only significant female character is to die horribly.

LtKenFrankenstein
Jul 22, 2007

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The Cameo posted:

I legit just spent the last ten minutes trying to think of a good, progressive female character in a superhero movie, and the only one that came close was Lois Lane in Superman Returns. And that's it.

Pepper Potts in Iron Man, maybe? She still needed rescuing at the end, but she was a fairly capable, fleshed out character. In the first one, anyway. The whole "I can't run the company after all!" thing in part 2 kinda rubbed me the wrong way, but that movie was a mess in general.

edit: Peggy Carter in Captain America wasn't bad either.

LtKenFrankenstein
Jul 22, 2007

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That's a fair point I guess, I just really liked the idea of Pepper Potts running the company while Tony Stark goes off and does his superhero thing, and I was kinda peeved that the whole plot point was brushed off at the end of the movie as "too much stress, let's make out!" instead.

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LtKenFrankenstein
Jul 22, 2007

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Professor Clumsy posted:

Next person to mention high heels gets a week's probation. Plus three more weeks.

Any chance we can expand this to include the words "gaze," "cheesecake," "catwoman" and "batman"?

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