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ASoIaF at least has the dignity of not being spawned from an AD&D/GURPS game setting.
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GRRM, dignity. Yes.
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Sep 1, 2015 02:44
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rejutka posted:GRRM, dignity. Walked right into that one.
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Sep 1, 2015 02:47
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rejutka posted:I will fight you. I will win. Remember that Tlan Imass guy who was discovered down in a cave with broken legs, and then some slave guy brought him some ultra sweet fossilized lion leg bones, which he incorporated into himself so he could walk again? And then he revealed that he had an Imass-style sword but made out of iron instead of rock? And then he goes off to do something awesome? And then he's never featured again? I had to search for him on a Malazan wiki to figure out what happened to him. Turns out he went after that Jaghut who was living in the Finnest house, but he walked across the lawn and got sucked down to be trapped for all eternity. This is not bad writing. This is writing by someone who actively hates their readers.
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Sep 1, 2015 02:54
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Sounds like he ripped that straight out of one of his games- "A dude had some cool adventures and started another one but fell for one of my bullshit traps so his player had to re-roll. The End."
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Sep 1, 2015 02:58
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You mean the dumb poo poo who had a couple hundred thousand years to reflect on his lot in life and, as soon as he was free, continued to do dumb poo poo and not let the past go? Granted, that's T'lan Imass in a nutshell (and I love those genocidal mad fucks) but uh, the entire book was about letting go of the past and things ending and those that did not end when they should loving everything they touched. Thematically appropriate.  Although, yeah, the book is not exactly a favourite.
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Sep 1, 2015 03:00
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As a fan of both authors, the Malazan series is good and ASOIAF is also good, why can't we all just get along? gently caress Wheel of Time though, that series was anime as hell.
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Sep 1, 2015 03:01
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Kavak posted:ASoIaF at least has the dignity of not being spawned from an AD&D/GURPS game setting. No, they have the distinctive honour of being spawned from a writer's resentment-fueled grudge against the TV industry
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Sep 1, 2015 03:02
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savinhill posted:No, they have the distinctive honour of being spawned from a writer's resentment-fueled grudge against the TV industry I don't get it, but I'd like to hear more.
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Sep 1, 2015 03:09
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jsoh posted:the secret lannister plot to kill jon arryn was a lie, and it was a lie that drove the entire plot of the series. how the gently caress does "caused the war that caused all of the things in the entirity of the books to happen" going nowhere Yes, it is the central mystery that hooks us all in, but because of the descent into anarchy it doesn't really matter who the gently caress killed him. poo poo I had to stop and try and remember who had him killed in the first place. Was it Lyssa? Or was it Pycelle? edit: was it BOTH!!!!!111111oneoneone Lyssa poisoned him, and then when he was taken to Pycelle, Pycelle also poisoned him because he know about the incest??? In which case the lannister plot against him WAS true. kcroy fucked around with this message at 05:18 on Sep 1, 2015 |
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Sep 1, 2015 05:15
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kcroy posted:Lyssa poisoned him, and then when he was taken to Pycelle, Pycelle also poisoned him because he know about the incest??? In which case the lannister plot against him WAS true. Pycell saw what was up, and stopped ballabar from purging the poison.
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Sep 1, 2015 05:48
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Kylaer posted:You should never, ever read the Malazan books, because they're ten thousand pages of exactly this. I read the sample of the first Malazan book and thought "this seems neat I wonder how many books there are to this" and came across an image of the books and their chronology. I haven't gone near the Malazan stuff since then. It looks like such an utter clusterfuck. I was tempted to buy the first book recently but decided to just reread the Stormlight Archives instead (skipping almost all of Shallan in book 1). It was the right decision, especially getting to the
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Sep 1, 2015 07:40
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Kavak posted:I don't get it, but I'd like to hear more. The short version is that GRRM was a TV writer, wanted more creative control/fantastical things, and figured out that he'd get that with a book series. If you really want a writer that started with a grudge, look at Jim Butcher who started his Wizard Detective series on a bet with his creative writing teacher that he could write the most stereotypical story imaginable and sell a bunch, and then started another series after betting some dude on a message board that he could make a successful series with any two random concepts. The guy told him to write a book combining Romans and Pokemon.
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Sep 1, 2015 12:41
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computer parts posted:If you really want a writer that started with a grudge, look at Jim Butcher who started his Wizard Detective series on a bet with his creative writing teacher that he could write the most stereotypical story imaginable and sell a bunch, and then started another series after betting some dude on a message board that he could make a successful series with any two random concepts. The guy told him to write a book combining Romans and Pokemon. I have never, and will never, read one of that guy's books, but I'm buying him a beer if I ever meet him in real life.
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Sep 1, 2015 13:33
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computer parts posted:The short version is that GRRM was a TV writer, wanted more creative control/fantastical things, and figured out that he'd get that with a book series. This seems to happen a lot. Wasn't Naked Lunch written by a bunch of authors trying to out do each other in crazy and sewn together by Burroughs? Or is that a different book I'm thinking of. Besides Game of Bones.
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Sep 1, 2015 14:18
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Irish Joe posted:I have never, and will never, read one of that guy's books, but I'm buying him a beer if I ever meet him in real life. You should read the Dresden Files, they're good books. And hardly any gross sex, because Harry is a loser goon who alienates everyone.
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Sep 1, 2015 14:27
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rejutka posted:I will fight you.
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Sep 1, 2015 15:13
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Solice Kirsk posted:This seems to happen a lot. Wasn't Naked Lunch written by a bunch of authors trying to out do each other in crazy and sewn together by Burroughs? Or is that a different book I'm thinking of. Besides Game of Bones. From what I remember from a Ginsberg biography I read a while ago, Naked Lunch was all Burroughs and it took Ginsberg ages to find a publisher for it.
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Sep 1, 2015 16:21
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What I don't get from picking this up peripherally from society but if Naked Lunch is such a weird cut up book how did they make a movie about it that bored homer/jimbo/i forget? e: I don't mean how did the movie bore whichever simpson walked out and said that was blatant false advertising ((now I think it's otto?)) I mean how do you make a nonsense pile of cuttings into a movie in the first place. Krinkle fucked around with this message at 16:38 on Sep 1, 2015 |
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Sep 1, 2015 16:23
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computer parts posted:The short version is that GRRM was a TV writer, wanted more creative control/fantastical things, and figured out that he'd get that with a book series. Yeah, iirc from Grrm interviews, he was frustrated at having a lot of his ideas/creativity stifled,rejected, etc while he was a TV so he wanted to write a series that would be unfilmable when he started writing ASOIAF
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Sep 1, 2015 16:39
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It's interesting how paying someone a whole ton of money can fix a bunch of issues they have.
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Sep 1, 2015 16:47
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Solice Kirsk posted:This seems to happen a lot. Wasn't Naked Lunch written by a bunch of authors trying to out do each other in crazy and sewn together by Burroughs? Or is that a different book I'm thinking of. Besides Game of Bones.
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Sep 1, 2015 17:09
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Burroughs did use the cut-up technique--literally chopping up other books then sewing them back together in random order--for the Nova trilogy.
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Sep 1, 2015 23:09
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savinhill posted:Yeah, iirc from Grrm interviews, he was frustrated at having a lot of his ideas/creativity stifled,rejected, etc while he was a TV so he wanted to write a series that would be unfilmable when he started writing ASOIAF its funny how the series has proven to be filmable, for tv no less, and that his novels at this point are unwriteable. oh sweet irony
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Sep 1, 2015 23:45
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So Bran turns into a tree and prods things to fruition, Arya goes rogue ninja and look I've written more of the books and you've read more how sad is that?
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Sep 2, 2015 00:04
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TommyGun85 posted:its funny how the series has proven to be filmable, for tv no less, and that his novels at this point are unwriteable. its only filmable by editing it a whole lot and making a bunch of it look like dog poo poo
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Sep 2, 2015 00:51
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Nakar posted:Close. You might be thinking of
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Sep 2, 2015 00:54
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jsoh posted:its only filmable by editing it a whole lot and making a bunch of it look like dog poo poo 2 / 5ths of the books so far have already been dog poo poo so it's captured the nature of its source material quite well
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Sep 2, 2015 01:34
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Krinkle posted:Pycell saw what was up, and stopped ballabar from purging the poison. Ah ok. What a jerkface.
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Sep 2, 2015 04:38
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Kylaer posted:You should never, ever read the Malazan books, because they're ten thousand pages of exactly this. Good to know. quote:The Malazan world was co-created by Steven Erikson and Ian Cameron Esslemont in the early 1980s as a backdrop to their GURPS roleplaying campaign Just like wildcards!
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Sep 2, 2015 04:40
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kcroy posted:Good to know. Or to put it like this. In the 15 years I have I have waited (lol) for the rest of asoiaf to come out, I started and finished the malazan series. And then I reread it 2 times.
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Sep 2, 2015 07:42
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Gantolandon posted:Doran's plan only seems sensible until you realize that he kept it so secret that even the guy supposed to marry his daughter knew nothing. Viserys died hundred of miles from Westeros, after having married his sister to a Dothraki khal and having tried to blackmail her husband into giving him help, with predictable results. It could have been avoided if Doran actually had informed the prince (or his allies, such as Illyrio) about his plans.
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I'm not at all sure Illyrio-Varys/Doran were syncing up their plans with one another, We know Willem Darry conspired with Doran but we don't know who he was working with. Varys and Illyrio have started working on the fAegon plot as early as the night Tywin sacked King's Landing (or possibly, a few months later), Doran was clearly not part of that particular plot even though it would have made sense to include him as fAegon is (or poses as) Elia's son.
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Sep 2, 2015 09:26
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Euron has been cast. It's a different guy than Darrio.
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Sep 2, 2015 21:59
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Junkenstein posted:Euron has been cast. beaten. here's a link with his pic: http://variety.com/2015/tv/news/game-of-thrones-euron-greyjoy-pilou-asbaek-season-6-1201584050/
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Sep 2, 2015 22:23
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Euron (33-year-old actor) is the uncle of Theon (28) and Yara (34), and the brother of Balon (70).
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Sep 2, 2015 22:54
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Balon and Euron's dad could've been a real active guy. You don't know! (Or do we know? Can someone flip through GRRM's ridiculously detailed genealogy charts?_
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Sep 2, 2015 23:02
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The wiki says he's 33+ but I don't find any citations. I mean not directly but I did the math for you.
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So the ultimate conclusion of Preston Jacobs' 70 or so videos is a non-sequitur of a video about gurm being a hippie and about how the series is likely to wrap up with an anti-war sentiment. Several hours worth of videos about how there's a whole bunch of conspiracies brewing beneath the surface unbeknownst to the reader, from the brave companions and qyburn being dornish agents to the brotherhood without banners being secret targaryen loyalists led by house darry and some asinine poo poo about lemon trees in braavos and sweetrobin being a level 25 wizard and ultimately he has nothing to say about how any of those things might possibly tie up together, no it's just "ugh there are possibly some hidden sci-fi elements and all prophecy is just telepathic suggestion, also GRRM is a hippie and all of his stories are kinda the same".
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He keeps saying that Dany remembers a house with a red door and a lemon tree, but wait--bravos doesn't have trees--so obviously she's dornish, or whatever the gently caress, but holy gently caress I just read in the sam chapter where he punches dareon and gets thrown in the river that he wanted a fire to warm up aemon, who is dying, but the only trees are behind walls in rich peoples' manses and they don't cut those down for nobody. It literally says there if you're rich enough you get a loving tree in your yard. What a goddamn dummy.
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