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Argali posted:I think Littlefinger is underestimating her. I suspect that Cersei has been fairly broken over a number of events - losing Jamie, losing Joffrey, losing her position of power in King's Landing, then the Shaven Walk of Shame - but she is also a person capable of harboring and harnessing tremendous amounts of hatred. She's been drinking deep for some time now. I don't think she's going to slink off into the shadows now because she's been shown to be a saggy middle-aged woman underneath all the finery. What does any of that matter? She still has more cunning and more balls than half the men playing the Game of Thrones. Given that Littlefinger directly manipulated half of Cersei's movies and actually had a problem with OVERESTIMATING her, and her (or her kid) being even stupider about some things than even he expected, I think you have it backwards.
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via twitter:quote:Hard data on the usage of "boiled leather" and other choice GRRM phrases in 'A Game of Thrones' et al. http://bit.ly/pc3x9I  
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Aug 8, 2011 21:22
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SharpyShuffle posted:From a storytelling point of view it'd also make sense for the Blackfish to pop up in the vale. Littlefinger's going to be chilling there for a while yet I'd imagine before it's time for him to put his masterplan of unifying the north and the vale into action, and he's going to need some kind of opponent who he can't just fob off with a few words and cheap tricks like he did the Lords Declarant. The Blackfish would be perfect. He's got the same kind of gritty badass honor as Ned Stark but, judging by how he brusquely laughed off Jaime, he doesn't have Ned's naivety. I'd love to see Littlefinger dismiss the Blackfish as another noble fool and try and manipulate him the same way he did Ned, only to get shot the gently caress down.
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Aug 8, 2011 21:24
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Iggles posted:This wouldn't happen, they know each other pretty well from when Petyr was fostered at Riverrun Are we sure about that? Blackfish may have been booted by his brother before Petyr came there. I can't remember if there's any evidence either way.
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Aug 8, 2011 21:30
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Rapey Joe Stalin posted:Except that he really doesn't though does he.
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Aug 8, 2011 21:34
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Eggnogium posted:Are we sure about that? Blackfish may have been booted by his brother before Petyr came there. I can't remember if there's any evidence either way. There's a Catelyn chapter, I can't recall which, where she says that she, Lysa and Petyr would always go running to the Blackfish for their problems.
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Aug 8, 2011 21:36
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Argali posted:I think Littlefinger is underestimating her. I suspect that Cersei has been fairly broken over a number of events - losing Jamie, losing Joffrey, losing her position of power in King's Landing, then the Shaven Walk of Shame - but she is also a person capable of harboring and harnessing tremendous amounts of hatred. She's been drinking deep for some time now. I don't think she's going to slink off into the shadows now because she's been shown to be a saggy middle-aged woman underneath all the finery. What does any of that matter? She still has more cunning and more balls than half the men playing the Game of Thrones. Varys has engineered it so that even if Cersei remains as a player in King's Landing, she'll still see Tyrion behind everything and turn allies into foes with her twisted "They must be harboring Tyrion!" logic. I kind of hope Margaery gets executed despite her (probable) innocence in the whole moon tea thing. She was in on the plot to kill Joffrey, after all. She's a bit of a scheming bitch, and it would be funny for her to realize that despite being a brilliant player she's still going to die. Varys saved both Ned (well, he did - Joffrey bungled that) and Tyrion from execution but he has no reason to save Margaery so we finally get to see a straight-up beheading of someone who deserves it.
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Aug 8, 2011 22:32
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Quantify! posted:I kind of hope Margaery gets executed despite her (probable) innocence in the whole moon tea thing. She was in on the plot to kill Joffrey, after all. She's a bit of a scheming bitch, and it would be funny for her to realize that despite being a brilliant player she's still going to die.
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Aug 8, 2011 22:41
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Maarak posted:via twitter: Now do 'You know nothing, Jon Snow'.
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Aug 8, 2011 22:41
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Linguica posted:You're right, he says "much of that and more". Way different Proof
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texaholic posted:Varys killed Kevan with the intention of Cersei becoming regent again and loving everything up and dividing the kingdom or does the regency fall to someone else? I don't think Cersei's going to become regent again - the people loving HATE her (or at least think they do, which is just as good) and I can't imagine the Tyrells being hokey dokey with what they [rightfully] see as a manipulative whore just hanging around the palace/king/queen. Knowing her, if Ser
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Maarak posted:via twitter: It's much and more surprising that there's little and less correlation between 'mounting' and 'nipples.'
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Aug 8, 2011 22:49
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Adama posted:What books have you been reading, because language-wise ASOIAF most definitely reads like any novel set in present day. A "oval office" was a medieval, arm-bound, dagger sheath. Something long going into it like a penis into a vagina is how "oval office" became a term for vagina. At least that's what I had heard from some medieval weopons dude back in the day. But it has been in use since at least the 800s, so it's not exactly a new word. EDIT: the quoted comment was on the latest page when I had last refreshed. hellbastard fucked around with this message at 23:33 on Aug 8, 2011 |
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Aug 8, 2011 23:30
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Toplowtech posted:Really? While Margaery was closer to Joffrey than anyone else when he was poisoned it's the Queen of Thorns who took the poison from Sansa's hairnet. And she was near the chalice (so was ser garlan) when it was briefly left unattended for the pie-cutting. And I doubt the Queen of Thorns would have allowed Margaery to take any part in the plot, it's far too risky for the whole family if Margaery can be linked to the poison. In fact the whole plot with Sansa's hairnet makes no sense if Margeary is the one putting the poison in Joeffrey's cup.
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Eggnogium posted:I tend to lean towards that hooded guy being the one who killed Yellow Dick. And since GRRM makes such a deal out of implying that there was a second murderer, I don't think it's Mance. I'd like to think it's Lem Lemoncloak. There's only room in Westeros for one dude in Yellow.
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Quantify! posted:She was complicit. She's an evil scheming child and should die. Oh my. I've never really heard anyone complain about Margaery, let alone wish her death. I'd give her a medal for killing Joffrey myself. Thus always to tyrants 
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Aug 8, 2011 23:53
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hellbastard posted:A "oval office" was a medieval, arm-bound, dagger sheath. Something long going into it like a penis into a vagina is how "oval office" became a term for vagina. At least that's what I had heard from some medieval weopons dude back in the day. Vagina itself also has this root. Vagina is Latin for sword-sheathe. Edit: I actually have no idea if the two are related but it doesn't seem far fetched.
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Why is everyone talking like it's a foregone conclusion that Cersei will go right back to scheming and paranoia? It seemed like GRRM went well out of his way to show that Cersei was truly and deeply broken by her shame-walk. I think it's going to be a relatively permanent character change for her. Sure, she could be faking, but everything in her last POV and the epilogue seemed to suggest it was for real, and that she's done with power-lust.
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Aug 9, 2011 00:33
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Her crazy comes mostly from wanting to protect her children. When Myrcella comes back missing an ear, she'll go back to normal.
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Caufman posted:Oh my. I've never really heard anyone complain about Margaery, let alone wish her death. But SOMETHING has to happen to her. It might as well be something entertaining. I mean, if she lives, what's she going to do? Play with Tommen's kittens until Dany shows up? She doesn't really have a purpose in the story other than to die. So kill her! Ecco the Dolphin posted:Why is everyone talking like it's a foregone conclusion that Cersei will go right back to scheming and paranoia? It seemed like GRRM went well out of his way to show that Cersei was truly and deeply broken by her shame-walk. I think it's going to be a relatively permanent character change for her. Sure, she could be faking, but everything in her last POV and the epilogue seemed to suggest it was for real, and that she's done with power-lust.
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Quantify! posted:Well, I don't care about the character either way. "Make the bad man fly, mommy!"
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Ecco the Dolphin posted:Why is everyone talking like it's a foregone conclusion that Cersei will go right back to scheming and paranoia? It seemed like GRRM went well out of his way to show that Cersei was truly and deeply broken by her shame-walk. I think it's going to be a relatively permanent character change for her. Sure, she could be faking, but everything in her last POV and the epilogue seemed to suggest it was for real, and that she's done with power-lust.
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Eggnogium posted:Vagina itself also has this root. Vagina is Latin for sword-sheathe. Interesting... Also, in Australia "root" means gently caress/screw/boink. So your first sentence amused me.
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Ecco the Dolphin posted:So has there been any indication of what "The Shadow" of Asshai-by-the-Shadow even is? I haven't seen anything about it but I haven't read any of the short stories so idk. Nope nothing yet. My pet theory is that it's the "Fire" equivalent to The Wall. The Dragon's eggs came from the "Shadowlands" (lying beneath the Shadow right?). The Wall defends against the "Ice" and Asshai, somehow, defends the world from "Fire". The Others and the Dragons aren't evil, they're just manifestations of the elements within the setting. Also tying into my stupid theory (which doesn't work as well since DwD kind of covered it) is that The Doom that wrecked Valyria was just the last instance of the "Fire" aspect on the rise. Much like how Winter is now coming and The Others are going to wreck Westeros' poo poo. A long summer has just as disastrous effects on the setting, you just don't hear about it because it happened in Valyria or Asshai. I still think we'll see The Shadow before the series is done.
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Isn't Cercei supposed to die with a younger, more beautiful queens hands at her throat? Who do we think that is going to be? Dany? Margaery? Mysterious third option?
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Snuffman posted:My pet theory is that it's the "Fire" equivalent to The Wall. The Dragon's eggs came from the "Shadowlands" (lying beneath the Shadow right?). The Wall defends against the "Ice" and Asshai, somehow, defends the world from "Fire". The Others and the Dragons aren't evil, they're just manifestations of the elements within the setting. I think you're spot on. Remember, Dany has to "head east to go west". While I'm not sure this will be a direct "let's sail across the Sunset Sea and show up on the west coast of Westeros, lol", I do think they're going to do something with The Shadow that will influence the Wall. Or something. If you want to go really crackpot, you can remember that Oldtown is one of the most significant ports on the west coast, that Sam has a mysterious horn discovered at the Fist of the First Men with lots of obsidian, and that Sam is in Oldtown with a mysterious, potentially Faceless character with an agenda. ^^^ edit: The hands belong to the "valonqar" (little brother). Book suggests it's Tyrion, fans think it's Jaime.
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In which book did I read a chapter with Sam, Aemon and Gilly on a boat, where Aemon dies of a fever or something and they finially arrive in Oldtown? Because I am fairly certain that I have read that a few years ago and not made it up, yet then in ADWD I re-read the chapter where Jon sent them all off in the first place. I am confused. Edit: it might have been a preview chapter at the back of AFFC?
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No you're right. Samwell had several chapters in AffC. I don't blame you for not remembering because Samwell is a loving boring character.
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Aug 9, 2011 01:52
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VaultAggie posted:Samwell is a loving boring character. I dont even know how to respond to such apostasy. Also I was just sitting here thing . . .we are going to be talking about the same issues for the next 6 years.
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Aug 9, 2011 01:55
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That is from Affc. The part where maester demon dies.
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Could you guys please offer me some recommendations? I just finished ADwD then going based on recommendations on this forums I finished Abercrombie's The First Law, Best Served Cold and Heroes. Now I have nothing to read. I'd like something in a low fantasy setting with a good dose of cynicism and wry humor.
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Lester B. Pearson posted:That is from Affc. The part where maester demon dies. The demon just crackled. That's like a cackle, but made of ice.
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Jewlian posted:Could you guys please offer me some recommendations? I just finished ADwD then going based on recommendations on this forums I finished Abercrombie's The First Law, Best Served Cold and Heroes. Now I have nothing to read. I'd like something in a low fantasy setting with a good dose of cynicism and wry humor. The Lies of Locke Lamora is heavy on cynicism and wry humor, and is a fun page-turner.
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ineptmule posted:In which book did I read a chapter with Sam, Aemon and Gilly on a boat, where Aemon dies of a fever or something and they finially arrive in Oldtown? The timelines for the two books overlap.
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Quantify! posted:The author apparently needs 5 years to finish his books as well so he's a lot like GRRM in many respects. Doesn't he have an actual legitimate mental disorder that prevents him from working?
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uberkeyzer posted:The Lies of Locke Lamora is heavy on cynicism and wry humor, and is a fun page-turner. Thanks, just got it for my nook. This and "The Republic of Thieves" will suffice for about a week of reading. Looking for moar please.
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Quantify! posted:She was complicit. She's an evil scheming child and should die. You are a bad person. Margaery is hot and doesn't have saggy titties so she should live. Maybe she can roll with my homie Lancel and do some good in the world!
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VaultAggie posted:No you're right. Samwell had several chapters in AffC. I don't blame you for not remembering because Samwell is a loving boring character. He's not boring. He's Piggy from Lord of the Flies reskinned, yes, but boring?
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