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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:That's actually a really good comparison. Robert is Menelaus, going to war because a pretty boy stole his girl. We can look to the Iliad for a likely scenario of what their life would have been like if he'd managed to get her back: depressing, loveless poo poo. But who is Brad Pitt? 
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savinhill posted:This ignores all the crazy, sadistic poo poo Aerys did though, also how Rhaegar took off to have his honeymoon with Lyanna instead of doing anything that might help prevent the civil war from breaking out. Lyanna did a stupid thing, too. Highborn girls don't get to run off and get hitched as they please.
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:That's actually a really good comparison. Robert is Menelaus, going to war because a pretty boy stole his girl. We can look to the Iliad for a likely scenario of what their life would have been like if he'd managed to get her back: depressing, loveless poo poo. And Sean Bean "conveniently" played both Ned Stark and Odysseus(in Troy) Ned's not dead, baby.
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mind the walrus posted:Oh good all that time and we're building towards a "It's just like Nazi Germany riff" Louis XIV or Peter the Great/Ivan the Terrible but sure.
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whowhatwhere posted:Louis XIV or Peter the Great/Ivan the Terrible but sure. I would be very surprised if we don't get Varys telling someone "L'État, c'est moi" Actually I would be very surprised if Varys says anything anymore since that means a new book was written
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There, out of the sight of priests and nobles alike, lowborn Norvoshi feast on red meat and river pike, washed down with strong black beer and fermented goat's milk, whilst bears dance for their amusement and (it is whispered) slave women mate with wolves in torchlit cellars.
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savinhill posted:This ignores all the crazy, sadistic poo poo Aerys did though, also how Rhaegar took off to have his honeymoon with Lyanna instead of doing anything that might help prevent the civil war from breaking out. Isn't there stuff in the book that suggests Rhaegar might've been looking to confront his crazy-rear end dad? Besides unless he planned to depose his father there wasn't much he could do once the Starks were executed by Aerys and demands made for Robert and Ned to be turned over to the king. RCarr posted:But who is Brad Pitt? Arthur Dayne.
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Pong Daddy posted:And Sean Bean "conveniently" played both Ned Stark and Odysseus(in Troy) I guess that means Rickon is Telemachus? He was the youngest Stark spawn when Ned hosed off to King's Landing. Rickon and Ned gonna murder a whole bunch of dudes who wanna rail Lady Stoneheart 
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Evil Fluffy posted:Isn't there stuff in the book that suggests Rhaegar might've been looking to confront his crazy-rear end dad? Besides unless he planned to depose his father there wasn't much he could do once the Starks were executed by Aerys and demands made for Robert and Ned to be turned over to the king. I'm pretty sure that he told whoever it was that he was gonna make changes for the better when he got back from his vacation with Lyanna and that's when the Starks came south and Aerys did his poo poo. All of which makes him look worse imo, as he already knew poo poo was untenable and he was leaving to do stuff that would make the situation even more so, while also taking himself far away from where he'd be able to do anything to try and make peace or reign his father in when stuff did pop off. Law Cheetah posted:Lyanna did a stupid thing, too. Highborn girls don't get to run off and get hitched as they please. I don't disagree but it really doesn't change however much blame other people have unless she told her family or Robert what was really going on before she left.
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Oct 29, 2014 21:03
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That line was before the battle of the trident
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jsoh posted:That line was before the battle of the trident Alright, that makes him much less of a dick then, but still a selfish idiot.
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http://www.salon.com/2014/10/29/amy_poehler_cracks_up_george_r_r_martin_with_hilarious_game_of_thrones_quiz/ His squeaky laugh is so infectious I'm making an appointment with a urologist as I type this.
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Evil Fluffy posted:I think Martin's stressing the latter as much as he can without having a character outright state that Lyanna either didn't love Robert (at least as much as he loved her) and wanted to be with Rhaegar instead. Considering Rhaegar basically snubbed his wife for Lyanna in a public setting, and there hasn't really been anything that's shown him to be a crazy gently caress like his dad, maybe Martin's big ending reveal will be that Robert and Ned were in the wrong and everything that went to poo poo is ultimately the fault of the Starks and Baratheons. The problem with that is even if (and it's kind of obvious he didn't) Rheagar didn't kidnap Lyanna against her will, he, as the sitting Crown Prince of the Iron Throne still eloped with the daughter of a High Lord who was promised to another High Lord, while he was married to the sister of a third High Lord. It's such a completely irresponsible and idiotic move that would wreak havoc on relations between four of the Great Houses of Westeros that Rheagar truly is responsible for causing Robert's Rebellion. The Starks and the Bartheons were forced to react, and after Brandon and Rickard lost their heads and Aerys II demanded Robert and Eddard, there wasn't much choice for Jon Arryn except to defend himself and his wards. Long story short the Targaryens were in the wrong, and their dynasty paid the price for having a King and a Crown Prince who were completely loving idiots.
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Cornwind Evil posted:Speaking of Robert Baratheon...I've been re-reading the first book via the graphic novels lately and it just really occurs to me...what the hell was Robert's deal? Regarding 3, Aerys actually called for Ned and Robert's heads after Papa and Bro Stark bit it, and Jon Arryn refused to give them up, starting the war.
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Saeka is right iirc, after Rhaegar and Lyanna eloped and Rickard, Brandon, Jon's heir and a whole bunch of other lords went to Aerys and got burned Aerys sent a raven to Jon Arryn demanding that he send him Robert and Ned's heads, effectively this was the start of the rebellion, there's little to say in regards to Robert's loyalty as effectively the crown declared war on the houses Baratheon and Stark. In ADWD we learn about Rickard's "Southron ambitions" and we learn that Aerys had many justified reasons to be paranoid. I don't really think there's a reason to assume Robert was knowingly cynical, he was obviously deluded about Lyanna's true feelings and was a massive scumbag himself but he was probably dumb enough to think he was being a romantic hero, he was Jon's unwitting pawn.
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I don't know, I could see calling Rhaegar "selfish" but at the same time, he might have just been the type of sensitive guy who wouldn't really think everything would go to utter poo poo as fast as it did. Like it went from R+L eloping and running off, to Brandon riding into King's Landing and yelling threats, to straight up execution of several major lords. Brandon and his mates should have definitely been arrested but I would think normally any sane king would get some concessions from their fathers and send them home or maybe imprison them for awhile, not kill all of the fathers and demand the heads of other family members.emanresu tnuocca posted:Saeka is right iirc, after Rhaegar and Lyanna eloped and Rickard, Brandon, Jon's heir and a whole bunch of other lords went to Aerys and got burned Aerys sent a raven to Jon Arryn demanding that he send him Robert and Ned's heads, effectively this was the start of the rebellion, there's little to say in regards to Robert's loyalty as effectively the crown declared war on the houses Baratheon and Stark. And house Arryn; he killed Jon Arryn's nephew/heir when he killed Brandon's other friends, and then immediately demanded the heads of his two wards. Hard to ignore that combination. So that's 3 major houses that Aerys declared war on in one fell swoop, at that point kind of hard to avoid a major civil war.
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Well the World of Ice and Fire sounds pretty lame overall. Is the artwork worth buying it for at least? I doubt is shill full price for a book written by two lackeys of GRRMitude. I can't wait for the poo poo and Wisdom of Daenarys Targaryen. I mean KHALEESI. Gotta cash in on those show watchers right?
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It's not that bad and most of it feels like it was written by GRRM, the main problem is that it seemingly follows the "we're maesters we don't believe any of the old tales but here are the old tales which are bullshit wink wink" thing that GRRM lays out in Sam's chapters which at a certain point feels rather contrived, it also tiptoes around anything that might actually reveal any information pertaining to the main ASOIAF mysteries which also kind of sucks and makes the book actually feel incomplete, but it's not terrible. I only read like 50 pages so far though so.
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Hunky Joe posted:Gotta cash in on those show watchers right? Yeah, it was pretty disgusting that he'd rush out a lovely book to cash in on show viewers, with barely anything to do with the main plot of ASOIAF where anything remotely interesting was removed to be put in other books. BUT ENOUGH ABOUT A DANCE WITH DRAGONS A HA HA HA HA HA!
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Hunky Joe posted:Well the World of Ice and Fire sounds pretty lame overall. Is the artwork worth buying it for at least? I doubt is shill full price for a book written by two lackeys of GRRMitude. But we have so much to learn from her - wisdom that applies to every day life! "It's not Rape if you fall in love afterwards" "It's ok to murder your husband if he is in a coma" "Never trust a slave you saved to perform blood magic to try and save your baby"
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Militree posted:Man, who is the dweeb that narrated the audiobook of The Mystery Knight? The first two reads were really good then this guy comes in and pronounces everything all weird like. Yes, gently caress that guy to all seven hells.
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 that poo poo, you loving piece of poo poo. This is supposed to be a safe space!
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Sweep these eyebrows up and fluff in a gentle motion if you want to live.
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the khaleesi will NOT abide Mirri Mon-Santo's blood magic any longer! Ready, aim, dracarys 
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:
Since when? fake edit - that is a big mouth, wow
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mkay0 posted:Since when? Just think of all the things you could put in it! Black bread, lemon cakes, roasted boar, strong dark ale, etc
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Toplowtech posted:It's Halloween, i guess: I can't believe how far we have come. I would have looked at you like a crazy person if you told 2001 me that in 13 years I'd be looking at a "Sexy GRRM" playboy shoot. What in the loving hell guys. This is through the looking glass poo poo. What. The. gently caress. This is absolutely loving bonkers.
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You may have missed it, but in his spare time* Amazon Best-Seller** T.B. Thread works at Playboy. *this is now his full-time job as he imitates his muse by not writing in order to bring out his true masterpiece **both 'best' and 'seller' are used in the figurative sense
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pfft they didn't even get the real George R R Martin, that's obviously a fake
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Jeffrey posted:pfft they didn't even get the real George R R Martin, that's obviously a fake The real GRRM got much bigger titties
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"I can't say that I've ever had a thing for bearded women, but I have to confess, Sexy George R.R. Martin is... er... sexy." - George RR Martin http://grrm.livejournal.com/386867.html
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How could you leave out the next part:An Absolute Fucker posted:But there is something deeply disturbing about being turned on by yourself. Stranger than incest. Or even twincest.
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So GRRM has never jerked off while posing nude in the mirror? What a loving loser.
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Klungar posted:How could you leave out the next part: The last thing I want to think about is Martin's real life arousal. gently caress. Just gently caress.
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