Realm of the Mad God - It's okay, dieing is 80% of the game.

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Soma Soma Soma: Mar 22, 2004; Richardson agrees

Evilreaver posted:

Why would we charge a buy-in on an inhouse event? Wouldn't we want as many goons to show up as possible? I could see charging outsiders but why guildies/friendlies?

If its a matter of 'the incantation carrier should get paid as opposed to selling it off' a more elegant solution is to just give him a drop, unless we can't trust people in-house.

I could be in the wrong here, but a couple reasons come to mind.

It's still a rare item that's worth 40+ defense. Any goon that has a character powerful enough to actually help out in O2 can surely cough up 1 or 2 pots to offset part of the value of the item. Most people (yes, even goons) simply turn around and sell this item because of the risk vs reward of running a free run.

Guaranteeing the Inc holder a drop is also very, very messy and doesn't really work once you consider the items that O2 can drop vary from a couple def pots in value all the way up to 60-80 def pots. How do you determine what item the Inc holder gets? The item that isn't worth anything? The item that goes to his main character?

If it's the first, that's just adding insult to injury to the Inc holder if he didn't actually get any drop himself. "Sorry dude, here's a T5 huntress trap to make up for the fact that all you got was an attack pot."

If it's the second option it becomes even more unfair for everyone involved. Whatever non-wizard character has to give me their Grand Sorc or Cosmic is going to be really, really pissed. Some classes have drops worth much more than other classes.

The simplest solution is for the Inc holder to just make a small donation at the door. I'm not asking for the entire 40+ def worth of value that I would get if I tried to sell the thing on the market tomorrow. But 20-25 def would definitely help me if I'm the guy that ends up with crappy drops from O2, and having to pay one def pot to run a dungeon that most people in the game will never encounter is a fair price to ask for.

# ? Mar 12, 2012 08:57

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# ? May 20, 2013 02:31

Touchdown Boy: Apr 1, 2007; I saw my friend there out on the field today, I asked him where he's going, he said "All the way."

Evilreaver posted:

Why would we charge a buy-in on an inhouse event? Wouldn't we want as many goons to show up as possible? I could see charging outsiders but why guildies/friendlies?

If its a matter of 'the incantation carrier should get paid as opposed to selling it off' a more elegant solution is to just give him a drop, unless we can't trust people in-house.

Soma covered it well, and I agree with what he said, Ill just add that if anyone is desperate to go, has a decent character, but cant get a def pot or two Ill cover them until they can pay me back.

For the most part people who are up for going will be able to cover this cost I would guess.

# ? Mar 12, 2012 09:44

Deadly Chlorine: Nov 8, 2009; The accumulated filth of all the dog poop and hairballs will foam up about their waists and all the catladies and dog crazies will look up and shout "Save us!"
... and I'll look down and whisper
"No."

Sorry guys, I might be not playing this for a while, because of studies + my other PC games backlog + other personal things.

You can kick me out of the guild if you need more space for now, I suppose. Will play again sometime in the future if there's anyone else still playing.

# ? Mar 12, 2012 10:09

Syllogism: Jun 7, 2001; We have listened. We are unmoved. The cleansing will proceed.

The ticket system is excellent really and I would be willing to pay more than just 2 def just to make these events more frequent

# ? Mar 12, 2012 12:08

Sinfjotli: Dec 22, 2003; Lemon Curry?

I'm going to try to make it to the run, but it would have to happen at or near 11 MDT. Much later than that and I won't be able to do it.

# ? Mar 12, 2012 14:23

deptstoremook: Jan 12, 2004; my mom got scared and said "you're moving with your Aunt and Uncle in Bel-Air!"

Soma Soma Soma posted:

Okay, the WC run is going to be next Saturday (March 17th) sometime between 10am-6pm MDT (GMT-7 for you Euro folk). I'm guessing 11am would work best for everyone since it's morning for west coast, afternoon for east coast, and early evening for our Euro pals. Post in the thread if the time works for you and if it doesn't we can move it around a bit, although I think Saturday will work best for most people.

Buy-in is going to be 1-2 def pots depending on number of people that show up. We'll hopefully have some experienced people (FnMoron, you and some guild mates would be very welcome to come along if you are available) since most of us Mad Goons don't know how the fight works and could use some help ensuring a smooth run where everyone has a chance to get damage in for a sweet, sweet chance at loot drops.

I'll update this post with a list of people interested so we have a decent headcount.

1) Freesoma
2) Syllogism
3) ProHere
4) BRAWW

I probably don't want to do it this weekend--I think I should get some more practice not-dying on Oryx 1--but if you were to do it again in a couple weeks I would certainly be down. Even then, if I feel up to it I'll post by Thursday letting you know if I want to buy in.

# ? Mar 12, 2012 14:42

Mindblast: Jun 28, 2006; Moving at the speed of death.

That item is worth quite a bit and going into WC doesn't assure a drop. I see no problem throwing the inc holder a bone. And honestly it works the other way around as well: for the price of a few def pots you get a shot at items that are worth 50+ def.

Worth it in my opinion.

I wonder how you make sure you don't get alot of silly pubbies in there though. Or doesn't that matter too much since Oryx2 will most likely blow them away anyway?

# ? Mar 12, 2012 16:10

Soma Soma Soma: Mar 22, 2004; Richardson agrees

Mindblast posted:

I wonder how you make sure you don't get alot of silly pubbies in there though. Or doesn't that matter too much since Oryx2 will most likely blow them away anyway?

We'll try to find a very underpopulated server with a realm that has 5-10 newbies in it. At that point we just have to close the realm quickly and then run through Oryx, and wait to open up Oryx2 until after any of the pubbies have already recalled out.

Edit - VVVV - That works too. Most people leave as soon as they don't see a bag, so we'd probably only have to wait a minute until it was just us.

Soma Soma Soma fucked around with this message at Mar 12, 2012 around 19:34

# ? Mar 12, 2012 19:26

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Soma Soma Soma posted:

We'll try to find a very underpopulated server with a realm that has 5-10 newbies in it. At that point we just have to close the realm quickly and then run through Oryx, and wait to open up Oryx2 until after any of the pubbies have already recalled out.

Just go to a realm that's halfway full and let them clear it as normal. People usually don't hang around for too long after Oryx is dead and everyone's done looking through the crap people have dropped and asking "why is tihs door lock?"

e. Although I guess if there's 30 goons standing around people might not leave.

# ? Mar 12, 2012 19:31

I AM BRAWW: Jul 2, 2011; Y'ALL KNOW HOW I DO

Waiting around until they leave from O1 won't work, as the WC portal has a timer (~2 minutes? People usually stay longer then that too.)

No, what we'll do is we go on a low populated server (UsSouth3 late-night, EuNorth2, etc). From there on, we try to find a low populated realm (~20-30). Once we find one, we try to see if there's anyone that could possibly be a WC crasher (Someone in a big guild, level 20 wiz/rogue/assassin's are the main threat thought.) If there is not a lot of 'treaths' to the WC, we look for a realm that is close to closing (No cube god, no skull shrine.) Next, we clear it and wait for O1. Once we get into the Castle, we all /pause and let the noobs try to clear it by themselves. Most of the time, they won't be able to and most of them will die or nexus. If they're making progress, welp, we have to kill them all (harsh world maties

) by dragging brutes, minions, etc into them. If a Level 20 with decent items isn't really dieing, we can always try the pacifist route and pm him to ask him if he could leave after O1. Most will agree, thought there are some assholes. Then we clear the castle, make our way to O1, kill him. Now, once we're in the WC, since I believe this will be a organized run and not a ffa, we should all clear the minions(1) and make our way towards O2. Once we clear out all the minions on the main passages to him, we stop at the ..room before oryx(2) to group up, heal, and well.. we'll see how Freesoma takes it from there on.

WC MAP:
1=clear minions
2=stop here

I'd recommend we all take shots (take turns going at him) at Oryx, try doing ~1k dmg to get soulbound and then let the next person go. Then, once he stops with his minions (He'll say 'can't keep up with my henchmen!' or something cheezy.) he'll start rushing around, and then we could go into FFA mode. Also, this would be 100 times easier to run if we're all in teamspeak.

# ? Mar 12, 2012 20:49

Soma Soma Soma: Mar 22, 2004; Richardson agrees

Agreed with just about everything you said. Since our start time will probably be 10-11am MDT we might have a good shot at an Asia realm that won't have anyone really online.

We'll need most everyone to be in the teamspeak, even if they don't have mics, since it will be a million times easier to communicate during the fight to ensure that everyone gets a shot at soulbound damage. This is where BRAWW and some others that have run WC multiple times will help out; the only time I ran WC was a giant public lagfest with zero organization. I'll probably need your help coordinating the actual O2 fight so it goes smoothly.

# ? Mar 12, 2012 21:59

whiteshark12: Oct 21, 2010; How that gun even works underwater I don't know, but I bet the answer is magic.

what am I meant to do after I hit level 20? By this point my archers typically have an Ironwood bow and a +9-12 armor, but this seems insufficient to really get kills in the godzone unless I find a fluke 1v1 and when I go into random dungeons I can't seem to do enough damage to get any drops for fear of getting killed. I would guess I should do the lower level quests but these are always replaced by cube gods or such so I can't find them.

# ? Mar 12, 2012 22:34

something: Aug 1, 2011; Have you ever seen
The most pure look of delight
On a Babby's face?

Against my better judgement, i bought an inc and did wc with a guild. Got absolutely NO DROP.

So my net gain after 2 wc runs is -40 def. woohoo.

# ? Mar 12, 2012 22:39

Audax: Dec 1, 2005; "LOL U GOT OWNED"

Gonna try and get two def pots. My priest wants in on it.

# ? Mar 12, 2012 22:46

Sinfjotli: Dec 22, 2003; Lemon Curry?

whiteshark12 posted:

what am I meant to do after I hit level 20? By this point my archers typically have an Ironwood bow and a +9-12 armor, but this seems insufficient to really get kills in the godzone unless I find a fluke 1v1 and when I go into random dungeons I can't seem to do enough damage to get any drops for fear of getting killed. I would guess I should do the lower level quests but these are always replaced by cube gods or such so I can't find them.

I would keep farming the godlands in groups until you can find a firebow, doublebow or heavy crossbow which should help your dps out a lot. People often also discard these because they can't really be sold. Alternatively, ask in teamspeak for a better bow and someone might have one to give you, or if you find a speed potion trade it to someone for a gold bow.

# ? Mar 12, 2012 22:50

Holepunchio: May 31, 2011

Count FootChar in for the WC run. Assuming I have a suitable character at the time. Just how hard is the Winecellar anyways?

Also WhiteSkark, hop on TeamSpeak and talk to goons even if you don't have a mic. Me personally, I have 2 golden bows kicking around and would be happy to give you one. Most goons are pretty generous with items. As for fear of dying, you'll have to get use to that. Bind Nexus to a nearby key and be ready to press it if you're taking too many hits or even if the situation looks like it might turn bad. As for the damage? You'll be fine. You can take level 10s into the Godlands with bad gear and still pickoff Gods one by one. Just stay the hell away from pubbies. They'll drag Gods from multiple directions at once and get everyone killed. Wander away on your own, fight gods one at a time, and keep your health up. At this point your game will be collecting stat potions and getting better gear from Godlands and Oryx runs.

# ? Mar 12, 2012 22:54

Evil Fluffy: Jul 13, 2009

I'm in for this assuming I'm on when you run it. Saturday is St Patrick's Day and I have plans for later so I can't give a 100% assurance at being there.

When's the sword buff supposed to go in? As fun as a paladin is it's too easy to die since so many enemies shotgun and the slightly higher hp/def a paladin gets doesn't mean a whole lot when you're having to get right up close and personal.

# ? Mar 12, 2012 23:27

Touchdown Boy: Apr 1, 2007; I saw my friend there out on the field today, I asked him where he's going, he said "All the way."

Did WC earier tonight by accident. Was standing around talking poo poo after Oryx overt TS longer than usual and some guild opened it and didnt mind me tagging in. I did get messed up slightly with status effects and had to bail. Dont go in their without knowing whats up, Oryx HATES people loving with his wine.

# ? Mar 12, 2012 23:34

Uncle Jam: Aug 20, 2005; Perfect

Hey I am in for WC run: SlamJam

I will have to get a guy up for this since my potted necro got killed by a bunch of stasis'd poo poo over the oryx drop (I should have seen this coming!)

# ? Mar 13, 2012 00:17

deptstoremook: Jan 12, 2004; my mom got scared and said "you're moving with your Aunt and Uncle in Bel-Air!"

Oh, what the hell. Disregard what I said earlier, I'm in. I need to stop being so afraid.

IGN: Marineque (a guild invite would be nice, too, if any of you all are on USEast in the next hour or so)

Life lessons in video games: getting over my real life anxieties by investing pixels in other pixels.

# ? Mar 13, 2012 02:09

misguided rage: Jun 15, 2010; God I fucking love Diablo 3 gold, it even paid for this shitty title

I managed to get all my decent characters killed yesterday, but assuming I have time to get one back up before the weekend I'd like to go! IGN: Footloop

# ? Mar 13, 2012 02:26

nightwisher: Dec 24, 2004

Finally got some good practice with rogues, and I have to say HOLY poo poo do they kick arse. Cubes ain't no thang. Hell I loving killed a Godlands Cube that had a Sphinx almost right on top of it. Then the sphinx.

And Pentaracts. Oh, Pentaracts. 7 vit, 3 wis and 2 spd in 3 penta kills.

I loving LOVE ROGUE.

# ? Mar 13, 2012 04:28

FrickenMoron: May 6, 2009

So I have of crap sitting in my vault atm, maybe someone here is interested in a few t9 or t10 items?
Complete muledump here:

Leathers:
4x Roc Hide, 1 def each
Hippo, 2 def
Griff 7 def
Coral Silk 10 def

Staff:
2x Necrotic 1 def
2x Dia 4 def
1x Moon Robe 4 def
1x Ancient Warning Wand 2 def

Rings:
2x Para hp 1 def
2x Para def 1 def

Skills:
T5 Seal 2 def
T5 Quiver 6 def x2
T5 Cloak 12 def x2
T5 poison 4 def
T5 priest book 8 def
T5 skull 3 def

I'll be back later.

# ? Mar 13, 2012 04:31

Im_Special: Jan 2, 2011; Am I doing this right?

FrickenMoron posted:

So I have of crap sitting in my vault atm, maybe someone here is interested in a few t9 or t10 items?
Complete muledump here:

T5 Cloak 12 def x2

I'd be interested in one of the Twilight Cloaks if your willing to hang onto it until tomorrow, but right now I need to sleep.

# ? Mar 13, 2012 04:40

I AM BRAWW: Jul 2, 2011; Y'ALL KNOW HOW I DO

FrickenMoron posted:

the amount of pots, jesus!

and yeah sure i'll take that doombow and dirk of cronus off your hands..

# ? Mar 13, 2012 04:42

nightwisher: Dec 24, 2004

FrickenMoron posted:

So I have of crap sitting in my vault atm

I'm guessing that stack of 309 is mana pots?

Seriously though, GOD drat.

# ? Mar 13, 2012 04:48

Soma Soma Soma: Mar 22, 2004; Richardson agrees

How much for the Exa MP ring FnMoron? I'll definitely take that off your hands.

# ? Mar 13, 2012 04:48

Shovelmint: Apr 22, 2004

I'm in for that WC run, Soma. Already mentioned it in TS, but I ain't on that list.
Also, if you're not wasted fighting Oryx, you're not doing it right. Wish I'd gotten a screenshot during a dance, but I was a little busy.

# ? Mar 13, 2012 04:49

FrickenMoron: May 6, 2009

Haha, Vizamar is the old Trix Decoy. And the exa mp would be 3 def.
And the 309 thingies is literally the void.

Edit: also while its okay as a melee I can't stand playing centered, you can't even see oryx from there!

# ? Mar 13, 2012 04:50

Shovelmint: Apr 22, 2004

FrickenMoron posted:

Edit: also while its okay as a melee I can't stand playing centered, you can't even see oryx from there!

I switch back and forth depending on what I'm doing. I have a tendency to get confused as to which direction the threats on my minimap are coming from if I rotate around too much, so I usually stick to a centered view unless I have threats coming from a specific direction.

# ? Mar 13, 2012 05:01

CLiX: Mar 2, 2007; Do not move the mouse while clicking. If you do, the computer will do something dumb, like turn the words purple, instead of what you want.

I enjoy giving free poo poo to noobs. It makes me feel nice in my brain.

e; Also someone gave me a free golden bow the other day which was really nice. Allowed me to start farming my first potions!

# ? Mar 13, 2012 05:09

Soma Soma Soma: Mar 22, 2004; Richardson agrees

FrickenMoron posted:

And the exa mp would be 3 def.

Okay, let me know when you are online and I'll trade you.

# ? Mar 13, 2012 05:17

Soma Soma Soma: Mar 22, 2004; Richardson agrees

Wow, another stupid loving mistake costs me another rogue. Died in loving lava, are you kidding me. He was already 3/8 with an emmy and twilight.

# ? Mar 13, 2012 05:45

Touchdown Boy: Apr 1, 2007; I saw my friend there out on the field today, I asked him where he's going, he said "All the way."

FrickenMoron posted:

So I have of crap sitting in my vault atm, maybe someone here is interested in a few t9 or t10 items?
Complete muledump here:

Id like that Moon Robe please. Also if you get a T5 Sceptre Id take that too (or anyone else).

Work for 7 hours then I can arrange a meet up.

# ? Mar 13, 2012 08:41

Mindblast: Jun 28, 2006; Moving at the speed of death.

I probably don't have anything you want right now, Frick, but is there anything you would like in the future in exchange for vitality?

Out of all the stats in the game, I am seriously starting to loathe trying to get my hands on vit.

Wizards having a mediocre average roll on vit with a cap of 75 doesn't help either.

Ps how are you getting your inventory to look like that? Did you put this together yourself or did some cool app do it for you?

# ? Mar 13, 2012 08:55

I AM BRAWW: Jul 2, 2011; Y'ALL KNOW HOW I DO

^^^^ I believe he used Muledump

# ? Mar 13, 2012 10:43

Mindblast: Jun 28, 2006; Moving at the speed of death.

Ah nice! That seems like a nice thing to have even if you only have one account.

The dev warning is ominous though.

# ? Mar 13, 2012 11:03

FrickenMoron: May 6, 2009

Well, it's a third party script so they can't guarantee anything. I've played with Atomizer before, he's a pretty cool guy so feel free to use it. Not much point with a single account though.

# ? Mar 13, 2012 15:48

Shovelmint: Apr 22, 2004

Hey. I've somehow become supreme leader and iron fist of the Mad Goons. What this means is that we're having a membership purge. I've already kicked out 6 people who I've never seen, and I will be kicking out more over the next couple weeks in order to try and get a core membership that is actually active. There's nothing personal if you do get kicked, just that I haven't seen you online, so if you holler at me in game or one of our members with invitational powers (all of them, pretty much) then you can get your spot back. Now what I do want is for people who feel that they may be in danger of getting kicked for inactivity to contact me, either by PM here, or IM on Steam or just by hopping in Teamspeak. Another thing that I want is for the membership of the guild to actually adventure and communicate together. Doing your own thing is cool by me, but if none of us ever see you, you don't use guild chat, and you're not on teamspeak then your membership doesn't actually confer any benefits to you or us. So I encourage all of you to make USEast3 your primary server (though we've been known to go poo poo up other servers due to boredom and lag) and to use Teamspeak whenever possible, and to communicate on the guild channel when you cannot use teamspeak. If you're farming gods, share the locations of dungeon entrances. If a realm is about to close, let people know. If you have gear of moderate value that you're just throwing out or leaving behind, see if someone with storage space can pass it on to other goons. Finally, if you're burned out on the game and not playing, let me know, or even better just leave the guild yourself. I'm going to try and not fill the guild to max capacity instantly, so that we can keep the membership fluid with those who are most active at any given time by accepting applications from those who are coming back from breaks or are new and showing enthusiasm. On that note, a single post in here saying "Hey, I like this game, can someone shoot me an invite. IGN is FlyByNight." is not going to cut it. We're not looking for pro players, but our spots are limited, so if you want membership you should make an effort to meet and play with the core group at least a couple times a week for enough time for us to get to know you and your name. If you're hanging out, you'll get in as soon as we find space. If not, you'll get kicked or can just do your own solo thing and the only thing you'll be missing is a guild title next to your name. Hopefully this more active organization will make it easier to track each other by our green dots and have more fun crushing the denizens of the Realm.

tl;dr MadGoons is going through some changes. If you're active, make sure we know it and you'll keep/get membership.

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# ? May 20, 2013 02:31

Wezlar: May 13, 2005

Don't you dare kick me out Shovel! I'll be back this weekend I just needed to take a break.

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