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When using the one controlled by the mouse, your cursor has nothing to do with moving the code. Don't look at it.
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Ineptus Mechanicus posted:Does hacking....not work with the KB+M or something? I can't move the second password into place and just end up triggering the alarm. You move the one of the passwords with your mouse and the other one with the WASD keys.
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Jul 5, 2011 18:32
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Holy poo poo this game massive... I mean I only completed Saudi Arabia but I really didn't know you could just skip bugging the airfield and instead go right after Al-Samad himself. I really only so much as the current LP but the difference already in the story...  I do not and will never regret this cheap purchase, ever.
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Jul 5, 2011 19:05
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Megabuttes posted:What the gently caress were they thinking with that hacking minigame? I love the hacking minigame. It takes calm hands and a swift eye. It makes me feel like a super-spy computer man.  (playing on normal, recruit, no levels in sabotage)
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Jul 5, 2011 19:17
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Ghost of Mussolini posted:am i playing this game right I only have 1.5 hours into the game now, but it is pretty awesome. I somehow missed the concept of hacking moving the mouse and spent 10 minutes wondering why my keyboard wasn't working. The dialogue is really great in the game. Recruit all the way. I plan on gifting this game away to some friends.
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Jul 5, 2011 19:24
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Almost all of the number strings in the hacking game are on the right side of the screen. I usually find at least one in the bottom right side. A tip: DONT LOOK AT THE TIMER Despite what it says, you have more than enough time to find both number strings. If you keep looking at the timer (the top or bottom one) you only start panicking and lose focus because you have one eye on the timer and the other eye hardly looking. Once you stop worrying about the time, the hacking game becomes quite easy. Granted, this doesn't mean stop and look at each individual number, but don't look at the timer as if your life depends on it. Yet another thing I like about AP: Using the [Silent] option. Thorton manages to give the perfect expression every time I use it, and it generally pisses people off every time. This goes double when  look.edit: why did I write shepard.. buglord fucked around with this message at 19:28 on Jul 5, 2011 |
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Jul 5, 2011 19:25
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Dr. Stab posted:When using the one controlled by the mouse, your cursor has nothing to do with moving the code. Don't look at it. Yeah I puzzled this out by just flailing around like a moron. It's a bit wonky, but it works nicely once you get the hang of it. Now if only the Bond theme would randomly play when I sneak around...
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Jul 5, 2011 19:28
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This thread is pretty surreal to me. I played AP for about an hour, hated it, and never went near it again. I'm slowly coming around to the idea of trying it again after reading some of the posts here though.
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Jul 5, 2011 19:35
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Avocadoes posted:Almost all of the number strings in the hacking game are on the right side of the screen. I usually find at least one in the bottom right side. Another thing worth mentioning: even when it says it's about to change the pattern (or whatever it comes up with) you still have a second to lock in a code fragment. That's important to remember, since, guaranteed, you'll be right on it just as it's about to change.
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Jul 5, 2011 19:39
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The hacking minigame is probably the biggest reason to use a gamepad. The rest of the game works perfectly well with mouse+keyboard, but seriously, gently caress hacking. Loving the new title.
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Jul 5, 2011 19:44
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Doppelganger posted:This thread is pretty surreal to me. I played AP for about an hour, hated it, and never went near it again. I'm slowly coming around to the idea of trying it again after reading some of the posts here though. You should. A hour barely gets you through the initial tutorial and at that you've probably missed the bonus training challenges. You'll still have to tough out Saudi Arabia but everything after that is golden.
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Doppelganger posted:This thread is pretty surreal to me. I played AP for about an hour, hated it, and never went near it again. I'm slowly coming around to the idea of trying it again after reading some of the posts here though. If you played it for an hour you may not have even gotten out of the Greybox (if you did all the optional stuff), and you definitely didn't finish Saudi Arabia. The Greybox is really just a tutorial, and Saudi Arabia is, frankly, a pretty poo poo introduction to the game, because all of the missions are combat-focused (which is not normally the case) and you have little real agency or ability to affect events (which is also not normally the case). It does a good job of acquainting you with how combat and/or stealth works but isn't really representative of the remaining 75% of the game. The game doesn't really get good until you're out of Saudi Arabia, and it doesn't get amazing until you're on your second playthrough and find yourself going "wait, what the gently caress? That didn't happen last time! This loving game" every few minutes.
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Jul 5, 2011 20:00
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Doc Hawkins posted:I agree, but the Triad stuff was pretty filler-ish. You can skip these missions in Taipei. I didn't contact Hong Shi or assault the triad base in the slums My favourite part of the game is if, during the final mission, you have sex with Sie at the start, then meet Mina later. She askes about the scratches on your neck and you're all "Uh, I got in a fight.. Quick, let's go!"
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Doppelganger posted:This thread is pretty surreal to me. I played AP for about an hour, hated it, and never went near it again. I'm slowly coming around to the idea of trying it again after reading some of the posts here though. This is what happened my first time playing it, for a while my 2nd time playing it, and then again after each initial re-install. To say this game is bugged is a serious understatement, but if you can look past the many flaws the game is actually pretty incredible. It's a shame they released it in such bad shape, but that's Obsidian for you. Give it another chance, preferably at least make it past Saudi Arabia and into the actual meat of the game.
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Hank Morgan posted:To turn Parker on Marburg you need to find out Madison's relationship to Parker. It's not a necessity to let Madison die. I saved her and still managed to turn Parker against Marburg (without a complete Dossier for either man, as I recall) via the conversation you have with him in the Greybox at the end over the comm. However, in my playthrough Parker tries to shoot Marburg, but Marburg pushes the gun away and they struggle for a bit before the gun goes off into Parker's gut. You end up having to fight Marburg anyway, but he starts the fight at half health (I think) because he was wounded in the struggle, and then afterwards you're greeted to a quick death scene for Parker where he tells you to get the hell out and live. I don't know if your method has Parker actually successfully take out Marburg, or if Marburg always turns the tables on Parker. Also for all the complaints about the hacking... poo poo, I thought the hacking was the easiest of the minigames. It was the lockpicking that pissed the poo poo out of me after awhile, because you'd have a ridiculous short timer and REALLY loving finicky tumblers. I can't even count how many picks I hosed up because of this, and I'm not a spazz on the analogs by any stretch. Fuzz fucked around with this message at 20:07 on Jul 5, 2011 |
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Jul 5, 2011 20:04
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Hannibal Smith posted:One more piece of advice for newcomers: Don't shut the game off the instant the credits start. There's a newsreel voiceover that plays while they roll that gives closure to a lot of the major events of the game. There were a few people in the last thread who didn't realize that even after playing a few times. Well gently caress me. I've beaten it 3 times now and never knew this.
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I'm on my second playthrough, playing as a recruit, and in the very beginning Greybox stage I only got one training course -- weapons training with Mina as my handler. Is that the only course available or did I miss any other(s)? I'm actually at the Saudi endgame stage now but I'll go back and start another game if I missed something (I want to experience EVERYTHING).
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Jul 5, 2011 20:09
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Rabbit Hill posted:I'm on my second playthrough, playing as a recruit, and in the very beginning Greybox stage I only got one training course -- weapons training with Mina as my handler. Is that the only course available or did I miss any other(s)? I'm actually at the Saudi endgame stage now but I'll go back and start another game if I missed something (I want to experience EVERYTHING). All 3 tutorials have a special training course. You need to score 100 or more on the initial training to get access to the special course.
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Rabbit Hill posted:(I want to experience EVERYTHING). That's not going to happen. Get used to that now.
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Polaron posted:That's not going to happen. Get used to that now. You see that quote of mine in the second post of this thread? The one where I said I'd played through the game ten times and was still discovering new stuff? That's not a joke. You're going to miss a TON of stuff. People you trust will turn out to be lying to you, people you killed will turn out to be potential allies, things you did for the greater good turn out to make things worse in the long run, and you just plain won't know it until you play through the game again.
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Fuzz posted:Also for all the complaints about the hacking... poo poo, I thought the hacking was the easiest of the minigames. It was the lockpicking that pissed the poo poo out of me after awhile, because you'd have a ridiculous short timer and REALLY loving finicky tumblers. I can't even count how many picks I hosed up because of this, and I'm not a spazz on the analogs by any stretch. You're using a controller, aren't you? If you're using KB+M the lockpicking minigame is a lot easier, and the hacking minigame is eventually as easy, but is a lot harder to get used to because the way the right selector moves in relation to the mouse is incredibly unintuitive (and because the tutorial for it tells you outright lies).
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ToxicFrog posted:You're using a controller, aren't you? You do know this game came out on consoles, too... right?
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Holy christ Saudi Arabia is a pain in the dick. Are you not supposed to able to stealth past the arms dealer one at all? I'm in a big courtyard and the guards detect me no matter what approach I take.
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Jul 5, 2011 20:45
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It may help to think of stealth as another kind of weapon skill, rather than a guard-avoidance skill. Also, the first stealth armour is actually a compromise - normal clothing is quieter and will serve you better until you unlock the second-tier stuff.
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Yeah, 'stealth' in Alpha Protocol is more Jack Bauer than Solid Snake. Think of it as a way of eliminating the enemy rather than evading them; with the exception of one mission in Rome, the CIA listening post, take downs/kills are the same as avoidance when it comes to NPCs talking about your sneakiness.
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I like this game so far. I'm just having a bit of difficulty controlling it. I think I might have a easier time with a controller in my hands. I usually prefer keyboard and mouse but it just doesn't feel right in this game for some reason. I see I can use an Xbox controller but I don't have one. Any suggestions on where to get one for cheap? Will 3rd party ones work well with my Windows 7? Or should I just keep adjusting the mouse sensitivity until it I like it? Homeybeef fucked around with this message at 21:24 on Jul 5, 2011 |
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As a basic rule, use Stealth to thin out the ranks of the enemy to manageable numbers. Armour in this game is good for stopping a handful of bullets, so dropping a few sentries can make all the difference in a firefight. Just don't get the buttons for 'takedown' and 'stealth kill' confused, it makes Mina upset and accidentally killing civilians doesn't look too good on your record.
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The best way to play this game is to never touch the reload option, you just roll and deal with every consequence. You pretty much get rewarded for anything you do. Try a no kill run of a mission and fail? Deal with it. Try to stealth but trigger an alarm anyway? Deal with it.
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Boggus posted:The best way to play this game is to never touch the reload option, you just roll and deal with every consequence. You pretty much get rewarded for anything you do. Try a no kill run of a mission and fail? Deal with it. Try to stealth but trigger an alarm anyway? Deal with it. True, but even then, you can have a lot of fun challenging yourself in some of the really difficult levels. For instance, managing the arms dealer mission without ever being spotted, including the final room. It takes a lot of work, some luck, and probably about a dozen reloads or more patience than I have, but the reward of knowing you managed it is grand.
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Boggus posted:The best way to play this game is to never touch the reload option, you just roll and deal with every consequence. You pretty much get rewarded for anything you do. Try a no kill run of a mission and fail? Deal with it. Try to stealth but trigger an alarm anyway? Deal with it. I'm doing a Veteran run where I'm stealth/pistols/martial arts and I attempt to disable everyone without triggering any alarms or getting spotted every mission. However, if I am spotted or if I do trigger any alarms, I immediately go into a fit of rage rushing whatever saw me popping fury/toughness beating the poo poo out of everyone going "rhaaaaaa" irl until I'm the last thing standing. Really this is the only way to play the game for me. Going from stealth Mike to fury Mike in a split second feels great. And when you've got the invis stealth ability that lasts like 17 seconds and Brilliance which allows you to immediately chain them back to back, going through the room... "And then I kill you, then I stab you, choppin you in the neeeckk" rawdog pozfail fucked around with this message at 22:04 on Jul 5, 2011 |
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evilmiera posted:True, but even then, you can have a lot of fun challenging yourself in some of the really difficult levels. For instance, managing the arms dealer mission without ever being spotted, including the final room. It takes a lot of work, some luck, and probably about a dozen reloads or more patience than I have, but the reward of knowing you managed it is grand. Yeah that's the single hardest sneak in the game. It's also one of the five missions that can count for the one with the Shadows perk/achievement. As said earlier stealth is about getting the drop on enemies not being Garrett from the Thief games
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Bought it when it was $5 still downloading. Why is the Steam download over 11 GB, exactly? Did the game originally come on 3 DVDs?
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^^ The PC version comes on two DVDs (~9GB, decompressing to 11 when installed). The PS3 version is (I think) a single blueray disc. Don't know about the 360.Fuzz posted:You do know this game came out on consoles, too... right? Yes; why is that relevant? I'm answering his "I don't know why people complain about the hacking so much, lockpicking is much harder" with "that's only the case if you're using a controller, on KB+M it's the other way around".
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ToxicFrog posted:^^ The PC version comes on two DVDs (~9GB, decompressing to 11 when installed). The PS3 version is (I think) a single blueray disc. Don't know about the 360.
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Fuckin' A there's a perk for (dialogue spoiler)hanging up on people: "You have hung up on (or tried to hang up on) people twice. You're either busy, or kind of a jerk. +100 XP  Also I just found out that if you let SIE handle you @ the Embassy you get to stay on the line with both her AND Mina unlike Albatross who cuts Mina off. gently caress I love this game.
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Son of a bitch! The one day I don't check out Steam's sales is the day they have a game I really want for $5.
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Role Play McMurphy posted:Oh yeah, if one thing should be in the OP for first time players it should be which doors that you can miss if you go too far on the final mission. OK, since we've had like 30 testimonials about people making this mistake and I missed the entire thing on my first playthrough: Hey, have you just begun the final mission?! Read this first! Welcome back to the Greybox! There is a point during this level where you return to the nondescript grey junction room that you raced through during the tutorial. The one right off the interrogation room with all the video screens, remember that? Make sure you don't just run to the opposite end of the room once you're here! There are important plot developments that occur in the doors on either side of you. Before you cross the threshold of the room, make sure you go into the doors on your left and right. I'm trying to describe the room from memory... is that helpful enough without being too revealing?
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Meowbot posted:I was really looking forward to this game then I played it at a friend's house. I only got to like the 2nd or 3rd mission (the hacking was so bad it made me furious, alarms every where) before I gave up. This was me until the INI fixes. The minigame is much easier if everything works right! And if you still have trouble, there's addon things for it. Holy Calamity! posted:Fuckin' A there's a perk for (dialogue spoiler)hanging up on people: "You have hung up on (or tried to hang up on) people twice. You're either busy, or kind of a jerk. +100 XP Problem: You cannot get it. Why? You cannot hang up on anyone. so it's not too much of a spoiler!
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Role Play McMurphy posted:OK, since we've had like 30 testimonials about people making this mistake and I missed the entire thing on my first playthrough: The first room is almost immediately after you talk to a former co-worker. You go through the door to the right. The second room is when the antagonist appears on a tv screen. You go through the door to the left. There will be a screen above the door showing who is in it.
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Midnight Voyager posted:Problem: You cannot get it. Why? You cannot hang up on anyone. so it's not too much of a spoiler! Yeah you can, that's the only way I'd know about it! I'm playing the 360 version  There are times where you can cut people off. I just love how this game rewards you for almost everything. e: My God, the (Moscow SIE spoiler do not read this if you haven't done a run w/ them yet)APC rampage opening sequence of the Brayko mission is loving incredible. 3 playthroughs and it's the first time I'm seeing it, this loving game!! rawdog pozfail fucked around with this message at 00:06 on Jul 6, 2011 |
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