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Popero posted:She's great if only for when Charlie tells Josh that she's a fine-lookin' woman. Fixed. 
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Khoryos posted:I don't think this thread has nearly enough love for Joey Lucas. 
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| # ? Aug 5, 2012 23:36 |
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Imagine Joey and Marion Coatsworth-Haye introducing themselves, forever.  Also, Josh has the cutest little butt in professional politics.
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Based almost solely on recommendations from this thread, I decided to try Sports Night for the first time, since both seasons are on Netflix. And holy poo poo it's good. Like, really good. Characters are great, chemistry is spot on, and the writing is exactly the Sorkin fix I need. (Newsroom is good, but once a week, so not enough.) I'm kind of mad at myself for not watching this when it was on. The laugh track though. drat is this bad. So out of place. But what's funny is that you can tell they're slowly phasing it out. Each episode it's used less and less, and when it's used the volume on it is slowly going down. Hell, there's one or two episodes when it's not used at all, but is back one episode later. Also, am I wrong, or is there a MASH type thing where, when they're actually broadcasting, there's never a laugh track? Or have I just not noticed it? Anyway, the way they use laugh track is weird, is what I'm trying to say. But it's a great show, I love it. I'm only sad it's not going to take me much time to work through all 45 half hour episodes. Also, Robert Guillaume is amazing.
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Finished my re-watch. drat what a great ending. Makes me tear up every time
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TinTower posted:Imagine Joey and Marion Coatsworth-Haye introducing themselves, forever. I'M MARION COTESWORTH-HAYE!!! Seeing CJ try desperately to hold it together and eventually just crack up and stumble out of the room is priceless.
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Alter Ego posted:I'M MARION COTESWORTH-HAYE!!!
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| # ? Aug 8, 2012 18:34 |
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On the other side of the spectrum, I had forgotten entirely about this line, but damned if this isn't the best threat I've ever heard. It's not over the top, it's not ooh aren't I edgy, it's just perfect. I am so saying this to someone one day. Toby: I'm told that on my sunniest days I'm not that fun to be around. I wonder what's gonna happen when you make my children a part of your life. On the funny side, from that episode: Will: Who rides a bike to work when there's going to be a foot and a half of snow? Toby: These are all good questions.
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thrawn527 posted:Based almost solely on recommendations from this thread, I decided to try Sports Night for the first time, since both seasons are on Netflix. And holy poo poo it's good. Like, really good. Characters are great, chemistry is spot on, and the writing is exactly the Sorkin fix I need. (Newsroom is good, but once a week, so not enough.) I'm kind of mad at myself for not watching this when it was on. Well, Sorkin didn't want the laugh track and ABC insisted. That's why you can hear it slowly fading away as season 1 goes on. It goes away completely at the start of the season 2.
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Man, the Babish/Abbey exchange in Gone Quiet is so great. "I read La Mooooooonde, was it in La Moooonde?" "I don't know, I don't read La Monde." "...pity."
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HorseHeadBed posted:Was certain that it was going to be this:
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Kloaked00 posted:On the Santos / Vinnick election day episode. Wow there's a lot of sex in this one Hey, my hat's off to the writers for holding off on Josh and Donna for 6 1/2 seasons. Kudos (and muffins...and bagels...to them).
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Josh Lyman posted:Did someone say my name? Every time I see that scene, without fail, I crack up laughing. It's the little dance he does in the background, followed by the flourish. I just can't hold it together, it's my Marion Coatesworth-Haye. Also, Ainsley's ERA argument makes me roll my eyes so hard I actually think I've had a stroke. Though Mulready's affirmative action argument (however briefly articulated) is a really good point that never, ever gets brought up in actual discussions of policy. Basically the actual politics of the show are all over the place in terms of cohesion.
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All of Ainsley's arguments are stupid. Even though most of them are worded/delivered to make her look like she was right or 'holding her own' it's all superficial horse poo poo and I can only think Sorkin did it on purpose. Her ERA logic is only more hilarious when judged by today's republican attitude towards women. 298298 fucked around with this message at Aug 10, 2012 around 12:48 |
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298298 posted:All of Ainsley's arguments are stupid. Even though most of them are worded/delivered to make her look like she was right or 'holding her own' it's all superficial horse poo poo and I can only think Sorkin did it on purpose.
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Josh Lyman posted:I'm gonna say that conservatives of 15 years ago would find today's Republican party quite abhorrent. Conservatives of 15 years ago like Newt Gingrich?
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gohuskies posted:Conservatives of 15 years ago like Newt Gingrich?
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Stupid exchanges. Joe Quincy didn't sign his security questionaire. This exchange resulted. JOSH Why haven't you signed the questionnaire? JOE Because I can't. JOSH [realizing] You lied on it? JOE Yeah. JOSH Which question? JOE Number 75, "Have you ever done anything that would reflect poorly on the President?" JOSH What'd you do? JOE I didn't vote for him. --- Oh my god, how stupid is that? If we're going to treat him like a real person, then you have to assume he didn't sign it because he thought having a noble and classy moment like that would give him a leg up in the interview, otherwise why would you possibly think that that is worthy of not signing a simple questionnaire? Joe Quincy, shut the gently caress up. Also, Ainsley's ERA argument is perfectly fine and we should probably start enforcing the 14th amendment. MC Fruit Stripe fucked around with this message at Aug 10, 2012 around 21:01 |
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MC Fruit Stripe posted:Stupid exchanges. Sorkin's conservatives tend to be a bit more likeable than real ones.
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MC Fruit Stripe posted:Also, Ainsley's ERA argument is perfectly fine and we should probably start enforcing the 14th amendment.
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MC Fruit Stripe posted:Also, Ainsley's ERA argument is perfectly fine and we should probably start enforcing the 14th amendment.
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cams posted:Yeah, I've always felt that Ainsley had a good point, though I have limited knowledge of the ERA. Is there something in particular that would distinguish it from the 14th?
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Josh Lyman posted:Missouri apparently felt it necessary to pass an amendment that's essentially freedom of religion. They helpfully explained that was to prevent schoolchildren from being forced to kneel and bow while facing East five times a day. Because that's apparently a problem facing Missouri these days.
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Joementum posted:They helpfully explained that was to prevent schoolchildren from being forced to kneel and bow while facing East five times a day. Sharia law is right around the corner. Didn't you know that?
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myron cope posted:Sharia law is right around the corner. Didn't you know that? I know how to solve this problem: an hour long TV show where two guys explain the historical divisions between Jews and Muslims in a cafeteria!
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cams posted:Yeah, I've always felt that Ainsley had a good point, though I have limited knowledge of the ERA. Is there something in particular that would distinguish it from the 14th? Her 'point' is ideological bullshit. "I'm already a full citizen and don't need government regulation to tell me I am" is her main crux and considering the blatant disregard for which women were treated during the ERA's birth and still are today having a final document specifically pointing out that women shall not be treated as second class citizens would have been and likely still would be infinitely helpful to the cause of women's rights, if not only for the extra clause to challenge virtually every court ruling on. It's also a subtle way for white republican women to differentiate themselves from minorities, because "oh *I'm* a white woman and don't need constitutional protection leave that to all the inferior blacks". If you want a modern equivalent to Ainsley you only need to look as far as Ann Coulter. She eats up every republican talking point and spouts it back out facts be damned, including supporting the repeal of the Equal Pay Act which is something Ainsley also all but says she supports in the exact same argument with Sam. edit: Forgot to mention that Ainsley actually uses the exact same argument as Coulter does for the EPA. Women aren't paid less because they're women, it's because they choose to be paid less so they can have children. 298298 fucked around with this message at Aug 11, 2012 around 01:50 |
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The problem with Ainsley's argument is, you know, history before the ERA. Why do you need more than the 14th amendment? Well, because back in the day they didn't used to let you vote.
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Josh Lyman posted:I'm gonna say that conservatives of 15 years ago would find today's Republican party quite abhorrent. Considering that Paul Ryan (of "kill Medicare" fame, currently rumored to be Romney's VP pick) was serving his first term when the West Wing premiered, I'm not sure that bears out as much as you think. The GOP of the 1990s was well on the way to being the GOP of today, there were just fewer Hispanics to kick around. Also, not to pile on, but the problem with Ainsley's facile "I don't need white men to tell me I have rights" argument is that the ERA came up because the Fourteenth Amendment wasn't getting it done. It's in keeping with the West Wing's fundamental naivete, but the unquestioned assumption that the government's isn't still in the business of loving over people who aren't white men makes a lot of these arguments ring hollow. There's also a huge difference between "equal protection of the law" and "shall not discriminate," to say nothing of actually correcting imbalances, assuming (as the ERA's draft text had) a Section 5 analogue.
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This is a place where some work is done, this is a place, this is a place, let me say this: this is not a place where one's personal things, where things among people. This is not a place. This is a place where work is done! And nothing else!
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Anyone know why most of the WW cast (Brad Whitford, Josh Malina, Allison Janney, Martin Sheen, Richard Schiff) was hanging out together yesterday? They were tweeting about it but none of them said what they were up to...
AllisonByProxy fucked around with this message at Aug 12, 2012 around 19:47 |
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AllisonByProxy posted:Anyone know why most of the WW cast (Brad Whitford, Josh Malina, Allison Janney, Martin Sheen, Richard Schiff) was hanging out together yesterday? They were tweeting about it but none of them said what they were up to... Schiff mentioned something about a PSA in one of the tweets. Might be some election season activism PSA?
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The Warszawa posted:Considering that Paul Ryan (of "kill Medicare" fame, currently rumored to be Romney's VP pick) was serving his first term when the West Wing premiered, I'm not sure that bears out as much as you think. The GOP of the 1990s was well on the way to being the GOP of today, there were just fewer Hispanics to kick around. Yeah, the current political climate was first sown in 90 when the gang of five were elected, the one of which still in office is Boehner. They hated the idea of actually working with democrats on anything and started partisan screaming matches almost immediately. The shift in tone was as big as in 2010 when tea party candidates came in.
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I'm doing a rewatch, and I'll be damned if the basketball pre-credit scene isn't one of the best (can't find the video) Josh Lyman: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Who's this? President Josiah Bartlet: I'm making a substitution. Toby Ziegler: Who is this guy? President Josiah Bartlet: Mr. Grant's a new member of my team. Toby Ziegler: A ringer, perhaps? President Josiah Bartlet: Mr. Grant is a federal employee. [Mr. Grant is played by real-life NBA forward Juwan Howard] Toby Ziegler: You know the thing about you, Mr. President? It isn't so much that you cheat. It's how brazenly bad you are at it. President Josiah Bartlet: I beg your pardon? Josh Lyman: Toby's got a point there, sir. President Josiah Bartlet: When have I ever cheated? Toby Ziegler: Up in Florida, playing mixed doubles with me and C.J. You tried to tell us that your partner worked at the American consulate in Vienna. President Josiah Bartlet: And she did. Toby Ziegler: It was Steffi Graf, sir. President Josiah Bartlet: Well, I will admit that the woman bore a striking resemblance... Toby Ziegler: It was Steffi Graf, you crazy lunatic! You think I'm not going to recognize Steffi Graf when she's serving a tennis ball at me? also cements Toby as the best character and makes me laugh a lot Schiff's delivery of "It was Steffi Graf, you crazy lunatic!" is perfect
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Being honest, I've never liked that scene. 1) Why did he have Mr. Grant sitting out the entire game only to sub him in for the last play? Bad team management. 2) Most importantly, Toby's yelling at the President the entire time about the better angels and blah blah who actually loving speaks to the President like that. At least when they had the argument about the President's father and about MS, they were alone, this is just Toby screaming at the President infront of everyone.
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MC Fruit Stripe posted:Being honest, I've never liked that scene. The context is totally different  They're just loving around playing basketball, not talking about important things
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Directorman posted:The context is totally different One of the best parts of WW to me is how the various characters interact with the President on most occasions, and then on more rare occasions they interact with Josiah Bartlet the human. The interplay between those types of dialogue was very well-executed, but Toby's was the best-written relationship, obviously. Edit: Wonder why I picked "Josiah" instead of "Jed" when I wrote that. 
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mdemone posted:One of the best parts of WW to me is how the various characters interact with the President on most occasions, and then on more rare occasions they interact with Josiah Bartlet the human. The interplay between those types of dialogue was very well-executed, but Toby's was the best-written relationship, obviously. Part of it was Toby's personality, to be sure, but a good part of it was that Toby was the only one besides Leo to be on the campaign from the start, when Bartlet was just a future also-ran. That begets a certain level of familiarity that I always found pretty earned.
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Toby could probably hold his own against real-life Juwan Howard, too.
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| # ? Aug 13, 2012 21:24 |
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That whole scene is great. I couldn't find a video either, but here's a full transcript, and if you've watched it as many times as I have, it'll be like you're right back there.
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Here's the scene http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aD2-b2_Wabg
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