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diphenhydramine
Jun 26, 2011

by Y Kant Ozma Post


quote:

NSFW thumbed for cock NSFW

http://i.imgur.com/rUecw.png

What works

This is the most graphic of graphic sociology so far. For those of you with delicate constitutions, give yourself a pat on the back for taking a deep breath and deciding to read the rest of this post without tossing it upon first glance.

This was published in 1976 in a book that is now out of print called The Bathroom by Alexander Kira, an architect and professor at Cornell. He was interested in the bathroom as a design challenge with an eye to the ergonomics of the fixtures and spaces commonly encountered in standard bathrooms, home to standard fixtures. The bathroom is not exactly a hotbed of design revolution so many of his ideas are not only still relevant, but still fresh. This particular diagram was used to help sort out how one might go about designing a urinal for women (if not a unisex urinal that could serve both women and men, not at the same time, though).

I usually find the use of photographs in information graphics to be superfluous. Generally, there is some graph about, say poverty or out of wedlock birth and the photograph paired with the graph takes a person and turns them into a token. The homeless man as icon of poverty; the mother and child (usually a woman of color) as icon of poignant nurturance. That sort of reductive photography has no place in information graphics. Quite frankly, I’d be happy never to see predictable, reductionist photography like that anywhere.

But in this case, Kira used a grid in the photo shoot turning the resulting photograph into an infographic. Did I mention that his ideas still seem fresh? With the grid, we have a much easier time making the visual comparison between trajectories of urine between women and men.

Imagine you are a urinal designer. Ask yourself: how would I use these diagrams to help me design a urinal that works for women? Realize that you would either pursue a trough strategy or, better, a urinal that women do not face. They could stand with their backs to it and bend forward like the woman in the third panel is doing. Of course, there are sartorial concerns. Backing up to a urinal works just fine if you are naked, like our urination model is. But what if she’s wearing clothing? That’s a different design challenge. I would be interested to see what would be possible by relocating pants’ zippers so that they open between the legs rather than in the front.

What needs work

I apologize that in some of these panels it is hard to see the stream of urine, which is a necessary piece of information. With the women, it’s pretty much straight down except when bent over at the waist. For the men, it is slightly in front of the body unless he is holding his penis in which case the trajectory is quite a bit in front of him — it leaves the photographic frame.

Somebody fucked around with this message at Jul 16, 2011 around 16:27

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Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001



Yeah I don't think you can call that a successful and useful representation of information because without all that back story the only thing you can take away from it is that somebody spent a lot of time photographing a dude peeing on the floor/his feet.

Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004

Congratulations on not getting fit in 2011!

Third World Reggin posted:

As one of those people, and friends with quite a few others, I can help with that. There is some shame felt as being unemployed. What ever politics has done to say that unemployed people are leeches, it has worked. The people I know who can't find jobs tend to blame their selves as well as the economy. They also tend to blame only one political party instead of both.

Also, it is kinda hard to get together and riot when you got no money.

Shame and fear. At least for me, I'm more worried about where next month's rent, gas to get me to any job opportunity that may come up, or even food are coming from, not so much politics.

Liquid Communism fucked around with this message at Jul 16, 2011 around 10:08

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Liquid Communism posted:

Shame and fear. At least for me, I'm more worried about where next month's rent, gas to get me to any job opportunity that may come up, or even food are coming from, not so much politics.

To point out the obvious, the thing is that the causes of all those worries are directly linked to politics.

Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004

Congratulations on not getting fit in 2011!

Cerebral Bore posted:

To point out the obvious, the thing is that the causes of all those worries are directly linked to politics.

Very true, but not exactly much to be done about it when the real and present worries are a lot more pressing than knowing who to vote against next election cycle.

That's the point, really. Interest in the political process requires a stable enough lifestyle to be able to concentrate on something that isn't keeping food on the table and a roof over your head.

I'm in a rare situation for the jobless, as I haven't been out of work long enough yet to loose -all- my luxuries, so I can still bitch about it on the Internet.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Liquid Communism posted:

Very true, but not exactly much to be done about it when the real and present worries are a lot more pressing than knowing who to vote against next election cycle.

That's the point, really. Interest in the political process requires a stable enough lifestyle to be able to concentrate on something that isn't keeping food on the table and a roof over your head.

I'm in a rare situation for the jobless, as I haven't been out of work long enough yet to loose -all- my luxuries, so I can still bitch about it on the Internet.

thingsthatrichpeoplewantyoutobelieve.txt

Because you know what? There really isn't any wealth barrier to political participation. Back in the 19th century workers with far shittier living conditions than even the unemployed today managed to organize and fight for a better life. The idea that there's some magical catch-22 stopping the poor from participating in the political process is a big lie that's constantly hammered in by those in power, and they do it for a reason.

Those real and present worries will always be hovering over the shoulder of regular people, including you, if the political system remains as it is. Now I'm not saying that you should starve to death for the cause, but always do what you can politically, or your long-term prospects are pretty loving grim.

Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004

Congratulations on not getting fit in 2011!

Cool, so any tips that I should be acting on to make some kind of difference, given a lack of employment, transportation, capital, healthcare, or prospects?

I'm all about being proactive, but the best I've got is to be educated about what's going on, and try to convince others to do the same, because my local reps don't exactly have much reason to listen to poor white trash like me and I don't exactly have a lot of time to not spend finding a job.

diphenhydramine
Jun 26, 2011

by Y Kant Ozma Post




JewKiller 3000
Nov 28, 2006

ASK ME HOW I FEEL ABOUT NIKOLAI FUCKHARIN'S POSTING

Deleuzionist posted:

Gas this unreadable monstrosity, start a new one with a reasonable amount of images per page.

Orange Sunshine
May 10, 2011


Deleuzionist posted:

Gas this unreadable monstrosity, start a new one with a reasonable amount of images per page.

Yeah, whoever posted that vast amount of images in one message killed the page for me. My computer's 2 gigs of RAM are apparently not enough to deal with it.

Xandu
Feb 19, 2006


It's hard to be humble when you're as great as I am.

Well now we're on the second page, so just deal with it. And in the future, let's keep the number of images to 2-3 per post.

NoNotTheMindProbe
Aug 9, 2010




NoNotTheMindProbe fucked around with this message at Jul 17, 2011 around 05:15

Aliquid
Mar 4, 2005


I really can't view the first page, it's only for more privileged persons than me.

Aliquid fucked around with this message at Jul 17, 2011 around 05:27

FRINGE
May 23, 2003


Aliquid posted:

yo i have like half a gig of ram and if anyone suggests i upgrade my computer to view the first page they're a classist gently caress
Im sorry sir but the thread for your kind of people is over there.

diphenhydramine
Jun 26, 2011

by Y Kant Ozma Post


NoNotTheMindProbe posted:



2banks1swap.avi
Jan 21, 2011

turbotax geithner


diphenhydramine posted:



lmfao

Anosmoman
Jun 15, 2006



Please rise for Colin Chart!

2banks1swap.avi
Jan 21, 2011

turbotax geithner


Anosmoman posted:

Please rise for Colin Chart!


What the gently caress is that.

How can you read it.

FRINGE
May 23, 2003


Anosmoman posted:

Please rise for Colin Chart!



I know emoticon replies are "bad", but really thats just the most appropriate thing.

coffeetable
Feb 5, 2006


Anosmoman posted:

Please rise for Colin Chart!


And this is why economists aren't allowed near graphing paper.

synftw
Jun 14, 2007
Chaos-Gnostic Satanist

This has always baffled me and people's geographic explanations have always seemed inadequate. Now I know!

Third World Reggin
May 19, 2008

drugs are bad tho


ufarn
May 30, 2009


synftw posted:

This has always baffled me and people's geographic explanations have always seemed inadequate. Now I know!


As a non-American, I find this chart genuinely useful.

Now I just need to understand what exactly root beer is.

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001



ufarn posted:

As a non-American, I find this chart genuinely useful.

Now I just need to understand what exactly root beer is.

Its a sweet/medicinal tasting soft drink traditionally brewed from Sassafras tree bark and roots.

Then they found out that Sassafras can give you liver cancer so they replicated the taste through a combination of vanilla, wintergreen, cherry bark, and a bunch of other flavors.

It's a really really good soda but most mass produced canned/plastic-bottled commercial brands are terrible/unremarkable. Usually if it is sold in a glass bottle by a company you've never heard of then you are going to like it.

2banks1swap.avi
Jan 21, 2011

turbotax geithner


coffeetable posted:

And this is why economists aren't allowed near graphing paper.

I'm still trying to figure out how the gently caress that could be read or graphed or interpreted.

post
Mar 22, 2010


I'm pretty sure it's about the ratios of different economic sectors over time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_sector

2banks1swap.avi
Jan 21, 2011

turbotax geithner


post posted:

I'm pretty sure it's about the ratios of different economic sectors over time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_sector

Yes but it's clearly not a single function. How to read it with only ONE intersection is hard too.

1337JiveTurkey
Feb 17, 2005

Baby, I'm hot, just like your oven...

Third World Reggin posted:



If there's one chart that everyone in the US really needs to see with some explanation of what it means for them, it's this.

Max22
Dec 8, 2007

Oops.


Does anyone have the graph from the original LF thread that was something like, "Students' perceived grade on exams VS. Students' actual grade on exams"?

TFNC
May 8, 2007

^^^^Capitalism^^^^

Darth Windu
Mar 17, 2009



1337JiveTurkey posted:

If there's one chart that everyone in the US really needs to see with some explanation of what it means for them, it's this.

It seems pretty self-explanatory.

FRINGE
May 23, 2003


Darth Windu posted:

It seems pretty self-explanatory.
You dont ever talk to 'normal people' about econ/politics do you?

Boing
Jul 12, 2005

trapped in custom title factory, send help

TFNC posted:



This is really fascinating. I love the little Socratic dip in the 3rd quartile

Ograbme
Jul 26, 2003

D--n it, how he nicks 'em

Third World Reggin posted:


Even rich people think they have too much wealth

oxbrain
Aug 18, 2005

Race it until the wheels come off, then keep going.

Ograbme posted:

Even rich people think they have too much wealth

There are a lot of people making over $100k who consider themselves middle class.

man thats gross
Sep 4, 2004


oxbrain posted:

There are a lot of people making over $100k who consider themselves middle class.

Between my fiancee and I we clear about $110k annually (pre-tax). It's really hard to consider yourself upper-class when you live with a partner in a rented one-bedroom sub-700-sq-ft apartment and have less than $40k in equity and no automobile. But that's the Toronto real estate market for you!

Regardless of whether you agree or disagree with my self-assessment, I whole-heartedly agree that wealth distribution should be more equitable, and fully support increased funding for social services. If it weren't for the women's shelter that took my mother, myself, and my brother in, and if it weren't for the welfare cheques she received for ~3 months (my memory of those years is a little fuzzy) after we moved out, or the child benefit money she received once she started working, I doubt I'd be doing as well as I am today.

I benefited a lot from social services. It would be hypocritical of me to denounce them now that I don't benefit from them anymore.

Node
May 20, 2001



man thats gross posted:

I benefited a lot from social services. It would be hypocritical of me to denounce them now that I don't benefit from them anymore.

Oh come on, kick the ladder out from under you. It's the American way.

Darth Windu
Mar 17, 2009



FRINGE posted:

You dont ever talk to 'normal people' about econ/politics do you?

I don't understand how you could explain it more succinctly than the title itself. Honestly, what else could you add to that graph to make it clearer? If someone looks at that and doesn't understand what it is saying, I don't know that anything could help them do so.

Amarkov
Jun 21, 2010


Darth Windu posted:

I don't understand how you could explain it more succinctly than the title itself. Honestly, what else could you add to that graph to make it clearer? If someone looks at that and doesn't understand what it is saying, I don't know that anything could help them do so.

Well, I tried it out. It turns out that, at least in one case, you have to explain what it means that the purple and light blue bars aren't there at the top.

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LorneReams
Jun 27, 2003
I'm bizarre

man thats gross posted:

Between my fiancee and I we clear about $110k annually (pre-tax).

I don't think he was talking about households, but actual personal income. Unless you mean 110K each...

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